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Ur imagination is so fertile nd warped

@op u meant it as a joke but now see...i wish i could put dettol in ur tea, if i don't take care of u, who will?

@op u prolly asked this question cos u want to deny ur inherent chicken nature. If i hearrr

D chicken crossed d road cos d road is perpendicular to d chicken...period!

olawuyitoba: The chicken crossed the road to get to the other side!

to get to d other side? U've come again with this u pple's d other side...gay guys...abegi!

Let me reserve this space...brb

I've met killz and spike c. I'll like to meet mrs killz

My addictions?
I'm stuck with christ and i love the glue.
I love tea.
I'm addicted to novels.
Above all, i'm addicted to learning

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I think he means Adam not having the knowledge of good and evil before eating the forbidden fruit[/quote]ok

@ihedi u said adam was born morally neutral...can u explain

[quote author=Mr_Anony]13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Cor 3:13-15

Basically, The question presented here is if we are saved by God's grace, why then are our works tested at all. Why are we rewarded for works too. Shouldn't grace just be the common denominator irrespective of works?

My offhanded explanation is that God is madly in love with us so that even after He gives us grace we don't deserve, He rewards us for works on top.
Crazy Crazy Love by a Crazy Crazy God. God is just too much.

(blasphemy alert: please note that 'crazy' here is used in a good way)

Now that I have shown my excitement, let us now seriously use the scripture to ponder over it. I await your insights on the matter.

P/s: The Bible is the final authority on this Issue.[/quote]i'm stuck with christ and i'm loooooving d glue!

Marriage is not an end...
Changing no.after marriage should be what she wants nd not what he wants. D only thing dt could lead to my changing no.is if i married a top man in d society, then i'll do dt for security purposes not for ex or present admirers. Btw, i'll still want to be chased after marriage :-) but d thing is dt i get to sleep with only him till death do us part...aside this, admirers r welcome.

Ubenedictus: actually it isnt only the catholic church and lata day saints that pray to the ''dead". All the churches that existed before 1500 pray to the ''dead'' and high anglicans and jews do the same. To talk about pray to the ''dead'' is insultive to a catholics becos the bible makes it clear that there are no "dead" in christ. If you 'left this word' a xtain then you are alive in christ you are not dead you are alive, infact you have an abundance of life. If you are a big fan of christain history then you have probably heard about the apostles creed the last part says ''i believe in the holy spirit, the holy catholic church the communion of saints the forgiveness of sins the resurrection of d body and life everlasting''. The phase i want talk about is 'the communion of saints' if you read you bible well you will find out that the saint are *believer on earth *those in heaven *and those undergoing 'salvation by fire. The doctrine of d communion of saint say that the believer on earth, the saints in heaven and those 'going thru fire' are one body of christ, one church. Just the way the all parts of a human body help each other, so must the part of christ body so the believer on earth(militant), in heaven(glorious) and those going thru purgation are in communion. That mean in christ well have access to one another even those who have left this world. Just the way a protestant can ask his pastor to pray for him a catholic can ask the saint and angels and humans to pray for him since they are all brethren in christ, a catholic can also pray directly to God. That is the almost complete doctrine of the communion of saints. The last part of the doctrine is purgatory after reading these passages of scripture and the witness of the apostles the early xtains also believed that some sins can be forgiven in the other world. The state or place of in which such sin are dealt with is call purgatory. To be continued.

u missed something in my post. I wasn't referring to praying 'to' but 'for' the dead. They differ.
R u in essence saying there's such thing as purgatory?

*enters* winks @ anony nd mouths 'hey 'sup?
@ihedi easy o with bro jo...
I enjoyed d different contributions...
So conclusively...if there's any word like dt...a spirit filled christian can't be possessed huh? Things happening around me say opposite, well i'll study more on it till i'm convinced, for now i think d probability of a christian being possessed is unity until otherwise convinced. Nice thread

I'm awaiting sexkillz's response...

bennyraz: A little BD$M + more attention + more PDA's is Okay

what is bd§m

Tx. i'm glad u took ur time to explain, i'm cleared on dt.

Ihedinobi: Both of you, my brother and sister, have a very valid point. Permit me to use an analogy to address the issue.

Imagine three students all tasked with the same calculus problem. Student A has never ever seen calculus before, Student B has seen calculus but has never been taught how to deal with it, and Student C has seen calculus and been taught its principles and how to deal with its various problems. All of them have one thing in common: they know algebra. Now, if all of them got the answer to the problem wrong, which one will have really been said to have failed at the problem?

I imagine that your answer would be, in fairness, Student C. There is no question as to their, all of them, getting it wrong, but the first two did not fail because there could not rightly be expectation of them considering the limits of their ability.

This translates thus: that whether or not a child of God could be said to have sinned is dependent on the degree of their growth/development in Christ. A sin committed due to ignorance that it is a sin cannot fairly be called a sin, and a sin committed in ignorance of a way of escape also cannot fairly be called a sin. But because a Christian is one in whom the Nature of Jesus Christ dwells, there is that in him which says, "there's something very wrong here" when either he commits a sin unwitting or he commits a sin ignorant of how to avoid it. That thing makes him go seeking to either know for sure God's moral evaluation of the act involved or how to escape it. The failure to do either is that which is refered to as SIN in the passages pointed out by Mr Anony. And that failure is impossible to a child of God. Another failure impossible to the child of God is that which is on the order of that of Student C's. A child of God who knows that such and such a thing is a sin and that this and that is how to escape it will not commit that sin.

However, ignorance or not, the moral value of the act remains the same. Those first two students did in fact fail and for that failure their teacher, if they are submitted to the government of one, is responsible. Here, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit become manifest.

For a child of God (and for the whole world as well, the difference is that the child of God believes it and accepts it as the bedrock of his life and fate with God), Jesus Christ has assumed full responsibility for all his failure before God. This means that the child of God has his failure fully covered by Jesus Christ before the God of all the earth. When he sins, God's Judgment is answered by Jesus Christ's advocacy. This is the power of the Blood of Jesus toward God for us. But that is only one side, there is another: the Christian.

The Holy Spirit is tasked with taking the Christian and making of him that which is in utter agreement with the Nature and Character of Jesus Christ. So when the Christian sins, his Teacher within (the Holy Spirit of God) promptly says, "not so, this is not Christ" causing him that anguish of heart that we call repentance for it works out to "how, Lord? How shall I escape?" This response leads to the child of God entering into Christ's victory over the sin in question. None but the child of God has this charascteristic. It is how they are known.

What I have attempted to do here is reconcile those passages. There is one final thing to do and it is to tell you, ATMC, directly and most assuredly that there is no salvation by works. The works linked to salvation are those produced because we are, NOT for us to be, saved. Fornicators et al shall not enter the Kingdom [b]not because they commit fornication etc but because THEY THEMSELVES ARE fornicators et al. The believer might fail in some point or other, but his failure is fully covered and accounted for. Besides, he cannot remain in sin because he carries the Nature of the Holy One.

sound! I agree with u on so many things u said but these two- ignorance of calculus (sin) doesn't make it not to be wrong...saul was doing d wrong thing thinking it was right. Again, if its accounted to jesus every wrong committed by a christian cos of jesus' advocacy, then we could live anyhow we want nd get away with it afterall jesus died for d sins of d whole world!
Salvation is not of works, d thief dt was crucified with jesus did nothing to earn being with christ in paradise. But there r labour of love nd works of faith nd i think dt these r very important. Only god knows how he'll judge. U made sound points in ur above posts but seriously there r different glories nd i believe dt d glory dt d person who lived a holy life while on earth can never be d same with dt of d person who lived anyhow knowing dt his sins r accounted to jesus...as a matter of factly, dt's my point.
By d way...paul, while trying to emphasise on resurrection in his letter to d corinthians, referred to their baptizing their dead...what thinketh thee about this?

@mr anony nd buzugee lol real hard!

@omotohdarajugbogbolo

[quote author=Mr_Anony]There is no way a person who has faith (by this I mean born-again and spirit-filled can commit sin) Perhaps if you like we can walk through what it means to be born-again:

If you don't mind, What do you understand by being born-again?[/quote]if there's no way a person who has faith in christ can sin then y did d bible talk about we having an advocate with d father if any one sins nd also forgiveness.
Moreover i understand being born again to be born of d spirit, having my old man put to death nd d new man come alive in christ.
Most of d follow up letters dt were written by paul addressed living in sin. For instance his letters to d romans. I'm saying dt all it takes is not just faith in christ but our actions as well. Dt's y i asked whether one who dies in d course of a particular sin will make it. Some pple believe dt nd i wonder where they got dt from.

A christian can be possessed by a demon but before then he would have resisted d spirit. First of all a christian can be afflicted, influenced, obsessed nd finally possessed by a demon. Possession of a christian by a demon is not instantaneous rather it is progressive.

Again, what of d person dt had faith in god but died in d course of a certain sin...what's d person's fate seeing dt he had faith in christ?

Ihedinobi: One word of caution, dear sis. Our fate in eternity is not determined by sins we commit here but by our faith in Christ. If we believe in Him, His Righteousness is made over to us as ours. So, that you failed in one matter unknowingly or before a sudden death does not automatically disqualify you for Eternity with God.

In fact, when one has received the Life of Christ into their spirit, the constant fight with sin ought to come to an end. Forgiveness is already granted in Christ, by repentance we take hold of it. When we quit wrestling with sin and learn to live free in Christ, we'll find sinful tendencies steadily losing ground in us allowing us to pursue development with God, to know Him and His Ways. But as long as our eyes are trained on ourselves to ensure that we are utterly clean, we stagnate and our growth in grace is stunted. You have to believe that God's Power (that Nature or Spirit of God within you) is able to keep you from falling.

Therefore, I encourage you to stop worrying about what you did, have done or are doing that might be sin and keep your eyes trained on Jesus Christ to know Him and be made like Him.

if my fate in eternity is determined by my faith in christ nd not what i did, then y would my bible tell me dt liars, fornicators won't have a part in heaven?

@anikulapo i don't think jesus was poor at all...u noticed they cast lot over his cloth...dt must be designers. Teachings dt a christian must be rich is geared towards making christianity attractive...pple r into money so when u tell'em someone was poor so when they come on d scene they'll be rich, they turn around nd say really! Tell me more nd by dt d preacher gets a follower...lol. Prosperity is d bait

I get u properly...its per head, some of us may offend in a way without being aware, when such pass on, they r likely to obtain forgiveness in d world to come. Not like i'm trusting in dt but this makes me to think dt there is hope for god's children who made little mistake which i don't think can make them to miss out. So there's forgiveness even in d world to come. A bit relieved!

@topic apples r to be compared with apples. Oranges with oranges maka next time...jackie has fine features- sexy eyes, balanced nose, kiss-able lips, heart-shaped face like me plus good shape(remember she don born), fine legs, nd above all even toned complexion.
As for mercy, she has fine legs nd solid figure with good set of teeth but has jackie not all these nd more
Btw, a poll would have done justice to this thread.

Tx ye all but...
@ihedi While it may make sense to think that Jesus's saying that one sin of a grievous sort could never be forgiveneven in the world to come implies the possibility of sin in the world to come, it has no scriptural ground...
My point is not whether one can commit sin in d world to come rather whether d sins committed by a christian in this world can be forgiven him or her in d world to come
@ musKeeto: And this sin against the Holy Spirit? Is it still a mystery or as the Holy Spirit revealed it to anyone?
D sin against d holy spirit is not a mystery. D holy spirit came to bear witness of d son ie jesus...if one rejects jesus' witness of truth like d pharisees did, it shall be forgiven him in d world to come but if any reject d witnes of d spirit, of jesus, it wont be forgiven him in this world nd in d world to come...therefore a christian who has recieved jesus cannot commit d sin against d holy spirit.
I understand dt their wont be sin in d new world but i'm just begining to think dt maybe there is forgiveness of sin dt one committed while on earth in d world to come...so praying for a dead loved one to be forgiven is likely ok...just saying not sure anyway

ZUBY77: This is important to we drivers. Not telling us that Ini Edo is pregnant. Or announcing that Tonto Dike has promsed to stop smoking as if we care.

drivers r not d only ones on nl ok,