₦airaland Forum

CSTRR:
The only thing I see is that Nigeria wasted over $60b on South Africa's freedom struggle.

It should be one of our worst regrets as a nation.

That money would have been used in building rail, or funding education and healthcare.

That you helped them shouldn't mean that they should return the favour.

Enough of this SA Chidinma shit,y'all can go n die.To hell with SA and the lady

Deadlytruth:
How true is the claim that Ogori was once part of Benin Province in the colonial era?

OGORI was initially part of kukuruku district when it was administered from fugar and then shifted to kabba. It should be noted that prior to 1918 kukuruku district was administered as part of the north( under ilorin then latter kabba province) and not as part of Benin province,the Nupe held sway in that axis around that era and not Benin,so the British included that axis under the Ilorin/ kabba province.

But when the north south boundary was to be readjusted in 1918. Kukuruku district was then removed to be under the Benin province.
Ogori-magongo was then taken out and placed with igbirra division under kabba province .

The reason for taking OGORI out was that OGORI initially wanted to carve out a separate akokogbangiri district removed from kukuruku district( Akoko-edo along with some Akoko-yoruba and igbirra towns).In which ogori will be the capital.They made efforts and initially got the agreement of the various towns and approval to do this.But there was strong opposition from the newly created ohinoyi of ebira stool and the appointed monarch attah Ibrahim ( who was very close to the British), he opposed this move and worked against it,he convinced the Akoko towns to pull out of the agreement, the Akoko Yoruba led by Ikare-Akoko pulled out to join owo instead,then the Akoko-edo towns gradually started pulling out to retain their positions in kukuruku district,leaving only bekuma and ososo still in support of OGORI, bekuma and ososo too eventually pulled out back to kukuruku,seeing OGORI not making any headway,this left ogori with magongo that tagged along completely stranded and isolated,the attah larama Ibrahim then made an arrangement with OGORI to join igbirrà division with the igbirra towns that OGORI actually ancestrally controlled such as obeihira,ituahi,Ukpogoro, odenku etc( they all had originally ogori chiefs ruling these villages,their current chiefs are still of ogori descent).OGORI agreed to this arrangement then joined igbirra but after that the attah through British influence excised control of these villages from OGORIs control,leaving ogori with no influence and as political smithereens. Ogori tried to go back to kukuruku district and appealed to the elders of kukuruku to use their influence to bring them back but it did not work,the attah had closer ties with the British, this eventually made OGORI to fall under igbirra division, though the attah never had any authority over OGORI ever.OGORI was left virtually isolated and on its own, it started working since then to break free from igbirra division and be fully independent politically,it finally got this decades later with the creation of its own local government.

Therefore, in summary, the claim that ogori was part of Benin province in the colonial era is false but ogori was part of the kukuruku district when it was under the kabba province

RuggedBiafran:
Sharap liar ..

Ghanaian population dominated the Educational sphere in NIGERIA and they even thought me as a kid in LAGOS.

Their educational impaction is benefits me till today.

You are shameless trying to rewrite history to Dodge the obvious fact that Yoruba were behing chasing ghanians from NIGERIA.

#ghanamustgo
#igbomustgo

Done by Yoruba people... FACTs

Go n die with your biafra

TopBanter:
Vile and hateful joker. Soon you will tell us Yorubas were responsible for all the atrocities Fulani herdsmen committed under Buhari in the 8 years he was President. You people are just disgusting creatures of hate.

Sunday, a day of religious reflection and worship, you are here promoting hate against others with lies and ridiculous fake new.

This is how you lot tried to lie it was Yorubas insulting Oba of Benin when even foetuses know who the most foul-mouthed, disrespectful, uncouth and uncultured Nigerians are. I.e Igbos.

The call for you people to keave the SW should actually grow in my opinion because you are nothing but enemies-within to Yorubas who host you graciously while you pay them back with a constant and unrelentingly obsession for hating and demonizing them.

Do you know it's somehw true that Yorubas were responsible for the buhari atrocities.

This is because they wholly supported Buharis evil regime,they even confess it online and claim igbos were insulting the Fulani unjustly.

They push,covered,supported buharis evil regime

TopBanter:
@OP.

This is why you Igbos as despicable hateful human beings, are despised worldwide.

Once you hate others then all of you, from elders about to enter their graves to unborn children, dedicate yourselves to hounding yoir percieved enemies with anything and everything to include lies, ludicrous fabrications and outright fake news.

"Ghana must go" was announced by Shehu Shagari, while Presudent, in 1983. Yet you now want to revise history to blame it on Yorubas to cause disaffection and enmity foe the ethnic group.

This is how you lot claimed Buhari was dead and replaced by Jubrin from Sudan because of youe inordinate hatred of our former President and his ethnic group.

You desperation to tarnish the Yorubs is ridiculed by the fact that Ghanaians who are in Nigeria today are mainly concentrated in the SW, where they prefer to be amongst genuinely progressive and accomodation people, and not your God-forsaken and hellish SE or anywhere else.

You lot are nothing but hateful and evil troublemakers most Nigerians should deliberately start shunning. Instead of Igbos mod to ban you people for ethnic baiting they'll ban posters like us responding to your lunacy. Nonsense.

Ghanaians for your info are mostly in the southsouth,pH,Calabar.

What good job agents are available in Lagos now.( for job connects and linking)

Those on the island and mainland.

Their names and addresses or contacts.

Deadlytruth:
Well, I have read through all your responses. While I might still need more clarifications on the origins of Ogori as a people, I would also like to be educated on the Magongo connection with Ogori in the sense of who exactly Magongo people are and where they migrated from. Are they Ebiras or that they share ancestry with Ogori people?

For clarifications on ogori origins,the truth is that ogoris cannot exactly tell their exact origins just like say the core Benin people in Benin city can't tell you their exact origins or say the Igbo,even the Yoruba, this is because though ogori is small today,ogori is a root tribe or ethnic group like for example the Benin etc and not a subethnic or derived from any other tribe per say,the tribe of OGORI is oko-( pronounced as OorKor), while their towns of location are ogori and magongo just the way the Yoruba or any other tribe as several towns etc.Ogori/ magongo tribe is oko-.Ogori language as no parent and is not a dialect of any language,so ogori/ oko cannot be said to be a subethnic group like the say the okpameri or Uneme whose language is derived from Benin. or edoid.ogori history is very ancient and complex and no historian as been able to have a full discovery of its exact origins.There are atleast 3 very detailed books on ogori history but non was able to conclude on the exact origins of OGORI.


Now for magongo, magongo is fully and wholly same with OGORI, they are also oko.we are the same people and blood brothers.

Ogori and magongo are composed of a variety of clans,who arrived at different times. All the clans of magongo except for one are extensions from OGORI.This exception clan happens to be the royal clan of magongo today even though they arrived very late in about the early 1700s.This clan led by a powerfulman unagogo( from were the name magongo comes from),due to their late arrival chose to maintain a separate administration.

This clan then had an issue with the leader of OGORI at the time,caused by a daughter of unagogo,who married the then leader of OGORI odeyon.this led to a serious rancour ,unagogo assassinated the odeyon the leader of OGORI then,his brother inlaw,OGORI didn't care much cos the leader odeyon was a ruthless tyrant and they were happy to be done with him.

But unagogo refused to release his head for royal burial,this angered ogori and the clan uduako were driven out of OGORI ,they then went to settle with ebiras at okengwe.

They were there for many years,until the Nupe wars,were they allied with the ebira,to war ogori,ogori was also at war with the Nupes at this time,this disruption allowed them to return close to their previous settlements near the main OGORI ,were they are today,These events of being driven out by ogori and their alliance with ebira created enemity between this clan and the rest of OGORI.

These issues were later resolved and peace agreements settled,some other clans sympathetic to their plight later went to live with them.

But because of this events the magongo royal authority especially still hold that resentment and always tries to claim that they aren't part of the rest of OGORI and do their festivals and other stuffs separately.

This is what makes OGORI and magongo different otherwise they are fully one and same

Deadlytruth:
Well, I have been hearing that Ogori people are ancestrally from Ile Ife and that what they speak is a dialect of Yoruba. But now that you are saying otherwise, then you could have superior facts as a native. So could you please expatiate further? Which of the Akoko-Edo ethnicities is Ogori. Are they Okpameri, Uneme or Igarra or any other one which is none of these three?

The igarra in their history also claim that they met some groups called anufua,andiva and anakoni,which were giants,dwarfs and the last group anakoni ( which I believe is OGORI) ,ogori call themselves people of akoni or people of ako( pronounced uku by the ebiras),igarra claim they were led by a man called uno from where they got the name etuno( land of uno) ,I believe that this uno is actually onu which ogoris also have in its history that was the first remembered man to lead them and the oldest clan in OGORI is called onu( ogoris are also called onumu,by ekpe)

Deadlytruth:
Well, I have been hearing that Ogori people are ancestrally from Ile Ife and that what they speak is a dialect of Yoruba. But now that you are saying otherwise, then you could have superior facts as a native. So could you please expatiate further? Which of the Akoko-Edo ethnicities is Ogori. Are they Okpameri, Uneme or Igarra or any other one which is none of these three?

Most of the titles and festivals in Akoko-edo and even igbirra were borrowed from OGORI etc,ukpe,the oke maiden festivals,EMA masquerade, the guitarlike instruments women play( called okitoroko in ogori),some titles including uboro,OTARO( called otaru in Akoko-edo, wrongly thought to be of Nupe origin),oseku or (ohieku in ebira).

Deadlytruth:
Well, I have been hearing that Ogori people are ancestrally from Ile Ife and that what they speak is a dialect of Yoruba. But now that you are saying otherwise, then you could have superior facts as a native. So could you please expatiate further? Which of the Akoko-Edo ethnicities is Ogori. Are they Okpameri, Uneme or Igarra or any other one which is none of these three?

OGORI language is not in anyway a dialect of Yoruba,its not even a yoruboid language, it's a stand alone language ( you can Google it), its a full fledged language called oko not related to Yoruba at all.Many modern ogorians like to say it's a dialect of Yoruba to foist on themselves Yoruba identity because they realise we probably have no tribal relations.the claim that ogori is ancestrally from ile-ife is speculative and is probably false.


So here is the thing.
Ogori is a very very ancient tribe and the real origin and background of ogori is in reality largely unknown ,lost or shrouded in secrecy.

But going by some history books written by indigenes one mentioned that OGORI origin started from ile-ife, then they went to Benin,then as far as idomaland then returned after many years through ajaokuta, atte,ikpeshi- then through okpe,entering owo in yorubaland and ikpesi- akoko( yorubaland) before finally going on to settling were they are today.I posit than ile-ife claim is just to give ogori a beginning, but they might actually in reality have started migrating from the jukun/ idomoid area.

The other claims ogori is akokogbangiri,native to its immediate environs(that is part of the aboriginal Akoko-edo groups).

From the above summaries,my conclusions being a native is that the first OGORIs( because ogori has an older clan which are acclaimed as the host group) are actually aboriginal,an autochonos group indigenous to Akoko-edo, igbirra zone,and were among the first ancient settlers there,along with the uneme (before the main stock of igbirra and Benin migrants), then they were later joined by migrating stock from the east (probably a somewhat igbirra/jukunoid stock- though ogorians deny any relationship with the igbirra) ,before the arrivals of Benin migrants to the zone.

It will interest you to note that,many of the okpameri towns actually have aboriginal roots from ogori,eg somorika/ semolika and onumu are originally from ogori before they were joined by Benin stock,bekuma( otase and ubelen) are also originally ogori clans,lampese also has ogori groups( akusumeme),ogori clans are also present in ososo( the ani,which is recognised in ososo has the oldest clan),they are also in makeke and ojah( these one migrated to ojah,they aren't aborigines),ekpe are also aboriginally part of OGORI

Deadlytruth:
You are indeed welcome my brother.

The same issues OGORI is facing,many of fellow modern ogorians think they have Yoruba roots because of their Yoruba surnames,but it's only a recent phenomenon, OGORI are actually the aborigines of the Akoko-edo, igbirra zone

care4you:
there are things humans can't change, and this is one of them....


Abuja will never have the power to compete with Lagos....


our colonizers made that way....

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On what criteria do you make your conclusions, Abuja is thriving very well

phantomxx:
That's what they forget but their leaders know. You see those seaports? Na im be the "Lagos" una dey hear about 😂...

That's why through wicked policies, they northern-western axis made sure the Eastern ports never worked optimally. They know if ports in the east work, Lagos dies!

The truth is,the LAGOS seaport is the assurance for the north.

They are afraid, a thriving sea port in the east,might pose danger to them in a crises situation.

They feel safer with the Yoruba than the East,the Biafra seccessation with a thriving seaport is their ever present nightmare.

care4you:
Abuja will never come close to Lagos....


don't even compare.


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Abuja is getting there and probably already there ,the seaport is the only thing saving LAGOS nothing else

Biodun556:
Only 10% of Lagos was Lagos colony. And that is Lagos island

This is another Yoruba lie that will never be allowed to fly,you Yorubas want to use lies to change generational history, all of LAGOS was the capital,there was no place out of bounds in LAGOS for the colonial and federal government. It's like saying only aso rock is the capital of Nigeria not Abuja or the whole FCT.

You should quit lying

The whole Lagos,down to Sango,up to ikorodu was Nigerias capital

CodeTemplar:
You dont control your population by reducing birth rate when migrants are trooping in from the north with cattles, cows and cars.

That is part of population control, the migrants from the north needs to be stopped.

What am essentially is that Nigeria needs to start having a focus on population control generally in all ways

God bless cardinal onaiyekan

MossadAgent:
As long as Dangote has obligations to his international investors and lenders, it's a net negative.


Capital flight and a scenario where Nigerians will pay higher than neighbouring African countries will persist just as was the case with Dangote cement. Nigerians were subsidizing Dangote cement inroads into neighbouring African countries.

Dangote flooded the west African market with cheaper cement while the Nigerian consumer paid the subsidy on it. This was because Dangote needed FX to complete his refinery and pay his institutional investors and lenders.

The only solution would have been modular refineries and the total unbundling of the NNPC .

But in the case of dangote cement, don't you think, Nigeria paying the opportunity cost for a Nigerian company to dominate Africa is worth it?

Nigeria to pay higher but it's tentacles dominate Africa,it might pay of longterm

DevilsEqual:


Lagos was wholly built by the Western Regional Govt. Awolowo is up there as one of the best ever

As for Calabar and Enugu, they are a true reflection of the locals

God bless King Dosunmu and Kosoko. All their actions laid the solid background for what we are seeing about Lagos in 2024

You are a lier,these Yoruba lies will never ever fly.

FG made LAGOS not Awolowo

DevilsEqual:
Whats beauty are u talking about?

We are talking about generating IGR, providing job opportunity and many more direct life impact on the citizen

If Lagos cease to exist today, Most would still settle in Ogun or Oyo for employment and trade opportunities ahead of Calabar

Na fine city u wan chop?


The reasoning of an average Igbo person is worrying

Yorubas have no more impact in LAGOS as any other tribe.

FG made LAGOS

All Nigerians have sustained the legacy

Seefinish:
Why don't you also compare Lokoja with Lagos? Lokoja was also FCT

Lokoja was never anything, lugard only stayed in lokoja at a point as he stayed in zungeru in Niger state

LAGOS was capital for 77 years,Calabar was capital of southern protectorate for just 6 years.

Like comparing an elderly man to a toddler.haba mana.

Abuja as been capital for 33 years and is doing better than Lagos already

After several ECONOMIC experts have been preaching all these years about how dangote refinery will transform NIG

Manager001:
Shifting goal post

Have always maintained this

Skooltynz:
Then we divide simple

Yes,I wish we could do this,its the easiest solution for NIG

Jogs1900:
Put the blame on all the major tribes na

The major tribes are the big contributory factor in Nigerias stagnation due to their bad cultural practices and issues

Skooltynz:
Bro if you mean well for Nigeria as you claim then stop mentioning tribes and talk about Nigerians instead because you are bringing division already by mentioning tribes.

The mention Nigeria is deceiving a lot people and enabling cover up of inadequacies.

I mention tribes because a lot of issues in Nigeria is cultural,not political,and until we deal with does cultural issues which is embedded in tribes we will be wasting time.

The APC,( Yoruba/ Hausa-fulani) communist agenda. This is their guiding light and goal

Manager001:
Tribes not a particular tribe again?

The 3 major tribes of Nigeria

Population control should be an urgent matter for Nigerian tribes,most tribes are just populated for nothing.

Producing nonentities to the system.

The various Nigerian cultures that emphasises marriage should be eroded.

Individuality should be encouraged

People should be encouraged to marry late

It is time for Nigeria to produce more of goods and services instead of children.

If this cannot be done,then most Nigerian tribes should forget about the uplifting of the black race.

Nigeria will be forever be a disgrace to the WORLD
A smear,and a mockery.

Tough decisions shouldn' be only ECONOMIC but cultural.

Nigerian culture especially of the major tribes is the Achilles heel of Nigeria.

The major tribes of Nigeria are Nigerias weakness