@God son2009

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so the sun actually rises then??so out of curiousity do you pray towards the sun looking down or up??

LMAO

Did you read my question or probably avoiding it:

Sorry sir. We do not bow down to the sun and if you have your fact, let me have it and I am also asking you that

who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west
Is not up?

Could you please provide answers to the above?

and you think this hollow explanation with some mundane hadiths wash with me??you must be kiddng sire, he advocated for the beating of women and you are ptrobably the first muslim i have ever seen dispute this shows the delusion in which you have approached islam and i am the blind follower

He did not and there are several hadiths on that as well. You are not being sincere to yourself. Your problem is lack of arabic knowledge.

theres no need to i dont want to bother you sire lol,a perusal of your book of confusion will immediately highlight the biblical stories therein with the names changed ibrahim-abraham,isa-isaac, abrahaam and his faith in trying to sacrifice his son which the muslims have hinged on as their sallah celebrations e.t.c
dont worry about any list as long as we are both agreed that christianity was around before mohammad originated his religion of islam and secondly that it takes an original for a copy to emerge

You should be bold enough to provide that if you are honest yourself and your religion. Just let me have your claim and you should know that I have not been following your posts, as such did not see where you posted your facts and would appreciate if you could just copy and paste for me to see.

im sorry i cant help you on that if you cant make the effort to simply check my earlier comments and find them,you are leaning back relaxing on your own chair and u expect me to bust my chops repeating myself and re cycling and looking for the verses i have already posted severally a simple check will reveal if i am lieing or telling the truth

Just like what I said up. If you had actually generated what you claimed to have posted from your brain, it would not be too difficult to do a reposte unless you might lifted them from one of your dilusional websites and could not lay hands where you got them.

a simple check in your quran for the 65;4 and then corellate it with the specific comment i made will highlight the pertinent facts so why are you ranting without any cause

This is what I have

4. Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who are pregnant, their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make things easy for them.

Any relationship?

i made an assertion and a simple yes or no will suffice.i said the female muslims have to cover themselves and i need a yes or no answer however
quran 24;31 ll answer your questions adequately.

And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful

quran 33;59, O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful

Calm down. You can never know the Quran more than I do. Dude, you know if we decide to accept what you are grasping at, it means those not covering their eyes are sinners huh. Could you show me where it says it is a sin not to cover the eyes.

When you are able to, I would dig deep into the verses that are giving you nightmare.

while i acknowledge these verses unlike muslims who are still suffering from delusions,,the bible does not simply rest on its oars and the same apostle paul went further to tell christians in ephesians 5;25-end that

WAIT . It seems you have nothing to say to the exposure provided up . You could see that women are not given the authority to preach or stand preaching in the church just as we are having churches where husband and wives deliver sermon.

exodus 15;20, prophetess miriam, 20 Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.

prophetess deborah, judges 4;4-5, 4 Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [a] Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided.

prophetess huldah, 2nd kings 22;14, 14 Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Acbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.
for clarification ,
2nd kings 34;22, Hilkiah and those the king had sent with him went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tokhath, [c] the son of Hasrah, [d] keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.

new testament,
luke 2;36
prophetess anna, There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage

prophetess noadiah, nehemiah 6;14b, remember also the prophetess Noadiah and the rest of the prophets who have been trying to intimidate me.

.Na wa o. Who made them prophets? You further exposed the fraud in that book. Where was it written that God sent the above mentioned and if we are going to accept partly your claimec up, dont you think that it contradicted what your Paul said that:


"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[b] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law[/b]. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Do we say Paul lied or that they were not prophetess and that there was no law as said by Paul. It is not even new as we are having prophetess in many so called house of GOD. . RFLMAO .

When you finish deceiving yourself, we would unveil the so called [b]'prophetess' as ordained by God. I still dey kampe

hmmn,i see, for the benefit of those of us who dont have a simple comprehension of english could you give us the reasons why women were not complete or qualified enoughto lead the men in prayers if they have been gifted in islamic/quranic knowledge?thanks lol that is why i came to the conclusion that the only reason i wouldnt allow anyone to lead me in prayers is if my prayers wont be answered or their prayers over me wont be answered, waiting,

Thou shall not lie. This is your post I responded to:

she is not allowed to lead the men in prayers,she is not allowed to sit with the men even her son in the privacy of her own hhome and has o retire to the back of the house e.t.c

So?

i have read the verses,and i also read the verses of the quran where the woman or female's are treated as being less than the men example,
quran 2;23, Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear God. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.
in other words,your wives are like an article or a property to you,so while slave trade has ended several hundred years ago,women in islam are still under a perpetual slave ownersip basis,

This is what I have in verse 23:

23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. [b][/b]

Na wa o

im tired of this childish bosom for tat, simply answer my question do you pray looking downwards or upwards or sidewayssimple!!!

You would always be tired when you have no response to give to my questions

@Godson2009

sire,i have to admit at this point that it is mentally frustrating having a debate with you,are you askig me to state the obvious?do you bow down to the sun while praying or not do you use the moon in sightings for your religious celebrations or not??isnt that deifying the sun and moon

Sorry sir. We do not bow down to the sun and if you have your fact, let me have it and I am also asking you that

who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west
Is not up?

quran 4;34,
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great


muslim hadith 4;2127 how your prophet lovingly takes care of his beloved aisha, Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission.  Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

i have more where this came from,

I dont even need to interprete the above but you need to first understand the arabic word used for 'struck' and when you are able to, then you will get the clearer picture of it. The Holy Prophet has not struck someone except in battle field

You may read these for further clarification

"Whoever strikes his slave in the face or beats him unjustly, his expiation is to manumit him." Narrated from Ibn `Umar by Muslim in his Sahih.

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.   (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

the stories of the prophets in the bible was wayy before mohammad was born, the old testament sections of the bible he blantantly stole and gummed to his man made religion for validation if u want proof read the old testament!!

Really? You may start from Genesis to Malachi and let me have them. Are you referring to story of Adam or the 5 books you blindly claimed was penned down by Moses in which he wrote his obituary and another prophet that you claimed wrote the revelation and might have written his obituary as well? Maybe you are still referring to where God ate with Moses and the rest. I have list of them (you know I was blind like you).

i have severally done that by posting verses of the quran and hadiths i cant help it if you are delusional sire

I have not seen them and you could do that for please

you see why i am mentally frustrated debating with you??if you were that knowledgeable about your quran you should obviously have relised i meant 6;54 not 654

Go siddon. Your bible does not teach you to lie . Why not say it is supposed to be 65:4? Know your bible very well before trying to debate my religion with me. 

no they are not,unless you are carving out a new law different from the sharia go and read sayyid qtb's milestones and what he says about his trip to america and dressings

I can see that you are just grasping at strays .Could you provide me the hadith that says you must compulsorily cover yourself from head to toe including your eyes.

I want to learn from you.

i dont have a monopoly on biblical knowledge,please prove your assertions by posting the relevant biblical verses same as i have done anytime i raise any allegation concerning islam

i have not come across this in my bible,however because i am a fair and reasonable man,i will give you the benefit of doubt, pls post the verses in the new testament where that is thanks

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

i will ask you directly if that is the justification for gender inequality in islam
so yes or no do women have the mental capacity to be prophets or not?
is it possibl for GOD to use a woman in islam to do his work or not??i await your responce

Do not use question to answer question . I asked, 'was there any female messenger/prophet? If not, where do these women get their inspiration from when they were told to remain silent?

in other words,you are inferring that your own allah does not answer the prayers of your women when they pray?

Are you saying you do not understand simple English Language ? There is a difference between leading in prayers and not answering prayers 

or are you saying that there is an orer of haierachy in your own allah answering prayers first man second male children 3rd wife last female children,

Comprehension problem

imagine what kind of life a female in islam will be living all her life, i dont know what church you are reffering to but as far as i am concerned and as a born again and broken christian,my own girlfriend will only wear a skirt that covers her knee,she will not wear a sleeveless dress and she will cover her head when inside the church,and she knows the man is the head of the house,in spite of that we jointly make decisions we sit side by side and we give each other mutual respect,and lastly she is free and unhibited to fulfill and achieve her full potential without any gender bias

Read the verses please and get in touch.



one of the abrogated verses, the vmedinan verse that abrogated the meccan verse concerning jihad of the sword, quran 2;191

satanic verses where mohammad was venerating pagan gods in mecca,  quran 53;19-22
Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division
in continuation and conclusion here is where mohammad acknowledged his folly, quran 17;73, And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend

Na wa. You are one of those that trade this world for hereafter. You try to stop people from seeing the truth but na lie o, truth has come, falsehood has perished

19. Have ye seen Lát. and Ùzza,

20. And another, the third (goddess), Manát?

21. What! for you the male intimacy, and for Him, the female?

22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what the souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! [/b]


Read the last verse (23) for understanding.

Quran 17 v 72-73 is even for you could not see the truth and wants to lead muslims astray:


72. But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.[b]

73. And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend![/b]

true or false??simple

False,who do we pray to when the sun is not up?

Quote from: babs787 on March 18, 2010, 06:23 PM
Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

true or false sire??

False. I asked you question sir. Do not try to play smart.

i asked you a question but you did not answer it, as usual

Where is the question? Should I tag you Coward and an escapist

and what do you call all that i have been giving you since??validation for islam?? 

Allegation without proof

[b]Note, this is still here for you:


Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?
you want me to address this,when you are yet to conclusiely address a single issue we have been debating about?/what cheek!!!   

Has your friend not provided the answer or you have realised but do not want to accept the truth.

Note; When debating, kindly support it with hadith or verses from Quran as I woud always provide you verses from your book to support my post.

@Godson2009

im sure and i hope yo will agree with me that there isnt much debate  in your retort all you keep on doing is making open ended and nebulous comments rather than committing yourself to a stance,when you alledged that you were the repository of knowledge on islam i though you will be a welcome challenge having tackled your elders in islam i.e alhaji olabowale,nopqueater and they gave me a good debate,they never shied away from any single issue neither did they make open ended retorts like you are doing,i have highlighted hadiths and qurans backing my main assertions up namely gender inequality,intolerance and violence in islam,i have highighted the quranic verses of the satanic verse,same as  one of the abrogated verse or jihad but you have not deemed it fit to disprove it nor show me the contradictions you keep making empty pchallenges to publish,i dont have time to open a thread because you simply are no match sire the same thing you wrote in the first comment you replied to is the same thing you wrote here, in order for you to get an idea of what i am on about please check my past threads where i and olabowale have debated issues in the religion section or me and others who are more knowledgeable in thethe quran than you are.

Oga, I know your type and I am used to your infantile debate. I perused your posts  and did not see where you have been able to argue/debate intelligently but prefer going in circles. You brought allegation which you could not substantiate and when you were told that your allegations are all lies and requested for your proof, you claimed that someone is making open ended comments.

You should have your  if you can not defend or post your claim here.

I am still saying all you posted are lies and if you are truthful, kindly post your proof and we move on.

@Godson2009

am i really lol i have my reasons for saying so,uplawal a.k.a titialayo said same thing but i always like to break issues down to the barest basics,therefore please if you were a christian
1.were you a broken and born again christian?i hope you realise this are two different terms,or were you a sunday sunday christian?
what church ,parish did you attend?
before i make my own retorts thank you

I am not perturbed in you believing me or not as long as God is my witness.

its suprising and funny a muslim is talking about context here,seeing as you same muslims are the regular culprits at quoting bible verses out of context

That shows that you have a long way to go in understanding your bible and the book of peter said there is no secret interpretation of the words.

i dont have a monopoly on knowledge of both books i.e the holy bible and the book of confusion quran,but i can tell you with every sense of responsibility and humility that i have read enough of the quran,and the bible to know your book is frought with contradictions,confusions and double speak,when u chat with uplawal,ask her to tell u if i have a knwledge of the quran or not

Oga, spare me the time. Let me have your claim or you create a thread where we analyse that

sire,by all means please open the thread and i will gladly debate every single point to a conclusive end with yyou,with all humility my academic research was done on justifications of islamic terrorism ,history of islam and for me to get a final score of 71 which is a first class in a british university i am sure you will agree i know what i am saying,

You started with your allegation and should deem it fit to create a thread for that. You should be able to support your claim with facts and not just story telling. When you are ready Mr God son , set the ball rolling and we would if you really know about your book let alone mine.

if i get a jb i am pursuing now about research studies in nigerian/west african terrorism i will let you know , i am still learning as a budding academic but one thing i am sure is that i can prove and defend every single assertion i have made about islam,not only that i have defended those points severally on this same section and religion sections,ask your friend uplawal,abuzola,olabowale e.t.c i have thrown the challenge to you now i ll be waiting for that thread

I dont have time for this sir. You said many things about my religion which I said you should provide facts and if I were you, I would have furnish same sharp sharp.

I am still chalenging you here since you started the argument to furnish me your facts and we dance along.

i am ready sire,lets go there like they will say in naija

Open a thread for you and I or you furnish me your facts here.

yes he was,because he got the mandate and the commission from his father in heaven to come on earth and die for the sins of the world,

Please let me have the verse(s) he was told that.

his coming was also fore told by prophets,and men of GOD even before he was born,secondly he was a GOD the son of the almighty albeit a smaller GOD to his father

Let me have the prophecies please (hope you have asked your big brothers you met here etc and some of your sisters about me )

because e felt pain,like every normal human being remember he came "in human form" not in supernatural form hence he felt pain,he felt emotion,he cried he loved e.t.c

Please, do not try to feed me. I said why did he shout, 'my God why has thou forsaken me"? What was he forsaken for?

i am not a medical doctor so i will have to get back to you on that after i quickly ask my gf who is one pls bear with me
But it did not he was crucified huh? If they crucify someone and he did not die, would you still say he was crucified?

Waiting for your doctor's response.

no i wouldnt,but fortunately this is a moot point because he was cruxified,however if you have evidence "in the bible" to show otherwise then feel free to share with everyone here

Did he die on the cross? I need a YES or No response


Thanks

@Uplawal

okay Alhaji Babs,when you wake up pls let me know okay?its very important o,Asalamu Alekum

I am very sorry sweet sister. Let us talk, you have my details.

@Godson2009

lol remember what ther bible says so many will call master master but he will deny them,are you sure your christian reverts where not muslims camouflaging as christians in the firs place?so he is a pastor i challenge him to name his church and parish i can bet you it is neither known nor reputable he s prolly a celestial or c and s pastor

Oga, you a newbie here. You should ask your brothers and sisters here,my posts speak for me. If I lie, you are not God, so leave to judge.

I am sure you would not have read and still reading the bible like I do. If you look at the above verse you are trying to cite, Jesus was talking to you Christians because you ignored his teachings and took to Pauline Christianity. I bet you do not know what christianity is all about. I have been there, ardent member and you should know the difference between the christianity of then and the one practised by you today.

Do you know your bible to even challenge and can you even challenge me to the Quran and Bible.

If you think you have the liver and knows the bible and Quran, create a thread for only you and I and we thrash out issues with facts.

If you are ready, signigy your acceptance and we ride on.

sister titialayo,i am not an unbeliever,i believe that jesus died for both me and your and abuzola's sins,and he has washed away all our sins,all he is asking of you is to confess your sins and be born again and live a holy and blameless life.

Oga you left my question unaswered when you claimed he died for you.

Is he aware of his coming to die?
Why did he shout on the cross?
Can blood gush from the dead?

jesus has already died and ascended into heaven as for the holy quran i have gotten the yusuf ali translation and i have read it,same as the bible and i can tell you that islam will lead you no other way but straight to hell.i am praying for you and i can bet you that you will still revert back to christianity once you see what a true born again and broken christian is compared to islam.

But it did not he was crucified huh? If they crucify someone and he did not die, would you still say he was crucified?


Welcome to my world

@Godson2009

when praying,what do you face if not the sun and then bowing down to it,unless you are asserting that your allah only sits down where the sun is lol,you use the moon in this day and age for your sallah celebs,ou have the symbol on your minarets

Oga, kindly provide the facts and let us move on. Could you please provide where we worship moon and sun?

muslim men are enjoined to beat them if they are disobedient,they are never to mount the pulpit to preach no matter how learned they are in the intricacies of the quran,they cannot sit down with the men even husbands,in praying they are at the back i have the quranic verses and hadiths but its late and i have to go get some sleep

When you wake up, kindly supply me the needed facts.

lol chain of transmission indeed where u there when the hadiths were written so apart from relying on the testimonies of those who adjudge them freliable or unreliable how do you know because the way it is tested is mostly guess work

Oga, are you really up to the task? Common, be a man and spill the facts.

yes i do and i know mohammad in trying to validate his man made religion plagliarised a substantial portion of the bible

Let me have your plagiarization.

now i know you r just having me on if you are asking this

Substantiate your allegation.

you need to go and learn about fistula sire,while doing that read quran 654 where your prophet was allowing the divorce of prepubescent

Quran 654 ? When we have 114 chapters in the Quran. Oga, are you up to the task?

in every facet of the islamic way of life,women are not allowed to show their eyes,they have to be all covered up just like the times of racial segregation where whites and blacks had a seperate entrances to the restaurant,same is happening in your religion true or true?lol

What every facet?
What of those having them uncovered, are they not muslims?

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she is not allowed to lead the men in prayers,she is not allowed to sit with the men even her son in the privacy of her own hhome and has o retire to the back of the house e.t.c

Lead men in prayers? Let me start from your bible, do you read it in an upside down position? Did your bible not preach against women speaking and preaching in public places? Did your bible not say that women shoud remain silence and ask only their husband at home whatever they feel like asking?Is there any female messenger/Prophet from the lists God sent? Why would a female lead male in prayers? You read your bible but go against its teachings and that is the reason we have some advocating it while go against it. Churches now indulge in what congregation loves to hear 'prosperity' and does not have time for dressing, faith and other things that would profit you in the hereafter.

start from abrogated verses especially on fighting unbelievers,satanic verses e.t.c

Post them here and let us view them together

you pray towards the sun and bow down true or false?

The sun rises in the East and set in the West huh? So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

i agree but they have moved on to using the internet,does tthe fact that they used to kill twins in the olen days justify moslems killing and bombings?

Thank you for admitting that. Please does that mean they worshipped the moon?

i dont need to,the inherent falsehood in the quran and islam is doing it all for me without lifting a finger

Please, let us address the issue with maturity. I would appreciate you giving your facts and not just story telling sir.

okie but all you have done is to post short open ended retorts you have not even scratched the surface in trying to conclusivelyjustify the assertions i have raised

Oga, in case you you do not know me, kindly search for my name and read all my posts. I debate with facts, verses from both books.

I do not need to pre-empt you. You brought allegation and should be bold enough to give me facts and when you do that, I will provide rebuttal with verses from both books.


Note, this is still here for you:


Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?

Salam Sister, we will discuss.

@Godson2009

u called me godson today you must be in a good mood i wrote the same thing he wrote.are you threatening me or you r planning to make a quick trip to ijebu?dont worry i am covered by the blood of jesus and i invite you to come under back under that umbrella of grace too, we r waiting for you

Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?

@Godson2009

we call moslems ignorant because they worship multiple gods the moon+the sun+kaaba e.t.c

Could you please show me the verses where Muslims worship the above?

we call moslems ignorant because their women are still being treated like slaves

Proof please and I will post part from your people claiming to be inspired. Oya, start.

we call moslems ignorant because their women are still being objectified with justification from the quran and
hadiths.

Show me please with verses from the Quran, Hadith and chain of transmission.

we call moslems ignorant because they dont seem to comprehend what we are comprehending in their quran i.e the confusions,contradictions

Feed me please. Hope you know your bible very well before posting the above statement.

we call moslems ignorant because even though they have not been able to defend or justify the many acts of wickedness,destruction mohammad committed while on earth they still gullibly follow his warped doctrines and religion.

Fact please and we will see which is warped.

we call moslems ignorant because their old men cause female children untold gyneacological pains by defiling a baby girl and forcing them to have children they are not old enouh to bear thereby causing untold permanent damage.

Ok. could you please spill that out? I mean facts. Baby girl

we call muslims ignorant because they are still living in the ston ages, women sit at the back,never show your face in public while the men can.

Expantiate please because I dont know what you are driving at.

we call moslems ignorant because what a man can do,a woman must not even try it talk less of doing better.

Like what sir?

we call moslems ignorant because their quran and hadiths is crock full of contradictions,lies half truths

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Feed me please.

explain and justify to us the significance of bowing down to the sun before accusing us of worshipping 3 GODS

Let me have it from the Quran or Hadith where we worship son.

explain to us the significance of using the moon for your sightings in the era of internet and satellite in space if not a ritualistic religious observance before accusing us of worshipping three GODS.

Ignorance is really a disease. It seems this guy does not know how even Nigerians used to count days using moon then. Back in the village, they used moon to calculate days and there is a verse in the Quran that supports that.

Gather your tory well well uncle

explain to us the significance of the gender inequality and why mohammad stole,killed innocent people,slept with a 9 years old,plotted assasination,and spoke from tboth sides of his mouth resulting in contradictions and lies before accusing us of worshipping THREE GODS

Facts please dude and let us get started and when done, you and I would go into your book and compare the allegations levelled up.

Good day

@Davidylan

The quran is nothing but a spiritually empty plagiarism of the bible. What it has to say is as worthless as the paper it is written on. I dont fear anything it has to say

Please sir, kindly feed me part of the plagiarization . I want to learn from my erudite scholar.

ofcource is only meaningless to NOETIC and meaninigful to other readers

Pain in Noetic' ass as usual

@T.truth

Take your time, Muslims are not terrorists

nice one,

but u did not complete it,

what if someone see's a white cow, black goat, one in the river and many more?

may be i can help later,

Jazakahllah Khairan

Babygirl,you would not have to wait for long because I will join you soonest. Maa salam

Salam All

Amin amin amin amin amin amin amin amin amin amin 

Thank you thank you thank you for your brotherly and sisterly support

Still loading, would soon be back with full force

@Uplawal @ Muhsin

@all,PLS WHERE IS BABS787,we cant just keep quiet about him, i feel his absence,may Allah be with him wherever he maybe rightnow(amin)

Babs and Mustay. . .

Salam my dearest brother and sweet sister. Thank you so much for remembering me and May Allah continue to be there for you always.

I have been very very very busy lately and would soon be back fully.

May Allah continue to increase your knowledge as you keep this thread moving.


Jazakallah Khairan

Can Tpia or Aloy-emeka tell me the topic for discussion rather than this diversion .

Tpia, you dont need this, you are very civil.

Aloy-emeka, you are also a matured big boy.

Do away with that and let us move on.

@Mazaje

It only shows that the over 1 billion people that practice the religion were gullible enough to subscribe to the LIE. . . By the way over 99 percent of moslems were indoctrinated since childhood when they could not make any decision of their own and they were forced to accept its teachings as the ultimate truth without challenging it at all. . . .

Go siddon somewhere, my family and myself were not coerced, forced or whatever into accepting Islam.

Happy Sallah

Excellence of the Day of Arafah

Arafah, which is the ninth day of the month of Dhul-Hijjah, is the greatest day of the entire year. Fasting that day (for those not performing Hajj) is strongly recommended, as the Prophet (peace be upon him) taught us that[b] “Fasting the day of Arafah causes forgiveness of the sins of the previous year and coming year” [/b] [Muslim]. I remember reading the story of a lady who reverted to Islam a couple of years ago, and how eager she was to encounter the day on which fasting results in forgiving two whole years.

Another hadith tells us that forgiveness on Arafah is for those who take control of their hearing, sight and tongue. For this reason, it is good to perform i'tikaf (remaining in the mosque) on the day of Arafah. Arafah is also the best day of the year for reading Qur’an.

It is very important to note that there is no day better in the sight of Allah than the Day of `Arafah. On this day Allah descends to the nearest heaven, and He is proud of His slaves on the earth and says to those in heaven, “Look at My servants. They have come from far and near, with hair disheveled and faces covered with dust, to seek My mercy, even though they have not seen My chastisement.”

Jabir reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The ten days of the month of Dhul Hijjah are the best days in the sight of Allah.” A man asked, “Are these days better than an equivalent number of days that are spent fighting for the cause of Allah?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) answered, “They are better than an equivalent number of days spent fighting in the cause of Allah. And there is no day better in the sight of Allah than the Day of `Arafah. On this day Allah, the Almighty and the Exalted One, descends to the nearest heaven, and He is proud of His slaves on the earth and says to those in heaven, ‘Look at My servants. They have come from far and near, with hair disheveled and faces covered with dust, to seek My mercy, even though they have not seen My chastisement. Far more people are freed from the Hellfire on the Day of `Arafah than on any other day. ’” Al-Mundhri said that this hadith was reported by Abu Ya`la,

Al-Bazzar, Ibn Khuzaymah, and Ibn Hibban, in whose wording it is given here.

Ibn Al-Mubarak reported from Sufyan Ath-Thawri, from Az-Zubayr ibn `Ali, from Anas ibn Malik that he said: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) spent the day at `Arafah until almost sunset. Then he said, “O Bilal, ask the people to be quiet and listen to me.” Bilal stood up and asked the people to be quiet and listen to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). When the people were quiet, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O people, a little while ago Gabriel (peace and blessings be upon him) came to me. Gave me salutations from Allah and informed me that Allah has forgiven those who spend the Day at `Arafah and those who stop at Al-Mash`ar Al-Haram, and that He has guaranteed their debts.”

At this `Umar ibn Al-Khattab stood up and asked, “O Allah’s Messenger, is this for us only?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “This is for you and for all those who will come after you until the Day of Judgment.” `Umar exclaimed, “How plentiful and blissful Allah’s bounties are!”

Muslim and others have reported from `A’ishah that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Allah frees far more people from Hellfire on the Day of `Arafah than on any other day, and Allah comes closer this day and proudly says to the angels, ‘What do these people want and seek?’”

Abu Ad-Darda reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “On no other day does the Satan feel so belittled, humiliated, and angry as he does on the Day of `Arafah.” The reason for this is the mercy of Allah that descends (this day) and the forgiveness that He grants to people for major sins, except the day of the Battle of Badr, which witnessed a far greater mercy of Allah descending upon people, which caused great sadness to Satan.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was asked, “O Prophet of Allah, what did Satan see on the day of the Battle of Badr?” “He saw Gabriel leading the troops of angels,” he replied (Reported by Malik and Al-Hakim).

The tenth day of Dhul-Hijjah is Eid ul Adha on which fasting is forbidden.

All Muslims should take great care to make sure that they use their special opportunities given by Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) to us, and not miss them as once they are gone it will be regretted. When our life will end, only Allah knows so we should try to get as much rewards as possible, especially on the days when the reward is multiplied by many times. Never think you have done enough good, my brother and sisters, for never can you do enough good for the sake of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

I pray to Allah to guide us to the very best during these days. Ameen.

@mavenbox

As I already explained to you, there was progressive revelation knowledge. The OT people could not have known about the term "trinity" but they definitely interacted with the Trinity e.g. Abraham and Sarai were visited by three "men" who turned out to be "like angels" but in their communication they delivered God's promises to him, and I ALREADY gave other examples in earlier posts above. Sorry I am quite busy now. Maybe i will come back and update this post. Cheers.

If you have done that, I would not be requesting for same again. Go through your posts yourself and bring out verses where OT prophets preached that. I just need verses please and when you are able to, I would then explain all you posted as explanations.

For quick reference, this is the link you thought you explained and answered my questions, you may go through and bring the verses out for me
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-352961.32.html

@Mavenbox

1. Did any OT prophets preach Trinity?

I dont need to tell about my knowledge in Bible and Christianity as a whole. I asked you a question and expected you to tell me verses where prophets before Jesus preached that. I also read prop[hecies linked to some that were not meant to be. I wouldnt want to go into that but please give me veses where those before Jesus preached that. When we are through, we will go into your response to my second question where you quoted Isaiah but forgot to read the read from the biginning that it was not for whom you thought. I perused but read you hiding behind Genesis without proper knowledge.

So please let me have the verses and we move one.

Please, no lenghty stories but facts with verses to support same

Upon us now are the best ten days of the year


Upon us now are the best ten days of the year. There are no other days more rewarded than these ten. They are the first ten days of the Islamic month Dhul-Hijjah. Unfortunately many of us do not know and let them fly by,

If there were some great sale advertising ridiculously low prices you will find many of us there waiting on long lines just to get such great deals. Well we should all hurry to catch this great sale that Allah is advertising. “It’s all come all served!”

The Prophet Mohamed (peace and blessings be upon him) said: There are no days in which righteous deeds are more beloved to Allah than these ten days." The people asked, "Not even Jihad for the sake of Allah?" He said, "Not even Jihad for the sake of Allah, except in the case of a man who went out to fight giving himself and his wealth up for the cause, and came back with nothing (Bukhari).

Subhanallah, how merciful is our Lord. So what can we do? One could read Quran, read things to increase our Iman, help our Muslim neighbor, give charity (even a smile is charity), volunteer at our masjid, fast, dhikr (remembering Allah), etc

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “There are no days more loved to Allah for you to worship Him therein than the ten days of Dhul-Hijja. Fasting any day during it is equivalent to fasting one year and to offer salatul Tahajud (late night prayer) during one of its nights is like performing the late night prayer on (Lailatulqadr) the night of power”.

So if we can why not at least try to fast one day during these days so we would have one year fasting on our bank records towards the purchase of the next life.

Ibn Abbas said that the ayah[b]: “Remember Allah during the well known days,”(2:203) refers to the first ten days of Dhul-Hijja. We should perform a lot of Tahleel (saying “La illaha illa Allah”), Takbeer (“Allahu Akbar”) and Tahmeed (“Alhamdu Lillah”) etc[/b]. This is what the Prophet (peace be upon him) told us to do during these days. That’s not too much to ask from us and it is only for our own benefit. On the ninth day it will be the day of Arafat. We should all try to fast this day because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “It is an expiation for the sins of the preceding year and the current year.”

Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters in Islam, please do not let these days go by without getting on line for this great bargain that Allah the most high is giving away to all that come. May Allah forgive us all and have mercy on us all.

@focused

You are the greatest liar in this world. I am not surprise at all, Iying and deception is part and parcel of Islam.

Why not ask her grey area rather than your swift conclusion?

Can somebody pls tell me the attributes in Jesus which makes him a God.

I am interested too.




@focused

Where have you been ? Maybe all the months you did not write anything on Nairaland are forbidden months ?

Far from that. I am not like you that get banned every minutes for posting thrash. I went for a recess

Yeye boy @ blabs. Why are you Islamist good at denying facts and veracity. I no fit laugh O

Where is the fact sir Focused, my good friend?

@Mavenbox

Thank you for inviting me here and my question would start from doctrine of trinity. Mind, I do not like posting in this section apart form my own section but did that since you drew me here.

Please:

Is there any OT prophet that preached trinity and I would need the verse(s)?

If Jesus is God, who did he shout to that' My Lord, why has thou forsaken me?

If Jesus is God, why did he say that God is greater than him?

Kindly note this please:

In "The Dictionary of the Bible," John L. McKenzie, S.J., p. 899  bearing the Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur, and Imprimi Potest (official Church seals of approval), we read:

"THE TRINITY OF GOD IS DEFINED BY THE CHURCH AS THE BELIEF THAT IN GOD ARE THREE PERSONS WHO SUBSIST IN ONE NATURE. THAT BELIEF AS SO DEFINED WAS REACHED ONLY IN THE 4th AND 5th CENTURIES AD AND HENCE IS NOT EXPLICITLY AND FORMALLY A BIBLICAL BELIEF.

This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) Trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Jesus. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.

The Jews also reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity.  

Also note that this verse you normally hide under:

John 5 v 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Here is the explanation:

The above is in King James Version authorised in 1611 and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, 'the father, the word and the holy ghost; and these three are one' has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other bibles as it was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek test.

I john 5 v 7 and 8 in the New American Standard Bible read as follows; 'and it is the spirit who bears witness because the spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the spirit, and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement.

Also in the New World Translation of Holy Scriptures used by Jehovah Witness, you will find 'for there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement'.

Also

Dictionary of Religious Knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and engrafted on the Christian faith."

The Encyclopedia Americana comments: "Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.

Finally:

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me

John 12:49  For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 8:26  I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

John 14:24  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

1 Corinthians 11:3: Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is YHWH [Jehovah or Yahweh]

Ephesians 1:3-Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

1 Peter 1:3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Revelation 1:6 -Jesus has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.  

John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

I tell you the truth, w[b]hoever hears my word and believes him who sent me [/b] has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.  (John 5:24)"

Did he send himself?

I lifted the above from one of my responses to your friends here.

Here are my questions again:

1. Did any OT prophets preach Trinity?

2. Who did Jesus shout to that, why has thou forsaken me?

3. Who did he pray to more than two times and his sweat were like blood?

4. What did he mean when he said father is greater than him?

5. Did he send himself from the above verses?

6. Why is there forgiveness for the sin against son of man but no forgiveness against Holy Spirit?

em em em em


Take you time to reply and I would waiting to read verses supporting your response.

Have a lovely day.

@Mavenbox

Hope you are doing good.

please could you kindly post a question at a time and we address it becaue I can see that you know so much about religions and I love learning from your type but please I dont like stories, let it be precise with facts please from both books.

Looking forward to hearing from you.