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If I was him I would not even think of moving 400k is a good pay I would be thinking to establish. I would set aside my fear what if "I loose the job" , I get fired, the company closed down, because all these things can also occur in developed countries every time. Trust me you also don't wanna be jobless in freezing Canada.

Eruditor:
Ok better. Now I can have a meaningful convo with you.

My advice to the person was based on how he was feeling. If he was certain about his decision, he would not have come here to ask for advice.

I can't remember the initial post and I am too lazy to re-read it but I remember he said he had a 4.0/5 in a Nigerian Uni and is unhappy with life because at 35 (and earning 400k) the person is not up to much especially since the company he works for is an indigenous servicing company.

In developed countries like Canada and US, 35 years is not too old for a new job or career. In Nigeria, being 25 now seems old. KPMG and PwC think you are too old at 26 and Shell and co say you should be younger than 30.

The oil sector is erratic and has experienced ups and downs. Whenever such happens, guess who suffers first? Servicing companies especially the indigenous ones. So he could be there and God forbid oil drops again to under $30 he could lose his job and struggle again to get a new one.

He is intelligent. A 4pter in a Nigerian school is intelligent enough and if he applies himself well in Canada he can do well in his MBA and get a good job. Hardwork pays in such countries. Someone I heard about earns $9000CAD per month working on a rig. He used to work in bank in Nigeria before but he quit and tested the waters over there and he is better for it.

I am not saying there would not be miraculous stories of people who had less than 100k and made it big in Nigeria. While most will be thieves who pilfered from govt coffers there would still be a minute few who made it legitimately but how many will they be compared to those in those countries I listed above?

That is why I recommended what I did.

Yes that's reality even if you didn't elaborate all the downs you went through in details. But you made it clear even going through the right channel first 2-3 years was tough and I'm clearly sure you know others who were in your shoes that are still struggling to be established.

Now be realistic read the below comment and tell me the kind of message the poster was trying to send to readers?


"A friend of mine went to Uni of California Davies for her MBA. This was in 2012. By 2014 she was done and got a job with Amazon in the US. She lives in Silicon Valley and earns $120k+ a year. Last year she acquired a 4-bedroom condo close to Igbuefon (Lekki Phase 1 axis) for over 25M and she has rented it out. LOL. She is working on a property over in the US which she plans to rent out too and she would do this later in the year."

Be sincere if you have a brother 35 years of age that earn 400k p/m that want to migrate to Canada what would be your advice to him?

Shege2000:
Hi,

I will be talking from experience here.

The day I got my landed immigrant visa to Canada was also the day I got an employment as a Financial Controller of an oil service company in Port Harcourt. The Salary and Benefits was about 5 times of what I was earning in one of the big 4 accounting firm in Nigeria, then. it was a very painful and agonizing decision for me. Leaving the known for unknown. But I determined to give a better life to my 2 weeks old daughter, then, and her future siblings.

After committing everything into God's hands, I took the decision to leave and come to Canada. The first two years was very rough but got a peaceful and focused life. I knew that if I stayed focus and envision where i wanted to be in 3-5 years, and with the grace and mercy of Almighty God, I could get to that level. Desire is to be a Chartered Accountant, which I already qualified for in Nigeria.

I pursued the vision, within 3 years of arriving in Canada. I passed my C.A exams and became a C.A. Six months after I qualified I got a job as an Assistant Controller with a big Multinational Company in Canada.

Today, all glory be to God. My coasts has been enlarged. My children have greater opportunities to pursue their various dreams. I am not saying Nigeria doesn't provides the same opportunities but one has advantage over the other. Security of life/property is very important.

Please pray about it and let God leads you in the right direction.

What I will advise you is that don't come here without having all the necessary documentations or visa. Coming to Canada with "assumptions" will lead you to difficult live.

Thanks

I'm not defending anybody and in all my postings never did I agree you can build a house for 400k naira.

The argument is if you have a 400k job back home and you are 35 years it is advisable to stick to it and think out of the box than traveling out for uncertainty.

Life is too short at 35.

Eruditor:
Instead of all these piffle above you cannot refute the fact that someone who earns $120k a year can afford $60k to purchase a property in Nigeria. You cannot argue with the fact that someone who finished her MBA in 2014 could get a job with Amazon and earn that high. You cannot even refute the fact that someone who got in 2012, got work 2014 can be a greencardholder by 2017.

The only thing you have working for you is your delusion that I painted a rosy story about the US yet you are defending a charlatan who claimed he built houses with 400k. To you, such a person is not selling a false reality about Nigeria.

Well done.

No I'm against feeding false information your writes up sounds too good to be true and could mislead others from reality.

No doubt america is a great country if you have paper to work and reside legally. But you painted it so easy as A,B,C and your stories were made on base you "heard" and it pointed out no facts that's misleading.

Eruditor:
LOL see all the stupid questions you are asking me because you find it astonishing that someone with an MBA from a good school in California could afford to shell out $60k for a property in Nigeria but are only a hare's breath short of declaring your loyalty to someone else who claimed he built houses with 400k a month?

She had h1b visa for how long before being granted green card? Remember that person traveled 2012 on student visa I assumed. Got a job in 2014 her employer filed for h1b she got it so tell me when did she acquired green card.

Because you must have had h1b for 6 years before applying for green card (permanent resident) so if she got her hb1 in 2014 she could only qualify for green card after 6 years by (2020).

Eruditor:
Hope you know that 25M was about $60k in 2016. Keep acting surprised.

BTW she is a green card holder as we speak. Her company filed H1B for her and she got it.

That's true but let me assume that person is not a citizen yet but a temporary resident using work permit.

There is a criteria and requirement for these set of people against citizens before giving credit to them according to their credit bureau terms and condition there so this particular person might be earning 10k p/m there will have to calculate and minus other maintenances like tax,
rent, transport, feeding, utility, know the number of dependant before concluding if you qualify and additional they will review your work contract, how long you have had your bank account, check your credit history, how long you have been in the country.

So someone who migrated for studies and then got a job of 10k p/m immediately upon graduation and 2 years later could qualify for 120k loan or was able to save 24 million naira sounds like a MIRACLE / FAIRYTALE stories. (That means in the space of 5 years she was able to sort out immigration issues, get a 10k job and have a very good credit score to qualify for such loan/credit) very astonishing.

Fusion23:
There is loan , the credit system abroad works well it is what we call gbese in Nigeria but it helps cos the interest is low,
now if she earns like 120K a year , her financial institution can lend her up to 250K or more and she pays back small small with reasonable interest.

2014 to 2016 she could save 25 million naira under 2 years na so America easy reach?? Tell me more please.

Eruditor:
You are just bloviating. A medical doctor in the US bought 2 plots of land in Royal Garden Estate in Ajah for 40M a plot in 2013. Today that same plot goes for 55M up. He is one of 4 Medical doctors I know from the US who purchased property from that same estate. How many Nigerian Doctors can afford it?

A friend of mine went to Uni of California Davies for her MBA. This was in 2012. By 2014 she was done and got a job with Amazon in the US. She lives in Silicon Valley and earns $120k+ a year. Last year she acquired a 4-bedroom condo close to Igbuefon (Lekki Phase 1 axis) for over 25M and she has rented it out. LOL. She is working on a property over in the US which she plans to rent out too and she would do this later in the year.

You have property? You earn 400k? LOL. Stop talking like a child. I can deluge this thread with stories of people I know over in US and Canada who came back and purchased properties that they have rented out and guess what? Most of them are borderline average in the US but seem to be giants in Nigeria because of the exchange rate.

Keep seeing life from one viewpoint and be arguing like you have it figured out. People who earn 1.5M a month in Shell and Total are still trying to relocate to Canada and someone earning 800k in 2021 thinks he is a big boy. It will shock him.

Yes I reside in south Africa, I migrated at the age of 21 and that was 8 years ago. I have friends all over the world and I really know what is up. Additional our problem in Nigeria is not corruption "IT OUR ORIENTATION AND IMAGINATION we really need to find a way to change that " THIS IS OUR HOME WE MUST BUILD IT AND DIE FOR IT"

Fusion23:
hmmm you have a good point, but please do you live abroad ? the way you talk like you are so sure its not just black and white,
I think the most important thing is planning its sad for a bank manager in Nigeria to come abroad and work as a customer care that is downgrading,

But if you making 400K monthly in Nigeria and you are good , you might make like 3m naira here per month before tax,

so my advise is on the most important point you made , certainty or uncertainty so the person can plan very well and do a research on his chances, but what is certain is also quality of life for his children thou abroad is not roses at all.

We keep deceiving ourselves in Nigeria, I know quite a few people in this guys shoes that will end up spending over 10K dollars to give birth to a child in the USA just cause of the uncertainty of Nigeria. And am just shell shocked.

I dont even regret making the move thou am much younger and a lot of people i met older than this guy worked in bank for 7 years say the same

People forget the reality of life. Doing calculation that is not realistic. Count yourself lucky if you earn lucrative wages for straight 5 or more years in foreign land or even at your home country. Life is not like that! You cannot budget or predict what will happen in the future.

No young-man

ApexTitan:
That's a lame cop out, defend the points you raised. Explain how the OP can do all the things you listed so that we can weigh if there is any merit in the position you have taken.

Thank you. Sorry no offence I will never try to answer your questions reason being YOU WILL NEVER TRY TO COMPREHEND.

keni:
I currently live in Lagos planning to relocate outside the country

Before answering your questions I need you to answer this one question .... where do you reside?

keni:
1 Create employment as how? please expatiate.
2. Give family the best life? please explain
3. If you read from the beginning you would see most people are not saying its going to be easy easy but to be in an equitable environment where fairness and hardwork will see you through

The only reason to leave a job of 400K per month should only be IF YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER IN NIGERIA. At the age of 35 you are still willing to migrate and live your life for uncertainty. As a BLACK man and again a FOREIGNER in developed country (built by whites) If you like have PHD, PPD, BSC or whatever you call it you are still gonna have it very tough and you are still gonna prove yourself x3 for any position against the citizen and permanent resident.

At 35 with that income you should be thinking how to establish, create employment and give your family the best in life. Abroad drains energy physically and mentally from certification, to paper, to learning the culture (it takes years to adapt)

Abroad is not designed as a place to get everything easily it a place to live a simple and easy life and this takes lot of years working.

Like seriously 15000 is a poor money for foreigner living and working in south Africa Do you know how hard it is to even secure a job as a foreigner?

cosade:
Direct conversion of currencies could be very misleading, without looking at the relativity. That money is a poor salary for a foreigner with family, working and living in South Africa.

Asking questions or taking rootless action for answers ? quote author=OLAJADON post=55599601]For the first time I support fayose on this, we need to start asking questions, If we are to take this corruption fight serious[/quote]

chizzyconcept:
[color=][/color]Pls how much is visa fee for study permit.

South Africa doesn't worth all the stress you guys are going through. Visas, permit, accommodation, etc. I came to south Africa in 2008 and most of my peers have left because they just couldn't survive in the system. The truth about sa is that there are no jobs (forget your degree) especially if you didn't migrate from southern Africa. You will always stands out and treated differently that's just the plain truth. I learned in hard away and the experience broaden my orientation that life is easy and to always be satisfied with what you have. If you are coming to sa without good plans please don't try it (its better you go to US, Canada, Australia, where you can pick tomatoes on the farm and in few years you can afford to build a mansion back home). I have lived 8 years in sa I have valid asylum seeker since 2009 (use it to work, open bank account (FNB) study in unisa & pc training) i have work permit, I have lesotho passport and ID, I have a daughter citizen and I staying with my girl friend so paper is not problem. Without steeping into sa you can get work permit, permanent resident, Lesotho passport and ID if you have money why is because their officials are corrupt just like every other black African officials. But with all these papers getting a job is a miracle with your degree or not.

my co worker here in south africa lost 5000 rand app 120 000 to MMM i warned but he wouldnt listen. the fact is in this scheme there will always be a victim. bitcoin minning seems better!

euromilion:
Are sure that you know what you saying?
Advertising fraudulent biz on a social media,Bro that's not the smartest thing to do man.

im not forcing anyone to acquire the passport. im just sharing a very useful information to my fellow people who might need it just as how pakistani, somalis, ethiopian, indian help assist one another! im a refugee in sa and getting sa document is more harder than usa visa but i have lesotho passport for moving around. lesotho is a mountain inside south africa. lesotho passport will get you to isreal, japan, south korea, ireland, malaysia, visa free. it will bear your real name and place of birth as nigeria. if they ask you how did you get it tell them through neutralization!! as long as it original and on database who cares (my contact judeokel @ yahoo.com)

i reside in south africa and have a uncle in lesotho. holla me if you need lesotho passport to visit ireland as you want. it comes with ID fot just 400k naira!! it usually takes a month and fews weeks for issuance.

staggerlee:
I will give u an instance, a friend of mine came to do his MBA, he paid a whooping school fees of 3.2 mill, living expenses for another 1.5m for a year. Plane ticket, visa fees and all let's just say 400k. After his MBA, immigration laws changed he couldn't get a work permit, he wasted like 6 months he couldn't get a work permit. As at the time he was leaving for SA he was an ABO in a bank earning 235k a month, so he had no choice but to go back to naija, luckily his bank hired him back as an ABO, his colleagues had become BO some SBO. He spent close to 6m on an MBA and still came back to the same job. Imagine if he had bought a 6m car and put this into Uber and making 200k car on the car, don't u feel that is better than his MBA. His mates over took him.

Am not sure whether u realised that getting a permit in SA is so difficult now, when Gigaba took over the reins in 2014, DHA changed. As at the time I applied for my PR, 7 others applied that I know, I and my wife were the only one approved. Till today I count myself a miracle. If you are planning to stay after your PG in SA, its a tough one, SA people don't want us anymore, that's the plain truth. The economy of SA isn't smiling like before. As at the time I got here dollar was about 8 rands, now it is 14.32 (it got to 16 in dec)and is just getting better. Interest rate was less than 4% now it is 7%. Those tutor jobs don't pay your bills, maybe u earn at most 2.5k a month and its seasonal what happens to when underG's are on break?
You talk about tuition fees been free, how many non SA gets those tuition free now when SA people are shouting fees must fall. So if u get tuition fees free what happens to accommodation and feeding? Its still a lot of money. I was blessed to get my PR on a platter of gold and not 10% can be that lucky again.
Finally there is a clause on my PR that says I have to be in the republic at least once every 3 years or I forfeit it, I will gladly forfeit it if I have to be away for 2 years. Its not a do or die affair for me to have a PR, have seen someone forgoing a green card how much more a south african PR.

you nailed the real happening in sa. i came to sa at the age of 20 not in education line and spending over 7 years. i have seen sa ups and downs i just laugh when the new comer thinks education can be gateway to better life in sa. believe it or not if 1000 nigerian should come to do phd or master i can frankly say only 10 will be lucky to benefit from education system. surviving in a foreign land is just by a mere luck believe it or not.

mr price is recongnised as a very inferior retail store in south africa and they known for selling cheap nd inferior quality stuff to hell u can never find sun glases at mrprice for 350 rands (12000 naira). mr price is south african oshodi okrika

Aminat508:
Ogun abenu gongon

u go kill person ooo

people need to wise up....it is advicable to have a concrete plan while going abroad....first tip is to disable online purchase or reduce daily limit on all transactions..you can do that on internet banking or at the ATM. Secondly reduce your daily limit of cash withdrawal....POS purchases....transfer limit.....2000 usd (200,000 naira )of POS purchase in a day is way too high

THE PROBLEM IS ABOUT BEING BLACK! WHAT CAN A BLACK MAN DO??

madejibo:
Hi boss please post Femi's contact, if u can't please send me a mail and I will post it. We need to deal with that guy

Boss your re right buh i think the person who should be responsible for ill functioning of the embassy must be the ambassador its either he/she incapable or corrupt. lets deal with the ambassador! !!!!

just on 27th of august me n my friend paid femi 2150 rands to help renew our passports cos we too busy to go through the process. on the day of capturing we found out that passport renewal normal fees is just around 1000 rand. damn we rejected not going through the normal process that was a big reap off! that embassy corruption starts from the gateman. i have femi contact can post it here if you all want it

people can be misleading. please follow ur heart if its say quit den let it be nd if its say dont den dont. freedom to your heart matters.

Jaxera:
A woman shouldn't do something like this, it doesn't seem right at all.
There are jobs that women should do, and I don't think being a conductor in a commercial bus, especially in a city like lagos is the one of them.

Most times when I see things like this I ask myself, doesn't this woman have children or a husband?....I mean, I can never allow my own mum do something like this.

Well, the woman wants to make sure she isn't being duped by the driver. So, she should 'enjoy' herself.

my friend or should i call u mr know it all. it doesnt matter thats called civilization.

rawpadgin:
not really
how much are u earning?

thats personal. ur opinion noted. thanks

i can save a minimum of 200,000 naira in 6months. m i really doing good in south africa? m a forklift driver.