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tayod,

i know u wont be able to answer even a single out of those posted to you cos u lack proof to back ur saying.

u accused me of picking every verse and not rading through everything. IS THAT YOUR ANSWER TO MY POST? i asked for the explanation and u r telling me anther thing.

u r comfusing yourself. from the onstart, u said jesus is God but read your post below
Are you under an influence that is unable to make you assimilate the things you read? Of course I applied the same principle between Christ and the Father. I said Christ has submitted His will to the Father's just as every wife is meant to submit her will to her husband, not because the husband is better or greater than her, but just so as to fulfil a divine requirement.

u said christ submitted his will to the father just as every wife is meant to submit to her will to her husband in order to fulfill divine law.

DOES THE YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT MADE JESUS TO BE GOD LIKEWISE MAN TO BE WOMAN?
from your statement above, it showed that man cannot be woman and vice versa, so also is God to jesus. dont have this thing up?

U said he submitted his will to the father, are u saying God submitted his will to God?.

wake up man and stop muddling and caging yourself.

U ALSO QUOTED THIS
[b]John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

if cos of this saying of jesus made him and God to be one, why dont u consider the below verse too
[/b]john 17v21: that they (disciples) all may be one, as thou, father art in me and i in thee, that they may also be one in us.

if jesus could be God as a result of that verse, he could also be disciples as a result of the above verse too.

THINK MAN AND READ OVER AGAIN.

havila,

i have been reading your posts since the site has been created.

u sounded uncultured and always raving at anybody. i am highly disappointed in you and also a disgrace to yoruba race.

wunmi was telling you to be cautious of your utterances and apply respect to the issue. let me ask you, is it western civilization that blinded you so much as not to accord respect to whom it deserves.

from your post, it showed that u can even use vulgar and other sort of languages to address your father or those older than you in your family.

lf you are really from a good home, brought up and well nurtured and even received training, u should know that no matter the discord, elder will always be elder. if you dont have elders at home, u should have picture of elders and if you dont, go to and buy one and also learn how to be addressing people. u only know urself, u dont who anything about others, we only meet online and that shouldnt make you to go hayfire and opening your mouth, talking to people as if they r your 2 year old kid.

furthermore, i have been following all your posts, rather than address the issue at hand, u systematicallty divert topic and raining insult on people. let me ask you, is that how to learn. u believe you are the most perfect. u always feel as if you are on top of the world.

we are all here to impact knowledge on the ignorant and some are here reading each and every one's thread, if u dont have anything positive to contribute to the topic, it will be better to leave and open another thread yourself where you will be opening your mouth and addressing people as you feel.

CALL PEOPLE TO THE WAY OF THE LORD WITH WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND BEAUTIFUL PREACHING.

i thought jesus in the bible told you to be cool as dove and also if you ar being slaped on the right cheek, u should turn the left. are u justifying his saying? and jesus said until u follow himin his saying, thats when u r really his follower.

U DONT NEED TO TURN THE THREAD INTO PERSONAL ISSUE cos of ur personal hatred for a religion having failed in understanding the religion. feel free to contribute your quota and ask questions. AND LET ME REMIND YOU, I WAS LIKE YOU B4 BUT I HAVE RECEIVED THE LIGHT, SO I WILL CONTINUE PRAYING FOR YOU TO AT LEAST HAVE A MANNER OF APPROACH (TO START WITH) AND TO ALSO RECEIVE SALVATION.

ope emi

[quote author=ope_emi link=topic=32562.msg771611#msg771611 date=1166702262]Sorry to say, it is.

Sincerely, can you tell me you know everything in your Quran? I only memorize the most relevant things in the Bible.

CONGRATS

I see that you rather spend your time in searching for every statemants that marks death in the Bible, its a shame you don't have the time to read and assimilate what the verses are trying to pass accross, but rather you go ahead to make gory statement on them.

GO TO THE BEGINNING AND READ WHAT CAUSED MY INCLUDING DEATH FROM YOUR BIBLE

If more are still comming, make sure you know how it begins and how it ends, not just pointing out were kill is. Read to understand.
I don't blame you for this statement, merely because of your religion.
SURE I DO AND NO NEED TO TELL ME THAT COS I WAS ONCE LIKE YOU

Diverting the topic? Point out where I have, so that I will give you my reason for it.[/quote]I ASKED U TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF THE VERSE ME

ope emi, well i thought u have been following this thread from the begining but alas i found out that u have not been. if you have been reading, you wouldnt have challenged me to bringing out issue of death from your bible, you would have known what brought my inputting the very issue.

NOW u sad i should read to understand, having gone through it, i want you to explain the verses to me.

tayod,

elementary reasoning?

TayoD:
babs787,

Since you are unable to understand my simple explanations, can you just go through the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians and tell us what you understand by it. That way, I can begin to understand your elemenatry reasoning and accord you such consideration in my future replies.

And by the way, the Bible can only be understood in line with other scriptures. So telling me to explain a passage to you without referncing relevant scriptures is a mere waste of time. If you choose not to read the bible in the way it admonishes you to, then you are just wasting your time opening those sacred pages.

my honourable professor,
u cant even a simple organisational chart or should i say organogram put up by your brother. though i may have elementary reasoning but my elememtary reasoning surpasses yours.

if i had asked you to explain only the one on the head of christ is God, u would have give me one excuse or the other but i asked you to explain from the woman in which u failed woeefully.

from the explanation u gave to the issue of woman to man, why dont u apply same to issue of christ and God since it refers t the same statement.

u claimed that HE IS GOD BUT U FAILED TO DEFEND U CLAIM

having failed in defending your claim that God is also Jesus from the earlier verse, maybe u can explain the below verse too
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

also i need ur answer to the below (take time to answer them one after the other)

1. Did Jesus Christ have two fathers? The Father is the Father of the Son (I John 1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived by the Holy Ghost (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Which one is the true father? Some trinitarians say that the Holy Ghost was merely the Father's agent in conception - a process they compare to artificial insemination!

2. If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?

3. Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32).

4. Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38).

6. Did "God the Son" die? The Bible says the Son died (Romans 5:10). If so, can God die? Can part of God die?

7. Did "God the Son" surrender His omnipresence while on earth? If so, how could he still be God?

8. Can there be more than three persons in the Godhead? Certainly the Old Testament does not teach three but emphasizes oneness. If the New Testament adds to the Old Testament message and teaches three persons, then what is to prevent subsequent revelations of additional persons? If we apply trinitarian logic to interpret some verses of Scripture, we could teach a fourth person (Isaiah 48:16; Colossians 1:3; 2:2; I Thessalonians 3:11; James 1:27). Likewise, we could interpret some verses of Scripture to mean six more persons (Revelation 3:1; 5:6).

9. There is only one throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2). Who sits upon it? We know Jesus does (Revelation 1:8,18, 4:. Where do the Father and the Holy Spirit sit?

10. If Jesus is on the throne, how can He sit on the right hand of God? (Mark 16:19). Does He sit or stand on the right hand of God? (Acts 7:55). Or is He in the Father's bosom? (John 1:18).

11. Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus? Colossians 2:9 says the latter.

12. Who raised Jesus from the dead? Did the Father (Ephesians 1:20), or Jesus (John 2:19-21), or the Spirit? (Romans 8:11).

13. If Son and Holy Ghost are co-equal persons in the Godhead, why is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost unforgivable but blasphemy of the Son is not? (Luke 12:10).

14. If the Holy Ghost is a co-equal member of the trinity, why does the Bible always speak of Him being sent from the Father, or from Jesus? (John 14:26; 15:26).

15. Does the Father know something that the Holy Spirit does not know? If so, how can they be co-equal? Only the Father knows the day and hour of the Second Coming of Christ (Mark 13:32).

16. If the Spirit proceeds from the Father, is the Spirit also a son of the Father? If not, why not?

17. If the Spirit proceeds from the Son, is the Spirit the grandson of the Father? If not, why not?

REMEMBER, AN ANSWER FOR EACH QUESTION.

will be back soon

tayode d,

u r the most dillusioned person i have ever come across

babs747,

I have said before that you cannot receive the things of the Spirit because they are spirituallt discerned, and you have proved me right in your following post. In any case, I stand by what I said that the passage talks about authority as a consequence of marriage. Man is head over a woman (only as in marriage). You are not head over every woman you come across, rather you are head over your wife. If you can't understand that, then you will never understand anything else.

WHERE DID I MENTION IT THAT AM THE HEAD OF EVERY WOMAN?
IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN POST, GO OEVER IT AGAIN AND MY EXPLANATON AND STOP EVADING AND BEATING AROUND THE BUSH.

ALSO .

I QUOTED A VERSE THJERE AND DEMANDED FOR THE EXPLANATION BUT U DEVISED ANOTHER STRATEGY THROWING ANOTHER VERSE AT ME. BEFORE U DIVERT, RESPOND TO MY VERSE AS REGARDS THE EXPLANATION

I NEED EXCPLANATIONM NON THE BELOW TOO

if you are able to answer the above, please add this to it too
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

also maybe you have forgotten that when jesus faced trial, he went to pray to God to remove the cup (death) from him, ,. he did this thrice and also from your bible when he was crucified (in your bible) and about to give up the ghost, he shouted saying God, why has thou forsakken me.

let me ask, who did he prayed to and who was he refering to as WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME.

gbade.x,

can you re-post the answers to me or give me answers.

u claimed to have supplied answers. where are the answers?

MRpataki,

in addition to your response below
Seeking for a religion that will only tell you do this and that without you ever questioning as to why it is so which you most preferred showed how indolent in nature you are!

ISLAM IS NEVER A RELIGION IN WHICH AN ALFA, IMAM, SHEIK DICTATE TO YOU. U HAVE THE QURAN AND HADITH AS A GUIDE, UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY IN WHICH U CANT QUESTION ANY ELDERS IN THE CHURCH WHY IT IS LIKE THAT.

EVEN IF YOU DONT KNOW, ISLAM IS NOT LIKE CHRISTIAN IN TERMS OF PRACTICE. U HAVE TO WAKE UP VERY EARLY, OBSERVE THE MORNING PRAYER, AND THE REMAINING TOO EACH DAY WITHOUT MISSING ONE AND EVEN IF U DO MISS ONE, U HAVE TO REPAY BACK,BUT IN CHRISTIANITY DOES THAT HAPPEN? HOPE U UNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEANT. IF I WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, I WOULDNT HAVE CHOSEN ISLAM, ITS NOT EASY TO PRACTICE EXCEPT THOSE THAT ALLAH MAKE IT EASIER FOR.
IN CHRISTIANDOM, IF U MISS ANY CLAPPING AND SINGING, DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT?

I COULD REMEMBER WHILE I WAS STILL A CHRISTIAN AND I CAME ACROSS ALL THOSE CONTRADICTIONS, CONFUSIONS ETC, I WENT TO MANY KNOWLEDGEABLE CHRISTIANS, ALL COULD NT PROVIDE ANSWERS.
FUNNY ENOUGH A PASTOR TOLD ME "LOOK NO NEED TO QUESTION ME, DO IT AS U MEET IT, DO IT AS YOU MEET THEM DOING?

WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE THE ANSWER FOR A CONFUSED SOUL?

ENOUGH OF THAT MAN, I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT AND ADVISE YOUTO FOLLOW SUIT. ALL THESE BLING ARGUMENT WILL LEAD U NOWHERE.

I HAVE NOTICE THAT ALL OF YOU SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ON THIS SITE (MRPATAKI, HAVILA, M4MALIK, DAVIDYLAN,BABYOSIS ETC) FAILED IN ANSWERING ALL QUESTIONS POSED AT YOU, RATHER U DIVERT QUESTIONS.

AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR WHICH ONE TO TAKE IN MY EARLIER POST ON THE DISCREPANCIES.

MAA SALAM

MRpataki,

thanks for your advise. the earlier you know, the better for you that jesus will deny u that day.

he was never sent to you.
he was never a saviour.
he was never crucified.
he was never a christian.

DO YOU NEED MORE?

HOPE UVE NOT DEVIATED FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND, AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE ON THAT.

IN ADDTION, U BEING A CHRISTIAN, A CONVERT WALK UP TO YOU CONFUSED AND THROW THESE QUESTIONS AT YOU. HOW WILL YOU DEFEND YOUR BIBLE AND YOUR RELIGION

Jesus' last words
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

WHICH WILL YOU TELL THE CONVERT TO ACCEPT COS HE/SHE WONT BE ABLE TO CHOOSE ALL BUT JUST ONE AND WHAT WILL BE YOUR PROOF THAT THE ONE YOU ARE CHOOSING IS THE CORRECT?

SECONDLY,
Judas died how?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18)

HOW DO U EXPLAIN JUDAS' DEATH TO HIM/HER AND WHY WILL U CHOOSE ONE OUT OF THE ONE COS U CANT TELL HIM/HER THAT HE DIED IN BOTH WAYS?

tayod,

funny how you interprete the bible. u read the verse and see the response u gave.

[b]If you were someone gifted with insight, I would go further to explain these verses to you in line with the revelation in Genesis, but of course it will only be unprofitable to you. However, for those who have received the mysteries of God, I will explain further that which has thoroughly confused you as well as your prophet.

To begin with, the passage in 1 corinthians refers to a husband and wife situation and not a male to female issue. Being a man, I am not the head of any woman but my wife. Infact, a technical look at the Bible reveals that only a maried male can be refered to as a Man, and only a married female can be refered to as a woman. If we keep this perspective, then we will begin to understand the mind of God when the issue of Christ is mentioned.[/b]

FUNNY YOU. OF WHAT RELEVANCE IS THE ABOVE?

ALSo u said this

[b]In other words, marriage was established by God to point to His Christ! Anyone with biblical understanding will know that the Bible refers to a husband and his wife as ONE. To those who are doing mathmatics, they will say that is not possible since 1+1=2 which is true. But we understand that the Bible is not talking about one plus one, but rather ONE IN ONE which is ONE. [/b]

u claimed to have understanding of the bible, go to the verse and re-read, the verse talked about authority and not man and woman as one in terms of marriage. the verse meant woman is subjected to man likewise man is under the control of christ and finally christ is under God.

u also said that the verse referred to marriage, where did u see that man?

now for ur understanding, man and woman being one means that are no more with their parent and agreed to be together and be leaving together, sharing things and doings together. the meaning of the one means that they will be doing things together BUT THAT DOESN NOT QUALIFY THEM TO BE SAME OR ONE TAKING THE ROLE OF ANOTHER.

if you agree to the above, so also is jesus with God. jesus is a separate being from God. he takes authority from God.

u also posted the below as saying of jesus
[b]Hear directly from Jesus in John 14:11 Believe me that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [/b]

if as a result of what jesus said made him to be God, then go through the verse below too.
john 17v21: that they (disciples) all may be be one, as thou, father art in me and i in thee, that they may also be one in us.

DOES THE ABOVE MEANT THAT JESUS IS ALSO DISCIPLES AND DISCIPLES ARE ALSO JESUS?


if you are able to answer the above, pls add this to it too
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

also maybe you have forgotten that when jesus faced trial, he went to pray to God to remove the cup (death) from him, ,. he did this thrice and also from your bible when he was crucified (in your bible) and about to give up the ghost, he shouted saying God, why has thou forsakken me.

let me ask, who did he prayed to and who was he refering to as WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME.
COMING SOON, "TRINITY"

waiting for your response. so your 1+1+1=3. good professor.

hold it till i come with everything u need to know about christmas

Backslider,


babs787,

Who art thou? that you should Question God himself he had every right to kill anyone if he wanted but he did not he is God in human form he Open the vials of the angers of God.

The Bible say he is the MIGHTY TERRIBLE ONE YOU DONT KNOW THE BIBLE. JESUS IS GOD and I will never compare My GOD to a mere man that will Answer to Jesus.

IS THE ABOVE YOUR RESPONSE. I DIDN’T SAY HE IS NOT HAVING ANY RIGHT BUT I ASKED FOR THE MEANING OF THE VERSE(S)

You Just prepare to meet Jesus at the Judgement seat and I know you will either insult him now . You Claim that Jesus could not be God.

LET ME ASK U , IS IT JESUS THAT IS GOING TO JUDGE THE WORLD? BACK IT UP WITH VERSE FROM YOUR BIBLE.

U said I insulted him, can you please tell me how I insulted him? I can never insult him cos we the entire muslim world believe him, we love him, he was a prophet sent to the Israelite with Gospel .

Ur story.
Let me give you this analogy.

A carpenter makes table where you write on and he supplies a great king and when the carpenter puts the table to test infront of the King but the tables breaks and the king is angry the carpenter says he will replace it but the says he wants to sign the release of souls and the capenter says he will form the position of a table so that the king can sign this release order.

This is the reality when the creator can come in form of men to lead and redeem the world from sin. SELAH

BASED ON YOUR STORY UP, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. FOR THE FACT THAT THE MAN CAN PERFORM THE FUNCTION OF THE TABLE AT THAT MATERIAL TIME (MAYBE BENDING OVER AND THE KING USES HIS BACK TO SIGN):
1. CAN HE MAINTAIN THAT POSTION FOR LONG LEAVING HIS OWN PRIMARY DUTY AND REMAINING A TABLE FOR LIFE?
2. SECONDLY IF THE MAN CAN PERFORM THE JOB OF A TABLE, CAN THE TABLE PERFORM THE JOB OF THE MAN? (MAKING TABLES AND SUPPLYING THE KING)

mrpataki,

from your organogram, man is the head of woman, jesus is the head of man and God is the head of christ. if u want to say christ is the same as God.man is the same as woman and then the four parties involved are gods(same).

as priority is given to man over woman so also to God over christ, they r separate being.

am waiting for your response to other verse too.

take care

Mrpataki,

is that ur response? u r still contradicting urself. cant u read over what u posted below

[b]@ babs787,
You know where some of various confusions lies,
the ability to comprehend that God could manifest himself in various ways to man.

God has made himself manifest in three ways, which i will try to explain here and several others too will explain further to you.

A. As our Father, God Almighty, the ruler of heaven and earth, creator of the universe, the Omnipresent, Omniscient God, the Alfa and Omega, the Ubiquitous one!

B. As Jesus Christ, reconciler of the heart of man back to his Maker God Almighty,the Prince of peace, our Saviour and redeemer, a true friend in times of need and quite a whole lot more he represents to us as christians.

C. As the Holy Sprit, our comforter and friend, who will guide us into all truth, he guides us from the evil one, our inspiration and source of strength, an encourager to those who are in despair!

Now when i met the organogram of Authority, it is the way God had appointed it before time, which i will try to demonstrate here
GOD
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CHRIST JESUS
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MAN
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WIFE
God before time appointed the man to be the head of the woman, and a woman is subject to obeying her man, as we are subject to obeying Christ who is our head, as Christ is subject to God who is our Father.[/b]

U PUT GOD UP, WHY DIDNT U PUT JESUS IN GOD'S POSITION. ur organoram is quite different from what u r saying. it will better for you to close the chapter rather than contradicting yourself more.

u saw your drawing up

u said God could manifest himself in varius ways meaning that so far he is jesus, he can also be man or woman. didnt you read the verse. the same phrase applied to man being the head of woman and also God being the head of christ.

then God must be four then and not three or even five.god is father, son, holy spirit, man and woman. 1+1+1+1+1 = 5. five gods

i will have to open another thread for 'TRINITY' there you will learn the origin of trinity and also the trinity of pagans in resemblamce to that of christianity.

go through your response again below

God before time appointed the man to be the head of the woman, and a woman is subject to obeying her man, as we are subject to obeying Christ who is our head, as Christ is subject to God who is our Father.[/b]

i told you to use the same criteria to judge the two but u r laying emphasis on christ. the phrase is the same. so if man could be the head of woman and woman is subjected to be obeying her, then christ is subjected to God and and God is his head.
so if u still dont understand, if God is Jesus or jesus is God, then man must be woman or woman man.

u also said christ is subjected to the father. are u saying christ is subjected to himself(God) cos u claimed he is still the same?

i hope uve understood now. if you havent, read and re-read then after you are through. provide me explanation on the below too.

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

MAYBE U WILL STILL TELL ME THAT GOD AND JESUS ARE SAME COS THE VERSE IS VERY GLARING. JESUS REFERRED TO GOD AS GREATER THAN HIM. WHAT BETTER CLARIFICATION DO U NEED MORE THAN THESE?

MORE STILL COMING, BUT WAITING FOR UR RESPONSE

ope emi,

dont even try referring to the bible as the truth.

u asked for where i quoted the verse. it has shown that u r not conversant with your bible. now this is the full verse

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattles and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

MORE STILL COMING

MAYBE U CAN EXPLAIN TO ME TOO HAVING FAILED IN PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL EXPLANATION.

ALSO TO YOUR ISSUE OF JESUS BEING GOD OR NOT, THERE IS A THREAD FOR THAT, GO THERE AND CONTRIBUTE YOUR QUOTA RATHER THAN DIVERTING THE TOPIC.

mrpataki,

hope u r not trying to divert the topic.

well as for the reason for my leaving christianity, the reasons are glaring.

1. a sect believe that jesus is God while others are saying he is not.
2. having gone through the bible, i detected some verses in some bible were expunged in some others.
3. also there is no unity, each sect comdeming each other. have u ever witnessed a christian preaching to you. at the tail end, he will end up by telling you to come to his church that its only his chruch that preaches faith and salvation.
4. a catholic condemning protestant while protestant condemns jehovah witness and they are christians,

( i have proof to back it up if u need)

ETC.

also i got to know that all biblical quotes on sonship, saviour, being crucified etc are all ruse.

mrpataki, gone are the days in which an individual will want to die over what is not provable, that is claiming that cos u met some people doing it, it must be right and u must do it too no matter what they tell you without going having enough prove to back it up.

also am very conversant with most doctrines of each sect, ranging from CAC, Jehovah witness, catholic, deeper life, Chris Oyakhilome, Synagogue, seven day adventist etc.

LET ME STOP THERE

HAVILA,

is your response up the answer to the thread and the question at hand?

huuuuuuuuh

davidylan,

sorry, it wasnt meant for you. it was for your brothers.
they have changed the tune. it seems they r not with you again. i raised the thread for mrpataki. he was saying jesus is God, but when i threw the verse to him and his counterpart havila, they both nailed themselves with regards to their explanations.

learned professor davidylan, maybe u can bail them out based on the verse above. their explanations was off the track.

once again, if you are still saying JESUS IS GOD, let me add this to the already unaswered verse and you do justice to the two.

1.
1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

2.
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

WHO WAS HE REFERRING TO AS HIS FATHER IF HE IS ALSO GOD? HE EVEN SAID GOD IS GREATER THAN HIM. SO HOW DO WE EQUATE JESUS TO GOD?

MORE STILL COMING

Enitan,

U failed to reason. Didn’t you read your post. The below is from your earlier write up. I never said he would appear from the sky. Read my write up. Read what u wrote below. ur post darkened.

So to his second coming,the law also play its role, its definitely not possible for someone to just appear from the sky.
And to those so-called christian looking up to the sky for him to come YOU WILL WAIT TILL THINE KNIGDOM COME.

U wrote the above and even NDIPE challenged you. If you are saying jesus wont appear from the sky, then kindly explain the below verse to NDIPE

1 Thessalonians 4:16: "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first"

If you think the almighthy is wonderful, baby jesus should have been born through a man not a woman, maybe its then you will believe in the supernatural abilities of the Father.

Mind you Nobody is doubting God’s work. Jesus’ birth has no specialty attached to it.

And secondly,i never said Jesus is also GOD.
Well, but your fellows in the like of mrpataki, havila, davidylan said so and they are Christians like you, maybe catholics and you Jehovah witness or protestants(na wa o)

Let me explain the concept of the trinity to you.Before creation there is just one God, and during creation he severe a part of himself known as the Holy spirit.It was through him that creation came into existence.Read your book of genesis. And the spirit of the lord move upon the surface of the earth and sees that it was void and without form, and said "let there be light"[b][/b]

We will probably open another thread for “TRINITY”.
Also to your above ‘let there be light”. That is what they call “KUN FAYAKUN” “ BE AND IT WILL BE” that is the power of God. If he needs and want to do something, he doesn’t need to go there, he will just say be and it will be. That’s the same word HE used in the creation of Adam, jesus and even you. It’s this word “BE” that you misconstrued to be another thing (but God willing, I will shed light on that probably on another thread in order not to deviate from this particular topic)

It was just a part not the whole itself.So when it bacame necessary for a strong helper to bring the word of salvation to erring human beings,due to his love he severed a part himself which was incarnated in flesh and blood just as the human beings,but the difference is the inner core.The inner core of the humans is spirit while that of Jesus is divine.So never say The lord is spirit, divinity is far different from spirituality.The Lord is divine and we humans are spiritual.

He severed a part of him, with cutlass or what? My brother, the birth of jesus has no difference from that of Adam. Even Adam’s birth was superior to jesus. What made him his birth special? Maybe u tell me and I will tell you other prophets that exhibit the same characteristics. He was carried for nine months like you, he ate, drink like you, he seek God’s assistance for everything, he was prosecuted like you, He receives his power from God being a prophet. So maybe u enlighten me what made him special

Paul said in 1st cor. that we know in part and prophesy in part but when he that is perfect is come, all that is in part will be done away.Remember when he said this they already recieved the Holy Spirit, so don't confuse whinsutide with this.

Are you saying the verse is referring to your bible or that the bible is perfect with all these authors in which a bible may contain a verse and not in another (if u need proof, request for it), or do u call the bible complete when your bible accept trinity and Jehovah witness doesn’t or u call it complete when your bible is not having MACABEES, JUDITH, ESTHERand other bible is having it. etc. think man. Which other incomplete have u done away with? And what is the incomplete part?

They(Disciples) were still expecting the so-called comforter then.And Jesus gave them some signs for them to recognize when he's come.
He said "He will remind you of all i have taught you, and will bring judgement". That means Jesus is not talking about himself here.He is no longer coming back and he also said if he don't go back to the father then the coming of the comforter wont be possible.

ARE U SAYING JESUS’ SECOND COMING WON’T MATERIALISE? What of His coming like a thief in the night and that all eyes will see him in which there will be two people and he will take one

I shall write more about on this comforter.
These are only meant for the genuine truth seekers not those who assumed they've known already.
And that task has been designated to the Son of Man.
Read Rev 1:4 Greetings from the Father, and he that was and is and which is to come, and also from Jesus Christ.You can see these are three personalities.
Reflect Deeply, remember the Bible is a spiritual book, and got to be understand spirtual or else it will remain like the book with seven seals.

My brother, are u saying holy spirit is the comforter? Think man. Have u forgotten that the holy spirit has been in existence even before the birth of jesus. You will even recollect that its this holy spirit that gave mary the good news. SO WHY TELLING ME IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT.
Jesus said that it is necessary for him to go that if he didn’t go, the comforter wont come, meaning that the comforter hasn’t been in existence then and planning to come. SO THINK MAN, THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE OF HOLY SPIRIT THAT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE AND OPERATING ALREADY RIGHT FROM CREATION.

HAVE I EXPLAINED TO YOU MY HONOURABLE BROTHER ENITAN.

Expecting to hear from you.



gbade.x,

well quite unfortunate for you and fortunate for me. Unfortunate for you in the sense that u r still wallowing in ignorance. I was born as a Christian and into a Christian family like you. I was a Christian for more than 20 years so there is nothing u can quote for me in the bible that am not aware of and even tell you where you have not even seen since your birth.

I was in the dark like you but received LIGHT and through that reverted my people back to ISLAM based on evidence, proof from the bible. So no need lecturing me on bible unless I want to do that for you. I don’t need to learn about Christianity, I was involved in it for years.

Tayod,

1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

I quite agree that I have elementary reasoning. U can see that u have indeed nailed and caged yourself. U both agreed to mrpataki’s that jesus is God. I may be an illiterate and you very knowledgeable. Go through your response below and see how you contradicted yourself.

I have said in my earlier response that you will not understand the scriptures even after explaining it. The scripture there is talking solely about authority. It is plain and simple. If you care to read the entire chapter, it goes on to explain the fact that a wife should be subject to her husband though the man is not better than the woman, neither is the woman better than the man. Even the verse you quoted summarises this by including the relationship between the husband and the wife in expressing the relationship between Christ and the Father. U said the scripture talked about authority. And u said it explained that a wife should be subjected to her husband though the man is no better than woman, neither is the woman better than man.

Funny you, u nailed yourself. From your explanation above, you are trying to refer to the relationship between man and woman. Now based on your explanation, why don’t you apply the same theory to the other phrase that “the head of Christ is God”. If you apply it to it, it will means that Christ should be subjected to God (on authority too), meaning that as man is different from woman, so also is the difference between Christ and God.

Also if you still want to say that Christ is also God, then man must also be woman or woman is also man.

HAVE U SEEN YOURSELF (NO WAY OUT). JESUS IS GOD INDEED. U claimed that jesus is God but failed to answer simple verse thrown at you from the bible. This is just one of the reasons why jesus is not God. Professor tayod failed woefully in explaining a simple verse to an illiterate student (as put by you). NA WA O.

Mrpataki,

Now, mr important. U posted the below

Now to your question, the verse you have asked is a verse that indicates an organogram of Authority as God have laid it down. The wife is subject to obeying her husband as Even Christ is subject to obeyiing the Father (GOD), and as well the Man is subject to Christ as his head. Even the Bible makes us to know that no man can come to the Father except through Christ whom we are subject to obey.

you indeed caged and contradicted yourself too. You claimed that jesus is also God but contradicted that in your reasoning and explanation. Let me explain to you as an illiterate (waoh). U said the wife is subject to obeying her husband and that Christ is subject to obeying father. Let me ask you here. Who is Christ (God) obeying father (jesus). Or did you meant that God (jesus) on earth is obeying jesus (God) in heaven.

You are now turning the table. I could remember that you and I started this thread and u claimed that jesus is God. But from your explanation, you are changing your words. From your statement, it showed that Christ (jesus) is different from God. OR U WANT TO CHANGE IT AGAIN THAT HE IS GOD.

Also based on organogram of authority, it means that one person must report to another person (that is issue of delegation of authority between junior and senior). Meaning that Christ (jesus) receives order from God. So they cant be the same.

SO IN A NUTSHELL, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING YOU ALL OUT (HAVILA, DAVIDYLAN, MRIMPORTANT) FROM YOUR IGNORANT STATE THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD


Davidylan,

You called the above explanation. I thought u all claimed that jesus is God, but when u saw a verse that nullified your claim in which you failed to explain, you decided to turn the table and accept that jesus is not God (based on your explanation)

U ALL AGREE THAT JESUS IS A SEPARATE BEING FROM GOD ACCORDING TO THE ORGANOGRAM OF PROFESSOR MRPATAKI ON DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY COS JESUS RECEIVES ORDER FROM FATHER. CASE CLOSED OR U STILL WANT TO APPEAL THAT JESUS IS GOD.

Please always read your bible very well and stop relying on hearsay. Jesus is by far different from God.

SEEK FOR KNOWLEDGE BE IT CHINA AND STOP WALLOWING IN YOUR IGNORANCE.
TAKE CARE SEE U LATER

ope emi,

u said it was all parable.did u noticed the apostrophy meaning that it was said by someone and not part of the supposed story, what made you concluded that it was the continuation of the parable. why didnt you say the last verse on jesus leaving for jerusalwem is also a parable said by the king.

u can see your level of ignorance.

what made u concluded that it was the same parable and why didnt u say it was the same parable at the tail end too.

let me add this to it too.

and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the  Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses  and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

WAS GOD JESUS ALSO SPEAKING IN PARABLE?

FUNNY SET OF PEOPLE, ALWAYS EVADING THE TRUTH.

U WILL WANT TO SAY THAT IS IN THE OT, FORGETTING THAT HE SAID HE DIDNT COME TO ANNUL ANY LAW. SO MAYBE THE GOD OF OT (JESUS) IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF NEW TESTAMENT (JESUS).

enitan,

Enitan,

I need explanation on this

First, ask yourself Is it possible for someone to just appear from the sky

Now to the issue of God (jesus), I wont answer you here in order not to deviate from the topic but I will advise to go to IS JESUS GOD and contribute your ignorance to the already delusional companion of yours. If you are hiding under the banner of what jesus said that he and God are one or that he’s in father and father is in him, you are making a grievous mistake and blasphemous write up cos u are never correct. Jesus made the same statement to his disciples too. So if for the fact that he spoke to you in parable and u failed to understand, made u concluded that for saying he is in the father, he must be God. Am refreshing ur memory that he said so to his disciples too. Does that qualifies his disciples to be GOD OR GODS?.

Also u said this
GUYS think for a moment,the law also said for a man to continue his journey to the spiritual realm he's got to leave this earthly cloak(physical death).For Jesus to have passed through all this don't degrade the mightiness of the Almighty but Only veneration and adoration that He is a perfect one.

So God jesus took human form and came down cos of you. Let me ask you, didn’t your bible tells you that God is a spirit and those worshipping him must worship him in spirit.(john 4v24). Also 1st timothy 6v16: whom no man hath seen, nor can see. So you can see that God can never be jesus

So to his second coming,the law also play its role, its definitely not possible for someone to just appear from the sky.

I will also quote you some unfulfilled prophesies/predictions and also on his second coming as put by jesus himself (request for it pls and I will give to you)

To this ur statement, I don’t need to answer, someone has done that

And to those so-called christian looking up to the sky for him to come YOU WILL WAIT TILL THINE KNIGDOM COME.

This is his response
1 Thessalonians 4:16: "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first"

HOW WILL GOD JESUS COME?

now to your last statement
"when the spirit of truth is come, he will lead you unto righteousness and reprove the world of sin and he will bring judgement,I come forth from the father and come unto the world and also am going back to the father, and you will henceforth see me no more"

are u saying God jesus is also the spirit of truth prophesised by himself? (the paraclete, comforter). If you are saying that, we open another thread and give it a befitting topic.

funny mrpataki,

rather than answer my question he started pumping other blasphemous statements.

i will come to those you posted here, but in order not to muddle up things, i will refer you to my last questions. so when you are able to answer those, i will give you other verses too that disagree with jesus as being God. also i will still come to your verses quoted above but lets finish the one at hand. here is the question again.

1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

i need expalantrion on it, starting from the head of every man is christ and dont giv me only the head of christ is God.etc

am waiting pope mrpataki

tayod, havila etc,

u claimed your brother havila has supplied the answer and there's nothing like pauline chrsitianity.i dont blame you cos u only stay gued to whatever your pope tell you.

to buttress my point (coming soon on who is paul), the is a little evidence from your bible that there is difference between pauline and judeo.

u would have read about the fight that ensueed between paul and barnabas.

alsl i told you your paul lied seeing jesus (i have proof from your bible) which he never did. he said that in order for you to believe.

he knew that the isralites wont accept his religion so he took it to gentiles and when he got there, in order for them to accept his religion, he decided to abolish most of jesus' sayings

this are little examples

hebrew 6v1: therefore leaving the principles of the doctrines of christ, let us go unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith towards God.

Having forgotten that jesus told his disciples in
john 8v31;then said jesus to jews that believed in him, if ye continue in my wrds, then ye are my disciples indeed.
ARE U SATISFIED OR NEED MORE?

also God commanded isralites to be circumcising their new born baby when it gets to 8 days as in

genesis 17v7: and i will establish my convenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee & to thy seed after thee.

genesis 17v10: this is my covenant whch ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee. everyman child among you shall be circumcised.

luke 2v21: and when 8 days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

but paul thought that he brought religion for unbelievers, and he wanted them to accept it, he abolished circumcision as in
galatian 5v2: behold, i paul say unto you that if you be circumcised, christ shall profit you nmothing.

also God told them not to drink wine but came and introduce that too.

also God condemn eating of pork but your lord paul introduced it

ARE U SATISFIED NOW?

MRpataki,

anybody that sees your post will think thau uv really answered my question but alas u failed woefully.

this is the question again

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

and you posted this as your response.

[b]@ babs787
I will answer your question thus:
Jesus is coming back for his church that is without sin, meanwhile there is what we call the Kingdom of God which is what Jesus is coming for, in absentia at the moment, he discovers among his own, some who seems to be influenced by the things of this world, rather than by the things of God. Like the kingdom in the story,(where you brought out) our world is in a state of civil war, some people are loyal to God, our King in heaven, while others refuse to acknowledge his Lordship. One day the Lord Jesus will return to put an end to the civil war by destroying the enemies and recreating the earth. On which side will you be?

In essence the scripture you have just qouted for explanation by me is actually Jesus making us to know what the endtime(his coming back) is actually going to look like.

As much He is the Prince of peace, He is also a God of judgement, and when he comes back to earth, he is coming for Judgement, and to take his own kingdom home.[/b]
If you still want more clarifications i will kindly oblidge you.

IS THERE ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MY QUESTION AND YOUR RESPONSE IN WHICH YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE ANSWERED?

am not saying he is not coming back, i asked for the MEANING OF THE VERSE. abi make i put am for another language for your understanding?
is this the explanation to the verse i quoted.

havila,

i may be an illiterate for the fact that i brought out truth for you to see in which you and your cohorts failed to answer.

i have no time to discuss the issue of Ishmael with you. if you want, we create a thread for that and i will bring you out of your ignorance, but for now, the topic remains and also my above verse remains too.

tayod,

uve really showed your level of ignorance. its truly a disease that has eaten down into your system not allowing you to comprehend easily.

u saw my questions on the quoted verse and u saw your response. is there are similarity between my quote and your response?.

for clarification this is the quote below and your response to it.

@babs747,


Quote
1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

your response

[b]The scripture you have above is that of authority. I have said before that while the man may be in authority over the woman, he is not in essence a greater or better being than she is (Never mind Muhammad's balderdash that women have less intelligence than men). It is only sensible and according to the Godhead's divine plan that final authority is left with the Father. It is like the story of creation where we see the plurality of the Godhead in the pronunciations: "Let Us, ". In the creation of the woman however, we find the Father saying "I will, " showing that He kind of stepped-out from the unity of the God-head to create the woman based on His will. Jesus on the other hand always subjects His will to that of the Father as we see in the garden of Gethsemane.

So while I have provided an explanation which I doubt you will understand, can you please explain to us why a part of the Jewish oral tradition (the Mishnah) was lifted word for word and included in your Koran? Do you realise that the koranic verse in 5:32 that says: "And for this reason, we ordained for the children of Israel that whoever has killed a single human without just cause, it is as if he has killed the entire humankind." was lifted from the "Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a." So much for Muhammad's inability to read or worse still, the divine inspiration of its source. I doubt the real Angel Gabriel will be involved in plagiarism!!![/b]

what is the relationship between 'let us' and 'i will' and my verse above

have said before that while the man may be in authority over the woman, he is not in essence a greater or better being than she is (Never mind Muhammad's balderdash that women have less intelligence than men). It is only sensible and according to the Godhead's divine plan that final authority is left with the Father.

haba, alagba, why all these, is this the answer to my question? of what relevance is your above verse

also

Do you realise that the koranic verse in 5:32 that says: "And for this reason, we ordained for the children of Israel that whoever has killed a single human without just cause, it is as if he has killed the entire humankind." was lifted from the "Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a." So much for Muhammad's inability to read or worse still, the divine inspiration of its source. I doubt the real Angel Gabriel will be involved in plagiarism!!![/b]

are u comparing your quoted verse with the one above/ no similarity sir.

i know you will never be able to answer it cos you are confused and defencing the indefensible. i know for sure if i had asked you to explain from the head of christ is God, u would have given me one or two blasphemous statements, but i asked you to explain from the beginning, u failed to.

u r already dillusioned. why believing in what u cant defend. and in addition, this is just one out of the very many evidences to proof that jesus is not God. having failed to explain one, how will you be able to explain the remaining?

u can see that u r in a fixed. u have roped yourself for a statement u cant defend and very blasphemous indeed.

AM STILL FOR YOUR OTHER POPE IN THE LIKE OF HAVILA, MRPATAKI, BABYOSIS ETC to bail you out.

will get back to you soon with more evidence of your pauline christianity and also tell who paul really is and he started your religion havingf abolish jesus' teachings

havila,

did u say judeo was used figuratively?

now if you need any reference, go to the bible, the quran and the science written by maurice bucaille, he was in the dark like you before he saw the truth. if you can lay your hands on the book, u will stop all these your blind arguments and aand ignorance.

also go to the web yourself and read it up.

now why dont you give me reference too for all your write ups

DAVIDYLAN,

IT IS VERY MUCH true that ignorance is a disease and your above quote showed your level of ignorance.

now lets go back to your quoted verses

26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

now TO 26, WAS HE SPEAKING IN PARABLES TOO AND
27, WAS THAT A PARABLE
28, WAS THAT A PARABLE TOO?

in a nutshell, bringing people and slay them before me is a parable, can you tell me the meaning of the parable and what qualifies it to be parable

and also the last verse u quoted when he went to jerusalem is also a parable.

one more question, what qualifies the 27 to be parable and why 26 and 28 is also not a parable?

u are also confused, beating about the bush.

u may include the below and explain

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.


AS CONFUSED AS MRPATAKI

khamileo,

u saw my question up. also i never go aganst your calling jesus GOD but am asking you to explain the below verse

1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

I NEED EXPLANATION ON THE ABOVE VERSE, STARTING FROM THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST DOWN TO HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.

mrpataki et al,

u claimed that jesus is God, very blasphemous statement and showed your level of ignorance.

now, to simplify issue, i will be posting a verse and seeking your response instead of giving out all verses.so if u r able to answer that i will post another verse in order to bring you out from your dark.

now lets start. i need a good explanation on this

1st Corinthian 11v3: but i want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is her husband and the head of christ is God.

I NEED EXPLANATION ON THE ABOVE VERSE, STARTING FROM THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN DOWN TO HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.

mrpataki,

i can see that u r really at the crossroad. i asked for the meaning of a verse from your bible (what your jesus god said) and u started giving me irrelevant response.

i saw you are really dillusioned so i limited the verses to just only one. i need good explanation on it. this is the verse below.

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

and you posted this as your response.

[b]@ babs787
I will answer your question thus:
Jesus is coming back for his church that is without sin, meanwhile there is what we call the Kingdom of God which is what Jesus is coming for, in absentia at the moment, he discovers among his own, some who seems to be influenced by the things of this world, rather than by the things of God. Like the kingdom in the story,(where you brought out) our world is in a state of civil war, some people are loyal to God, our King in heaven, while others refuse to acknowledge his Lordship. One day the Lord Jesus will return to put an end to the civil war by destroying the enemies and recreating the earth. On which side will you be?

In essence the scripture you have just qouted for explanation by me is actually Jesus making us to know what the endtime(his coming back) is actually going to look like.

As much He is the Prince of peace, He is also a God of judgement, and when he comes back to earth, he is coming for Judgement, and to take his own kingdom home.

If you still want more clarifications i will kindly oblidge you.[/b]

IS THERE ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MY QUESTION AND YOUR RESPONSE IN WHICH YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE ANSWERED?

@ope emi,

u claimed jesus was speaking in parable. is the above verse a parable and i will be happy if you can assist your confused and ignorant fellow (mrpataki) and bail him out. he's lost of words and beating about the bush.