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You actually TINUBU intended some positive outcome from the whole thing?

All TINUBU was trying to do is strengthen his political elite crew.That is all about Nigerias government, nothing else

Christistruth02:
What Azikiwe did to Calabar to be honest with you the Leaders of the SE are supposed to gather themselves together and go to beg the Calabar People for forgiveness

What Azikiwe did to damage the leadership Position of Calabar in the East was not just 123456 or 7 things
It was a Constant Policy of Azikiwe followed up by Gen Ironsi and Ojukwu
It backfired when they tried to takeover Calabar Ancestral Homeland completely and Ojukwu was deporting the Calabar people into Concentration Camps to die of Starvation while being guarded by Ojukwu's troops.

A wholesale Slaughter of their leaders opposed to Ojukwu had preceded that.


The descendants of those wicked men will soon up to deny it but that was the Truth

The truth will set you free

Christistruth02:
When it comes to Yorubas you yourself know that they never Joke with their Ancient Ancestral lineage or History

Not only Yorubas,even still,mix ups definitely occurs

Christistruth02:
The Oore Otun Ekiti who is the highest Ruler and Custodian of Moba People doesn't know their own History according to you?

Was it your own Father's that built Sungbo Eredo Kingdom that is the Largest ruins of any City in Sub Saharan Africa??

Even the ekiti you speak about,if you read the history of Yoruba by prof Akintoye, he narrated that there's a narrative that most of the root ekitis were not originally yoruboid speaking or yoruboid extraction, it was an influx of yoruboid groups that mixed up with them that made them yoruboid speaking, look the Yoruboid speaking groups actually met autochonos aborigine non yoruboid speaking groups in most places they call home today

Christistruth02:
The Oore Otun Ekiti who is the highest Ruler and Custodian of Moba People doesn't know their own History according to you?

Was it your own Father's that built Sungbo Eredo Kingdom?

It's possible, many tribes and groups today cannot exactly know or authenticate their history because it was largely undocumented, there's been a lot of mix up ,loss and addition as time goes by

MossadAgent:
But you want to hold on to the IPOB lie of being Jewish .


Leave other people's history and focus on your own .

The Jewish narrative is crap.
I'm not Igbo though

Christistruth02:
You know that I told you that your version of History of Yoruba is infuriating

I mean it

The Moba Eredo People are Yorubas

They migrated from Ile Ife before Oduduwa ruled Ife as King just like the Ijebu and Owo People

Oore Otun Ekiti is a direct descendant of the Moba Kings
Have the Otun Ekiti people and Ijebu been lost to History?
No!!!


Now please kindly go and face your own People's History and stop trying hard to Mutilate our own Yoruba History

Look,what proofs do you have that they migrated from IFE, there's been many researchers that have debunked the IFE "migration " narrative of various Yoruba groups. That is why you should read history books and documents. Many traditional history are myths,that's why it's infuriating to you,cos you have been acculturated to believe that all traditional history is authentic.

Majority Yoruba like to believe in their traditional history alone without doing proper research and get shocked and angry when the narratives they grew up to believe in are debunked

Christistruth02:
Have you heard of the Yoruba Moba Eredo People how dare you claim they were lost to Antiquity?

Your Yoruba History is infuriating

They are in Lagos Ijebu Ekiti and Benin Republic

I listened to a woman on a program,an elderly woman, indigene of Lagos, she claimed to be from that moba civilisation, she claimed they aren't omo odua ,that they aren't of Yoruba extraction

Christistruth02:
You read Yoruba History?
Our People lived it
And we are still living it

You don't know Yoruba History


Ok

Why did the Yorubas build the Sungbo Eredo Kingdom in Lagos and Ogun State between the 6th and 9th Century and which present Yoruba Obas descended from that Kingdom?

Oya tell us we are listening

Please kindly explain it to us
we dey wait

Sungbo eredo was built in ijebu by ancient peoples which was lost in antiquity by a people believed to be autochonos to the area not necessarily of Yoruba extraction.

Christistruth02:
You don't know Yoruba History
And you don't know how Yoruba were guaranteed safe passage on permission through even Enemy Territory when on Legitimate Business so you can make no Comment

You are only interested in attacking Yoruba History at all casts and it is Obnoxious and offensive

That is fact,I read Yoruba history from prof akintoyes history of Yoruba book and tayo fanirans Yoruba a new history book,along with numerous other papers and documents.

These are researched history works.

There is no gainsaying that refugees actually catalysed the boosting of Lagos into an economic centre especially after its acquisition by the British.

The war actually made LAGOS a new centre of trade and economic activity.

Prior to that time,Lagos was simply not,Yorubas of that era regarded Lagos as a backwater area

Christistruth02:
Oyos decline led to the rise of the Powerful Ibadan, and Egbas Kingdoms both of which were formerly under Alaafin Oyo

Ibadan and the Egbado people on the Coast remained loyal to Oyo
Ibadan itself was actually a huge Oyo Refugee Camp that became a Major Military power and Empire itself
The people of Ibadan remained loyal to Alaafin and it was Alaafin who signed the Kiriji Treaty on behalf of Ibadan and Egbado as their Sovereign Overlord
The Egbas has rebelled fully against Oyo and were under Alake

Yorubaland was in civil war,there was no guarantee of safety for trade in that axis,the influx of yoruba refugees to LAGOS,was what boosted Lagos, not long-standing international trade

Christistruth02:
Lagos Was the biggest Trading Hub in West Africa
The Kings of Dahomey's insatiable thirst for Slave Raiding everyone including Traders visiting the Coast on Business had driven much Maritime International Trade West to Lagos

Could you imagine a Nupe or Hausa man go to trade at the King of Dahomey Ports without himself being kidnapped and sold into Slavery himself?

Oyo and Lagos Kings guaranteed the safety of Traders coming from kingdoms as far away as Borno Gobir Kano to trade in Lagos

If they tried that with Dahomey kingdom they would have been shipped to Brazil as Slaves themselves!!

Oyo had declined and finally fell in 1820s,Yoruba land was in grievous civil war from that time on,what guarantee of safety are you talking about.infact it was the fall of oyo and the Yoruba civil war that drove Yorubas into LAGOS, prior to the time,LAGOS was considered a backwater,Yoruba civillization was never a coastal civilisation but a land based on. The Yoruba prior to the civil war never rated LAGOS

Jeezuzpick:
No.

Neither are Ebiras.

Both are just close to the Yorubas that they often speak Yoruba and some of them evrn have Yoruba names.

True

Christistruth02:
You version of History is very wicked Propaganda against Yorubaland

It was the Egbas of Abeokuta and the Christian Missionaries there that invited the British to Capture Lagos!!!!!

You cannot Teach us our own Yoruba History!

Let me tell you something the Awori were under Alaafin of Oyo when Benin Attacked Lagos

Ebutte Meta in Lagos was once a Port of the Oyo Empire that was Controlled by Olofin

Yes!!

It was after Oyo took Badagry and Porto Novo off the King of Dahomey in War that they started using Badagry and Porto Novo Ports instead

Till Today the Yoruba Traditional Ruler of Porto Novo is under Alaafin Oyo


You Probably Don’t Know that Ijebuland begins from 5 Cowrie Creek on Victoria Island

Yes!!

Or that Clapperton met Exiled Oba of Lagos Adele in Badagry in 1825 praying Tribute
to the Alaafin of Oyo as the acting Ruler of Badagry

Yes!!


Let me tell you more so your Head can get the authentic History right

On the Day that the British Empire arrived

All of Lagos State was under the Egba, Ijebu and Oyo Armies

Lagos Island was the only exception and we will tell you why

Even Iddo and Otto Island facing Lagos Island were under the Egba of Abeokuta

Lagos Island was the only Exception because when the Yorubas fought the Ota War of 1842

Egbas of Abeokuta won and took control of all the Land from Abeokuta to the Sea

After they had taken Iddo Island facing Lagos Island the Egba War Chiefs decided that Lagos Island

Was not worth talking because of the Huge Military losses that the Egba fighters would have

Incurred as a result of the Ocean Warfare needed to Capture Lagos Island

If it was Port the Egbas Needed they already had Ebutte Meta that belonged to Oloto of Otto

under their Military Control

Mind you Benin never turned up to defend Lagos during the 1842 Ota War O!

It was the Egbas, Awori and Ibadan Oyos slugging it out on the battlefield

The Ibadan pitched their War Camp at Agege and fought all the Way to the Sea under Basorun Oluyole

Who was the allied with Oba of Lagos and the Awori of Ota

The Ilajes controlled the Entrance of Lagos Lagoon into the Atlantic Ocean and not the Oba of Lagos

That was part of what led to the British entering into a Separate treaty with the Ilajes




Now Listen,

The British finally invaded and took Lagos Island as Military Allies of the Egbas of Abeokuta and its

Christian Missionaries in retaliation for and to stop King Kosoko of Lagos selling Egbas into Slavery

Yes!!!

Bishop Ajayi Crowther had personally met with Queen Victoria in November of 1851 to request that
the British attack Lagos,

The British attacked Lagos a month later and reinstated Oba Akitoye on the Throne after removing
Kosoko




Finally, On top of all that Lagos Island itself belongs to the Yoruba Awori People who descended from Oduduwa and migrated from Ile Ife in the 13th Century!!

My claim which you haven't refuted here is that,Lagos was not a big trading hub prior to British claim,atleast not bigger than other central and Eastern ports(brass,Calabar( the eastern ports linked up to lokoja,enabling even bigger trade in that axis), Lagos became Lagos under the British and the FG period.

Jeezuzpick:
The part of Kogi that came from Kwara are mostly Yoruba.

Even the Ebiras of Okene and environs and the Ogori are known to sometimes have Yoruba names, even though they have their own languages.

The Oworos who own Lokoja are Yorubas. Oworo is a Yoruba dialect.

BTW, the largest iron ore deposit in Nigeria is in Oworo land.

Ilú Àgbà is 100% Yoruba land.

But ogori is not Yoruba sha

Christistruth02:
You got it Wrong

It was the other way round
The British chose Lagos Island as the Capital because Lagos was already a Major Port and commercial Trading Center long before the British arrived in 1851
The Yorubas were already doing International Trade with the Portuguese,Dutch, French, Spanish and Germans there

Lagos was already the busiest Port in West Africa and Commercial Capital of Yorubaland long before the British arrived

It was main Port of Northern Nigeria used too

You are wrong, the British claimed LAGOS because they were invited to support a party( one of the obas against the other) in return the Oba surrendered his sovereignty of LAGOS.

The itsekiri, ijaw,Benin,efiks were also doing international(legitimate) trade as big or even bigger than LAGOS prior to 1851. Infact the British wanted to use LAGOS as a depot mainly for returned slaves like Freetown.

The British were more interested in Lagos at that point because, it was still a zone of heavy slave trade by oba kosoko,while other ports such as ghotun,brass,nembe,Calabar etc had drastically reduced slave trade and embraced legitimate trade,but oba kosoko refused and was still a heavy slave trader,so they took an opportunity to dethrone him and claim Lagos to prevent further trade of slaves( atleast that was the official reason) not because LAGOS was a big hub for legitimate trade,it simply wasn't.

Christistruth02:
Don't Claim for FG that which Awolowo did

All the Industrial Estates around Apapa Port were built by Awolowo who also built Factories there too so Western Region and subsequent Lagos State could ship its manufactured products from there to the rest of the Globe

It was Awolowo who did everything he could to turn Lagos into an Economic Powerhouse

Western Region Lagos was under Awolowo
It included the Entire Lagos Sea Coast

In those days Ikeja LG included Lagos Harbour and reached the Atlantic Ocean

You Yourself know that Awolowo was a great builder

It was because of Awolowo's free Education Policy that Easterners first started flooding into Lagos to enroll their Children and Siblings in Western Region Schools it was not because of the FG

All the Mainland areas were the Western Region Lands

The FG only leased Western Region and Lagos State Land there because Lagos Island the Capital had run out of Land

Western Region and the Successor Lagos State was only trying to help the FG out of it's Lack of Land predicament by allowing it to use its Lands

Were the Western Region and Lagos State wrong to help the FG after it had completely run out of Land or should they be penalized for doing So ?

It was the whites( colonialist) that built the industrial estates at apapa not Awolowo, you are wrong,

Awolowo did more in Ibadan than in LAGOS, the military and missionaries also gave subsidised education not only Awolowo.

Most of the estates in Lagos, including roads eg the ikorodu road,were built by the military.

Mind you there were numerous foreign companies in LAGOS providing jobs,not only awolowos companies.

There were also companies in the East and north providing jobs.

Mind you also,the igbos were more in the north prior to the war,during the regional government times than they were in the West,After the war,most couldn't return to the north and looked to Lagos, the capital.

Christistruth02:
Lagos Island was still the Capital

Lagos State had a separate Military Governor and the first was Major Mobolaji Johnson

All the other States also had Military Governors too

The FG was at Lagos Island the Capital
When it ran out of Land it leased Land from Lagos State which was formerly Western Region and which still belonged to Awori,Ilaje,Ilaje ,Egbas,Egun ,,Oyo,Owu,Ketu as it had for Centuries


The rest of Lagos State was Separate and had Ikeja as the Capital
No Gov Developed Lagos the Way Jakande did

Jakande turned Lagos State into a building Site building Schools Hospitals Colleges everything

The most important FG infrastructure in Lagos was the 3rd Mainland Bridge but all Major Bridges in Nigeria were always built by the FG
Including Jebba,Lokoja,Idah,Onitsha bridges

The Airport was actually initially built by the British Gov for the Western Province but the whole of Nigeria used it

This was Major Mobolaji Johnson explaining that Lagos was not No man's land

The fact that the capital was in "LAGOS ISland" brought development to its environs,just as Abuja built from scratch as brought development to the whole FCT.

LAGOS capital extended to the mainland and in fact the most developed pact of the mainland today were those built or influenced by the then FG eg yaba,surulere,amuwo-odofin, apapa, probably only Ikeja zone was the only part that has significant development outside FG influence.

The rest of the core mainland not "influenced" by FG were not developed even till today

To each it's own,let the MIT graduate go and rule anambara

Christistruth02:
Lagos Island was Capital not Lagos State

Lagos Island the Capital was less that 1% of Lagos State Land Mass the rest of Lagos State belonged to Awolowo's Western Region
Including Lekki

Even under Babangida Military FG ,Lagos Island was the Federal Capital and Awolowo built Ikeja was the State Capital

Lagos Island the Capital was Completely surrounded by Lagos State because ships needed to sail through Lagos State Waters to reach the Atlantic Ocean from Lagos Island as Lagos Island was actually an Island inside the Lagos Lagoon and the entire Lagoon entrance along with the entire Seafront Coastline belonged to Lagos State and not FG

From 1966 when the military took over,the military never restricted itself to Lagos island, it developed the mainland Lagos ,infact most of the expansion of Lagos was to the mainland, it's only from 1999 that the island started developing and expanding

Christistruth02:
Calabar was the Capital of the Eastern Region!!!!

It was called the Eastern Province at that time

It was Azikiwe that moved the Capital to Enugu against the advice of the British who explained to Azikiwe that Calabar was better because it was a Port City and would Stimulate Economic Activity and growth for the entire Region if the Capital remained in Calabar

Azikiwe refused to listen in a move that was clearly Tribally motivated
Enugu was not a Strategic Location
Calabar being a Port City was!

Azikiwe also removed Prof Eyo Ita (who was also from Calabar) as the Premier of the Eastern Region

Niger coast protectorate is different from Eastern region

Christistruth02:
Even under Babangida Military FG ,Lagos Island was the Federal Capital and Awolowo built Ikeja was the State Capital

The military FG never restricted itself to the island, they developed the whole of LAGOS

Ojiofor:
Partially true but mostly muslim ccountries are not doing well in sports due to religious and cultural orientations.
Without southerners sports is dead in Nigeria . .

Malaysia and Indonesia major Muslim countries participate in a lot of sports, and show their development and capacity

The number of sports a country participates in can tell how developed a country is.

Nigeria and most of Africa participates in only few sports in the Olympics. Most developed countries participate in many sports and the most highly developed tend to be the medal winners.

Nigeria is no where to be found in the scheme of the world and it is pertinent for most of the tribes especially the so called majority tribes who keep bragging of their greatness in the world to realise that they are no were great.

I prefer to call out tribes than Nigeria as a country because most of the major tribes who constitute 60% of the country are mediocre and like to hide their mediocrity under the cover of Nigeria.

Their mediocrity made them the most enslaved peoples in world history.

I asked a question, the Nupe have a title called daudu,what is the meaning? Is it the same as dawodu?

Christistruth02:
Calabar was the Capital of the Eastern Region

Even the British advised Azikiwe from changing it to Enugu when he was Premier

That is partly why till Today Calabar people are not keen on Azikiwe and Ojukwu

The British explained to Azikiwe that the Capital was better at Calabar being a Port City that would Stimulate the Economy of the Eastern Region but Azikiwe refused to listen

Azikiwe also removed Prof Eyo Ita of Calabar from being the Premier of the Eastern Region

Whatever the case,Regions only lasted for 6 years,LAGOS was capital ffrom 1960 at the least,prior to that the British ruled Nigeria from LAGOS since 1914,there's no basis of comparism with Calabar

What is the difference between the name dawodu and the Nupe title daudu

Christistruth00:
Pathetic

So why do most black Brazilians have some Yoruba Ancestry?

They were exported by oyo n Dahomey mostly through uiodah port

sunboy:
And Apapa is considered Lagos mainland right?

And Calabar has the same colonial planning the Lagos island had, how has Calabar not become another Lagos and the focus has always been just on Lagos?

The term “you Yoruba” I haven’t mentioned to you that I’m a Yoruba so far.

LAGOS state was the FG capital for 70years,
It's like you don't know LAGOS, if you knew Lagos during the time of the military, you'd know that the whole of LAGOS was the federal capital,the military never restricted itself to Lagos island

Christistruth00:
Lagos that was already the Busiest Port in West Africa before the British Arrived?

So where do you think Lagos Yorubas had been trading with the Portuguese?

The Portuguese trade wasn't big,the big ports in Nigeria in that era was Calabar, ghotun not Lagos

Iamgrey5:
Yes I said since 1999 Kogi has been ruled by terrible leaders.

Kogi was created in 1991 but Lokoja is a very important city in Nigerians history

Lokoja was only imported from a certain period, the mistake you people make is that because a city was settled early by the whites it should always have been an important city,that's not the case,LAGOS was made capital for 70 years,Abuja was built from Scratch, those are significant difference between places like lokoja and Calabar