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Wilgrea7:
hello Sir... permit me to ask.... what's your faith/belief?.

Are your answers restricted to people of a particular faith?

GodsMopol:
Lemme first start by saying, sometime ago, I ran into a muslim Lady who came to pass the night in our house, and I never knew she was a muslim, she sings all our Christian song, but I was shocked to later know she was a Christian. She went to a school where you must attend the church and the mosque, I think she started seeing somethings better explained in the muslim path that she was not really clear about in the Christian line.

I believe many Christians sit in church everyday without knowing for a bit the reason they were there, and we see it as a pain when we are told to attend weekly services, whereas, the muslim parents would force their children to attend seminars and teaching classes everyday, to know the quran, but the Christian aspect, we want our children back home. Among the atheist, they are majorly Christians who does not understand and were never willing to understand, the Bible said, if the foundation be destroyed, what shall the righteous do.

I would just be proving points to you, and it won't make any sense to you, because you had a bad foundation. A foundation I believe God is working on, I so much believe on that, as per your questions, it still boils down to foundation. If you have been thought and you committed yourself to knowing the Bible at your tender age, you won't be swept easily with the wind of doctrine all over the place, you would stand your ground, so I think I would just back out, because if I say anything, it sure would fall on deaf ears.

Here is what Paul said about Timothy

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

From a child, bye

You mean I wasn't properly indoctrinated? Oh yes I was. It just takes a whole lot of will power to break off it. I actually expected you to try and refute my points, but?

Next time bro, try something better than 'no true scottsman,' it is stale. The funny thing is, adherents of other religions will most probably say the same in the defence of their faith too. My foundation was as strong as it could be but as you rightly noted, Christianity itself has a very weak foundation.

All it takes is for you to practice it with open-mindedness and actually use your brain, na dere wahala dey start. And I remember myself using exactly those words whenever I heard that people actually converted from Christianity to other religions, that is how sure I was.

Bros, make we leave mata for Mathias, it takes a brave man to actually consider the possibility that his religion may not be the right one, or the determination to study others with the same objectivity he would like others to study his (religion) own.

P.S.
Your god must really have a warped sense of priority to waste his time mending my foundation. Statistically, a child dies every four second around the world as a result of war, hunger or some form of disease. These seem like things your 'powerful and omnipotent' god should focus his attention on, not my supposedly bad foundation. Oh, I forgot, he is only powerful when it comes to mundane things like giving you a job, healing you from headache and all Whatnots. No vex me dis morning abeg.

GodsMopol:
Looool, contradiction you say, actually probably you take them out of contest, if you must understand a verse of the Bible, I would advise that you don't lift verses, but rather, try to understand the vain of thought, probably, you might later come to understand that, the more you look and study, the less you see until it all vanishes away, there are no contradiction in the Bible except that you engage in lifting verse without understanding the light that verse was used. Many muslims claim that too, n I have examine some and found out that, they engaged in mindless lifting and more differing opinion of writers, for instance, Matthew, mark, Luke and John.

Context is usually the escape button whenever you (Christians) are being called out on the many contradictions of the bible. Pray tell, how do you know when a verse is to be taken literally and when it should be understood in context?

Gen 1&2 is an embarrassment to the bible authors, how can you make such errors just two chapters into a book you intend to sell to the whole world? What about the inconsistencies with the characters of Yahweh?

How about the despicable many characters of his, vengeful, jealousy, murderer, racist, hateful, anger etc. Sounds like a real scum to me. At least gods are supposed to be better than the humans they created, but your Yahweh is made to look like some insecure puny human with self-esteem issues. Doesn't it bother you?

Google 'bible contradictions' and you will be embarrassed by the results. This is a book supposedly inspired by the maker of the universe. Very poor job.

GodsMopol:
I would like to remind you of this facts

Facts? There must be a new definition of that word. Or maybe there is a theistic version of the word.

FYI, I don't take the bible serious, why? Because its alleged divine inspiration can never be authenticated and therefore should be doubted on the basis of its many internal contradictions and outrageous claims.

Moreover, why should I take your holy book more serious when there are tens, if not hundreds of others in circulation, and better written too?

"We created the gods, it is only expected that we fight for them.$

They preach to us, threaten us, warn us and even promise to pray for us, why not allow your god do his job? isn't he/she/it supposed to be all powerful, I mean he created the whole universe, right?

oh, I forgot, he can't do shi.t. because he doesn't exist.

It was really difficult for her to admit. Doesn't take an Einstein to deduce from her earlier post that she thinks people should be blamed for their tragedies.

The boko-haram victims in the north east including the unfortunate victims of the Nigerian airforce misfire, victims of the Southern Kaduna massacre, victims of money rituals down south, young girls of age 5 and below who continuously suffered/suffers canal defilement, the family who had their home bugled and all their hard work carted away, the two young girls who were clubbed t.o death by a raving lunatic and so on and so forth. It is all their fault. They committed some very serious sins and are suffering from dear old karma.

At least according to Miss/Mrs. Sexina.

luvmijeje:
Your cup of tea. Believing in God is not a must. But don't force your opinions on other.

The irony is that your fellow Christians are the ones who needs this advice.

@O.P. You really tried, who wouldn't defend his father's honor when such is being threatened?

My observation is that you couldn't deny that yahwey did all those horrible things. I actually expected you to give us bible verses showing that Obinna lied against it, but you didn't/couldn't. Instead you tried to justify those acts.

I wonder how you justify the senseless murder of kids, babies and pregnant women. There is no justification for that. Yahwey, Hitler, Shekau, they all sound like synonyms to me.

The god-personality is simply a fiction of the imagination of barbaric stone age men who had little respect for human dignity and saw nothing wrong with senseless murder, rape, slavery and ethnic cleansing. Why anyone would try to justify such acts of barbarity is beyond my comprehension.

My roommate today actually said yahwey does as he pleases, no one dare questions him. Really disturbing that someone can rationalise this.

The bible is filled with so much shit I get irritated when another deluded Christian quotes it to me to prove the existence of their sky-dwelling fairy, Yahweh. Shame dey even catch me for them, because if my father did half of those horrible things, I would be the real devil's spawn not to disown him.

UyiIredia:
What do you mean by it doesn't end pretty. Is your life threatened or something?

Not really. Christians would rather pray that something tragic happen to you so that you can start believing in Yahweh. They wouldn't harm you physically. The debates usually end in ad hominems and ad baculums, annoys the crap outta me.

Attack my points, not my personality. Be intellectually honest, and most of all, avoid any form of fallacy. Most can't do these.

Very educative thread. When you used to be one of these fire-brand Christians before dumping religion, it can be hard concealing your state of unbelief.

My close relatives and almost all my friends know I'm no longer a Christian, but that is just it. I live in the north so I know what length people can go to prove the existence of their god. And me I neva wan die o. I have been involved in some pretty serious debate of recent and it usually doesn't end pretty.

I have decided to tone it down. No more debates, or arguments, at least for now. If possible, I will stop disclosing my atheism to people except I am absolutely sure I have nothing to lose.

Good evening.

fratermathy:
Tolerance is the key to harmony in life. Everyone must not subscribe to the same beliefs. Let us all live and let be. If everyone faced their business and practised their beliefs without imposing it on others or judging those of others, 90% of the prerequisites for world peace would have been attained. There is no room for intolerance and fundamentalism in this modern world. Atheism, Agnosticism, and other movements that refute, accept or modify the traditional concept of and belief in a Supreme Being are on the rise and Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Jews, Bahais, etc, must accept the reality and learn to live with one another.
I may not have been directly victimised by the lady in my story but many others have been. Churches and shrines are burnt daily, people are killed, properties are destroyed, etc, due to intolerance, victimisation and fanaticism in the world. It is time we suck it all up and put religious differences aside. We are humans first before anything else. Anyone that kills, victimises, destroys, etc, for any religion is nothing short of a criminal.

Can I borrow this sir?

I admire them, but getting underwears from "bend-down-select," that is a big fat NO.

Right infringement is an abnormal nomalcy in Nigeria. I am very careful when I engage in religious arguments in real life. Nigerians can be violent when they feel their religion is threatened, but the northerners are worse.

Next time you should go with an earphone, or those beats by dre kinda headset, works well in keeping out whatever trash may be going on in the bus. Secondly you should postpone your calls till you have alighted from the bus.

Peace.

larrybee2017:
You think miracle is for show? Think twice man. The fact that you have not had what you call encounter does not make Him anything less than God. You choose to belief he doesn't while others belief He does, but one thing you need to know is this, your breath explain His existence in grand style,with time you will understand me.
The day science will recreate and give life then you proof me wrong. However hell is real and so is heaven,you make a choice with what you choice to belief

Of course he is real. As real as superman and spiderman. And yes, miracle is for show. At least your prophet Elijah thinks so.

How else do we put this.
People with faith/belief in a god/gods get healed.
People without belief/faith in a god gets healed.
There are actually more people in both categories who don't get healed.
So how do we know what actually happened? By conducting an experiment. I have put out this challenge, I have two amputees, a lady without a womb, and several kurumas i.e. cripples. Those ones with severely deformed body parts, with many limbs missing and some dried beyond normal. Anyone ready to heal them should p.m., or quote this post. At least you guys can prove to us, once and for all that prayers actually works. Capisce?

joseph1013:
THE MARCH OF SCIENCE

If you read popular science magazines such as Scientific American or New Scientist, you'll know there is, week-after-week, an unending stream of discoveries from all branches of science. Such is the flood of new material, it's impossible to keep completely up-to-date.

*CORRECTION*

All branches of science except one; creation science. Uniquely, this branch of science has never added to its sum total of evidence, which remains at zero.

I think it is an insult on science to include it in the same sentence with creation. Fables, myths? More like it.

And you wonder why many theists are tagged gullible. Imagine how the op arrived at his conclusion.

EggPlant:
Chief sounds like you live in sokoto. This incident happened in my area in old airport.

Yes I do.

samdavjustin:
I feel u bro it can really frustrating especially when your family is religious. My own case to go church every Sunday dey tire me I would rather sleep or watch movies. I just dey play along

For those who can't, I advise they play along till they become independent. There is a plus to it if you attend these new-generation churches. Some not-too-crappy music, connection, and a host of sanctified pussies to play with.

We'll get there bro

samdavjustin:
Hahahahahaha the pastor wants to test his miracle magic on u. He should have prayed for himself wether he won't go blind

The thing vex me jare. He later asked me when I was coming back to his church (my old church), I told him squarely I don't do church again. He couldn't contain the surprise (cus I was a pastor then). He told me we'd meet later to talk, for my mind I be like "when I finish with this man, him go troway him bible."

realmindz:
Faith of a mustard seed they say.....

And for the end time signs, that is the most ridiculous Christian claim of all time.

Earth quakes and other natural disasters, war and diseases have always been since inception and shall continue to be.

your bible never ever predicted this age of technological advancement, man landing on the moon, space technology, rockets, Information technology, satellites, automobiles, etc

it's so obvious your bible was written by ancient cave men talking of dragons and chariots in end time..

That end time shit annoys the crap outta me. For fycks sake, wars, tragedies and all other Whatnots is as old as the history of man himself. Religion is really dangerous, it stops people from actually using their brain.
For example, when Jesus made that statement, Rome was busy expanding its empire all over the world. Before it was the Persian empire. Sometime ago it was Europe, right now, USA seems poised to take over. So how is that a prophecy? Whatever the heck that is.
Wake people. You have been scammed.

I just can't help but marvel at the level of their dishonesty. They keep making excuses for their god. It is clearly stated in the bible that whatever you ask in Jesus name shall be given. I know of many men of god whose faith are surely larger than a mustard seed. But they can't do jack. All the testimonies I keep hearing are healings from back pain, stomach pain, barrenness broken, miracle jobs, miracle visas and the likes.
Abeg these ones na miracle?

CatfishBilly:
Case number 6

Evidences are littered all over the place. There is no god anywhere who gives a Bleep about us. I have personally seen enough to come to this conclusion. I witnessed a mad man killed a pastor's wife, the pastor's daughter, his (mad man) own wife, and a friend to the pastor's daughter. This is after the pastor organised a night-vigil for the mad-man. Why didn't they take this man to a psychiatric hospital? Your guess is as good as mine.
My great uncle also told me of a pastor who was being strangled to death by a mad man he was praying for. Nigger broke his restraint and pounced on the pastor. Luckily for him, some of his members were around, they ran to his rescue, in the process killing the mad man.
My family is a very religious one, but they know my stance on issues such as this, the annoying thing is that when this sorta issue comes up, all they have for defense are Nollywood movies. I can't help but SMH. The good thing is that my youngest sibling is following in my footsep.

victorious001:
dear atheist, I refuse to continue with this disscusion, we've made up our mind as to where our faith will lead us.....goodluck

Faith is an interesting thing. Blinds us to reason and predisposes us to irrationality. I was expecting you to counter my claims, tell me I lied and that Yahweh is truely a benevolent god who didn't take any life unjustly, and outrightly condemned rape and slavery.

I wish you goodluck too with your father. I hope he doesn't decide to play a bet with Satan soon with your life. I'm sure you have read the story of job.

victorious001:
I can't change ur mindset about God dear but I'll advice u to love God so u would have eternal life. I pray ur faith and relationship with God wax stronger...

Ma'am, I don't believe in a god. I have no reason to. And if you are talking about the christian god, I can do better than a serial killer and a guy who sanctions rape and slavery. The concept of eternal life is simply a leash to keep folks from drifting away from religion.
One question: What makes your version of eternal life more real than many other versions of other religions?

If the abrahamic god is real, believe me, he'll be serving a long jail time for all the atrocities hr committed in the bible and quran.

Lex11:
Men are from the earth... "dust" (Gen 3:19) and our understanding is quite finite... So, unless one knows the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, one should be silent!

But know that GOD is good, GOD is love, GOD is abundantly merciful... astoundingly making provision to save/deliver many, many from evil/wrath, at such great cost to Himself (The Lord Jesus Christ)... we have no idea.

"The Lord is righteous in all His ways, Gracious in all His works. The Lord is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth." -
Psalm 145:17-18

"But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." - Matthew 5:44-45

The LORD reigns.

Are you talking of the same god who murdered innocent kids in Egypt? Who commanded and aided all those atrocities committed by the Israelites? The one who drowned the whole world?
Such a kind, good, just and loving god he is!

It is obvious prayer doesn't do shit. Anyone who wants to prove otherwise, I have two amputees, a wombless lady, and a lot of cripples, by cripple I mean those guys whose hands and legs have become dry and really deformed, not those cripples who wear socks and shoes. Anyone ready to heal them should pm me. And if you are sure your pastor can heal them, please reply quote this message.

realmindz:
Did u just claim "No where"?

Btw, long time no see winnero1

These guys will type anything just to defend their god.
Last month, my mom's pastor came to our place, he met me down with the flu and decided to pray for me. I just couldn't contain the amazement. This is a man who recently came back from Kaduna where his eyes were operated on. The irony.

Devices:
The reason is because they are losing more members day by day, simple as that.

That felt good didn't it? Keep living in delusion.