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Bobbyaf:
Once again I appeal to you professed christians and muslems.

It does none of you any good to be boasting about this, and that. God can never be glorified in vain arguments about who is correct, and who is false.

Can a person's heavenly-mindedness be of any good unless he is also earthly good. How can we claim to represent God when we allow the enemy of souls, whether its moslems, or christians, to laugh at us scornfully?

thanks very much for your understanding. if only babyosis and the rest are like you.


[quote author=babyosisi link=topic=26125.msg676136#msg676136 date=1161967012]I asked you to read over them and ask God for an understanding.You sound very childish with all your silly questions,I cannot help you further,the answers are all in my posting and your contradictions do not exist.

What further do you need to know?About what the holy spirit is telling us,let's just say he is saying Muhammad was a murderous pedophile,lover of little helpless girls and rapist of helpless captives of war and no prophet of his.
I guess you now have an answer.

babyosis,

read your response yourself. who is replying with silly answers. dont you yoursef see that your writers failed in providing answers to the contradictions. uve seen the truth but beating about the bush? go throgh your writers' supposed response and see how they failed in answering/proving solution to the problems (in your bible).

are we here to discuss contradictions or muhammed (saw)?
dont change the topic pls[/quote]

davidylan:
@ bobbyaf

Ahem! "Great" words from you. Maybe its you who has to spend more time in study before hyperventilating in self righteousness!

@ Babs787, there are NO contradictions in those long tedious pieces you keep torturing our eyes with. It has more to do with either your inability to comprehend historical and contextual facts in the bible or inherent nature to keep ferreting out percieved contradictions in the bible!

very funny beings (davidylan, havila etc)

U CLAIMED there are contradictions, so the above are not contradictions (maybe slip of pen, calculation error etc) IN THE DIVINELY INSPIRATIONAL BOOK.

THAT IS A TORCH FOR YOU, MORE IS STILL COMING, U FAILED IN PROVIDING ANSWERS TO THE CONTRADICTIONS.

WATCH FOR MY COMING WRITE UPS.

SHINE YOUR EYES, ACCEPT THE RELIGION OF NATURE

( BY THE WAY WHERE IS BABYOSIS), AM STILL WAITING FOR HER TO CONTACT HER "SUPPOSSED WRITERS" IN FINDING SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE).

[b]havila. this what u said,

@babs,
You are really frustrating me with your poor handling. I think I actually over-estimated you. Are you a secondary school student? Dont take that as an 'abuse', it is just a curious question, if not then you must really be lazy. As a muslim, I know that independent scripture analysis is not one of your attirbutes, rather relying on whatever the Ustahs/Sheik/Imam said at your mosques.
So, your question is: what is the holy spirit saying about divorce, parents etc from the Bible aside what Jesus said? (a ridiculous but persistent questioning) This question is not correct is what I am saying, going by what Jesus said in the scriptures I quoted for you. Read it again:John 16, vs 12-15
"(12) I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. (13) But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. (14) He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. (15) All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. [/b]

THIS IS YOUR REPLY.

I MAY BE IN PRE-SCHOOL, PRIMARY SCHOOL ETC.AM VERY SURE IF YOU SEE ME ONE ON ONE YOU WONT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ME LIKE THAT, BUT THATS NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

ALSO WE MUSLIMS ARE NOT LIKE YOU CHRISTIANS THAT RELY ON WHAT YOUR PASTORS TELL YOU, WE MAKE RESEARCH BEFORE WE ACEPT ANYTHING THEY SAY. IF YOU HAVE BEEN READING THE BIBLE YOURSELF AND NOT RELYING ON WHAT YOUR PASTORS, EVANGELISTS, DEACON, DEACONESS ETC HAVE BEEN TELLING, YOU WOULDNT HAVE BEEN IN A FIX AS YOU ARE NOW.


U UNDERSTOOD MY QUESTIONS BUT DEVISING STRATEGY TO RUN AWAY FROM MY QUESTION. FROM YOUR QUOTE (JOHN). IT IS WRITTEN THERE THAT HE WILL NOT SPEAK OF HIS OWN, HE WILL SPEAK WHAT HE HEARS AND WILL TELL YOU WHAT IS YET TO COME.

AM ASKING YOU AGAIN,

WHAT HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT BEEN TELLING YOU REGARDING THE ABOVE?

ALSO WHAT THINGS TO COME HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT TOLD YOU? I WANT TO KNOW PLS

babyosis,

am waiting for your post to my answer. it seems you are confused yourself. your so called writers failed you, they couldnt answer even one of the many contradictions. IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOUTO ACEPT THE RELIGION OF NATURE WHICH IS ISLAM. am still waiting for your comment

Davidylan,

thanks for your post. it will be better if you take the contradictions one by one and address it.

BABYOSIS, am still waiting for your response on my reply to your clever writers.
ISLAM IS THE WAY, TRUTH STANDS OUT FROM FALSEHOOD.

havila,

one thing that make me  respect u is the way you turn away from questions pretending as if you dont understand the question or that the writer didnt pose the question very well. the question is a very straightforward one.

it seems u dont understand the bible verse very well or maybe u didnt read very well. during jesus time, he wasnt given the opportunity to tell you most things. thereby, he told you that its important that he must go so that the spirit will come and that wqhen he comes, he will guide you into the truth, he will declare what is jesus' etc.

i now ask you again, the holy spirit is supposed to tell you new things aside jesus.

from your bible, i want you to tell me what the holy spirit has been telling you on divorce case, marriage, will, treatment of orphan, treatment of ones parent, witnesses, property etc (remember, the holy spirit is supposed to tell new things that jesus didnt tell you when he was alive*

or u provide me your personal answer to the question or from any book aside bible.

but remember jesus didnt tell anybody personal things. he spoke openly and taught openly too.

am waiting, cunny man!!!

82. Did the women buy the spices after (Mark 16:1) or before the Sabbath (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)?
WRITERS: Now it becomes clear that Mary Magdalene and her group bought their spices after the Sabbath, as recorded by Mark 16:1. On the other hand, Joanna and her group bought their spices before the Sabbath, as recorded by Luke 23:56. It is significant that Joanna is mentioned only by Luke, thereby strengthening the proposition that it was her group mentioned by him in the resurrection account.
THE VERSE DID NOT SAY MARY MAGDALENE, JOANA ETC BOUGHT IT BEFORE OR AFTER BUT THAT THE WOMEN. SO THE QUESTION IS DID THE WOMEN BOUGHT BEFORE OR AFTER THE SABATH. ANSWER BABYOSIS OR HAVILA PLS

83. Did the women visit the tomb "toward the dawn" (Matthew 28:1), or "When the sun had risen" (Mark 16:2)?
READERS ON NAIRALAND WOULD HAVE KNOWN TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD BY NOW. IS SUNRISE AND VERY EARLY THE SAME? I KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT IS AFTERNOON U GET AFTER SUNRISE OR DO WE GET SUN AS REPLACEMENT FOR MOON VERY EARLTY WHILE IT WAS STILL DARK? OR DO WE EXPERIENCE SUNRISE AT DAWN. (VERY EARLY WHILE STILL DARK). LUKE SAID VERY EARLY, MATHEW SAID SUN JUST DAWNING, MARK SAID IT WASN’T DANW BUT SUN HAD RISEN AND JOHN NOT DONE FULLY. ARE ALL THESE SAME?

84. Did the women go to the tomb to anoint Jesus' body with spices (Mark 16:1; Luke 23:55-24:1), or to see the tomb (Matthew 28:1), or for no reason (John 20:1)?
This answer links in with number 81 above. We know that they went to the tomb in order to put further spices on Jesus' body, as Luke and Mark tell us. The fact that Matthew and John do not give a specific reason does not mean that there was not one. They were going to put on spices, whether or not the gospel authors all mention it. We would not expect every det
LOOK AT THE CLEVER WRITERS AGAIN. THEY WERE SAYING EMPHATICALLY THAT THEY WENT TO THE TOMB TO PUT SPICES ON JESUS’ BODY (MARK 16V1)
THAT MATHEW ND JOHN AGREED TOO BUT BUT JUST THAT THEY DIDN’T GIVE FUKL DETAILS. CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME, IS THERE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANOINT WITH SPICES ,TO SEE THE TOMB (NO SPICES WAS MENTIONED) OR FOR NO REASON. DIDN’T THESE CONTRADICTS PUTTING SPICES ON HIS BODY. AM, WAITING FOR BABYOSIS OR HAVILA’S COMMENT.

83. Did the women visit the tomb "toward the dawn" (Matthew 28:1), or "When the sun had risen" (Mark 16:2)?
WRITERS: so fully: The darkness was on its way out but had not yet gone. Mark's statement that the sun had risen comes later, when they were on their way. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the sun had time to rise during their journey across Jerusalem.
WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

87. Did Mary Magdalene first meet the resurrected Jesus during her first visit (Matthew 28:9) or on her second visit (John 20:11-17)? And how did she react?
WRITER: Therefore, when Matthew 28:9 records Jesus meeting them, she was not there. In fact, we understand from Mark 16:9 that Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene, which was after she, Peter and John had returned to the tomb the first time (John 20:1-18). Here, we see that Peter and John saw the tomb and went home, leaving Mary weeping by the entrance. From here, she saw the two angels inside the tomb and then met Jesus himself.
WHERE IS THE POSITION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT HERE. WHICH DO WE ACCEPT, WHY CANT HE CORRECT ALL THESE ISSUES? WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

90. Did the Midianites sell Joseph "to the Ishmaelites" (Genesis 37:28), or to Potiphar, an officer of Pharoah (Geneis 37:36)?
WRITERS: The traveling merchants were comprised of Ishmaelite and Midianite merchants who bought Joseph from his brothers, and they in turn sold him to Potiphar in Egypt. The words Ishmaelite and Midianite are used interchangeably. This would seem obvious once you read verses 27 and 28 together. A clearer usage for these two names can also be found in Judges 8:24.
WHERE IS THE PROOF TO SUPPORT THE ABOVE THAT THEY RESOLD TO POTIPHAR? SO MIDIANITES AND ISHMAELITES HAS BECOME SAME.

94. Did David (1 Samuel 17:23, 50) or Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19) kill Goliath?
WRITERS: The discrepancy as to who killed Goliath (David or Elhanan) was caused by copyist or scribal error, which can be seen clearly.
THE WRITERS ADMIITED THE FAULT THIS TIME. VERY GOOD. NO BEATING ABOUT THE BUSH, PURE CONTRADICTION.

98. Did Jesus appear to twelve disciples after his resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:5), or was it to eleven (Matthew 27:3-5; 28:16; Mark 16:14; Luke 24:9,33; Acts 1:9-26)?
WRITERS: There is no contradiction once you notice how the words are being used. In all the references given for eleven disciples, the point of the narrative account is to be accurate at that particular moment of time being spoken of. After the death of Judas there were only eleven disciples, and this remained so until Matthias was chosen to take Judas' place.
CLEVER INDEED!!! HERE THE CHAPTERS DIDN’T SAY AFTER JUDAS DEATH. SO HOW COME THE WRITERS HAVE JUMPED TO CONCLUSION?

CONCLUSION:

FIRSTLY, BABYOSIS, YOU HAVE TRIED TO SEEK THE TRUTH IN SOLVING THE ISSUE AT HAND (CONTRADICTIONS). U REALLY ACTED LIKE A SOLDIER. YOU ALSO ACTED ON THE SAYING OF OUR NOBLE PROPHET MUHAMMED (SAW, MERCY TO THE WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING YOU, HAVILA, JAY SMITH, ALEX CHOWDHRY, TOBY JEPSON, JAMES SCHAEFFER) THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SEARCH FOR KNOWLEDGE EVEN BE IT IN CHINA, BUT YOU WENT TO THE WRONG PEOPLE THAT COULDN’T PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THE ISSUE. RATHER THAN ACCEPT THAT THERE WERE COUNTLESS CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE, THEY DEVISED MEANS OF PREVENTING YOU FROM SEEING THE TRUTH. ALL THE ANSWERS GIVEN WERE RELEVANT TO QUESTIONS. YOU YOURSELF AND HAVILA READ ALL.

YOUR WRITERS ARE THE PEOPLE THE ALLAH REFERRED TO IN THE HOLY QURAN THAT “THEY SEEKED CROOK MEANS OF PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM THE LIGHT (ISLAM), HAVING REALISED THE TRUTH THEMSELVES.
IT HAS BEEN SEEN FROM ALL ANGLES THAT YOUR WRITERS DIDN’T ANSWER EVEN A QUESTION SATISFACTORILY. SO BABYOSIS, HOW COULD YOU ANSWER MY OWN CONTRADICTIONS TOO WHEN YOUR WRITERS COULDN’T ANSWER SHABBIR’S.

READ AND RE-READ THE “SUPPOSED ANSWERS”, WERE THEY IN LINE WITH THE QUESTIONS?

FROM ALL WHAT YOUR WRITERS WROTE,SOME THINGS CAME BE DEDUCED.
1.THE ERRORS MIGHT HAVE BEEN TYPING ERROR
2. THE ERORS MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY THE SCRIBES
3. IT MAY BE DUE TO TRANSLATION FROM ONE LANGUAGE TO ANOTHER.
4. WE ALSO HAVE ERROR OF OMMISSION, ADDITION, SUBTRACTION ETC.
5. AND SO ON.

NOW, FROM THE WRITERS CONTRIBUTION, HE MADE ME KNOW THAT, ALL SCRIPTURES WERE WRITTEN THROUGH INSPIRATION.

HE SAID THIS ABOUT INSPIRATION
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all Scripture is inspired. The word used for inspiration is theopneustos which means "God-breathed," implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2 Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were "carried along" by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

AND ALSO QUOTED
Charles Wesley summarizes this high view of inspiration brilliantly when he says, "The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying 'Thus saith the Lord;' it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin, and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration" (McDowell 1990:178).
ETC.

IT HAS BEEN KNOWN THAT OUR GOD CANNOT BE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. GIVING ONE PROPHET A RELIGION DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER. WE LEARNT THAT ALL THE PROPHETS CAME WITH ONE RELIGION (ISLAM) AS IN
QURAN 42 V 13 –16:HE ALLAH HAS ORDAINED FOR YOU THE SAME RELIGION (ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) WHICH HE ORDAINED FOR NOAH, AND THAT WHICH WE HAVE REVEALED UNTO YOU (O MUHAMMED SAW), AND THAT WHICH WE ORDAINED FOR ABRAHAM, MOSES, AND JESUS SAYING YOU SHOULD ESTABLISH RELIGION (TO DO WHAT IT ORDERS YOU TO DO PRACTICALLY), AND MAKE NO DIVISIONS IN IT (RELIGION) (I.E. VARIOUS SECTS IN RELIGION), INTOLERABLE FOR THE MUSHRIKUN IS THAT ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) TO WHICH YOU (O MUHAMMED SAW) CALL THEM, ALAH CHOOSES FOR HIMSELF WHOM HE WILLS, AND GUIDES UNTO HIMSELF WHO TURNS TO HIM IN REPENTANCE AND IN OBEDIENCE.

V 14: AND THEY DIVIDED NOT TILL AFTER KNOWLEDGE HAD COME TO THEM, THROUGH (SELFISH) TRANSGRESSION BETWEEN THEMSELVES. AND HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR A WORD THAT WENT FORTH BEFORE FROM YOUR LORD FOR AN APPOINTED TERM, THE MATTER WOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED BETWEEN THEM. AND VERILY, THOSE WHO WERE MADE TO INHERIT THE SCRIPTURES ( THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL) AFTER THEM (JEWS AND CHRISTIANS) ARE IN GRAVE DOUBT CONCERNING IT (ALLAH’S TRUE RELIGION, ISLAM AND THE QURAN)

V 15: SO UNTO THIS (RELIGION OF ISLAM ALONE AND THIS QURAN) THEN INVITE (PEOPLE) ( O MUHAMMED SAW) AND STAND FIRM (ON ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) BY PERFORMING ALL THAT IS ORDAINED BY ALLAH (GOOD DEEDS), AND BY ABSTAINING FROM ALL THAT IS FORBIDDEN BY ALLAH (SINS AND EVIL DEEDS), AS YOU ARE COMMANDED, AND FOLLOW NOT THEIR DESIRE BUT SAY : “I BELIEVE IN WHATSOEVER ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN OF THE BOOK (ALL THE HOLY BOOKS INCLUDING QURAN) OR THE PAGES OF ABRAHAM AND I AM COMMANDED TO DO JUSTICE AMONG YOU”. ALLAH IS OUR LORD AND YOUR LORD. FOR US OUR DEEDS AND FOR YOU YOUR DEEDS. THERE IS NO DISPUTE BETWEEN US AND YOU. ALLAH WILL ASSEMBLE US (ALL), AND TO HIM IS THE FINAL RETURN.

V 16: AND TO THOSE WHO DISPUTE CONCERNING ALLAH (HIS RELIGION OF ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM WITH WHICH MUHAMMED SAW HAS BEEN SENT), AFTER IT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED (BY THE PEOPLE), OF NO USE IS THEIR DISPUTE BEFORE THEIR LORD AND ON THEM IS WRATH, AND FOR THEM WIL BE A SEVERE TORMENT.

V 17: IT IS ALLAH WHO HAS SENT DOWN THE BOOK (THE QURAN) IN TRUTH, AND THE BALANCE (TO ACT JUSTLY). AND WHAT CAN MAKE YOU KNOW THAT PERHAPS THE HOUR IS CLOSE AT HAND?
SO IF REALLY INSPIRATION IS “GOD-BREATHED”, THEN I ASK YOU, WHY DID GOD BREATHED DIFFERENTLY TO THEM, MAKING THEM WRITING CONTRADICTORY THINGS, ASSUMMING FIGURES AND EVEN ROUNDING UP FIGURES!!

ALSO, CHARLES WESLEY SAID IT WAS WRITTEN BY GOOD MEN AND DIVINE INSPIRATION, WERE COPYIST, TYPIST, TRANSLATION ETC ERROR WERE DIVINELY INSPIRATIONAL.

LET ME ASK YOU, IS IT ONLY THE BIBLE THAT UNDERGO TRANSLATION, TYPING, COPYING, ETC. WHY ARE WE NOT HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS IN THE HOLY QURAN AS WE ARE HAVING IN THE BIBLE? WE ALSO HAVE THE HOLY QURAN IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES BUT NO CONTRADICTORY VERSES OR CHAPTERS OR ERROR OF COPYIST, TYPIST, TRANSLATION ETC.

THE REASON FOR THE ABOVE IS NOT FAR FETCHED FROM THE FACT THAT ALMIGHTY ALLAH (SWT), MADE IT KNOWN TO US THAT HE SENT THE HOLY QURAN AND THAT HE WOULD BE THE GUIDE, THAT NO FILTH WILL EVER COME TO IT, EVEN IF THE LIKE OF BABYOSIS, HAVILA, YOUR SO CALLED WRITERS ETC EVEN TEAM UP WITH JINNS OR OTHER LVING THINGS, U WILL NEVER SUCCEED.

HE MADE THE PROMISE IN THE HOLY QURAN AND IT IS HAPPENING, FOR MORE THAN 1400 YEARS, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO THE QURAN DESPITE THAT FACT THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT AUTHORS UNLIKE YOUR BIBLE.

Quran 2v23: and if you (arab pagans, jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (the Quran) to Our Slave (Muhammed (saw), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah if you are truthful

Quran 10v38: Or do they say :”Muhammed (saw) has forged it?” say: “bring then a Surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whosoever you can besides Allah if you are truthful.

Quran 11v13: or do they say,” He (Prophet Muhammed saw) forged it? (the Quran)? Say,”bring you then ten (10) forged Surahs (chapters) like unto it, and call whomever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth”.

Quran 17 v 88: say, “ if mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.

YOUR WRITERS KNEW THAT THE ONLY WAY TO LEAD YOU ASTRAY IS TO TELL YOU NOT TO USE THE SAME STANDARD USED FOR QURAN TO MEASURE THE BIBLE TOO. IF YOU ARE TRULY HONEST AND TRUTHFUL, WHY CANT IT BE APPLIED SINCE YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT WHAT WE ARE CALLING CONTRADICTIONS ARE NOT IN ANY WAY, SO LET THE MEASURE BE USED. THE WRITERS DIDN’T WANT YOU TO SEE THE TRUTH, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED YOURSELF (IF YOU ARE SINCERE AND HIDING THE TRUTH) THAT THEY NEVER GAVE ANSWER TO THE ISSUE.
YOUR WRITERS ALSO POSTED WRONG QURANIC QUOTATIONS. WHY MUST THEY DO THAT. MUST THEY LIE IN ORDER TO BE ACEPTED OR BELIEVED?

BABYOSIS, HAVILA, TO BE CANDID WITH YOU, I NEVER HAD ANY BAD PERCEPTION TOWARDS ANY OF YOU. I BELIEVE WE ARE SHARING KNOWLEDGE, COS KNOWLEDGE CONTINUE TILL ONE DIES. WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS REGARDLESS OR RELIGION, RACE, ETHNICITY, RACISM, COLOUR ETC, WE ARE ALL ONE IN THE PRESENCE OF ALLAH. BUT THE BEST IN THE PRESENCE OF ALLAH IS THE ONE THAT IS PIOUS AND YOU SHALL NOT ATTAIN PIETY UNTIL YOU WANT FOR YOUR NEIGHBOUR WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUSELF.

TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM FALSEHOOD, I NEVER QUOTED ANY BIBLICAL SAYINGS, CHAPTERS, VERSES ETC OUT OF CONTEXT, I MAKE RESEARCH BEFORE I POST IT. WHAT WILL BE MY GAIN TRYING TO POST WRONG QUOTATIONS HAVING FORGOTTEN THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF READERS READING THROUGH, AND SOME WILL ACCEPT THE TRUTH THE MOMENT THEY SEE IT, WHILE SOME WONT.

ANYBODY THAT DO GOOD, DO IT FOR HIS OWN SOUL AND ANYBODY THAT DO EVIL, DO IT T HIS OWN PERIL. NO BEING WILL BE CHARGED FOR WHAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT. BUT WHY MUST CHRISTIANS POST WRONG QUOTATIONS, IS THAT NOT PART OF DECEPTION. THERE IS NO POINT QUOTING WRONGLY IF WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING IS THE TRUTH.
NO ONE IS FORCING ANOTHER INTO ACCEPTING A RELIGION BUT FROM INDICATION, THE WISE KNEW THE TRUTH. I NEVER QUOTED ANYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT, U WOULD HAVE PROBABLY COME ACROSS SOME OF MY EARLIER WRITE UPS LIKE WAS JESUS/MOHAMMED SENT TO THE WHOLE WORLD, DID JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS, TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE AND MORE ARE STILL COMING.I BELIEVE IF YOU GO THROUGH THEM, U WILL GAIN FROM THEM

AM NOT CONDENMING CHRISTIANITY OR YOUR BIBLE BUT BRINGING OUT THE TRUTH FOR THE WHOLE NAIRALANDERS TO SEE. COS HE THAT SEES TRUTH AND ACCEPT DOES SO FOR HIS OWN AND VICE VERSA. WHEN ALLAH CREATED HEAVEN, HE PROMISED IT THAT HE WILL FILL IT WITH PEOPLE, SAME WITH HELL, YOUR DESTINY LIES IN YOUR HANDS. IT WILL BE BETTER IF YOU TAKE WISE DECISION TODAY, ACCEPT THE TRUTH, NO CROOKEDNESS, NO LYING, NO BLOOD ATONEMENT ETC.

LET ME REST MY CASE HERE FOR EVERYONE’S CONTRIBUTION.

ISLAM IS THE TRUTH, ACCEPT TODAY.

I WILL CONCLUDE WITH THESE
QURAN 3V19: TRULY, THE RELIGION WITH ALLAH IS ISLAM. THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN THE SCRIPTURES (JEWS AND CHRISTIANS) DID NOT DIFFER EXCEPT, OUT OF MUTUAL JEALOUSY, AFTER KNOWLEDGE HAD COME TO THEM. AND WHOEVER DISBELIEVES IN THE AYAT (PROOFS, REVELATIONS, SIGNS, VERSES, EVIDENCES, ETC) OF ALLAH, THEN SURELY, ALLAH IS SWIFT IN CALLING TO ACCOUNT.

QURAN 3V85: AND WHOEVER SEEKS A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, AND IN THE HEREAFTERHE WILL BE ONE OF THE LOSERS.

QURAN 5V3: ………………………THIS DAY, I HAVE PERFECTED YOUR RELIGION FOR YOU, COMPLETED MY FAVOUR ON YOU, AND HAVE CHOSEN ISLAM FOR YOU AS YOUR RELIGION….

QURAN 6V125: AND WHOMEVER ALLAH WILLS TO GUIDE, HE OPENS HIS HEART TO ISLAM, AND WHOMSOEVER HE WILLS, HE SEND ASTRAY, HE MAKES HIS HEART CLOSED AND CONSTRICTED, AS IF HE IS CLIMBING UP TO THE SKY. THIS ALLAH PUTS THE WRATH ON THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT.

QURAN 61V7: AND WHO DOES MORE WRONG THAN THE ONE WHO INVENTS A LIE AGAINST ALLAH, WHILE HE S HE BEING INVITED TO ISLAM? AND ALLAH GUIDES NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ZALIMUN (POLYTHEISTS, WRONGDOERS, DISBELIEVERS) FOLK.

QURAN 61 V 8: THEY INTEND TO PUT OUT THE LIGHT OF ALLAH ( THE RELIGION OF ISLAM, THE QURAN AND THE PROPHET MUHAMMED (SAW) WITH THEIR MOUTHS, BUT ALLAH WILL BRING HIS LIGHT TO PERFECTION EVEN THOUGH THE DISBELIEVERS HATE.

QURAN 61 V 9: HE IT IS WHO HAS SENT HIS MESSENGER (MUHAMMED SAW) WITH GUIDANCE AND THE RELIGION OF TRUTH (ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) TO MAKE IT VICTORIOUS OVER ALL (OTHER) RELIGIONS,EVEN THOUGH THE MUSHRIKUN (POLYTHEISTS, PAGANS, IDOLATERS, AND DISBELIEVERS IN THE ONENESS OF ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER (MUHAMMED SAW0 HATE (IT).

QURAN 49 V 17: THEY REGARD A FAVOUR FROM YOU ( O MUHAMMED SAW) THAT THEY HAVE EMBRACED ISLAM, SAY: “COUNT NOT YOUR ISLAM AS A FAVOUR TO ME. NAY, BUT ALLAH HAS CONFERRED A FAVOUR UPON YUOU THAT HE HAS GUIDED YOU TO THE FAITH IF YOU INDEED ARE TRUE.

QURAN 42 V 13 –16:HE ALLAH HAS ORDAINED FOR YOU THE SAME RELIGION (ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) WHICH HE ORDAINED FOR NOAH, AND THAT WHICH WE HAVE REVEALED UNTO YOU (O MUHAMMED SAW), AND THAT WHICH WE ORDAINED FOR ABRAHAM, MOSES, AND JESUS SAYING YOU SHOULD ESTABLISH RELIGION (TO DO WHAT IT ORDERS YOU TO DO PRACTICALLY), AND MAKE NO DIVISIONS IN IT (RELIGION) (I.E. VARIOUS SECTS IN RELIGION), INTOLERABLE FOR THE MUSHRIKUN IS THAT ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) TO WHICH YOU (O MUHAMMED SAW) CALL THEM, ALAH CHOOSES FOR HIMSELF WHOM HE WILLS, AND GUIDES UNTO HIMSELF WHO TURNS TO HIM IN REPENTANCE AND IN OBEDIENCE.

V 14: AND THEY DIVIDED NOT TILL AFTER KNOWLEDGE HAD COME TO THEM, THROUGH (SELFISH) TRANSGRESSION BETWEEN THEMSELVES. AND HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR A WORD THAT WENT FORTH BEFORE FROM YOUR LORD FOR AN APPOINTED TERM, THE MATTER WOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED BETWEEN THEM. AND VERILY, THOSE WHO WERE MADE TO INHERIT THE SCRIPTURES ( THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL) AFTER THEM (JEWS AND CHRISTIANS) ARE IN GRAVE DOUBT CONCERNING IT (ALLAH’S TRUE RELIGION, ISLAM AND THE QURAN)

V 15: SO UNTO THIS (RELIGION OF ISLAM ALONE AND THIS QURAN) THEN INVITE (PEOPLE) ( O MUHAMMED SAW) AND STAND FIRM (ON ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM) BY PERFORMING ALL THAT IS ORDAINED BY ALLAH (GOOD DEEDS), AND BY ABSTAINING FROM ALL THAT IS FORBIDDEN BY ALLAH (SINS AND EVIL DEEDS), AS YOU ARE COMMANDED, AND FOLLOW NOT THEIR DESIRE BUT SAY : “I BELIEVE IN WHATSOEVER ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN OF THE BOOK (ALL THE HOLY BOOKS INCLUDING QURAN) OR THE PAGES OF ABRAHAM AND I AM COMMANDED TO DO JUSTICE AMONG YOU”. ALLAH IS OUR LORD AND YOUR LORD. FOR US OUR DEEDS AND FOR YOU YOUR DEEDS. THERE IS NO DISPUTE BETWEEN US AND YOU. ALLAH WILL ASSEMBLE US (ALL), AND TO HIM IS THE FINAL RETURN.

V 16: AND TO THOSE WHO DISPUTE CONCERNING ALLAH (HIS RELIGION OF ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM WITH WHICH MUHAMMED SAW HAS BEEN SENT), AFTER IT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED (BY THE PEOPLE), OF NO USE IS THEIR DISPUTE BEFORE THEIR LORD AND ON THEM IS WRATH, AND FOR THEM WIL BE A SEVERE TORMENT.

V 17: IT IS ALLAH WHO HAS SENT DOWN THE BOOK (THE QURAN) IN TRUTH, AND THE BALANCE (TO ACT JUSTLY). AND WHAT CAN MAKE YOU KNOW THAT PERHAPS THE HOUR IS CLOSE AT HAND?

Decision is yours, there is no compulsion in religion but truth stands out from falsehood.

Maa Salam.

havila,
u understood my questios.

what new things has holy spirit taught you?

havila,
sorry for the mistake in my ttyping.

my question, what new things has holy spirit thaught you aside what jesus di?

Babyosis,

U said this:
To the rest of you especially Christians take time and read all the above on this link. I merely copied and pasted the response full page in babs787 annoying style.
The Bible is the infallible word of God,we should be proud of those who took time to give the likes of Babs a befitting answer.

Befitting answer?

Before I commence, I will like to let you know that I didn’t copy anything from anybody. You would have noticed that the numberings, arrangement and even some of the chapters used are different. I still have more contradicting chapters and verses with me, not forgetting that I was once a Christian like you(born again, an active member: replying Havila’s thread) (very familiar with most Christian sects, their bibles etc) I would have been very happy if you (babyosis, havila and the rest) reply me or your writers reply me but at the same time I will explain all the chapters mentioned here. I even thank Shabbir for adding another 101 to my already 101 making it to be 202 (very funny)!!.

I will be very grateful if you can contact your writers to explain my above contradictions too. Am still waiting for your answer to my 101 response and not to Shabbir’s 101. if I tell you that I knew nothing about Shabbirs’s and wouldn’t say anything on it, it would look as if am avoiding your “supposed response”. I will respond to you and your writers thread but at the time never forget to contact your writers for further beating about the bush in the name of “finding explanations to what cant be explained”

Also didn’t you notice the difference in protestants’ bible (66 books) as against catholic bible 73 books). Am very sure God’s curse will be on either of the two as put by the book of revelation the punishment for anyone that add or remove from God’s words. To cap it all, Jehovah witnesses dropped a bombshell tagged, “50,000 errors in the bible”. It was in the AWAKE MAGAZINE of 8th September, 1957. I believe the Holy spirit is supposed to teach you the correct chapters and verses out of all these as being revealed cos jesus said he would told you all things that he never told you.

Your writers deceived you by telling you that you cant use the same measure to judge the two books having forgotten that both the Quran and the bible are claimed to be book of God. What other method do we use to measure the accuracy of the bible. I see no reason why the same method cant be applied to the two books if your writers are truthful and not hiding from the truth.

Also, are your writers trying to shift the blame on the imprint of human hands, varieties of languages, varieties in style of writing etc>, having forgotten that the Holy Quran went through the same process and has been in existence for more than 1400 years, yet no contradicting verse or chapters. Funny enough, you will see contradictions in bibles of different versions e.g KJV contradicting RSV ( eg. We Mathew 17v21, mark 9v44 etc in KJV but omitted in other bibles) and also contradictions from the same bible version (a chapter contradicting another in the same bible)!!!

I BELIEVE THERE ARE WISE PEOPLE AND TRUTHFUL PEOPLE ON NAIRALAND REGARDLESS OF THEIR RELIGION, AGE, RACE, ETHINICITY ETC. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DEDUCE TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD BECAUSE

QURAN 5 V 82: VERILY, YOU WILL FIND THE STRONGEST AMONG MEN IN ENMITY TO THE BELIEVERS (MUSLIMS) THE JEWS AND THOSE WHO ARE AL-MUSHRIKIN (IDOLATERS, POLYTHEISTS, PAGANS, DISBELIEVERS IN THE ONENESS OF ALLAH) AND YOU WILL FIND THE NEAREST IN LOVE TO THE BELIEVERS (MUSLIMS) THOSE WHO SAY “WE ARE CHRISTIANS”. THAT IS BECAUSE AMONGST THEM ARE PRIESTS AND MONKS, AND THEY ARE NOT PROUD.

For easy reference, this are verses from the Holy Quran that buttresses the authenticity of the Holy Quran and that it cannot be edited, add, subtract like the bible and maybe we use that too to judge the bible as well

Quran 2v23: and if you (arab pagans, jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (the Quran) to Our Slave (Muhammed (saw), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah if you are truthful

Quran 10v38: Or do they say :”Muhammed (saw) has forged it?” say: “bring then a Surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whosoever you can besides Allah if you are truthful.
Quran 11v13: or do they say,” He (Prophet Muhammed saw) forged it? (the Quran)? Say,”bring you then ten (10) forged Surahs (chapters) like unto it, and call whomever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth”.

Quran 17 v 88: say, “ if mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.

Quran 6v156-157: lest you (pagan arabs) should say “the Book was sent down only to two sects before us (the jews and the Christians), and for our part, we were in fact unaware of what they studied. (157): or lest you (pagan arabs) should say, “if only the Book had been sent down to us, we would surely have been better guided than they (jews and Christians)”. So now has come to you unto you a clear proof (the QURAN) from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy, who then does more wrong than one who rejects the Ayah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations etc ) of Allah and turns away therefrom. We shall requite those who turn away from our revelation with an evil torment, because of their turning away from them.

Quran 26 v 196: and verily, it ( the Quran and its revelation to Prophet Muhammed (saw) is (announced) in the scriptures (the torah, Gospel) of former people.
Quran 87v13: verily, this (the Quran) is the Word that separates (the truth from falsehood, and commands strict laws for mankind to cut the roots of evil)

LEST I forget, before I continue on what the writers said, I will like to correct the wrong quotations from the Holy Quran.

Babyosis, let me ask you, what is the need hiding the truth. For what purpose and of what benefit will it be to you if you continue hiding the truth. Must your writers quote wrong verses to support their claims. Why cant they quote the right verses if they are truthful?

This is what your writer wrote:

Sura Baqara 2:136 points out that there is no difference between the scriptures which preceded and those of the Qur'an, saying, ", the revelation given to us, and Jesus, we make no difference between one and another of them." Sura Al-I-Imran 3:2-3 continues, "Allah, He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus), as a guide to mankind." Sura Nisaa 4:136 carries this farther by admonishing the Muslims to, ", Believe, and the scripture which He sent before him." In Sura Ma-ida 5:47,49,50,52 we find a direct call to Christians to believe in their scriptures: ", We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel, Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel, " Again, in Sura Ma-ida 5:68 we find a similar call: "People of the Book!, Stand fast by the law, the Gospel, and all revelation that hath come to you from YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has come to thee from THY LORD."

This what we have in the chapters
Quran 2 v 136: Quran 2v136: say (o muslims) we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Yaqub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons of Yaqub (Jacob) and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus) and that which has been given to the prophets from their Lord, we make no distinction between any of them and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).

Why cant the writers be sincere. Read the above verse very well, the verse is saying that we all Muslims believe in what was sent from Abraham to Jesus. They all came with one message and one religion. Let me ask you again, were Ishmael, Jacob, the disciples given any books? NO. So the verse is saying that we Muslims don’t discriminate against any prophets as you only accept Jesus ignoring others.

Also see the cleverness of your writers as in
QURAN 3 v3: it is HE who has sent down the book (the QURAN) to you (Muhammed (SAW) ) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel).

Where was it mention above that the Gospel and the Torah were guide to mankind? The QURAN confirmed Torah and Gospel but not this your present day Gospel full of contradictions, words of men, words of tree, irrelevant words etc.

Also in QURAN Sura Ma-ida 5:47,49,50,52; there is no place that says Christians must believe in their scriptures.

Your writer quoted Sura Ma-ida 5:68 which even tell you to accept the Holy Quran as in

Quran 5 v 68: And if only they had acted according to the Torah, the Gospel and what has now been sent down to them from their Lord (the Quran), they would surely have gotten provision from above them an from underneath their feet. There are from among them who are on the right course (they act on the revelation and believe in Prophet Muhammed (saw) but many of them do evil deeds.

Your writer quoted the below verse not taking their time to read properly. The verse was telling you Christians that the Holy Prophet Muhammed (saw) was mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel.

This is your writers’ quotes
To embolden this idea of the New and Old Testament's authority we find in Sura 10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer with these scriptures if in doubt about their own, saying: "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee. The truth had indeed come to thee from thy Lord." And as if to emphasize this point the advice is repeated in Sura 21:7, stating, ", the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration. If ye realize this not, Ask of those who possess the message."

As against the
Quran 10v94: so if you (O Muhammed (saw) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed to you ( that your name is written in the Torah and the Gospel, then ask those who are reading the book (torah and Gospel) before you. Verily truth has come to you from your Lord. So be of not those who doubt (it).

Your writer wrote this again Finally, in Sura Ankabut 29:46 Muslims are asked not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the people of the book but say: We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you."

This is what is in the above Surah.
Quran 29 v 46: and argue not with the people of the scriptures (jews and Christians) unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner inviting them to Islamic monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them) “we believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, our Illah (God) and your Illah (God) is One (Allah) and to Him we have submitted as Muslims”

Here your clever writers go again with this
There are some Muslims, however, who contend that according to sura 2:140 the Jews and Christians had corrupted their scriptures. This ayah says (referring to the Jews), ", who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah, ?" Yet, nowhere does this aya state that the Jews and Christians corrupted their scriptures. It merely mentions that certain Jews have concealed "the testimony they have from Allah." In other words the testimony is still there (thus the reason the afore-mentioned suras admonish Muslims to respect the former scriptures), though the adherents of that testimony have chosen to conceal it. If anything this aya is a ringing endorsement to the credibility of those former scriptures, as it assumes a testimony from Allah does exist amongst the Jewish community.

This is what we have in the chapter; it is referring to both Jews and Christians that are concealing the testimony (to believe in Prophet Muhammed (saw).

For better understanding, start from 139
Quran 2 v 139-140: Say (O Muhammed (saw) to the jews and Christians), “dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him (in worship and obedience, we worship Him alone and we obey His Orders. (140) Or say you that Abraham, Ishmael,Jacob….were jews or Christians? Say”do you know better or does Allah (know better….that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony (to believe in Prophet Muhammed (saw) when he comes, as it is written in their books (torah and Gospel) he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”
The writers also said this In the Bible we[/b[b]], likewise, have a number of references which speak of the unchangeableness of God's word; such as, Deuteronomy 4:1-2; Isaiah 8:20; Matthew 5:17-18; 24:35; and Revelation 22:18-20.

Let me ask babyosis, if truly the above chapters are correct, why do we still have different quotation from the same word from the same bible?

LETS GO TO THE EXPLANATION ON THE RESPONSE POSTED BY BABYOSIS FROM HER WRITERS.
WRITERS IS USED FOR THOSE THAT WROTE WHAT BABYOSIS POSTED (Jay Smith, Alex Chowdhry, Toby Jepson, James Schaeffer) AND MY OWN COMMENT IS BELOW WRITERS’ EXPLANATION.

1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 24:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)?

Go through the response of the writers. Was he able to answer the question posed at him? NO. He was beating about the bush telling stories of how God incited David, and can someone tell him, what about satan mentioned in the other verse.

See their response
WRITERS:What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-, and so he also incited David to carry it through.
Has he treated the issue? NO. He mentioned only the verse talking about God inciting David but ignoring the other of Satan. How clever he was!

No. 2
2 Samuel 24:9 gives the total population for Israel as 800,000, whereas 1 Chronicles 21:5 says it was 1,100,000.

see the writers’ response again
It is possible that the differences between the two accounts are related to the unofficial and incomplete nature of the census (which will be discussed later), or that the book of Samuel presents rounded numbers, particularly for Judah.
The more likely answer, however, is that one census includes categories of men that the other excludes. It is quite conceivable that the 1 Chronicles 21:5 figure included all the available men of fighting age, whether battle-seasoned or not, whereas the 2 Samuel 24:9 account is speaking only of those who were ready for battle. Joab's report in 2 Samuel 24 uses the word 'is hayil, which is translated as "mighty men", or battle-seasoned troops, and refers to them numbering 800,000 veterans. It is reasonable that there were an additional 300,000 men of military age kept in the reserves, but not yet involved in field combat. The two groups would therefore make up the 1,100,000 men in the 1 Chronicles 21 account which does not employ the Hebrew term 'is hayil to describe them.

Babyosis, did the bible mention only available men or all men. Nothing like that was mentioned. Where in the bible did your writers cull those interpretations from? The writers were trying to act wise by saying that Samuel only mentioned the able bodied men while chronicles mentioned all the men present. READERS, ISNT THAT FUNNY? WERE THEY ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, NO.

No.4
2 Samuel 24:13 mentions that there will be seven years of famine whereas 1 Chronicles 21:12 mentions only three.

writers’ quote
There are two ways to look at this. The first is to assume that the author of 1 Chronicles emphasized the three-year period in which the famine was to be most intense, whereas the author of 2 Samuel includes the two years prior to and after this period, during which the famine worsened and lessened respectively.

Look at the way the writers were responding. “the first is to assume”. So the author of the chronicles assumed while that of Samuel gave everything out? Clever huh!! Was intensity mentioned? Where did the writers get this assumption from. Is it from the bible? Someone tell me pls.

Read the second way of the writers
Another solution can be noticed by observing the usage of words in each passage. When you compare the two passages you will note that the wording is significantly different in 1 Chronicles 21 from that found in a 2 Samuel 24. In 2 Samuel 24:13 the question is "shell seven years of famine come to you?" In 1 Chronicles 21:12 we find an alternative imperative, "take for yourself either three years of famine, " From this we may reasonably conclude that 2 Samuel records the first approach of the prophet Gad to David, in which the alternative prospect was seven years; whereas the Chronicles account gives us the second and final approach of Nathan to the King, in which the Lord (doubtless in response to David's earnest entreaty in private prayer) reduced the severity of that grim alternative to three years rather than an entire span of seven. As it turned out, however, David opted for God's third preference, and thereby received three days of severe pestilence, resulting in the deaths of 70,000 men in Israel.

Has the writers forgotten that the two chapters refer to same thing and God didn’t tell David to choose between the two. The question is why a part saying three and another seven. Remember, God didn’t ask David to choose between the two. Both statements gave account of same happening. Did the writer provided answer? NO.I think READERS WOULD HAVE DEDUCE ONE OR TWO FROM HERE. HAPPY READING.

5. Was Ahaziah 22 (2 Kings 8:26) or 42 (2 Chronicles 22:2) when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

LOOK at the reply again,
Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago. We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries. Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors. One concerned the spelling of proper names, and the other had to do with numbers.

Let me ask you babyosis and havila, was the bible the only book that has been in existence 1,000 years ago? What of the Quran. Why are we still having no differences regardless of the authors as in the case of the bible? If truly, the bible is inspired, there shouldn’t be anything happening to the copies cos they would have been protected by God as in

Quran 2v23: and if you (arab pagans, jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (the Quran) to Our Slave (Muhammed (saw), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah if you are truthful
Quran 10v38: Or do they say :”Muhammed (saw) has forged it?” say: “bring then a Surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whosoever you can besides Allah if you are truthful.
Quran 11v13: or do they say,” He (Prophet Muhammed saw) forged it? (the Quran)? Say,”bring you then ten (10) forged Surahs (chapters) like unto it, and call whomever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth”.

Check this out again from the writers
We must also remember that the scribes who were responsible for the copies were meticulously honest in handling Biblical texts. They delivered them as they received them, without changing even obvious mistakes, which are few indeed.

Why must there be mistakes in the inspirational book of God? (pls all of you should read jeremiah 8v8)

6. Was Jehoiachin 18 years old (2 Kings 24: or 8 years old (2 Chronicles 36:9) when he became king of Jerusalem?

Look at this again from the writers
Once again there is enough information in the context of these two passages to tell us that 8 is wrong and 18 right. The age of 8 is unusually young to assume governmental leadership. However, there are certain commentators who contend that this can be entirely possible. They maintain that when Jehoiachin was eight years old, his father made him co-regent, so that he could be trained in the responsibilities of leading a kingdom. Jehoiachin then became officially a king at the age of eighteen, upon his father's death.

WHERE DID THEY CULL THE STORY FROM (THEIR OWN ASSUMTIONS) THAT 8 YEAR OLD BOY CAN’T BE KING HUH? HE WAS USING PRESENT DAY GENERATION TO JUDGE OLDEN DAYS.
He assumed his own judgment by saying that the other chapter is wrong (2 Chronicles 36:9). I WONDER WHY HOLY SPIRIT CANT TELL THE WRITERS THE EXACT NUMBER.
LOOK at this too

As with many of these numerical discrepancies, it is the decade number that varies. It is instructive to observe that the number notations used by the Jewish settlers in the 5th century BC Elephantine Papyri, during the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, from which this passage comes, evidences the earlier form of numerical notation. This consisted of a horizontal stroke ending in a downward hook at its right end to represent the numbers in tens (thus two horizontal strokes one above the other would be 20). Vertical strokes were used to represent anything less than ten. Thus eight would be /III IIII, but eighteen would be /III IIII with the addition of a horizontal line and downward hook above it. Similarly twenty-two would be /I followed by two horizontal hooks, and forty-two would be /I followed by two sets of horizontal hooks (please forgive the deficiencies of my computer; it is not the scholar Dr. Archer is).
If, then, the primary manuscript from which a copy was being carried out was blurred or smudged, one or more of the decadal notations could be missed by the copyist. It is far less likely that the copyist would have mistakenly seen an extra ten stroke that was not present in his original then that he would have failed to observe one that had been smudged.

[b]Oh no, the writers said that the copyist might have made or mistakenly added ten extra strokes. ISNT THIS OBVIOUS? SO even if they were using strokes, what is the relationship between 8 and 18? READERS BE THE JUDGE.

7. Did king Jehoiachin rule over Jerusalem for three months (2 Kings 24: , or for three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)?[/b]

READ THE WRITERS RESPONSE TOO
Here again, as we found in challenge number 2 and 4, the author of the Chronicles has been more specific with his numbering, whereas the author of Kings is simply rounding off the number of months, assuming that the additional ten days is not significant enough to mention.

WHY ROUNDING OFF NUMBERS. Are we in a mathematical class that requires rounding up of numbers? Of what use is the rounding up and assuming that the ten days is insignificant. Why did the writer rounded up the figure? CLEVER INDEED!!

8. Did the chief of the mighty men of David lift up his spear and killed 800 men (2 Samuel 23: or only 300 men (1 Chronicles 11:11)?

see the writers’ response below:
It is quite possible that both authors may have described two different incidents, though by the same man, or one author may have only mentioned in part what the other author mentions in full.

NO ANSWER TO THE ABOVE. The authors didn’t describe two different things but same incident. Why mentioning in part and another in full?

READERS, HOPE YOU ARE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING HERE, HAPPY READING PLS

9. Did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem after defeating the Philistines (2 Samuel 5 and 6), or before (1 Chronicles chapters 13 and 14)?

SHOULD WE ACCEPT THIS STATEMENT FROM THE WRITERS: Therefore the two accounts are not contradictory at all. What we have here is simply one prophet choosing to give us the complete history of the Ark at once (rather than referring to it later) and another presenting the history in a different way. In both cases the timing of events is the same.

WHY WILL ONE AUTHOR NOT WANT TO GIVE FULL ACCOUNT? OF WHAT USE WILL THE HIDDEN PART OF THE REMAINING STORIES OF THE ARK? NO HIDING PLACE FOR THE WRITERS.

10. Was Noah supposed to bring 2 pairs of all living creatures (Genesis 6:19-20), or was he to bring 7 pairs of 'clean' animals (Genesis 7:2; see also Genesis 7:8,9)?

WHY ARE THE WRITERS MUDDLING UP THINGS. READ THE EXPLANATION TO THE ABOVE
WRITERS: This indeed is an odd question to raise. It is obvious that Shabbir Ally has misquoted the text in the 6th chapter of Genesis, which makes no mention of any 'clean' animals in its figure, while the 7th chapter specifically delineates between the clean and unclean animals. Genesis 7:2 says Noah was to bring in 7 pairs of 'clean' animals and 2 pairs of every kind of 'unclean' animal. Why did Shabbir not mention the second half of this verse which stipulates 2 pairs in his challenge? It is obvious that there is no discrepancy between the two accounts. The problem is the question itself.

THE WRITERS DIDN’T TALK ON THE OTHER CHAPTER (GENESIS 6V19-20). BABYOSIS AND HAVILA, IS THERE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “ALL LIVING CREATURES” AND “2 PAIR OF EVERY KIND OF UNCLEAN ANIMALS”

11. Did David capture 1,700 of King Zobah's horsemen (2 Samuel 8:4), or was it 7,000 (1 Chronicles 18:4)?

WRITERS RESPONSE: There are two possible solutions to these differing figures. The first by Keil and Delitzsh (page 360) is a most convincing solution. They maintain that the word for chariotry (rekeb) was inadvertently omitted by the scribe in copying 2 Samuel 8:4, and that the second figure, 7,000 (for the parasim "cavalrymen", was necessarily reduced to 700 from the 7,000 he saw in his Vorlage for the simple reason that no one would write 7,000 after he had written 1,000 in the recording the one and the same figure. The omission of rekeb might have occurred with an earlier scribe, and a reduction from 7,000 to 700 would have then continued with the successive copies by later scribes. But in all probability the Chronicles figure is right and the Samuel numbers should be corrected to agree with that.
A second solution starts from the premise that the number had been reduced to 700 as it refers to 700 rows, each consisting of 10 horse men, making a total of 7,000.

HUH, MATHEMATICIAN. WHY THE ADDITION AND SUBTRACTION? DON’T BLAME THE AUTHORS, PLS READ JEREMIAH 8V8. THE WRITERS FAILED TO PROVIDE ANSWER HERE TOO.

12. Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses (1 Kings 4:26), or 4,000 stalls (2 Chronicles 9:25)?

LO[b]OK AT THE RESPONSE TOO:[/b] Others believe that the stalls mentioned in 2 Chronicles were large ones that housed 10 horses each (that is, a row of ten stalls). Therefore 4,000 of these large stalls would be equivalent to 40,000 small ones.
Another commentator maintains that the number of stalls recorded in 1 Kings was the number at the beginning of Solomon's reign, whereas the number recorded in 2 Chronicles was the number of stalls at the end of his reign. We know that Solomon reigned for 40 years; no doubt, many changes occurred during this period. It is quite likely that he reduced the size of the military machine his father David had left him.

WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THESE STORIES FROM, THE BIBLE? NO. THE QUESTION WHY HAVING 40,000 AND ANOTHER 4,000. BUT THE WRITER SAID ITS QUITE LIKELY THAT HE MIGHT HAVE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE ARMY. WHERE IS THAT WRITTEN? READERS HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING IT.

13. According to the author, did Baasha, the king of Israel die in the 26th year of king Asa's reign (1 Kings 15:33), or was he still alive in the 36th year ( 2 Chronicles 16:1)?
WRITERS: There are two possible solutions to this problem. To begin with, scholars who have looked at these passages have concluded that the 36th year of Asa should be calculated from the withdrawal of the 10 tribes from Judah and Benjamin which brought about the division of the country into Judah and Israel. If we look at it from this perspective, the 36th year of the divided monarchy would be in the 16th year of Asa

IT MEANS THAT 2ND CHRONICLES IS CORRECT WHILE 1ST KING 15V33 IS NOT. FUNNY ENOUGH. WHAT IS THE STANDARD USED?

14. Did Solomon appoint 3,600 overseers (2 Chronicles 2:2) for the work of building the temple, or was it only 3,300 (1 Kings 5:16)?

WRITERS: This is not too great a problem. The most likely solution is that the author of 2 Chronicles included the 300 men who were selected as reservists to take the place of any supervisors who would become ill or who had died, while the author of the 1 Kings 5:16 passage includes only the supervisory force. With the group as large as the 3,300, sickness and death certainly did occur, requiring reserves who would be called up as the need arose.

WHERE DID THEY SEE THE ASSUMPTIONS. ITS NOT FROM THE BIBLE, SO WHERE? WHY ALL THESE FABLES? WHERE WAS SUPERVISORY FORCE OR RESERVES MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE?

15. Did Solomon build a facility containing 2,000 baths (1 Kings 7:26), or over 3,000 baths (2 Chronicles 4:5)?

WRITERS: The Hebrew verb rendered "contained" and "held" is different from that translated "received"; and the meaning may be that the sea ordinarily contained 2,000 baths. But when filled to its utmost capacity it received and held 3,000 baths. Thus the chronicler simply mentions the amount of water that would make the sea like a flowing spring rather than a still pool. This informs us that 3,000 gallons of water were required to completely fill the sea which usually held 2,000 gallons.

HERE, IT WANST MENTIONED IF IT WAS FILLED TO ITS CAPACITY. WHERE DID THEY (WRITERS) GET THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT SOLOMON WANTED TO BUILD SEA-LIKE FLOWING SPRING?.

16-21. Are the numbers of Israelites freed from Babylonian captivity correct in Ezra (Ezra 2:6, 8, 12, 15, 19, 28) or in Nehemiah (Nehemiah 7:11, 13, 17, 20, 22, 32)?
(note: because numbers 16-21 deal with the same census, I have included them as one)

WRITERS: In chapter 2 of Ezra and in chapter 7 of Nehemiah there are about thirty-three family units that appear in both lists of Israelites returning from Babylon to Judea. Of these 33 family units listed in Ezra and Nehemiah, nineteen of the family units are identical, while fourteen show discrepancies in the number of members within the family units (though Shabbir only lists six of them). Two of the discrepancies differ by 1, one differs by 4, two by 6, two differ by 9, another differs by 11, another two by 100, another by 201, another differs by 105, a further family differs by 300, and the largest difference is the figure for the sons of Azgad, a difference of 1,100 between the accounts of Ezra 2 and Nehemiah 7.

VERY CLEVER HUH? MUDDLING THINGS UP.

22. Both Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the totals for the whole assembly was 42,360, yet when the totals are added, Ezra - 29,818 and Nehemiah - 31,089?

WRITERS:
There are possibly two answers to this seeming dilemma. The first is that this is most likely a copyist's error. The original texts must have had the correct totals, but somewhere along the line of transmission, a scribe made an error in one of the lists, and changed the total in the other so that they would match, without first totaling up the numbers for the families in each list. There is the suggestion that a later scribe upon copying out these lists purposely put down the totals for the whole assembly who were in Jerusalem at his time, which because it was later would have been larger.

“A SCRIBE MAKING ERROR AND MAKING CHANGES WIHOUT CALCULATION IN ORDER FOR THE STORY AND FIGURES TO MATCH” IN THE INSPIRATIONAL BOOK OF GOD?
NO ANSWER YET.

23. Did 200 singers (Ezra 2:65) or 245 singers (Nehemiah 7:67) accompany the assembly?

WRITERS: As in question number 7, this is a copyist error, where a scribe copying the numbers in the Ezra account simply rounded off the figure of 245 to 200.

WHY THE NEED FOR ESTIMATION AND ROUNDING OFF?. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME PLS. IS IT TO A WHOLE NUMBER? EVEN IF IT TO BE A WHOLE NUMBER , IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 250 AND NOT 200. HUH. READERS HOW COME?

24. Was King Abijah's mother's name Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2) or Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20 & 2 Samuel 13:27)?

WRITERS:
When seen in this light, the 'contradiction' vanishes. 2 Chronicles 13:2 correctly states that Michaiah is a daughter of Uriel. We can assume that Uriel married Tamar, Absalom's only immediate daughter. Together they had Michaiah who then married king Rehoboam and became the mother of Abijah. 2 Chronicles 11:20 and 1 Kings 15:2, in stating that Maachah was a daughter of Absalom, simply link her back to her more famous grandfather, instead of her lesser known father, to indicate her royal lineage. Abishalom is a variant of Absalom and Michaiah is a variant of Maachah.

IS THIS ALLOWED CALLING YOU DAUGHTER OF YOUR GRANDFATHER INSTEAD OF YOUR REAL FATHER. IF YOUR FATHER’S NAME IS JOHN AND YOUR GANDFATHER’S NAME IS LUKE. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO SAY BABYOSIS IS THE DAUGHTER OF LUKE? WILL U LIKE BEING CALLED BABYOSIS LUKE INSTEAD OF BABYOSIS JOHN? DEFENSIVE STRATEGY.

25. Joshua and the Israelites did (Joshua 10:23,40) or did not (Joshua 15:63) capture Jerusalem?
WRITERS:
In Joshua 10, it is the king of Jerusalem that is killed: his city is not captured (verses 16-18 and 22-26). The five Amorite kings and their armies left their cities and went to attack Gibeon. Joshua and the Israelites routed them and the five kings fled to the cave at Makkedah, from which Joshua's soldiers brought them to Joshua, who killed them all. Concerning their armies, verse 20 states: 'the few who were left reached their fortified cities', which clearly indicates that the cities were not captured. So it was the kings, not their cities, who were captured.

WHAT ARE THE WRITERS SAYING. THE QUESTION IS VERY GLARING. THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER THE KING WAS KILLED BUT WHETHER JERUSALAM WAS CAPTURED OR NOT.
HUH, NICE STRATEGY.

26. Was Jacob (Matthew 1:16) or Heli (Luke 3:23) the father of Joseph and husband of Mary?
WRITERS:
The answer to this is simple but requires some explanation. Most scholars today agree that Matthew gives the genealogy of Joseph and Luke gives that of Mary, making Jacob the father of Joseph and Heli the father of Mary.

IS THERE ANY SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE QUESTION AND MARY? THE QUESTION IS WHO WAS JOSEPH’S FATHER, HELI OR JACOB? WHY DID THEY USE HELI FOR HIM (JACOB) INSTEAD OF MARY. WAS THERE ANYWHERE THAT MENTIONED THAT THE GENEALOGY WAS MARY’S?

27. Did Jesus descend from Solomon (Matthew 1:6) or from Nathan (Luke 3:31), both of whom are sons of David?

WRITERS:
This is directly linked to 'contradiction' 26. Having shown that Matthew gives Joseph's genealogy and Luke gives that of Mary, it is clear that Joseph was descended from David through Solomon and Mary through Nathan.

NICE STRATEGY. NO ANSWER YET. READ THE QUESTION AGAIN. ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT JOSEPH, MARY OR JESUS?

28. Was Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12) or Neri (Luke 3:27) the father of Shealtiel?
WRITERS:
Once again, this problem disappears when it is understood that two different genealogies are given from David to Jesus, those of both Mary and Joseph (see #26). Two different genealogies mean two different men named Shealtiel, a common Hebrew name. Therefore, it is not surprising to recognize that they both had different fathers!

IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ANSWER? NOOOOOOO.WERE THE WRITERS SAYING THE SHEALTIE MATHEW WAS REFERRING TO WAS DIFFERENT FROM LUKE’S SHEALTIE?


29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ, Abiud (Matthew 1:13) or Rhesa (Luke 3:27), and what about Zerubbabel in (1 Chronicles 3:19-20)?
WRITERS:
It should not surprise us that there was a Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel in both Mary's and Joseph's ancestry. Matthew tells us that Joseph's father was named Jacob. Of course, the Bible records another Joseph son of Jacob, who rose to become the second most powerful ruler in Egypt (Genesis 37-47). We see no need to suggest that these two men are one and the same, so we should have no problem with two men named Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel.

IS THE ABOVE IN LINE WITH THE QUESTION?

30. Was Joram (Matthew 1: or Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1) the father of Uzziah?

WRITERS:
This answer is of a similar nature to that in #24. Just as the Hebrew bat (daughter) can be used to denote a more distant descendant, so can the Hebrew ben (son). Jesus is referred to in Matthew 1:1 as the son of David, the son of Abraham. Both the genealogies trace Jesus' ancestry through both these men, illustrating the usage of 'son'. Although no Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew's gospel are extant today, it is clear that he was a Jew writing from a Hebrew perspective and therefore completely at home with the Hebrew concept of son ship.
With this in mind, it can easily be shown that Amaziah was the immediate father of Uzziah (also called Azariah). Joram/Jehoram, on the other hand, was Uzziah's great-great-grandfather and a direct ascendant. The line goes Joram/Jehoram - Ahaziah - Joash - Amaziah - Azariah/Uzziah (2 Chronicles 21:4-26:1).

BABYOSIS, OF WHAT RELEVANCE IS THE ABOVE TO THE QUESTION?

31. Was Josiah (Matthew 1:11) or Jehoiakim (1 Chronicles 3:16) the father of Jechoniah?
WRITER:
This question is essentially the same as #30. Jehoiakim was Jeconiah's father and Josiah his grandfather. This is quite acceptable and results from Matthew's aesthetic telescoping of the genealogy, not from any error.

DO READERS AGREE WITH THE WRITERS?

32. Were there fourteen (Matthew 1:17) or thirteen (Matthew 1:12-16) generations from the[b] Babylonian exile until Christ?
WRITERS:[/b]
As Matthew clearly states (1:17), there were fourteen. In the first section there are fourteen names, in the second fifteen and in the third, fourteen. Perhaps the simplest way of resolving the problem is to suggest that in the first and third sections, the first and last person is included as a generation, whereas not in the second. In any case, as Matthew has clearly telescoped his genealogy with good reason, a mistake on his part is by no means shown conclusively. If by some chance another name or two has been lost from the list in the originals, by scribal error, we cannot know. Whatever the real situation, a simple explanation can be afforded, as above.

THE WRITERS DIDN’T MENTION THE ISSUE OF THIRTEEN. WHICH DO WE ACCEPT? THIRTEEN OR FOURTEEN?

33. Who was the father of Shelah; Cainan (Luke 3:35-36) or Arphaxad (Genesis 11:12)?
WRITERS:
Although a conclusive answer is not possible, plausible explanations can be found. The most probable answer to this is that the genealogy in the Masoretic text of Genesis telescopes the generations as does Matthew in his list. When we look at the Septuagint (LXX), we find the name of Cainan included as the father of Shelah, echoing what we find in Luke. Luke, writing in Greek, would have used the Septuagint as his authority.
On that same note, if we refer to the Septuagint, when we look at Genesis 11:12 we find that Apharxad was 135 years old, rather than 35 (which would allow more time for him to be Shelah's grandfather).

IRRELEVANT STATEMENTS ABOVE. WHO WAS THE FATHER OF SHELAH?

34. John the Baptist was (Matthew 11:14; 17:10-13) or was not Elijah to come (John 1:19-21)?
WRITERS:
So, was John Elijah? No. But had the priests and Levites asked him, "Are you the one the prophet Malachi speaks of as 'Elijah'?" John would have responded affirmatively.
Jesus in Matthew 17:11-13 says that the prophecy of Malachi is true, but Elijah had already come. He says that this "Elijah" suffered, like he, Jesus will suffer; "the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist". Therefore, once we understand the context it is clear; John was not the literal Elijah, but he was the Elijah that the prophecy spoke of, the one who was to (and did) prepare the way for the Messiah, Jesus, "the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world", John 1:29.

LOOK AT THE STATEMENT. HE WAS NOT THE LITERAL ELIJAH BUT THE PROPHESIED ELIJAH!!!!,

35. Jesus would (Luke 1:32) or would not (Matthew 1:11; 1 Chronicles 3:16 & Jeremiah 36:30) inherit David's throne?
WRITERS:
This answer follows on directly from that to #26. Having shown that Matthew's genealogy is that of Joseph, it is obvious from Jeremiah 36:30 that none of Joseph's physical descendants were qualified to sit on David's throne as he himself was descended from Jeconiah. However, as Matthew makes clear, Jesus was not a physical descendant of Joseph. After having listed Joseph's genealogy with the problem of his descendance from Jeconiah, Matthew narrates the story of the virgin birth. Thus he proves how Jesus avoids the Jeconiah problem and remains able to sit on David's throne. Luke, on the other hand, shows that Jesus' true physical descendance was from David apart from Jeconiah, thus fully qualifying him to inherit the throne of his father David. The announcement of the angel in Luke 1:32 completes the picture: 'the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David'. This divine appointment, together with his physical descendance, make him the only rightful heir to David's throne.

THE TAIL END OF THIS STATEMENT CONCLUDED THAT JESUS WOULD. SO WHAT HAPPEN TO OTHER CHAPTERS THAT SAID HE WOULD NOT? ( MATHEW 1V11 ETC), HAVE THE WRITERS FORGOTTEN THAT JESUS SAID HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THE WORLD?

37. Simon Peter finds out that Jesus was the Christ by a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17), or by His brother Andrew (John 1:41)?
WRITERS:
The emphasis of Matthew 16:17 is that Simon did not just hear it from someone else: God had made it clear to him. That does not preclude him being told by other people. Jesus' point is that he was not simply repeating what someone else had said. He had lived and worked with Jesus and he was now clear in his mind that Jesus was none other than the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the Living God

DOES THE ABOVE RELATE TO THE QUESTION?

38. Jesus first met Simon Peter and Andrew by the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22), or on the banks of the river Jordan (John 1:42-43)?
WRITERS:
The accusation is that one Gospel records Jesus meeting Simon Peter and Andrew by the sea of Galilee, while the other says he met them by the river Jordan. However this accusation falls flat on its face as the different writers pick up the story in different places. Both are true.
John 1:35 onwards says Jesus met them by the river Jordan and that they spent time with him there. Andrew (and probably Peter too) were disciples of John the Baptist. They left this area and went to Galilee, in which region was the village of Cana where Jesus then performed his first recorded miracle. "After this he went down to Capernaum with his mothers and brothers and disciples. There they stayed for a few days." John 2:12.
Peter and Andrew were originally from a town named Bethsaida (John 2:44) but now lived in Capernaum (Matthew 8:14-15, Mark 1:30-31, Luke 4:38-39), a few miles from Bethsaida. They were fishermen by trade, so it was perfectly normal for them to fish when they were home during these few days (for at this time Jesus was only just beginning public teaching or healing).

CAN BOTH STATEMENT BE TRUE AS PUT BY THE WRITERS? READERS JUDGE.

39. When Jesus met Jairus, his daughter 'had just died' (Matthew 9:18), or was 'at the point of death' (Mark 5:23)?
WRITERS:
When Jairus left his home, his daughter was very sick, and at the point of death, or he wouldn't have gone to look for Jesus. When he met Jesus he certainly was not sure whether his daughter had already succumbed. Therefore, he could have uttered both statements; Matthew mentioning her death, while Mark speaking about her sickness. However, it must be underlined that this is not a detail of any importance to the story, or to us. The crucial points are clear:
Jairus's daughter had a fatal illness.
All that could have been done would already have been: she was as good as dead if not already dead.
Jairus knew that Jesus could both heal her and bring her back from the dead. As far as he was concerned, there was no difference.
Therefore it is really of no significance whether the girl was actually dead or at the point of death when Jairus reached Jesus.'

SO “HAS JUST DIED’ AND “ AT THE POINT OF DEATH HAS TURNED TO SAME THING BABYOSIS?

[b]41. Herod did (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16) or did not (Luke 9:9) think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
WRITERS:[/
b] There is no contradiction here. In Luke 9:9, Herod asks who this incredible person could be, as John was now dead. In Matthew 14:2 and Mark 6:16 he gives his answer: after considering who Jesus could be, he concluded that he must be John the Baptist, raised from the dead. By the time Herod actually met Jesus, at his trial, he may not have still thought that it was John (Luke 23:8-11). If that were the case, he had most probably heard more about him and understood John's claims about preparing for one who was to come (John 1:15-34). He may well have heard that Jesus had been baptised by John, obviously ruling out the possibility that they were the same person.

WERE ALL THESE ASSUMPTION WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE?

42. John the Baptist did (Matthew 3:13-14) or did not (John 1:32-33) recognize Jesus before his baptism?
WRITERS:
John's statement in John 1:33 that he would not have known Jesus except for seeing the Holy Spirit alight on him and remain, can be understood to mean that John would not have known for sure without this definite sign. John was filled with the Holy Spirit from before his birth (Luke 1:15) and we have record of an amazing recognition of Jesus even while John was in his mother's womb. Luke 1:41-44 relates that when Mary visited John's mother, the sound of her greeting prompted John, then still in the womb, to leap in recognition of Mary's presence, as the mother of the Lord.

WHAT SORT OF ANSWER IS THIS? DOES THIS STATEMENT MEAN THAT HE RECOGNISED JESUS AS A RESULT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT ALIGHTED ON HIM?

43. John the Baptist did (John 1:32-33) or did not (Matthew 11:2) recognize Jesus after his baptism?
WRITERS:
In the passage of John 1:29-36 it is abundantly clear that John recognised Jesus. We should have no doubt at all about this.
Matthew 11:2 takes place later on, and many things have happened in the interum. John's original knowledge of Jesus was limited and it seems that subsequent events had disillusioned him somewhat. He did not know exactly what form Jesus' ministry would take.

BABAYOSIS, PLS READ THE ABOVE AND EXPLAIN TO ME PLS.THE EVENTS DILLISIONING HIM (JOHN)!!! MAKING HIM TO WRITE ANOTHER THING. HUH.

(50. Did Jesus die before (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark 15:37-38), or after (Luke 23:45-46) the curtain of the temple was torn?
WRITERS:
After reading the three passages Matthew 27:50-51, Mark 15:37-38 and Luke 23:45-46, it is not clear where the apparent contradictions are that Shabbir has pointed out. All three passages point to the fact that at the time of Jesus' death the curtain in the temple was torn. It does not stand to reason that because both Matthew and Mark mention the event of Christ's death before mentioning the curtain tearing, while Luke mentions it in reverse order, that they are therefore in contradiction, as Matthew states that the two events happened, 'At that moment', and the other two passages nowhere deny this.

COULD THE ABOVE STATEMENT BE TRUE? SEE THE CLEVERNESS OF THE WRITERS. DIDN’T THEY READ THE CHAPTERS VERY WELL, MATHEW AND MARK AGREED THAT JESUS DIED BEFORE THE CURTAIN WHILE LUKE SAID IT WAS AFTER THE CURTAIN. THE WRITERS WERE TRYING TO SAY THEY BOTH MEANT SAME THING SO FAR CUTAIN WAS TORN!. IS THAT THE TRUTH BABYOSIS?

51. Did Jesus say everything openly (John 18:20) or did he speak secretly to his disciples (Mark 4:34, Matthew 13:10-11)?

[b]VERY FUNNY WRITERS. THE QUESTION IS “DID JESUS SAY EVERYTHING OPENLY OR SECRETLY”? BUT YOUR WRITERS DODGED THIS QUESTION BEATING ABOUT THE BUSH EXPLAINING WHAT PARABLE IS!! WHAT HAS PARABLE GOT TO DO WITH THE ABOVE QUESTION? YOUR WRITERS LAID EMPHASIS ON JOHN 18V20 BUT IGNORING MARK 4V34 AND MATHEW 13V1-11. WHAT A STRATEGY!
BABYOSIS PLS, TELL THE NAIRALANDERS, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SPEAKING IN PARABLES AND SPEAKING OPENLY OR SECRETLY.

52. Was Jesus on the cross (Mark 15:23) or in Pilate's court (John 19:14) at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?[/b]
WRITERS: The simple answer to this is that the synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark and Luke) employed a different system of numbering the hours of day to that used by John. The synoptics use the traditional Hebrew system, where the hours were numbered from sunrise (approximately 6:00am in modern reckoning), making the crucifixion about 9:00am, the third hour by this system,
John, on the other hand, uses the Roman civil day.

WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN. WHAT IS THE PROOF TO THE ABOVE?

53. The two thieves crucified with Jesus either did (Mark 15:32) or did not (Luke 23:43) mock Jesus?
WRITERS:
This apparent contradiction asks did both thieves crucified with Jesus mock him or just one. Mark 15:23 says both did. Luke 23:43 says one mocked and one defended Jesus. It isn't too difficult to see what it going on here. The obvious conclusion is that both thieves mocked Jesus initially. However after Jesus had said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing," one of the robbers seems to have had a change of heart and repented on the cross, while the other continued in his mocking.

WHERE ON EARTH IS THIS EXPLANATION IN THE BIBLE BABYOSIS PLS?

54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion (Luke 23:43), or two days later (John 20:17)?
WRITERS:
Jesus says to the thief on the cross "Today you will be with me in Paradise". This was indeed true. For the thief was to die that same day on earth; but in paradise "today" is any day in this world, as Heaven is outside of time.

READERS, DID YOU SEE THE ABOVE?

55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice (Acts 9:7), or did they not (Acts 22:9)?
WRITERS:
Although the same Greek word is used in both accounts (akouo), it has two distinct meanings: to perceive sound and to understand. Therefore, the explanation is clear: they heard something but did not understand what it was saying. Paul, on the other hand, heard and understood. There is no contradiction.

CAN BABYOSIS TELL ME IF HEARING A VOICE AND NOT UNDERSTAND IS THE SAME AS NOT HEARING?

56. When Paul saw the light and fell to the ground, did his traveling companions fall (Acts 26:14) or did they not fall (Acts 9:7) to the ground?
WRITERS:
There are two possible explanations of this point. The word rendered 'stood' also means to be fixed, to be rooted to the spot. This is something that can be experienced whether standing up or lying down.
An alternative explanation is this: Acts 26:14 states that the initial falling to the ground occurred when the light flashed around, before the voice was heard. Acts 9:7 says that the men 'stood speechless' after the voice had spoken. There would be ample time for them to stand up whilst the voice was speaking to Saul, especially as it had no significance or meaning to them. Saul, on the other hand, understood the voice and was no doubt transfixed with fear as he suddenly realized that for so long he had been persecuting and killing those who were following God. He had in effect been working against the God whom he thought he was serving. This terrible realization evidently kept him on the ground longer than his companions.

HUH BABYOSIS AND THE WRITERS? WAS ANSWER PROVIDED HERE? , NO. WHERE WAS THE STORY OF LONGER STAYING ON THE GROUND WRITTEN?

57. Did the voice tell Paul what he was to do on the spot (Acts 26:16-18), or was he commanded to go to Damascus to be told what to do (Acts 9:7; 22:10)?
WRITERS:
Paul was told his duties in Damascus as can be seen from Acts 9 and 22. However in Acts 26 the context is different. In this chapter Paul doesn't worry about the chronological or geographical order of events because he is talking to people who have already heard his story.
DID THE READERS READ THE ABOVE? SO PAUL ASSUMED THAT THEY HAVE HEARD THE STORY SO NEED TO TELL THEM AGAIN. THE ABOVE MEANT THAT ACTS 26V16-18 WAS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE WRITERS COS THEY MADE ME UNDERATAND THAT WAS TOLD HIS DUTIES. CAN BABYOSIS TELL ME WHAT STANDARD DID THEY USED IN ACCEPTING THAT HE WAS TOLD IN DAMASCUS AND NOT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE INCIDENT??

59. Did 70 members of the house of Jacob come to Egypt (Genesis 46:27), or was it 75 members (Acts 7:14)?
WRITERS:
This apparent contradiction asks how many members of the house of Jacob went to Egypt. The two passages contrasted are Genesis 46:27 and Acts 7:14. However both passages are correct. In the Genesis 46:1-27 the total number of direct descendants that traveled to Egypt with Jacob were 66 in number according to verse 26. This is because Judah was sent on ahead in verse 28 of Chapter 46 and because Joseph and his two sons were already in Egypt. However in verse 27 all the members of the family are included, including Joseph and his sons and Judah making a total number of 70, referring to the total number of Jacob's family that ended up in Egypt not just those that traveled with him to Egypt.
CAN BABYOSIS ADD UP THE ABOVE AND TELL ME HOW THEY ARRIVE AT 70 OR 75?

60. Did Judas buy a field (Acts 1:18) with his blood-money for betraying Jesus, or did he throw it into the temple (Matthew 27:5)?
WRITERS:
This apparent contradiction asks, 'What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?' In Acts 1:18 it is claimed that Judas bought a field. In Matthew 27:5 it was thrown into the Temple from where the priests used it to buy a field. However, upon closer scrutiny it appears one passage is just a summary of the other
HOW COME THE PASSAGES ARE SUMMARIZING EACH OTHER. WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BUYING A FIELD AND THROWING THE MONEY INTO THE TEMPLE? IS THERE ANY RELATIONSHIP BABYOSIS?

61. Did Judas die by hanging himself (Matthew 27:5) or by falling headlong and bursting open with all his bowels gushing out (Acts 1:18)?
WRITERS:
This alleged contradiction is related to the fact that Matthew in his Gospel speaks of Judas hanging himself but in Acts 1:18 Luke speaks about Judas falling headlong and his innards gushing out. However both of these statements are true.
Matthew 27:1-10 mentioned the fact that Judas died by hanging himself in order to be strictly factual. Luke, however in his report in Acts1:18-19 wants to cause the feeling of revulsion among his readers, for the field spoken about and for Judas, and nowhere denies that Judas died by hanging. According to tradition, it would seem that Judas hanged himself on the edge of a cliff, above the Valley of Hinnom. Eventually the rope snapped, was cut or untied and Judas fell upon the field below as described by Luke.
WHERE DID THE WRITERS OBTAINED THEIR STORIES FROM PLS BABYOSIS?

67. Was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve Thaddaeus (Matthew 10:1-4; Mark 3:13-19) or Judas, son of James (Luke 6:12-16)?
WRITERS:
Both can be correct. It was not unusual for people of this time to use more than one name. Simon, or Cephas was also called Peter (Mark 3:16), and Saul was also called Paul (Acts 13:9). In neither case is there a suggestion that either was used exclusively before changing to the other. Their two names were interchangeable.
CAN BABYOSIS GO THROUGH HER BIBLE AND TELL IF THE TWO NAMES ARE THE SAME.

69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime after the Passover meal (Mark 14:12-17) or the daytime before the Passover meal ( John 13:1, 30, 29; 18:28; 19:14)?
WRITERS:
Jesus was crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal. The reason why Mark seems to say it was after is one of culture and contextualising.
The evidence from the Gospels that Jesus died on the eve of the Passover, when the Passover meal would be eaten after sunset, is very solid. Before we delve (albeit briefly) into this issue, it is worth noting that Mark 14 records that Jesus does not eat the Passover with his disciples.
IT MEANS THAT THE OTHER CHAPTER ABOUT JESUS DYING AT DAYTIME IS INCORRECT? WHERE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT PLS WHEN THEY WERE WRITING ALL THESE? SO WHAT MADE YU BABYOSIS ACCEPTED THAT HE DIED ON THE EVE?

70. Did Jesus both pray (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42) or not pray (John 12:27) to the Father to prevent the crucifixion?
WRITERS:
This apparent contradiction asks: 'Did Jesus pray to the Father to prevent the crucifixion?' Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36 and Luke 22:42 are supposed to imply that he does. John 12:27, however, seems to say that he doesn't. In all of these passages Jesus never asks for the Crucifixion to be prevented but does express his fears of the difficulties, pain and suffering that he is going to encounter over the next few hours, in the form of his trials, beatings, whippings, loneliness and alienation from people and God on the Cross, the ordeal of crucifixion itself and the upcoming triumph over Satan.
HAVE U ALL FORGOTTEN THAT JESUS PRAYED TO GOD TO LIFT THE CUP FROM HIM NOT AS JESUS WILLED BUT AS GOD WILLED? SO WHAT IS BABYOSIS AND THE REST IMPLYING?

71. Did Jesus move away three times (Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42) or once (Luke 22:39-46) from his disciples to pray?
WRITERS:
Note that the Luke passage nowhere states that Jesus did not leave the disciples three times to go and pray. Because he does not mention all three times does not imply that Jesus did not do so. Obviously Luke did not consider that fact to be relevant to his account. We must remember that Luke's Gospel is thought of as the third Gospel to have been put to paper chronologically, therefore it would make sense for him not to regurgitate information found in the other two gospels.
LUKE DID NOT CONSIDER IT RELEVANT SO HE DIDN’T ADD THE THREE TIMES BUT ONLY A TIME IS RELEVANT TO HIM HUH? VERY FUNNY STATEMENT FROM A PROFESSOR.

75. Were the last words that Jesus spook "Father into thy hands I commit my spirit" (Luke 23:46), or "It is finished" (John 19:30)?
WRITERS:
'What were the last words of Jesus before he died?' is the question asked by Shabbir in this supposed contradiction. This does not show a contradiction any more than two witnesses to an accident at an intersection will come up with two different scenarios of that accident, depending on where they stood. Neither witness would be incorrect, as they describe the event from a different perspective. Luke was not a witness to the event, and so is dependent on those who were there. John was a witness. What they are both relating, however, is that at the end Jesus gave himself up to death.
[b]SO CANT THE HOLY SPIRIT PUT LUKE THROUGH FOR THE FACT THAT HE WASN’T THERE. WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT JOHN WAS AN EYE WITNESS? SO IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE TWO MUST COME WITH DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS. WHERE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO TEACH YOU WHAT JESUS DIDN’T.TEACH? READERS THIS FOR YOU PLS.

77. Did Adam die the same day (Genesis 2:17) or did he continue to live to the age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)?
WRITERS:
The Scriptures describe death in three ways; 1) Physical death which ends our life on earth, 2) spiritual death which is separation from God, and 3) eternal death in hell. The death spoken of in Genesis 2:17 is the second death mentioned in our list, that of complete separation from God, while the death mentioned in Genesis 5:5 is the first death, a physical death which ends our present life.
WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO THE SECOND DEATH. WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE BABYOSIS.

79. Apart from Jesus there was no-one else (John 3:13) or there were others (2 Kings 2:11) who ascended to heaven?
WRITERS
: he is claiming that no one has ascended to heaven to bring down the message that he brought.
WHERE WAS THAT WRITTEN THAT NO ONE HAS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN TO BRING DOWN MESSAGE. DID HE HIMSELF ASCENDED TO HEAVEN TO BRING MESSAGE.WHAT MESSAGE DID HE BRING? READERS JUDGE

81. Was Jesus' body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs (John 19:39-40), or did the women come and administer the spices later (Mark 16:1)?
WRITERS:
John 19:39,40 clearly states that Joseph and Nicodemus wrapped the body in 75 pounds of myrrh and aloes, along with strips of linen. We also know from the synoptic writers that the body was placed in a large shroud. There need be no contradiction here. The fact that the synoptics do not mention the spices during the burial does not mean that they were not used.
If Mark 16:1 is taken to mean that the women were hoping to do the whole burial process themselves, they would need the strips of linen as well, which are not mentioned. It is likely that they simply wished to perform their last act of devotion to their master by adding extra spices to those used by Joseph.
BABYOSIS READ THE ABOVE YOURSELF PLS.

[b]82. D

Hvila and the rest,

i believe this is a forum in which we share knowledge and enlighten some people. and i believe some are in the dark and are being saved through our postings on this site.

having gonme through the chapters and verse in which jesus said he will gho so that the comforter would come. jesus also if the spirit (as you put ) comes, he will decalre what is his, he would tell you things aside what jeesus has taught you.

please what has holy spirit taught you and where can i find them in the bible as regasrds to adultery, divorce case, issue of will, orpahan, role of women, witnesses, contract agreement, trusts, trade and property, tratment of the poor, marriage, etc.

babyosis,
am still on it pls. this is to let you know tht am on it, again, your clever writers couldnt resp0nd to Shabbir;s let alone mine. am still waiting for explanation on my own contradictions too.

ISLAM SEPARATES TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.

babyosis,
i will answer every verse from 1 to 101.
i believe in nairaland are wise people, they will be the judge to some of the write ups by your writers. your writers tried to act wise but Allah is wiser than all of them. am still working on it. its a little bit lenghty as a result of answering every verses and chapters from 1 to 101. and by the time i am true, if Allah needs you, He will open you and Havila's heart to Islam, a religion without crookedness, without falsehood.

u and your writers failed to answer Shabbir's let alone my own 101.

a liitle patience pls, am almost true

before it is ready, enjoy the below Quranic chapters and verses to buttress my coming bombshell ( Insha Allah). TRUTH HAS COME, FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

it is Allah's promise, no man's religion will overcome Islam.

Quran 2v23: and if you (arab pagans, jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (the Quran) to Our Slave (Muhammed (saw), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah if you are truthful

Quran 10v38: Or do they say :”Muhammed (saw) has forged it?” say: “bring then a Surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whosoever you can besides Allah if you are truthful.

Quran 11v13: or do they say,” He (Prophet Muhammed saw) forged it? (the Quran)? Say,”bring you then ten (10) forged Surahs (chapters) like unto it, and call whomever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth”.

Quran 17 v 88: say, “ if mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.

Quran 6v156-157: lest you (pagan arabs) should say “the Book was sent down only to two sects before us (the jews and the Christians), and for our part, we were in fact unaware of what they studied. (157): or lest you (pagan arabs) should say, “if only the Book hjad been sent down to us, we would surely have been better guided than they (jews and Christians)”. So now has come to you unto you a clear proof (the QURAN) from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy, who then does more wrong than one who rejects the prrofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations etc of Allah and turns away therefrom/ we shall requite those who turn away from our revelation with an evil torment, because of their turning away from them.

HAPPY READING, ON THEEEEEE WAAAAAAAAAAY

ISLAM IS ALLAH'S RELIGION. BE WISE TODAY, ACCEPT ISLAM

babyosis,

am sure u will hold your head in shame and tear your bible by the time am through with my response.

you have a very clever writer but my response is on the way

to havila<

can you tell me what the holy spirit has told you aside jesus,

what has he told you on adultery, treatment of orphan, sharing of will, treatment of women, treating the issue of divorce, politics, marriage etc.

more is still coming, i want your reply pls.

havila and babyosis,

why gave you the impression that i copied what Shabbir wrote. go through it and you will find some differences. meaning that from some of his, we have more than 101 contradictions. start from 1 and compare with Shabbir's.

my response to the full write is coming soon based on Quranic and biblical quotes. and if you dont know i was a christian like you and i make my research before i post it here. your writer (s) was trying to play smart and i will do justice to everything soon.

now to omoobajesu
Omoobajesu,

From your second paragraph, u said that jesus did not teach you what to say but that the holy spirit will.

Can you please tell me what the holy spirit taught you aside jesus’s and also show me the verse or chapter that the holy spirit told u new things in which jesus never told you.

babyosis,[/b]re: By: Jay Smith, Alex Chowdhry, Toby Jepson, James Schaeffer

you and your writer are very funny. if there is any other english to be used aside funny, i would have used it. cant u urself see the dodgedness of the writer trying to use own his discretion in answering the issue. has he forgotten that Allah's curse is on those that have seen the truth and are avoiding/ misleading people from the truth.

u also sent the below

[b]A Definition of Inspiration:

In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all Scripture is inspired. The word used for inspiration is theopneustos which means "God-breathed," implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2 Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were "carried along" by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

the satement said the writers were carried along and that God used each writer to accomplsh a divinely authoritative work.

u said God cannot ispire error. was those contradictions not error?

also, ur writers refused writing the real verses from the quran, quoting it differently and giving their own meanings. but Insha Allah, i will reply everything tomorrow cos of time constraint.

he was trying to play smart by telling you t ignore the contradictions.

if one thing said two and another said twelve, will you accept the two as same?.

if truly the writers were inspired, did God inspired them to write different things.

also you were claiming that it the bible undergo different translations from Hebrew to Greek and to other languages and that could be part of the reasons for the contradictions.

let me ask you again, didnt the Holy Quran undergo same translations, why dont we see different in Yussuf Ali's Quran and others? why does it apply to only your bible. pls read jeremiah 8 v8.

be expecting my full response to your response and also to wrong quotations from our Holy QURAN as being quoted by your writers.

i just pity your so called writers for devising crook means trying to mislead you more having realised the truth. May Allah show you HIS Light

DO NOT BE DECEIVED, ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION BEFORE GOD. ACCEPT ISLAM TODAY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. NO NNED FOR BLOOD ATONEMENT LIKE IDOL WORSHIPPERS

Thupsie,

Well, thanks for the mail. Haven’t u been following threads on nairaland. Haven’t u been seeing and reading what your friends in the like of babyosis, forgiven, havila, davidylan etc have been against Islam, Holy Prophet and the Holy Quran?
Now, are u telling me that the book of Isaiah is the only book that contain the “real”words of God / what of other authors/ have they become irrelevant? and which words of God you told me was written through prophets.

If you don’t know, am not saying the bible is totally wrong, we were even told to believe in all scriptures but not the present bible of today cos it has been adulterated to suit the jews some Christian sects. You yourself will be aware that each denomination has its own bible designed to suit its method of worship ( eg deeper having king james version even compelling their follower to be using it, Jehovah witness having theirs, catholic having theirs and each has one or two chapters, verses different from each other etc) and it shouldn’t be like that and above is part of the adulteration that rendered the bible full of discrepancies etc. which bible did jesus used, was it king james version, new American bible, new English translation, revised standard version, Jehovah witness bible, catholic bible, good news etc? Also from what I posted up, you would have seen with all honesty that the bible contain the words of men, words of God, words of prophets, irrelevant words etc.

Why should a holy book contain two opposite things from the same bible, how do you inteprete that. Am not condemning the bible but its the truth, the earlier you accept, the better for you, I was once a Christian, ( but that’s not the issue for today that will be later). Must a holy book contain two contradictory statements?

Am still waiting for babyosis and the rest findings based on what I posted?

Now to babyosis and the rest of your friends in the like of Forgiven, havila etc. below is what the owner of the books said in order to know that a certain book is from him. Lets use it and apply to the issue at hand.


Quran 4v82: do they not then consider(reflect/ponder) the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (Allah,God/Ellah/Chineke/Olorun/Osanobua etc), they would surely have FOUND THEREIN MANY CONTRADICTIONS.

Am waiting for all ur response.

Maa salam.

ISLAM IS THE NOAH’S ARK OF TODAY EMBARK ON IT AND BE SAVED. ONLY ALLAH CAN SAVE. BE WISE, ACCEPT THE RELIGION OF THE WISE

omoobajesu,

am waiting for the reasons that made u turn to Christian. i want you to share it with us pls with relevant chapters, verses or even quotes.

am already on the right religion, the light, and i pray, may God shgow the way before it will be too late.

amwaiting for the reasons pls

Babyosis,

If u like, u can abuse me from now till eternity for all I care. Why cant u accept the truth instead of devising another strategy.

Have u forgotten that u posted a similar thread sometimes ago when a man posted similar contradictions and you were confused and suprised for the fact that uve not come across it in your bible , didn’t u check them up? Instead of you to admit the contradictions, you are putting up a lost battleand trying to divert the questions? You have your bible with you why don’t u go over and verify?

Are we here to discuss Mohammed (SAW) or contradictions? Don’t change the topic pls, we will only change the topic until u answer those discrepancies up.

Am waiting for your conclusion, or maybe you and the rest of your friends in the like of Havila, unforgiven etc should treat it one after the other as from number till the last one. Eg

WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

How do we explain the above?

Also

WHEN DID THE STORY OF THE FISHERMEN HAPPENED?

Luke 5v1: the story of the fishermen happened at the beginning of Jesus’ mission (see also Mathew 4v18).
John 21v1: the story of the fishermen happened after jesus was resurrected from the dead.
Which do we choose.

Am waiting for your response.

Good day

Rhamz,

Thanks for the response. U and Akinagirl are very unlike Havila, unforgiven and the rest that are beating about the bush failing to address the issue but rather attack the fellow.

am not trying to condemn or whatwever but bring out the truth but these people having realised the truth decided to turn the table.

am waiting for their conclusion based on the research made be havila, unforgiven, babyosis.

To Havila,
‘Ve always said it. May God forgive for the use of vulgar language, Is that how you are being to address issue? Must u use vulgar language to drive home ur point. I wonder how your wife and kids will be coping with u that is if u r married. U lack manners of approach.

To forgiven, babyosis and the rest,

Why do u like attacking individual rather than address the issue. Why don’t u take ur time to address the issue from your bible. I wonder what all of you will say when you comje across those contradictions and I wonder how you will be able to defend your bible.

If you don’t know, the Holy Quran has been in existence for more than 1400 years yet you can see different versions giving different meanings like the case of bible in which a verse may say four while another one saying six. Is that part of inspiration. You and the rest surprised me a lot, having seen the truth, you failed to condemn the writers of your bibles but condemning the fellow that brought out the truth for you to see. I ask again is it part of inspiration that made them write different things. Why don’t you sleep and think over the sleepleness it has been causing the Christian world as a result of a verse contradicting another verse from the same bible!

I will implore you to do a thorough search like sister and see for yourself.

Am waiting based on your conclusion.

akinagirl,

thanks for the response. i was very happy reading through your thread.

you can always check for new postings or new topicson nairaland and am sure you will one or two things here without being biased but with the view of learning new things. we are hear to learn and acquire additional about other's religion and way of life, also knowledge stops until one dies. this is not the issue of arguing over trivial issue. everything is based on ones ability to prove one's sayings.

unlike some that based their argument or sayings on irrelevant topics without having enough proof to back it up.

till i hear from you again, stay cool

[b]B.Sc/HND and the way forward for Nigerian Educational System[/b]

Permit me to contribute my quota on the above-mentioned issue.

Am not trying to condemn one at the expense of other but to shed some lights on some of the problems facing poly graduates and also state university graduates and the way forward for Nigerian educational system.

There is this widespread discrimination of Polytechnics graduates as against University graduates, Federal Universities against State Universities, Federal Polytechnic against State Polytechnic.

Though u may blame many organizations contributing to the discriminatory acts but sincerely speaking, the discrimination is being caused by the way Nigerian educational system has been set up right from inception and I don’t think anything can be done on that.

Should there be any difference between University graduates (be it state or Federal) or between State and Federal polytechnics? There shouldn’t be.

Some are ashamed when telling people where they graduated from. What is the stigma in having HND or going to State Universities?

Why do employer of labour accept Universities graduates and rejects polytechnic graduates. Some of the reasons include (if not all):

1. The Nigerian Education gave more priorities to University graduates than Polytechnic graduates.
2. It may be as a result of running Masters programmes and PhDs.
3. They believe Polytechnics are inferior to Universities.
4. They have professors that lecture them.
5. they use it as a yard stick in short listing, or probably reducing applicants.
6. and so on. Please add if you know more.

So now lets go into the issue proper

Let me ask this question, what is the future of Nigerian education with the way things are going. I learnt with great disappointment what Nigerian Banks are doing to polytechnic graduates and State university graduate. Some banks laid off their workers because of their educational background forgetting that some of the big names in banking sector graduated from State universities and Polytechnics. We also have GM's ED's and MD's that graduated from Polytechnics and also from State Universities in some corporate organizations in Nigeria including banks.

Can someone pls tell me , what is the yardstick used in detecting that Federal University graduates perform better than the rest?

Or is it because polytechnics in Nigeria don't have the constitutional backings to run Masters and PhD programs.

It is even alarming to hear that you need to go extra year at the university for PGD before you can go for Bsc., though some Universities accept distinction and Upper only. But can somebody tell me, why the need for PGD when u have already spent five years or more at the polytechnic. What’s the need of going for additional 1 year at university when they say they are both on the same level?

Now, am not trying to discriminate. Some people do say its only the Engineering products of polytechnics that are more better cos they do more of practical than Universities and that Universities are better off than Polytechnics in theory. Let me add this, has anyone seen and compared polytechnic course outline right from ND 1 till Hnd compared to University from 100 level. Polytechnics tend to do more courses than universities (quote me wrong).

It is being said that polytechnics do more of practical while universities do more of theory.i.e HND is a qualification with technical bias while the university degree is a theoretical qualification.
Even if this is applied, we can’t categorically say that university will be better off compared to polytechnic. I believe it s based on individual and also the lecturer that handle the course. For example, a lower credit holder in one school may become a distinction holder in another school while a distinction holder in one school may come out with pass in another school. Also a 2.1 holder in one school may come with third class in another school and vice versa. The same principle applies to state university as against federal.

To buttress my point, I graduated from a polytechnic, even state polytechnic (Laspotech to be precise. They have some of their products doing well in organizations. I came out with upper credit (3.30) which I know if its some schools, it would have graduated with distinction as a result of their making scheme and other factors. I have my job, also respected in my organization as a result of my contribution towards the achievement of organizational objectives. Now, during my days at the polytechnic, I do runs i.e going as far as Unilag, Lasu, OOU to sit for student writing exams. I noticed that when I got to exams hall and given the questions papers, most of the questions were not different from what I have been facing in polytechnics and some of the questions were not detailed as supposed to be. (pls am not discriminating or trying to prove too know but trying to make sense). Also there is nothing Bsc holder can’t do that I cannot do too even better.
Secondly in my organization, I happen to be part of the recruitment, selection and placement team. We do give both polytechnic and university equal opportunity to prove his or her worth. But noticed that some polytechnic graduates do perform better than universities for the fact that there is this inferiority complex among some of the polytechnic graduates and as a result tends to put extra effort in proving his/her worth in which at the long run he/she is chosen for the job having defended his/her result. Here, the Federal universities believes having graduated from federal school would provide better chance (though it does to some extent) but unknowingly he/she has greater role to play cos he must be able to defend the federal result because going through applicant’s cv, one of the thing that strikes or catches your intention is the school of the applicant. Some university graduates find it difficult to solve simple problems in their areas of specialization while Hnd does. Am not saying all polytechnics are better off than university but they should all be placed on the same level playing ground The reason for this statement is that it is being said that university is better off than polytechnic. but I believe what makes you a professional are the skills (human, technical and conceptual skills) you have acquired which you can use to make positive changes to improve the well-being of the society and your country.

Now lets go to Nigeria in terms of corporate organizations (employment) and not in the academics. I know of people who had masters but because of their HND background, they never got beyond a particular level. He/she may not be able to rise above a certain position if he does not upgrade his/her qualification. It is being said that people go to polytechnics cos they lack university prerequisites and also fail jamb. Though I agree some do but some do go to polytechnic cos of the experience derived through Siwes and Industrial Training and also cos of the courses done in polytechnics. The discrimination against Hnd graduates exist and there's also a stigma associated to it in the Corporate world in Nigeria unless it’s a company in which you can rise from the position of an office assistant to Managing Director, but if not, u remain where you are in an organisation and I don’t think it can be reversed.

One of the major difference between university and polytechnic graduates is the way it is perceived in the society and honestly some polytechnic graduates have this inferiority complex. Having forgotten that perception of yourself is a determines your altitude. Have u also forgotten that the one in you makes you the you in you. It is disgusting how we use paper work to set standard as against acquired skills in getting the best person to do the job.

Now having said the above, I believe sooner, Nigerian educational will crumble. The fall will be caused majorly by corporate organizations that adopt the method of using paper work in their selection and particularly National Assembly for their failure in listening to the cries of graduates in this country. Paper work like, the applicant must be from federal university, must have 2.1 or 2.2 thereby sidelining other degree others and polytechnics even if you have distinction.

Now, as this is happening, there is declining population in Nigerian polytechnics while there is massive increase in the number of students seeking admission to universities. The reason not far-fetched from the fact that it is believed by some that polytechnics are being considered as a waste of time, state universities not having standard up to federal universities and that federal universities is the best etc.

Students will be interested in paper work not concerned about the skill so far its federal universities. Also, students in their quest for good grade, will turn to bribery, cultism, and other illegal means of acquiring goo grade at all cost. When this happen, universities certificates will turn to mere paper work cos of students’ quest for good grade not minding how its being got. On the other hand, polytechnics will be thriving well as a result of the inferiority complex, low turn out of students etc. this will make the few students sit tight, facing their studies, and work towards achieving good grade in order to be able to face their counter parts in the Nigerian labour market. Lecturers will want to prove to Nigerians that polytechnics is the best thereby putting additional effort in bringing out the best out of the polytechnic graduates. When this happens, education in Nigeria will be falling and graduates will not be able to meet up to expectation. This will lead to disgrace within and outside the shore of Nigerian.

Conclusively, based on all the above, am not trying to say that polytechnic is not good or university is the best, but each should be given equal opportunity to defend himself/herself in the labour market. Some polytechnics graduates do better than universities and vice versa. So paper work shouldn’t be use as a yard stick in determining the best.

Also I think what the government should do is that due to the massive discrimination of polytechnic graduates, the government should either increase some courses in the curricular or do something that will make both equal or turn all polytechnics to universities and also pass the bill that will give them equal rights everywhere in corporate settings. If government cannot do this, it will be better for government to scrap polytechnics rather than subjecting polytechnic graduates to all sort of discrimination. Some polytechnic graduates are better than university graduates but their school (or paper work out) wont allow them a step forward.

Now to banks, I believe not all their investors are from universities, we also have polytechnic graduates. The polytechnics graduates should have their money withdrawn from those banks that discriminate. I believe if this is done, it will instill a sort of seriousness on the part of the banks cos some of the banks MD graduated from polytechnics or state universities, so why the discrimination. Should this be used a yardstick for selection? No I disagree. Let everybody be given equal opportunity.

I believe if this is done, Nigerian society will be better off in terms of technical skills and employment of competent staffs that will move this Nigeria forward and stop the discrimination and over reliance on paper work.

I still need more contributions pls, we need to come out and say our view on the current happenings and proffer the solution to it thereby moving Nigeria forward. Your opinion may be different from mine but it is allowed. We need to share ideas. Thank you

SALAM TO ALL MUSLIMS FAITHFUL
I felicitate with you on this Holy month of Ramadhan because we will never see this kind of reward in any month aside this month and its once in every year, May Allah continue to guide us and increase our knowledge. May he increase our Fear Towards him so that will always remember him during this Holy month and after and throughout our lives.

I just want to use this thread to reach to all Muslims in the world that as we are now in the last ten (10) days of the Holy month of Ramadhan, every fasting Muslims should make haste towards the doing of good, nawafil, supplications, running away from sins more than the first twenty days of the holy month.

Every Muslims should increase their charity, good deeds, kindness, nawafil, supplications, etc

Also we are now in the last ten days of the holy month of Ramadhan in which the Quran was revealed to holy Prophet Muhammed (SAW), Torah for Moses (ASWS), Injeel for Isa (Jesus) (ASWS), Zaburah for Dahood (David).

Furthermore, it is also in the last ten days we have the Laelatul Quadri (Night of Majesty) in which the reward therein is better then 1,000 months , meaning we should endeavour to benefit from this holy month because we may never have the opportunity again in our life to witness another Ramadhan.

This is the night in which whatever you ask Allah, He will surely do it for you and its also the month in which your not too good destiny will be changed. Its also the time when the angels will be supplicating for you asking for Alah mercies and Blessings on all muslims.
Please my brothers and sisters in Islam, lets make use of this opportunity and search for the Night of Majesty in total submission to His will. Lets pray in the middle of the night more than we’ve been doing, Lets supplicate for Him more than before. He is closer to us than our jugular vein, there is no help from anywhere except from Him, why not call on him to solve your problems for you. He is the only One that saves.

May Allah accept our fasting, Ibadah, kindness and all the good deeds we’ve been doing and forgive all our past sins, present sins, the one committed knowingly and unknowingly and admit us into Al-Janah.

JAZAKALAH KHAIRA
MAA SALAM

davidylan,

why cant u repost what u wrote before if they are truly genuine.
like i said earlier, u have nothing concrete to say to it.

you have accepted that the bible contains the above and riddled with terrorism.

YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

BE WISE ACCEPT ISLAM TODAY,
ISLAM IS THE NOAH'S ARK OF TODAY, EMBARK ON IT AND BE SAVED

catch you on another thread. take care

Akinagirl,

thanks for your response. i realy appreciate the time taken in reading the bible. if every christians have been doing like this, they would have known most things which they havent instead of relying on what they hear people say rather than find out themselves.

now back to what u said on the above chapter,
2sam 24v13
1st chronicle 21v2

firstly, what bible version did u use.
now both verse you read said three years.
i believe we are all learning each day, no one is here to condemn anybody to bring out some facts which may be unkown to some

now, both the above verse said three years in Greek version but 2sam 24 v13 said seven in Hebrew version.

so Akinagirl what do you say to this, more power to your elbow as your explain the other chapters out of the 101 i listed on this tread.

take care.

davidylan,

it seems u r running from this tread. u have no positive response to the thread.

see ya

Davidlyan,

Ve notived from all your response to every issue that u lack manner of approach, must u use vulgar language in order to drive home your point. Was it part of Christianity to be abusive when sharing knowledge.

No muslim can ever run from you. We are with the truth and you with falsehood. Truth has come and falsehood is bound to perish.

In addition u love shying away from every questions thrown at you, thereby creating another questions when the one at hand has not been addressed. And I will be very happy if you can answer my question this time for the benefit of Christians reading these threads.

Also I don’t know why u like attacking individual and not go through the thread when u have your bible with you. Uve not given answer to all questions posed at you, rather u devised strategies by running away from every questions.

This time u cant run or hide, get your bible and verify urself and provide me answer.

You are claiming that the bible has no contradiction, I wonder where you will hide this time.
To shed more light, this is what the owner of holy books said in order to know his book

Quran 4v82: do they not then consider(reflect/ponder) the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (God/Ellah/Chineke/Olorun/Osanobua etc), they would surely have FOUND THEREIN MANY CONTRADICTIONS.

So lets apply the above to all bible chapters and verses too.

Now, u have a new convert that came to you having read the bible and came through the undrlisted contradictions, how will you bail him out and which will you tell him is right out of every two options for every numbered issues and why will you choose one leaving the other. How will you explain the contradictions to him

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

WHICH OF THE OPTIONS WILL U CHOOSE AND WHY.
PROVE TO ME THAT THEY ARE NOT CONTRADICTIONS. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO MAKE THE AUTHORS WRITE DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN HE SAID IN ISAIAH THAT HE IS NOT AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.

AM WAITING FOR YOUR ANWER. NO HIDING PLACE FOR YOU THIS TIME, NO DIVERTING QUESTIONS. prove that they r not contradictions

Bobbyaf,
thanks for the response. but i want us to apply the above verse to the issue. it is what the owner of the holy books in order to know his book

Quran 4v82: do they not then consider(reflect/ponder) the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (God/Ellah/Chineke/Olorun/Osanobua etc), they would surely have FOUND THEREIN MANY A CONTRADICTIONS.

Now based on the above, can God tell an author five and in another chapter seven, thats confusion, but the book of Isaiah made u known that God is not of confusiion.

now with all sincerity, if u come across the below, which one will u choose and why

WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

which one is correct? and why

also

HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

in all honesty, the Quran has been in existence for more than 1400 years and wont find things like the above.

conclusively,

the bible contains words of God, words of men, words of prophets, irrelevant words etc. quote me wrong.

am not trying to condemn your book but bring out the truth cos i believe in the all the revelations sent right from Abraham to Jesus.

but how do you explain the above to a new convert?

Donnie,

Please answer yes or no to these questions: Is there not a portion of the Koran where Jesus is called the way the truth and the life?

Is there not a portion where He is refered to as the one who will judge the earth?

the above subject matter refers.

based on ur thread up,i want u to tell me where in the Quran Jesus was called the way, the truth and life.

secondly, i want u to tell me where he is referred to as the one that will judge the earth.

please am waiting for the chapters.

<offtopic>>

so Davidylan and the rest, u've seen that u have no right to say that Quran contain violent because your bible has it all.

it seems u have no relevant answer to my thread, see u later.

<<offopic>>

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

17. How many were the children of Zattu?

Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

18. How many were the children of Azgad?

One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

19. How many were the children of Adin?

Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)

23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)

26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)

27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)

28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)

29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
Joram (Matthew 1:
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

33. Who was the father of Shelah?
Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)

35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.

37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.

40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)

42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)

43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)

44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)

45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)

46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)

50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)

53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus? Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)

55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)

56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground? Yes (Acts 26:14)
No (Acts 9:7)

57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:

59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

61. How did Judas die?
After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

63. Who is a ransom for whom?
The Son of Man came, to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all, (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)

64. Is the law of Moses useful?
Yes. All scripture is, profitable, (2 Timothy 3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness, (Hebrews 7:18)

65. What was the exact wording on the cross?
This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)

66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)

67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)

68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)

69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
No. (John 12:27)

71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)

72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)

73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)

74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi , (Matthew 27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi , (Mark 15:34)

75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
"It is finished" (John 19:30)

76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this? Yes (Matthew 8:5)
No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.

Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.

God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)

79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
No (John 3:13)
Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)

80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)

81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

82. When did the women buy the spices?
After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?
Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men , in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)

87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me, (John 20:11 to 17)

88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?
Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)

89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?
Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise , (Acts 1:4)

90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)

91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)

92. Does God change his mind?
Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King, (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)

I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)

ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).

93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.

94. Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

95. Who killed Saul?
Saul took his own sword and fell upon it, Thus Saul died, (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

96. Does every man sin?
Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:

97. Who will bear whose burden?
Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)

98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days , (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)

kikanuka,

u suprised me a lot. you said jesus will appear to me soon? is jesus of the catholic, protestant, jehovah witness etc. or the one having beards or the one not having. or the one tied to a stake or the one on a cross?. i already have jesus but not the jesus in the bible, and not only jesus i have, i have all the prophets too.

one funny thing about u christians, u have your bible with you and u saw all these things yourselves. what do all these stand to teach the younger generations.

the christians mind have been programmed in such a way that no matter the truth you show them, they will never believe though its only God that directs and show man the way.

please go through your bible again, and tell me the lesson to derive for all those chapters above

Many Times Christians post passages from the Quran on war and say that Islam is not valid because of them because of the violence. Christians say Muhammad cannot be a prophet because he fought in wars and killed people, they say Jesus never ordered killing anyone nor harming any one, and that their God (or Jesus being God to some Christians) is loving and not a killer. Are these comments true? The simple answer is no, in this article I will quote several verses from the Bible showing the brutal terror found in it, I will be quoting from the OT (Old Testament). Christians should have no problem with it, since it’s the same God. So Christians have no way out of this mess. also Jesus said that he didnt come to annul the old testament but follow it

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Let us begin:

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

32-37
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see, when its in war it okay? Yet when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in war its different, Christians say nooooo. Either way, The Quran does not say kill women and children, I CHALLENGE ANY CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your Bible, one of your greatest prophets killing women and children by God's permission, meaning God allowed it! So hence God of the Bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) was responsible for killing women and children, and so was Moses so according to the Christians own argument, Moses cannot be a prophet since he killed. Note Moses and his army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not one city which was strong enough in the plural sense, hence up to 6 or 7 cities were destroyed with its women and children? What is the Christian response?

[b]Deuteronomy
Chapter 3

1-7
1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves[/b]

Notice the killing spree, scores of cities were raided by Moses and his army by the permission of GOD in the Bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians), and they killed women and children! What does the Christian have to say to this?

[b]Deuteronomy
Chapter 7

1-6
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth[/b]

So note, God in the Bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) allows Moses to completely destroy cities and show NO MERCY, NO MERCY AT ALL meaning you can do whatever you want to them. Not only that, Jesus orders Moses and his army to destroy all their images and their places of worship, so much for religious tolerance among Christians. So once again we see Moses killing with NO MERCY as God in the bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) ordered, we also see no tolerance of other religions, something which Christians rant about Islam! This proves which religion is the in-tolerant one, it is the Christian, their God is in-tolerant to other religions as you see.

[b]Deuteronomy
Chapter 13

6-18
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy [/b] God.

Once again we the tolerance of the Christian God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians). In these passages God says that anyone who worships others Gods wherever they be must be killed. Even if your antartica and you worship some pagan deity you shall be put to death. As the verse says, to the ends of the world, meaning all over the world, so there is no tolerance in the religion. God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) orders his followers to stone the ones who don’t believe in him, and to kill them, and to destroy the city with the sword and burn it and never rebuild it. The ending of the paragraph is very interesting, God tells his followers TO KEEP all his commandments which include this one! To kill others who dont believe in him, so hence no religous tolerance. So this rule STILL APPLIES TODAY, because their God said:

keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Or did God change his mind? The God of the OT (Old Testament) does NOT change his mind:

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19
He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." 1 Samuel 15:29

So hence the Christian God doesn’t change his mind so this rule still applies today, so Christians are still ordered to kill us!

D[b]euteronomy
Chapter 20
Deut 20v10: when u draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And it its answer to you is peace and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, THEN U SHALL BESIEGE IT, U SHALL PUT ALL THE MALES TO THE SWORD, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and everything else in the city all its spoils, u shall TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES AND U SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.[/b]

Kill all their men, leave women and little ones and else and take their property. How could God of the Christians do this?


Deuteronomy
Chapter 21
18-22

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. 22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree

I wonder what Christians have to say about that? So as you can see, a bad kid is stoned, and bad men are hanged on trees for all to see. I would really love to see what Christians have to say to these verses. Remember the God that the Christians believe in is the same God of the OT, so hence this is God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) making these commands. So God commanded people to kill their bad kids, to kill bad people and hang them on a tree.


Deuteronomy
Chapter 22
25-29

25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days

So as you can see, rape is allowed in certain cases. When the victim is a virgin, she must marry the rapist, if the victim is not a virgin then the rapist is put to death. This law is a shame and insult to rape victims, you bring me one single lady who would want to marry her rapist, and if Christians even try to defend this then they are even more sick and their own book which says it is okay. So hence you now see that the Christian God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) allowed rape in certain cases, this is why America separated Church and state, because Christian laws are sick as you can see.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 23
1-4
1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: 4 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee

Now why can’t these people go into the congregation of the lord? What happened to the God who hears all, and accepts all? It seems at one time God did not like bastards, and did not like men without their private parts! I wonder what the Christian has to say to this. Why cannot Ammonites and Moabites go into the congregation of the lord? What again happened to the God who loves all and hears all? It seems that the Christian God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) is not very loving after all and that Christians have been spreading a myth about their God. Anyway, can we really accept such rubbish like this?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 25
1-3

1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. 2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number. 3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee

Now I can understand that punishments like this can be carried on, the reason I post this is because CHRISTIANS do not accept things like this. When they read in the Quran that it says lash the ones who commit illegal sexual intercourse, the Christians start ranting how can you do such a thing! That’s so evil!!!!!! So I am just using their own argument against them, so as we see, the punishment of beating a sinner is in their own book. Hence based on their own arguments and own criteria, their book and God is not peaceful and is evil, and who is this God?

[b]Deuteronomy
Chapter 28
15-68
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in unclothedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.[/b]

Now the reason I post this is because Christians claim Islam is not peaceful because Allah Warns of punishing people who don’t follow him etc. Now since Christians believe that, then using their own criteria and own arguments then the verses I just posted show that it is in fact their God who is violent and non peaceful because as you can see he will punish those who don’t follow them in a very harsh manner. So Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house, and they do live in a glass house. I wonder what Christians will have to see about these verses, I mean he does believe in this God who is warning of these punishments, if Christians have a problem with Allah punishing people then why don’t they have a problem with their own God when he says he will punish people? So hence Christians must now admit their God is violent and not peaceful since they say Allah cant be God because of his wrath and punishments, if Christians do not admit it then they can no longer argue against Islam, if they continue to use this silly argument on Islam then they must leave their own religion. So they are in a bad dilemma now, attack Islam and leave Christianity or don’t attack Islam and therefore have nothing much to attack Islam on.

Now let me make it easier for the reader, I will basically post what the Christian God will do as a punishment to those who wouldn’t follow him:

1- God will cause his people to murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.

2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.

3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.

4- cannibalism, yes cannibalism! 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee

5- God will send diseases to the people

6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

These are some of the punishments that the God of the Bible will do to his people if they dont follow him.

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.

17-18

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

[b]Joshua
Chapter 2
8-21

8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.[/b]

Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts commited by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command.

[b]Joshua
Chapter 6

17-27

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
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So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual except the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?

[b]Joshua
Chapter 8
1-29

1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.[/b]

Another battle, another massacre of women and children.

[b]Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43

28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.[/b]

Same old story, more massacres, leaving NO SOULS ALIVE. I wonder what Christians have to say to this? They cannot say anything, they believe this happened, and they believe in this God who some claim to be Jesus.

[b]Judges 1:21-35
The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.
When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in Mount Heres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves. [/b]

Not much to be said, verses explain themselves.

[b]Zephaniah 2:12-15
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist
Not much to be added, verses explain themselves.

Leviticus 21:9

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. [/b]

hmmmmmmm

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

Wonder what Christians say to this. Isn’t God Jehovah? I thought God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) never killed.

1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What?!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacre.

Jeremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

Another massacre, same old story.

Isaiah 13:15-18
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

It seem it gets from bad to worse!

1 Kings 13:1-2
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."

Very sick indeed.

Leviticus 25:44-46
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

This is how Christians made it okay for slavery, their Bible allows it, so why shouldn’t they do it? They are just doing what their book allows them to do.

Exodus 21:7-11
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

This is a sex slave. If she doesn’t please the master? How is she supposed to please him? Now you know why the sex trade is so popular in Europe and Christian countries, because their book allows it! They are merely doing what their book allows.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat the hell out of your slave as long as the slave does not die, this is straight from the Bible. What is this madness?

Killing women, children, animals.

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

What is their offence towards God?

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

Another killing, too much.

SWORD AND FIRE

Amos 9v1: I will SLAY that left of them unto the SWORD, not one of them shall flee away. I will command the SWORD, and it shall SLAY THEM.

Jeremiah 49v37: I will send the SWORD after them until I have CONSUMED them.
HOSEA
Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."

Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Another massacre!!!

SWORD AND FIRE IN NEW TESTAMENT (ALL THESE WERE SAID BY JESUS)

Luke
Luke 12v49: I came to cast fire upon the earth and would that it were already kindled. Do not think I came to make peace but rather DIVISION for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, two against three. They will be divided, father against son, son against father, mother against daughter, daughter against mother.

Mathew
Mathew 10v34: do not think I have come to make peace on earth. I have not come to make peace but a SWORD. For I have come to set man against his father and a daughter against her mother.

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

OH NO!. ALL THESE SAID BY JESUS ALONE.

I think these should do, this without a doubt proves that the Bible that the Christians hold is nothing but a terror book without a doubt. I challenge any Christian to come and tell me those verses, which I posted are not evil and not terrorism, I CHALLENGE YOU TO SAY IT! This is a filth book, which must be banned!