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DavidEsq:
In one of ur earlier quotes, u placed emphasis on Matthew 16:19, where Christ talked about "giving u the keys of the Kingdom". The question is: was he referring solely to Peter when he said so? What does that statement "give u d keys of the Kingdom" symbolise?
In Luke 22:29 and 30, Jesus said "and I make a covenant with u, just as my father has made a covenant with me, for a Kingdom, so that u may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel".
The use of the word "thrones" means that Jesus cldnt have been talking to Peter alone, since it would take more than one person to sit on "thrones" (more than one throne). This is further strengthened by Matthew 19:28 wr Jesus said "....truly I say to u, I the recreation, when the son of man sit down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. See also Revelations 21:14. So Jesus wasn't talking to Peter alone, when he said "I will give u the keys of the Kingdom". What then was Jesus talking about?
Jesus was talking about authority to Shepherd the congregation and since it wasn't only Peter he was referring to, he was therefore giving the authority to Shepherd the congregation to all the Apostles. That is why in Acts 15:2, we see Paul and Barnabas being selected to go to the congregation in Jerusalem to further provide them with the necessary instructions on spiritual matters and we see these instructions at Acts 15:19-29. Also, in Galatians 2:8, Apostle Paul confirmed that Peter wasn't the only one Appointed at the same time, to Shepherd the congregation: "For the one who empowered Peter for an apostleship to those who are circumcised also empowered me for those who are of the nations (the gentiles).
Now, to further explain that statement of Jesus Christ in Matthew 16:19, Jesus further stated in Matthew 18:18 that whatever "u (the shepherds) bind on earth is bound in heaven". Was Jesus saying that heaven (God) would follow or support completely, whatever decisions the imperfect shepherds took? No! Jesus was simply saying that whatever decisions the shepherds made in respect of the congregation on spiritual matters should reflect God's views on such matters and same would therefore, get God's support. That is why in verse 15 down to 17, he talked about settling matters within the congregation, in accordance with Godly principles. That is also why, at verse 18, he then made it clear that such decision in settling such matters would have the support of Heaven. Jesus was certainly not referring to Peter alone. That is why at Hebrews 13:17, it says: "be obedient to those taking the lead among u and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over u, as those who will render account.........,".
If Peter was the first Pope as u claim Matthew 16:19 purports, then who was the second pope immediately after peter and by what means was he (the second Pope) appointed? If the first pope was appointed by a perfect man (Jesus) would the appointment of the second pope not be made by an imperfect man, since Jesus had already risen at the time of Peter's death?
If Matthew 16:18 & 19 is the basis for the infallibility of the pope, how come Apostle Paul in Galatians 11-13 found Paul to be guilty of racism and rebuked him to his face, publicly at verse 14? U said every gathering must have a leader who in turn must know wat his duty would be. If not for Paul's rebuke, would Peter have known that it was his duty not to segregate? What does dis tell us about the position of leadership as the bible put it? In Hebrews 10:24 we are told to "consider one another so as to incite to love and do fine works". Is this the pattern of the leadership of the papacy? Hell no! Rather, the decree of 1870 declared anyone who didn't accept or believe the pope to be a successor to Peter, as a Heretic. The punishment of being a heretic is burning at the stake. Chai! . Barbecuing a human being .
Hebrews 13:17 uses the word "those"; it does not use the word "the one". Meaning it has never been the duty of one to shepherd the congregation. Rather, it is a select few. Deuteronomy 1:13 - 15 confirms this fact. See also Acts 20:28, Titus 1:5.
The question of infallibility of the pope is addressed and condemned by Romans 12:3, dat also condemns the idea of man making fellow man a saint.
Lastly, I'm surprised that u avoided the clear purport of Peter's own words at 1 Peter 2:4-8, where Peter identified Jesus as the very stone upon which the congregation or church is built, which also tallies with Jesus' words at Matthew 21:42 and the same Peter's words at Acts 4:8,11.
I'm indeed surprised ; and shocked, if I may add .

I think you're ignorant, what will you say about the man that was killed in the old testament for carrying the ark of covenant with his bare hand. or about a whole town that suffered destruction or when the world was destroyed with water etc, there are things your human mind can't fathom or understand, there are some actions that look bizarre to you but you can't understand cos of your human nature, there are ways that look good in the sight of man but the end is destruction. You need holy spirit to understand somethings.

With regard to Matthew 16:18 , Jesus Christ was specifically referring to Peter in this passage. He was often the spokesman for the others and had a leading role in the early church. We must also note, however, that all the other disciples were in Jesus’ presence at that time. No matter how you try to change the bible words or scripture, it won't work. Thanks for the time and argument, I won't reply this argument any longer

DavidEsq:
OK I'm not using this to distract u bro. Sori bout that; but it's kinda funny u say my use of "where" doesn't make sense. U know say I be A1 English student? Don't wori, I'm just showing off for a few minutes.
On a serious note, I meant to use the word "where". Don't mind Seun's made-in-Ibadan auto correct .
Bro, can u show me where Jesus prayed to his mother or where the Apostles prayed to Mary? Just show me, ayam begging u. If u don't show me, would u let me show u wr Jesus forbade or discouraged eulogising or giving reverence to Mary?
I'm waiting.......

I know you want to quote Mathew 12 vs 46 - 50, but if you do, you are very wrong. I will direct you to read what happened at the cross side where Jesus handed over Mary to his disciples, John 19:26-27 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, "Woman, here is your son," and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. That single act means a lot if you don't know.

In the Gospel of St. Luke, we read:
“The Angel Gabriel was sent to a Virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the House of David; and the Virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27).

How did the Angel Gabriel then address her? The Gospel of St. Luke continues:
“Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women!”
“Fear not, Mary, for thou has found grace with God. Behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His Name, Jesus... The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy One which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
Who can deny the dignity of the Virgin Mary — chosen to be the Mother of Jesus Christ? The Angel Gabriel, who was sent by God Himself, honored and praised her.

Furthermore, when the Virgin Mary visited her cousin, St. Elizabeth

“was filled with the Holy Ghost, and she cried out with a loud voice and said: ‘Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?’”
Once again, honor and praise is rendered to the Virgin Mary by St. Elizabeth, “who was filled with the Holy Ghost”
Then during this same visitation, the Virgin Mary responded to her cousin’s praise of her by the prayer so full of humility and of praise to God:
“My soul doth magnify the Lord... because He hath regarded the humility of His handmaid; for behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For He that is mighty hath done great things to me.”

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EarthXmetahuman:
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What about Beyonce feat Motorola or Rihanna feat Fero


Alhaji Tekno on the beat, he's the best singer in Nigeria ATM

DavidEsq:
At the bolden:
So that line doesn't make English sense to u? Buhari why? Why have u infected us with ur Nepa bill for academic certificate .
The only possible place wr the Apostles were seen to have been Catholics and to have also prayed as Catholics is the bible but since its not in the bible, that's why I asked u to tell me "where". U dey hear abi u dey understand?

It doesn't make sense, yes.
Moreover that's not what you typed, so that's settled.

Jesus Christ founded Catholic Church, do you expect them His disciples or apostles to create their own and leave their master's own or you expect them to leave the work he handed over to them. I believe you're wiser


No matter how you try to involve Buhari or political talks using his certificate issue as a ground into this discussion, I won't give you, this is strictly religious talk

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DavidEsq:
The word I used was "pls tell ur where". Why did u remove the "were" na? As for the part u referred to as "insult", Heck no! It was neva an insult.

Mr man go and check the response you gave then, I only copied it, I didn't edit it or delete anything. That's the exact message I saw before quoting you. even if you add where or were it won't make any sense because it will be a wrong statement, if you doubt me... this is what the statement will look like with where or were...

Please tell us where Apostle Paul and the rest Apostles were Catholics and prayed as Catholics pray... does that make any sense to you.

You meant to ask the person you're arguing with back then to tell you if Apostle Paul and other Apostles were Catholics and do they pray the way Catholics pray, so stop shifting goal post.

Listen in the early time a Catholic is equal to a Christian and a Christian is equal to a Catholic, that was how it's before some people left/break off... and I hope you know the earliest recorded person or people to leave, using that as a guide, where do you think Apostle Paul and other Apostles belong, FYI he's a saint in Catholic Church. The fact that Catholic church was founded by Jesus is enough reason to tell you other apostles including Paul were Catholics. can we just end this argument because since you don't want to accept the obvious truth with enough facts, we will only keep going on and on with this argument. EOD, Thanks

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DavidEsq:
Was it Paul only he was referring to when he said "I give u the keys...."? Let's discuss that when I return from work or during office hours later today? Just hold ur bible ready sha

He was referring to Peter and not Paul

DavidEsq:
Pls cld u tell me exactly wr I said Christianity started with Paul? . When d president is a Nepa bill-for-certifcate holder, I'm not surprised that one of the citizens is displaying a similar behavioural pattern (ADULLor) behaviour

If you think you can deny, you're wrong because the Internet never forgets.
What are insinuating with that citation you gave here?

To understand u clearer, Please tell us, Apostle Paul and the rest Apostles were catholics and prayed as Catholics pray.
Besides I'm surprised that with all ur "certainty", u didn't or shld I say cldnt cite a single scripture. This is my citation: Acts 1:21 - 26 shows that it was due to the activities and behaviour of the 1st century Christians that led to the people of Antioch calling the Apostles, Christians. Pls enlighten us on how u arrived at ur conclusion.

BTW has it gotten to the level of using insults just because you're out of idea. I know your type

DavidEsq:
U also forgot to refute the oda scriptures. Eya.

Smiles, I gave you bible verses to support my argument, you said I forgot to refute other scriptures.
Read Mathew 16 vs 13-20, pay attention to 17, 18 and 19 precisely. That's enough to support my argument

He said the truth didn't come to him from any human being but it was given directly by my Father in Heaven. (hope you know what that means?)
He said you're a rock, on this rock I will build my church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it. what does this words mean to you?
He proceeded by saying I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven...
You should be able to know which church is the first Christian church on earth or which apostle is the greatest from my illustrations. well you're free to your opinion. Have a nice day

DavidEsq:
U don c am now? I had to copy u

I no see anything from all you sent/quoted/replied. I still stand on my point, just that I no get that kind time to embark on this type of argument when the truth is obvious but you're trying to change the words of the bible to suit your point.

if I'm not wrong, you said Christianity started from the time of Paul and that's why I quoted you at the first place, siting where Jesus sent His disciples in pairs to go and preach and also His words to Peter as facts to let you know Christianity existed before then

Nice

DavidEsq:
Heck no! I arrived at a point it's in the second quote. I mistakenly pressed "submit" before I realised it.

Alright

DavidEsq:
The 1870 Vatican Council’s decree was based primarily on its interpretation of Matthew 16:16-19 and John 21:15-17. The conversations between Jesus and Peter that we read in these passages as well as other Bible accounts show that the apostle Peter had an important role in the history of early Christianity. In fact, the first time they met, Jesus predicted that Peter would display rocklike qualities in his life. (John 1:42) But did Christ give Peter primacy?

At Matthew 16:17, 18, we find Jesus’ words to Peter: “I say to you, you are Peter [whose name means “A Piece of Rock”], and upon this rock I will build my church.”* Was Jesus saying that his “church,” or congregation, would be built upon Peter, a man? Was Peter to be the head of all other followers of Jesus? How did the other apostles present at that conversation understand Jesus’ words? The Gospels reveal that later, on a number of occasions, they argued about who was the greatest among them. (Matthew 20:20-27; Mark 9:33-35; Luke 22:24-26) If Jesus had already given Peter primacy, or superiority, could there have been any question as to who was the greatest among the apostles?

How did Peter himself understand Jesus’ words? Growing up an Israelite, Peter would have been familiar with various Hebrew prophecies speaking of a “stone” or a “cornerstone.” (Isaiah 8:13, 14; 28:16; Zechariah 3:9) When he quoted one of them in a letter to his fellow believers, Peter explained that the prophesied “cornerstone” was the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Peter used the Greek term pe’tra (the same word found in Jesus’ statement at Matthew 16:18) for Christ alone.​—1 Peter 2:4-8.
Cc: Anigreat.

What are you insinuating?

You typed or copied all these without giving a conclusion to drive home your point.

Remember Jesus asked His disciples who do they say I am?
it was only one of them that got the answer, do you think that doesn't have any meaning. read Jesus response to Peter's answer in Mathew 16 vs 17, from that reading you should be able to see that Peter was chosen.
In every gathering there must be a leader and it's expected of the leader to know what his duty will be, and since Peter knew/know who Jesus Christ is from his answer to Jesus Christ's question, that's what led to Mathew 16 vs 18.

What other primacy do you need, from Jesus words to Peter in the presence of others, it's clear.
Read Mathew 16 vs 19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Telling Peter that he will build His church on him doesn't mean that He will carry cement and sand and start building on him, making you a leader is same thing as building something on you, don't forget Peter is the first pope of Catholic church.
Do you really know what that means?
Is there any other discipline that was got that key or that words of assurance?

Peter being an Israelite has nothing to do with the answer he gave because he was not the only Jewish(Israelite) man among the 12 disciples.

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DavidEsq:
Lemme baf fes. I just returned from jogging . Then I wld read that scripture u cited. I appreciate your interest in spiro tinz

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DavidEsq:
Can u point it out in the scriptures? Pls read 2 Timothy 3:16.

Stop changing God's word, remember it's a sin and you will he hold accountable for it. Read Mathew 16 vs 18 and tell me if your daddy G.O is the one Jesus Christ gave His authority, Tell me who's the first pope of Catholic church, Tell me who found Catholic. I won't say much, all I have to tell you is that, everyone will answer his own question when the time comes, so if you like say what you don't know about catholic, my brother or sister the church is thriving just like Jesus Christ told Peter

Most people criticizing catholics are unaware that there was a time in history that a Christian is a Catholic and a Catholic is a Christian. so tell me if catholic is not the mother church.
The bible is a Catholic innovation, Catholic church wrote the bible which all the Christians are using. So saying catholic is this or that is also the same thing as saying Christianity is this or that.
Have you ever wondered why despite all the critics it is still thriving, that's a sign that whatever God owns, no man or anything can thrive over it. Mathew 16 vs 18.

I'm happy to be a Catholic

DavidEsq:
The bible citation simply says that rather than follow the truth, people like u listen to stories. As for the part of how Christ formed the congregation, pls tell us how in forming the congregation, he endorsed bowing to images and praying to his mother? because u relied on the founding of the congregation by Christ as the evidence that Christ formed the Catholic Church.

Go and read Mathew 16 vs 18... And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build my church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it.
or do you want to change the words of Jesus christ, remember before Paul, Mark 16 vs 15, Luke 9 vs 2. Christ always send his disciples to go and preach, where he told them to dust their sandals if they are not welcome, I believe you know that was before the time of paul, Christianity/Church/Jesus ministry didn't start from Paul's time, it started before Paul's time, just that Paul being a Roman had access to go places, he didn't meet Jesus Christ in person FYI

OYAY:
What is the problem of CAN with political patronage? Is that the injunction given to them by our lord Jesus Christ? What happen to 'go ye to the world and preach the gospel' ? Do they want to be preaching the gospel at government house?

Hold it there please, that is how you guys will open eyes and sand will enter inside. sometimes it's good to know when to take action instead of keeping mute, I believe CAN excos think well enough before taking that step

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fabrex:
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obajoey:
Uncover any concerns before the end of the interview. To determine where you stand, ask the interviewer about next steps. If they’re not specific, you probably won’t be called back.

Any concerns like when are you to resume abi..lol
At the bolded, why should I tell you the next step when you are not even going to make it there and telling doesn't mean you will get there either.
Just be yourself in an interview, prepare well, give your best and pray for God's presence.

I see someone receiving that call of favour this week in Jesus name (Amen).

Amen

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