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naijacutee and the rest christians in the room.

why cant u be sincere and homest with yourselves.
naijacutee, u said the reason for the inclusion of those Indecency is for the completion of the bible.

so if you need the completion of the bible, does Indecency needs to be added. and how will u feel if your younger ones read and come across all those. wont they encourage fornication.

also check the book of solomon, there u have all the poems, flatteries etc, u will use in toasting and seducing any babes.

I ASK U AGAIN WHAT MORAL DO ALL THESE TEACH?, prophet sleeping with a LovePeddler, sleeping with daugther, sleeping with concumbine, mentioning of breasts etc.

davdlyan

@ babs787
you have shown me nothing, you have simply "cut and paste" another man's confusion, until you are ready to articulate YOUR OWN grievances in the bible then we can sit down and discuss! Until then keep roaming in the darkness!

u said ve cut and pasted another man's confusion. another man's confuasion or whats in the bible. go thru ur bible and check urself. TRUTH STANDS FROM FASLEHOOD. I dsont have to be wasting time on you, i have lots of work to do. u r simply running and hiding the truth. u said i cut and pasted. from where? is it not from your own bible?

am still waiting for ur responxe. is it inspiration that msde the authrs of the bible to be writing different things for the same happening? and the bible said our God is not of confusion.

please dont divert my question pls

ishmael,

once again, i decided to bring it up again. while typing, i made typographical error which if not corrected, u may turn it to mean another thing.

this is the very sentence am referring to you yourself knew that Muslims donmt have jesus christ. u saw all i brought out from the bible, what is anti christ in that for telling the truth.

u urself knew that every muslims love jesus christ,we have him in our holy quran including his mother. we believe in him cos its part of the articles of faith to believe in all prophets including jesus.

may God forgive you and show the truth

Flee from babs787 oh ye christians. He's an anti- christ. Flee brothers.

ISHMAEL,

ma God forgive you.
so i have turned to anti-christ for telling and bringing the truth for the whole nairalanders to see.

you urself knew that Muslims donmt have jesus christ. u saw all i brought out from the bible, what is anti christ in that for telling the truth.

even your bible say prove all things and hold fast which is truth.

check all again, is there anywhere i added or submitted? far from that. i will always say the trtuth.

Ishmael, once again, may God forgive you and show you the truth cos its only HIM that saves.

maa salam

hello nairalanders.

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for example, look at those sites supplied, there is no relationship between those sites and the companies and all have same sites for different companies! how could that be ? and u will notice that the sites didnt open.

PLEASE A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE. for futher information u can mail me on tundebabs77@yahoo.com

davidlyan and backslider,
u suprised me a lot. this is what u wrote

Do you have multiple names? So If some was called Babatunde Elijah Oluwafemi, will it be wrong to call him Tunde or Elijah? Would that be refering to a different individual? Use your head mister!

now, let me ask u again, do these refer to the same thing?

DID JESUS ANSWER ALL PILATE’S QUESTIONS?

John 18v33-37: jesus gave answers to all the posers pilate put to him.
Mathew 27v13-14: , he gave him (pilate) no answer, not even to a single charge.

WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone.

WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone

WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

ARE U CHRISTIANS SAYING ALL MEANT SAME THING? FAR FROM THAT.

A VERSE SAYING 3RD HOUR AND ANOTHER 6TH HOUR, ARE THEY THE SAME?

Backslider. i asked questions, see your response, diverting to another issue. pls answer my questions pls.

this is what the owner of holy books said in order to know his books.

Quran 4v82: do they not then consider(reflect/ponder) the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (God/Ellah/Chineke/Olorun/Osanobua etc), they would surely have FOUND THEREIN MANY A CONTRADICTION.


backslider. so we use this to judge huh. now answer my questions pls

WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone

WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

ETC

explain the above pls

backslider. this is quranic quotation for verification


Quran 4v82: do they not then consider(reflect/ponder) the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (God/Ellah/Chineke/Olorun/Osanobua etc), they would surely have FOUND THEREIN MANY A CONTRADICTION.

SO EXPLAIN WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BIBLE (GOD'S WORD)

backslider. u claimed there is no contradiction. what is this

WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

ETC

explain the above pls

tayoD, ur quote
5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
5:13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
5:14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
5:15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--

baased on the above, it was said sin came into the world cus of one man which is Adam. maybe i should refresh ur mind that there was nothing like sin during Adams'era before the eating of the tree. (is tat true). and it will agree with me that t was the eating of sin that caused the banishment from the Garden. and also do u agree that if thjere had not been eating of the forbidden tree, three wouldnt have been any sin whatsoever (do u agree).

wat is the meaning of ALL HAVE SINNED, WHICH ALL, WHEN DID THEY SIN? UVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.

AND U ALSO CLAIMED, IT WAS ONLY JESUS THAT WAS SINLESS. SHAME ON YOU, UVE NOT BEEN READIN YOUR BIBLE.

WHAT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE

Mark 6v20: herod feared John knowing that he was a righteous and holy man.
Daniel 6v4: Daniel was faithful, no error or fault was found on him.
Luke 1v16: Zechariah and his wife were both righteous.
1st Samuel 12v3-5: Samuel never oppressed…he is free from all faults.
Mathew 1v19: Joseph was a just man
Luke 2v25: simeon was devout and righteous one etc


CAN A SINNER BE RIGHTEOUS AND JUST AND DEVOTED?

U URSELF KNEW AND HAS SEEN THE TRUTH BUT U R HIIDING IT. THE ISSUE OF SIN IS NOT CLEARED TO YOU YET UR BIBLE LAY EMPAHSIS ON IT. WHAT SIN DID JESUS CAME TO DIE FOR.

AND HAVE U FORGOTTEN THAT IF ADAM AND EVE HAD NOT EATEN THE FRUIT, WE WOULD ALL BE AT THE GARDEN AND THERE WOULD BE NO DEATH. BUT AS A RESULT OF THE EATING OF THE FRUIT, SIN CAME, BANISHMENT CAME BUT U CLAIMED GOD SSENT JESUS TO COME. LET ME ASK U AGAIN, WHY DID JESUS CAME, AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

A WAITING

piddo for you and the rest

THE REASON FOR THE BELOW IS TO LET SOME CHRISTIANS THAT DO ACCUSE THE HOLY QURAN OF CONTAINING VIOLENT WORDS THAT THEY SHOULD BRING THEIR PRROF WHEREIN IT CONTAINS OR MAKE MENTION OF SWORDS. I COULDN’T EVEN BELIEVE IT WHEN I READ THE FREE USE OF SWRODS IN THE BIBLE AND ALSO JESUS (JESUS IN THE BIBLE) TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THOSE AGAINST HIM!!!

Killing women, children, animals.

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord isad, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites…………, as the Lord commanded Moses

Killing women, children, animals.

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattles and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

KILL THEM AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTIES

Deut 20v10: when u draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And it its answer to you is peace and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, THEN U SHALL BESIEGE IT, U SHALL PUT ALL THE MALES TO THE SWORD, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and everything else in the city all its spoils, u shall TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES AND U SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.

REVENGE, SWORD AND FIRE

Amos 9v1: I will SLAY that left of them unto the SWORD, not one of them shall flee away. I will command the SWORD, and it shall SLAY THEM.

Jer 49v37: I will send the SWORD after them until I have CONSUMED them.

SWORD AND FIRE IN NEW TESTAMENT (ALL THESE WERE SAID BY JESUS)

Luke 12v49: I came to cast fire upon the earth and would that it were already kindled. Do not think I came to make peace but rather DIVISION for from henceforth in one house there will be five didvided, three against two, two against three. They will be divided, father against son, son against father, mother against daughter, daughter against mother.

Mathew 10v34: do not think I have come to make peace on earth. I have not come to make peace but a SWORD. For I have come to set man against his father and a daughter against her mother.

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

NA WA O. ALL THESE SAID BY JESUS ALONE. The reason for this is that U accused the Holy Quran of containing violence and there is no place in the Quran that mention sword as in the bible. How could a bible contain all these, Haba. Truth stands from falsehood. Truth has come and falsehood will perish. Know the truth and it will set you free.

CHRISTIANS THINK THAT MUSLIMS HATE JESUS OR LIKEWISE BUT THE BITTER TRUTH IS THAT, WE ACCORD HIM RESPECT MORE THAN CHRISTIANS DO. WE BELIEVE IN HIM LIKEWISE OTHER PROPHETS TOO UNLIKE CHRISTIANS THAT DISCRIMINATE. WE BELIEVE IN HIS GOSPEL AND HIS TEACHINGS AS THE SLAVE AND PROPHET OF GOD.BUT NOT THE SO CALLED NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS CARRY ABOUT (PAULINE DOCTRINE) THAT HAS BEEN EDITED, SUBTRACTED, ADDED, MULTIPLIED AND COPIED FROM EACH OTHER (THE AUTHORS).

MUSLIMS ARE NOT HERE AT NAIRALAND TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION BUT TO LET U KNOW THE TRUTH HAVING MISLED MANY AND ALSO DISTURBING THE PEACE OF MUSLIMS WITH YOUR ACCEPT JESUS TODAY, HE’S THE SAVIOUR, HE DIED FOR YOUR SIN ETC WITHOUT HAVING A RE-THINK OF IT AND CHECK FOR ITS ROOT FROM THE BIBLE . UR BIBLE EVEN SAID IT THAT PROVE ALL THINGS AND HOLD FAST WHICH IS TRUTH AND ALSO KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT WILL SET U FREE. SO IF U DON’T COMPARE THINGS, PROVE AND MAKE RESEARCH, HOW WILL U KNOW THE TRUTH? ALLAH (SWT) SAID IN THE HOLY QURAN THAT CALL TO THE WAY OF THE LORD WITH WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND BEAUTIFUL PREACHING.

Quran 4v82: do they not then consider(reflect/ponder) the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah (God/Ellah/Chineke/Olorun/Osanobua etc), they would surely have FOUND THEREIN MANY A CONTRADICTION.

That is the saying of the owner of the holy books telling u how to know that a book is from HIM. Meaning if any book contain contradictions, then its not from HIM. We made research into the bible and found out many discrepancies. He (ALLAH) also said that the Holy Quran is from HIM and that HE will guide it and that if man and jinns work together, they can never a produce a chapter likeof. 1400 years ago, the Holy Quran is still intact despite different authors but check bible, no way, KJV contradicts RSV, Catholic having their own doctrine and bible different from protestants, Jehovah witnesses having theirs different from Deeper life etc. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE. ACCEPT TRUTH TODAY, ALLAH IS MERCIFUL AND BENEFICIENT. HE DOESN’T NEED ANY BLOOD SACRIFICE OF ANY HUMAN (JESUS) BEFORE HE FORGIVES IF ONLY U WILL DO AWAY WITH UR SINS AND NEVER GO BACK TO IT AND ACCEPT HIM AS UR LORD, UR CREATOR, SAVIOUR AND NOT TAKING MORTAL AS UR SAVIOUR (JESUS) FOR HE FORGIVES ALL SINS EXCEPT POLYTHEISM (TRINITY, ASCRIBING PARTNER WITH HIM,ETC) AND GIVING HIS ATTRIBUTES TO FELLOW CREATION (JESUS)

ISLAM STANDS FROM FALSEHOOD AND DECEPTION. JOIN THE RELIGION OF THE WISE. ISLAM IS THE NOAH’S ARK OF TODAY, EMBARK ON IT AND BE SAVED.

tayoD,  i dont have time for you cos u have seen the turht but avoiding it, but at the same i will bring it to your awareness. check this below.

u claimed there was nothing like inherited sin from the bible, pls expalin these to me then


On the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible  says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows:

1.  Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
 QUESTION: WHO IS ALL? AND WHAT SIN IS THAT? WHY WOULD ALL HAVE SINNED?

2, Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

QUESTION; WHY WOULD MAN BORN OF A WOMAN BE UNCLEAN?

3. Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

EXPLAIN ABOVE TOO

4, Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

QUESTION: HOW DID SIN ENTERED THE WORLD THRU ONE MAN. AND WHAT SIN IS THAT? AND WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ALL ALL HAVE SINNED? WHEN DID ALL SINNED AND WHY DID THEY SIN?

ANSWER THE ABOVE PLS OR U GO BACK TO ALL I WROTE.

GOOD LUCK

DAVIDYLAN.

u claimed the Quran has contradictions, pls prove it. but i will show you bible's cntradictions and pls explain to me pls

CONTRADICTIONS

1. The Genealogy of Joseph or Jesus? (Compare Mathew and Luke. Mathew has 28 while Luke has 42 different names) which should we accept? Explain please

Mathew 1v18 Luke 3v23
S/No
1 David David
2 Solomon Solomon
3 rehoboam Mattatha
4 Abijah menna
5 Asa Melera
6 Jehosaphat Eliakim
7 Joram Jonam
8 Uzziah Joseph
9 Jotham Juda
10 Ahaz Simeon
11 Hezekiah Levi
12 Manasseh Matthat
13 Amos Jorim
14 Josiah Eliezer
15 Jechoniah Joshua
16 Altiel Er
17 Zerubbabel Elmadam
18 Abiud Cosam
19 Eliakim Addi
20 Azor Melchi
22 Zadok Neri
23 Achim Shealtiel
24 Eliud Zerubbabel
25 Eleazar Rhesa
26 Matthan Joanan
27 Jacob Joda
28 Josech Josech
29 jesus Semein
30 Matathias
31 Maati
31 Naggai
33 Esli
34 Nahuro
35 Amos
36 Mattathias
37 Joseph
38 Jannai
39 Melchi
40 Levi
41 Matthat
42 Heli
43 Joseph
44 jesus

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIST

2 CONTRADICTORY NAMES OF JESUS DISCIPLES

S/NO MATHEW 10V2 & MARK 3V16 LUKE 6V4
1 Simon the cananaan Simon called Peter
2 Simon called Peter Andrew hi brother
3 Andrew James son of Zabadee
4 James son of Zabadee John his brother
5 John Philip
6 Philip Bartholomew
7 Bartholomew Mathew the tax collector
8 Mathew Thomas
9 Thomas James son of Alphaus
10 James son of Thadaeus Simon the zealot
11 Lebaous called Thadaeus Judas the son of James
12 Judas the Iscariot Judas the Iscariot

NOTE: MATHEW & MARK ADD: LEBAOUS & SIMON THE CANANNAN BUT OMIT SIMEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES WHILE LUKE ADDS SIMOEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES AND OMIT LABAOUS & SIMEON CANANNAN.

SO PLS EXPLAIN WHY DIFFERENT NAMES.

3. WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

QUESTION, WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

4. HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

QUESTION: HOW MANY DID HE APPREAD TO/ EXPLAIN THE CHANGE PLS

5. IS JESUS RECORD/WITNESS TRUE OR NOT TRUE?

john 8v4: if I bear record of myself, yet my record is true
john 5v31: if I bear rwitness of myself, my witness is not true

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE OF THE TWO

6. WHEN DID THE STORY OF THE FISHERMEN HAPPENED?

Luke 5v1: the story of the fishermen happened at the beginning of Jesus’ mission (see also Mathew 4v18).
John 21v1: the story of the fishermen happened after jesus was resurrected from the dead.

QUESTION: SO WHICH DO WE CHOOSE AND WHY?

7. WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

QUESTION: SO WHEH DID HE PURIFIED?

8. WHO PROVOKED DAVID: SATAN OR GOD?

2nd Samuel 24v1: God provoked david against Israel and said go and number them
1st chronicles 21v1: satan provoked david against Israel and orderd him to go and number Israel.

QUESTION: WHO PROVOKED WHO?

9. HOW MANY CHARIOTS DID DAVID SLEW?

2nd Samuel 10v18: david slew 700 chariots of the Syrians
1st Chronicles 19v18: david slew 7000 chariots of the Syrians.

QUESTION: SO MANY DID HE ACTUALLY SLEW?

10. WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

QUESTION:WHEN WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED?

11. WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone.

QUESTION: WHO CARRIED THE CROSS?”

12. WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

QUESTION; WHAT DID HE DRINK?

13. HOW MANY THIEVES INSULTED HIM/

Mathew 27v44: the two thieves who were crucified with him were insulting him
Luke 23v39: one of the thieves was reviling jesus and the other rebuked him (the other0 saying do you not fear God?

QUESTION: HOW MANY INSULTED JESUS?

14. NO ONE MAN HAS SEEN GOD

1st john 4v12: no man has ever seen God.
Gen 32v23: so Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying “for I have seen God face to face”.
Exodus 33v11: thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face.

QUESTION; HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD OR IS MOSES EXCLUDED FROM BEING A MAN?

15. HAS ANYONE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN?

John 3v13: no one has ascended to heaven
kings 2v11: Elijah went up by a whirl wind into heaven
2nd chorinthians 12v2-3: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heavens.
Hebrew 11v5: by faith Enoch (Idris) was taken up to heaven alive and not back on earth.
QUESTION; SO WHICH SIDE ARE YOU?

16. IS IT WHEN THERE IS NO LAW THERE IS NO SIN OR VICE VERSA?

Roman 4v15: where thee is no law there is no transgression
Roman 2v12: all who have sinned without law will also perish.

QUESTION: SO WHICH IS RIGHT?

17. WILL THE FATHER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SON’S SINS?

Deutronomy 24v16: the fathers shall not be put to death for the children ………,
Ezekiel 18v20: …………nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……
Isaiah 14v21: prepare slaughter for his sons because the guilt of their fathers.

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE DO WE ACCEPT?

18. IS ADULTERY ALLOWED?

Exodus 20v14: you shall not commit adultery
Hosea 1v2: the Lord said to Hosea “ go take to yourself a wife of harlotry.
Hosea 3v1: and the lord said to me, “go again, love a woman who is beloved of a paramour and is an adulteress.

QUESTION: WHICH OF THE ABOVE IS CORRECT WITH EXPLANATION PLS.

19. THE RIGHTEOUS DOES NOT FALL ILLS OR DO NOT?

Proverb 12v21: no ills befalls the righteous
Proverb 24 v16: for a righteous man falls seven times.

QUESTION; SO WHICH OF THE TWO IS CORRECT?

20. IS MAN MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE OR NON COMPARED OR LIKEN TO GOD?

Genesis 1v26-27: God said, let us make man in our own image.
Isaiah 46v5: to whom will you liken me and make me equal and compare me, that we may be alike.

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN.

FALSE CHARGES AGAINST JESUS “CONTRADICTIONS”

21. MUST WE STEAL OR NOT?

Exodus 20v15: you shall not steal
Mathew 12v1-4:, Luke 19v29-35: jesus disciples steal grains and jesus said David did so (steal).

QUESTION; IS STEALING ALLOWED?

22. CAN JESUS JUDGE?

John 5v22: the father judges no one, but has given all judgments to the son (jesus)
Psalm 50v6: the heavens declare his righteousness for God himself is judge.
Also check luke 12v4, john 12v47, john 8v15 are saying same thing.

QUESTION: IS JESUS OR GOD JUDGE?

23. CAN JESUS ASSURES SOMEONE HEAVEN?

John 14v3: when I go and prepare a place for you (heaven)
Mathew 20v20-23: to sit at my right hand and my left is not mine to grant, but it’s for those whom it has been prepared by my father.
Also john 5v30, mark 10v35.

QUESTION: WHICH ONE OF THE TWO?

24. WAS JESUS GIVEN THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER (DAVID)

Luke 1v31-32: and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David (in Jerusalem)
John 18v36: my kingship is not of this world.

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

25. DID JESUS ANSWER ALL PILATE’S QUESTIONS?

John 18v33-37: jesus gave answers to all the posers pilate put to him.
Mathew 27v13-14: , he gave him (pilate) no answer, not even to a single charge.

QUESTION: SO DID JESUS ANSWER OR NOT, EXPLAIN THE PASSAGE PLS.

26. WHAT DID JUDAS DO WITH THE MONEY GIVEN TO HIM?

Mathew 27v5-8: ……and throw down the money the pieces of selves in the temple…….
Acts 1v16-18: …, and he was allotted his sharing in his ministry. Judas bought a field with blood money written, (cursed everyone hanged on a tree).

QUESTION ; SO WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE MONEY?

27. DID THOSE THAT SAW JESUS TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING?

Mark 16v8: they said nothing to anyone, as they were afraid.
Luke 24v8-9: they told all this to the eleven. And they remembered his words.

28. DID THEY HOLD JESUS OR NOT?

Mathew 28v1-9: …. Come up and took hold of his feet and worship him.
John 20v16-17: jesus said to her, ‘ do not hold me?

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT.

Based on all these, I believe a sincere Christian will know and believe that the bible is riddled with contradictions. This goes a long way to say that, the book given to jesus (Torah) is not in existence. Most of the teachings has been expunged and tailored to suit jewish teachings. Also out of all the books of the new testament,paul after deceiving people of seeing God wrote like 27 books. He was against jesus jesus teachings and never saw jesus during his time, it was only Barnabas, who witnessed jesus teachings but his book was not included in the bible today cos it told truth about jesus (sonship, blood atonement etc)(get a copy of the gospel of barnabas and read, very important). Also there are other books that were not included in the bible.

Based on the above, I want an honest Christian to do justice to all the numbered questions above.

Also watch out for the origin of bible, sonship of God, cruxifiction, who is paul etc


EXPLAIN PLS

davidyla and the rest

u claimed that Quran preaches violence. where is is stated. am sure by the time i bring to ur awareness where bibles preaches violence and killing people, etc. u will eat ur words. coming soon. u will be suprised cos most of ur elders are hiding those chapters from you.

Gods willing its coming soon?

tayoD, i dont have time for you cos u have seen the turht but avoiding it, but at the same i will bring it to your awareness. check this below.

u claimed there was nothing like inherited sin from the bible, pls expalin these to me then


On the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows:

1. Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
QUESTION: WHO IS ALL? AND WHAT SIN IS THAT? WHY WOULD ALL HAVE SINNED?

2, Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

QUESTION; WHY WOULD MAN BORN OF A WOMAN BE UNCLEAN?

3. Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

EXPLAIN ABOVE TOO

4, Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

QUESTION: HOW DID SIN ENTERED THE WORLD THRU ONE MAN. AND WHAT SIN IS THAT? AND WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ALL ALL HAVE SINNED? WHEN DID ALL SINNED AND WHY DID THEY SIN?

ANSWER THE ABOVE PLS OR U GO BACK TO ALL I WROTE.

GOOD LUCK

drusilla.

u claimed it was inspired. was contradictions part of inspiration. or how could an inspired book contain contradictions.

assuming u have a new convert and he came acrss those disacrepancies, is that how you would explain to him. how could a verse be saying no and another saying yes, which should we accept?

christians mind had been programmed and no amount of truth will ever change their mind except those that God want to save. this programming has made them not to ponder over their bible and discover the discrepancies themselves.

backsider,

u r the most funny being i have ever seen. i threw questions at you, why cant u tell me u r lost in between rather than changing the topic. u christians claimed the bible was inpired. was it part of inspiration that made them wrote different things in the so called book of God.

u said u have stories about Islam please can u share it with the room pls. but before u share it, answer my questions, and dont dodge. bail your christian fellow out that came across the contradictions

how will u bail me out of these contradictrions, i need solid explanation pls

CONTRADICTIONS

1. The Genealogy of Joseph or Jesus? (Compare Mathew and Luke. Mathew has 28 while Luke has 42 different names) which should we accept? Explain please
Mathew 1v18 Luke 3v23
S/No
1 David David
2 Solomon Solomon
3 rehoboam Mattatha
4 Abijah menna
5 Asa Melera
6 Jehosaphat Eliakim
7 Joram Jonam
8 Uzziah Joseph
9 Jotham Juda
10 Ahaz Simeon
11 Hezekiah Levi
12 Manasseh Matthat
13 Amos Jorim
14 Josiah Eliezer
15 Jechoniah Joshua
16 Altiel Er
17 Zerubbabel Elmadam
18 Abiud Cosam
19 Eliakim Addi
20 Azor Melchi
22 Zadok Neri
23 Achim Shealtiel
24 Eliud Zerubbabel
25 Eleazar Rhesa
26 Matthan Joanan
27 Jacob Joda
28 Josech Josech
29 jesus Semein
30 Matathias
31 Maati
31 Naggai
33 Esli
34 Nahuro
35 Amos
36 Mattathias
37 Joseph
38 Jannai
39 Melchi
40 Levi
41 Matthat
42 Heli
43 Joseph
44 jesus

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIST

2 CONTRADICTORY NAMES OF JESUS DISCIPLES

S/NO MATHEW 10V2 & MARK 3V16 LUKE 6V4

1 Simon the cananaan Simon called Peter
2 Simon called Peter Andrew hi brother
3 Andrew James son of Zabadee
4 James son of Zabadee John his brother
5 John Philip
6 Philip Bartholomew
7 Bartholomew Mathew the tax collector
8 Mathew Thomas
9 Thomas James son of Alphaus
10 James son of Thadaeus Simon the zealot
11 Lebaous called Thadaeus Judas the son of James
12 Judas the Iscariot Judas the Iscariot

NOTE: MATHEW & MARK ADD: LEBAOUS & SIMON THE CANANNAN BUT OMIT SIMEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES WHILE LUKE ADDS SIMOEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES AND OMIT LABAOUS & SIMEON CANANNAN.

SO PLS EXPLAIN WHY DIFFERENT NAMES.

3. WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

QUESTION, WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

4. HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

QUESTION: HOW MANY DID HE APPREAD TO/ EXPLAIN THE CHANGE PLS

5. IS JESUS RECORD/WITNESS TRUE OR NOT TRUE?

john 8v4: if I bear record of myself, yet my record is true
john 5v31: if I bear rwitness of myself, my witness is not true

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE OF THE TWO

6. WHEN DID THE STORY OF THE FISHERMEN HAPPENED?

Luke 5v1: the story of the fishermen happened at the beginning of Jesus’ mission (see also Mathew 4v18).
John 21v1: the story of the fishermen happened after jesus was resurrected from the dead.

QUESTION: SO WHICH DO WE CHOOSE AND WHY?

7. WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

QUESTION: SO WHEH DID HE PURIFIED?

8. WHO PROVOKED DAVID: SATAN OR GOD?

2nd Samuel 24v1: God provoked david against Israel and said go and number them
1st chronicles 21v1: satan provoked david against Israel and orderd him to go and number Israel.

QUESTION: WHO PROVOKED WHO?

9. HOW MANY CHARIOTS DID DAVID SLEW?

2nd Samuel 10v18: david slew 700 chariots of the Syrians
1st Chronicles 19v18: david slew 7000 chariots of the Syrians.

QUESTION: SO MANY DID HE ACTUALLY SLEW?

10. WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

QUESTION:WHEN WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED?

11. WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone.

QUESTION: WHO CARRIED THE CROSS?”

12. WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

QUESTION; WHAT DID HE DRINK?

13. HOW MANY THIEVES INSULTED HIM/

Mathew 27v44: the two thieves who were crucified with him were insulting him
Luke 23v39: one of the thieves was reviling jesus and the other rebuked him (the other0 saying do you not fear God?

QUESTION: HOW MANY INSULTED JESUS?

14. NO ONE MAN HAS SEEN GOD

1st john 4v12: no man has ever seen God.
Gen 32v23: so Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying “for I have seen God face to face”.
Exodus 33v11: thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face.

QUESTION; HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD OR IS MOSES EXCLUDED FROM BEING A MAN?

15. HAS ANYONE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN?

John 3v13: no one has ascended to heaven
kings 2v11: Elijah went up by a whirl wind into heaven
2nd chorinthians 12v2-3: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heavens.
Hebrew 11v5: by faith Enoch (Idris) was taken up to heaven alive and not back on earth.

QUESTION; SO WHICH SIDE ARE YOU?

16. IS IT WHEN THERE IS NO LAW THERE IS NO SIN OR VICE VERSA?
Roman 4v15: where thee is no law there is no transgression
Roman 2v12: all who have sinned without law will also perish.

QUESTION: SO WHICH IS RIGHT?

17. WILL THE FATHER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SON’S SINS?

Deutronomy 24v16: the fathers shall not be put to death for the children ………,
Ezekiel 18v20: …………nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……
Isaiah 14v21: prepare slaughter for his sons because the guilt of their fathers.

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE DO WE ACCEPT?

18. IS ADULTERY ALLOWED?

Exodus 20v14: you shall not commit adultery
Hosea 1v2: the Lord said to Hosea “ go take to yourself a wife of harlotry.
Hosea 3v1: and the lord said to me, “go again, love a woman who is beloved of a paramour and is an adulteress.

QUESTION: WHICH OF THE ABOVE IS CORRECT WITH EXPLANATION PLS.

19. THE RIGHTEOUS DOES NOT FALL ILLS OR DO NOT?

Proverb 12v21: no ills befalls the righteous
Proverb 24 v16: for a righteous man falls seven times.

QUESTION; SO WHICH OF THE TWO IS CORRECT?

20. IS MAN MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE OR NON COMPARED OR LIKEN TO GOD?

Genesis 1v26-27: God said, let us make man in our own image.
Isaiah 46v5: to whom will you liken me and make me equal and compare me, that we may be alike.

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN.

FALSE CHARGES AGAINST JESUS “CONTRADICTIONS”

21. MUST WE STEAL OR NOT?

Exodus 20v15: you shall not steal
Mathew 12v1-4:, Luke 19v29-35: jesus disciples steal grains and jesus said David did so (steal).

QUESTION; IS STEALING ALLOWED?

22. CAN JESUS JUDGE?

John 5v22: the father judges no one, but has given all judgments to the son (jesus)
Psalm 50v6: the heavens declare his righteousness for God himself is judge.
Also check luke 12v4, john 12v47, john 8v15 are saying same thing.

QUESTION: IS JESUS OR GOD JUDGE?

23. CAN JESUS ASSURES SOMEONE HEAVEN?

John 14v3: when I go and prepare a place for you (heaven)
Mathew 20v20-23: to sit at my right hand and my left is not mine to grant, but it’s for those whom it has been prepared by my father.
Also john 5v30, mark 10v35.

QUESTION: WHICH ONE OF THE TWO?

24. WAS JESUS GIVEN THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER (DAVID)

Luke 1v31-32: and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David (in Jerusalem)
John 18v36: my kingship is not of this world.

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

25. DID JESUS ANSWER ALL PILATE’S QUESTIONS?

John 18v33-37: jesus gave answers to all the posers pilate put to him.
Mathew 27v13-14: , he gave him (pilate) no answer, not even to a single charge.

QUESTION: SO DID JESUS ANSWER OR NOT, EXPLAIN THE PASSAGE PLS.

26. WHAT DID JUDAS DO WITH THE MONEY GIVEN TO HIM?

Mathew 27v5-8: ……and throw down the money the pieces of selves in the temple…….
Acts 1v16-18: …, and he was allotted his sharing in his ministry. Judas bought a field with blood money written, (cursed everyone hanged on a tree).

QUESTION ; SO WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE MONEY?

27. DID THOSE THAT SAW JESUS TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING?

Mark 16v8: they said nothing to anyone, as they were afraid.
Luke 24v8-9: they told all this to the eleven. And they remembered his words.

28. DID THEY HOLD JESUS OR NOT?

Mathew 28v1-9: …. Come up and took hold of his feet and worship him.
John 20v16-17: jesus said to her, ‘ do not hold me?

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT.

Based on all these, I believe a sincere Christian will know and believe that the bible is riddled with contradictions. This goes a long way to say that, the book given to jesus (Torah) is not in existence. Most of the teachings has been expunged and tailored to suit jewish teachings. Also out of all the books of the new testament,paul after deceiving people of seeing God wrote like 27 books. He was against jesus jesus teachings and never saw jesus during his time, it was only Barnabas, who witnessed jesus teachings but his book was not included in the bible today because it told truth about jesus (sonship, blood atonement etc)(get a copy of the gospel of barnabas and read, very important). Also there are other books that were not included in the bible.

Based on the above, I want an honest Christian to do justice to all the numbered questions above.

Also watch out for the origin of bible, sonship of God, cruxifiction, who is paul etc

TayoD, what does the chapters meant and answer pls

Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

WHICH ALL? AND WHAT SIN IS THAT,( NOT THE USE OF ALL)

Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

WHAT DOES THIS MEANT TOO, WHY ONE BORN OF A WOMAN BE UNCLEAN?

Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

DO JUSTICE TO THIS TOO (NOTE ALL)

Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

EXPLAIN THE ABOVE TOO. ALL MEN HAVE SINNED. WHICH SIN IS THAT? WHEN DID ALL MEN SINNED?

HAPPY READING TAYOD

Most christians believed that all holy books are being inspired so also the case of the bible. Inpired in the sense that it is being anchored by God through any of his servants. So, in a nutshell, if the bible is from God, there shouldn’t be any contradictions in it as promised by God in the Holy Quran in how to know His book (it mustn’t contain discrepancies). If the bible is being inspired, they should have written same things having been guided by God.Based on these, u will know that bible authors were not there when incidents happened, they copied each other. We shall see that later in my coming write ups.

So I ask my question again. To Christians for example, u preached to someone to accept your religion ands become a Christian, the person agreed. But when the person was going through his bible, he came across these discrepancies. He was confused and came to you for explanation. How will you bail him out based on the below and please I need an answer or explanation for every numbered discrepancies herein listed below:














CONTRADICTIONS

1. The Genealogy of Joseph or Jesus? (Compare Mathew and Luke. Mathew has 28 while Luke has 42 different names) which should we accept? Explain please

Mathew 1v18 Luke 3v23
S/No
1 David David
2 Solomon Solomon
3 rehoboam Mattatha
4 Abijah menna
5 Asa Melera
6 Jehosaphat Eliakim
7 Joram Jonam
8 Uzziah Joseph
9 Jotham Juda
10 Ahaz Simeon
11 Hezekiah Levi
12 Manasseh Matthat
13 Amos Jorim
14 Josiah Eliezer
15 Jechoniah Joshua
16 Altiel Er
17 Zerubbabel Elmadam
18 Abiud Cosam
19 Eliakim Addi
20 Azor Melchi
22 Zadok Neri
23 Achim Shealtiel
24 Eliud Zerubbabel
25 Eleazar Rhesa
26 Matthan Joanan
27 Jacob Joda
28 Josech Josech
29 jesus Semein
30 Matathias
31 Maati
31 Naggai
33 Esli
34 Nahuro
35 Amos
36 Mattathias
37 Joseph
38 Jannai
39 Melchi
40 Levi
41 Matthat
42 Heli
43 Joseph
44 jesus

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIST

2 CONTRADICTORY NAMES OF JESUS DISCIPLES

S/NO MATHEW 10V2 & MARK 3V16 LUKE 6V4
1 Simon the cananaan Simon called Peter
2 Simon called Peter Andrew hi brother
3 Andrew James son of Zabadee
4 James son of Zabadee John his brother
5 John Philip
6 Philip Bartholomew
7 Bartholomew Mathew the tax collector
8 Mathew Thomas
9 Thomas James son of Alphaus
10 James son of Thadaeus Simon the zealot
11 Lebaous called Thadaeus Judas the son of James
12 Judas the Iscariot Judas the Iscariot

NOTE: MATHEW & MARK ADD: LEBAOUS & SIMON THE CANANNAN BUT OMIT SIMEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES WHILE LUKE ADDS SIMOEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES AND OMIT LABAOUS & SIMEON CANANNAN.

SO PLS EXPLAIN WHY DIFFERENT NAMES.

3. WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

QUESTION, WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

4. HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

QUESTION: HOW MANY DID HE APPREAD TO/ EXPLAIN THE CHANGE PLS

5. IS JESUS RECORD/WITNESS TRUE OR NOT TRUE?

john 8v4: if I bear record of myself, yet my record is true
john 5v31: if I bear rwitness of myself, my witness is not true

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE OF THE TWO

6. WHEN DID THE STORY OF THE FISHERMEN HAPPENED?

Luke 5v1: the story of the fishermen happened at the beginning of Jesus’ mission (see also Mathew 4v18).
John 21v1: the story of the fishermen happened after jesus was resurrected from the dead.

QUESTION: SO WHICH DO WE CHOOSE AND WHY?

7. WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

QUESTION: SO WHEH DID HE PURIFIED?

8. WHO PROVOKED DAVID: SATAN OR GOD?

2nd Samuel 24v1: God provoked david against Israel and said go and number them
1st chronicles 21v1: satan provoked david against Israel and orderd him to go and number Israel.

QUESTION: WHO PROVOKED WHO?

9. HOW MANY CHARIOTS DID DAVID SLEW?

2nd Samuel 10v18: david slew 700 chariots of the Syrians
1st Chronicles 19v18: david slew 7000 chariots of the Syrians.

QUESTION: SO MANY DID HE ACTUALLY SLEW?

10. WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

QUESTION:WHEN WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED?

11. WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone.

QUESTION: WHO CARRIED THE CROSS?”

12. WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

QUESTION; WHAT DID HE DRINK?

13. HOW MANY THIEVES INSULTED HIM/

Mathew 27v44: the two thieves who were crucified with him were insulting him
Luke 23v39: one of the thieves was reviling jesus and the other rebuked him (the other0 saying do you not fear God?

QUESTION: HOW MANY INSULTED JESUS?

14. NO ONE MAN HAS SEEN GOD

1st john 4v12: no man has ever seen God.
Gen 32v23: so Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying “for I have seen God face to face”.
Exodus 33v11: thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face.

QUESTION; HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD OR IS MOSES EXCLUDED FROM BEING A MAN?

15. HAS ANYONE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN?

John 3v13: no one has ascended to heaven
kings 2v11: Elijah went up by a whirl wind into heaven
2nd chorinthians 12v2-3: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heavens.
Hebrew 11v5: by faith Enoch (Idris) was taken up to heaven alive and not back on earth.
QUESTION; SO WHICH SIDE ARE YOU?

16. IS IT WHEN THERE IS NO LAW THERE IS NO SIN OR VICE VERSA?

Roman 4v15: where thee is no law there is no transgression
Roman 2v12: all who have sinned without law will also perish.

QUESTION: SO WHICH IS RIGHT?

17. WILL THE FATHER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SON’S SINS?

Deutronomy 24v16: the fathers shall not be put to death for the children ………,
Ezekiel 18v20: …………nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……
Isaiah 14v21: prepare slaughter for his sons because the guilt of their fathers.

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE DO WE ACCEPT?

18. IS ADULTERY ALLOWED?

Exodus 20v14: you shall not commit adultery
Hosea 1v2: the Lord said to Hosea “ go take to yourself a wife of harlotry.
Hosea 3v1: and the lord said to me, “go again, love a woman who is beloved of a paramour and is an adulteress.

QUESTION: WHICH OF THE ABOVE IS CORRECT WITH EXPLANATION PLS.

19. THE RIGHTEOUS DOES NOT FALL ILLS OR DO NOT?

Proverb 12v21: no ills befalls the righteous
Proverb 24 v16: for a righteous man falls seven times.

QUESTION; SO WHICH OF THE TWO IS CORRECT?

20. IS MAN MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE OR NON COMPARED OR LIKEN TO GOD?

Genesis 1v26-27: God said, let us make man in our own image.
Isaiah 46v5: to whom will you liken me and make me equal and compare me, that we may be alike.

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN.

FALSE CHARGES AGAINST JESUS “CONTRADICTIONS”

21. MUST WE STEAL OR NOT?

Exodus 20v15: you shall not steal
Mathew 12v1-4:, Luke 19v29-35: jesus disciples steal grains and jesus said David did so (steal).

QUESTION; IS STEALING ALLOWED?

22. CAN JESUS JUDGE?

John 5v22: the father judges no one, but has given all judgments to the son (jesus)
Psalm 50v6: the heavens declare his righteousness for God himself is judge.
Also check luke 12v4, john 12v47, john 8v15 are saying same thing.

QUESTION: IS JESUS OR GOD JUDGE?

23. CAN JESUS ASSURES SOMEONE HEAVEN?

John 14v3: when I go and prepare a place for you (heaven)
Mathew 20v20-23: to sit at my right hand and my left is not mine to grant, but it’s for those whom it has been prepared by my father.
Also john 5v30, mark 10v35.

QUESTION: WHICH ONE OF THE TWO?

24. WAS JESUS GIVEN THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER (DAVID)

Luke 1v31-32: and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David (in Jerusalem)
John 18v36: my kingship is not of this world.

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

25. DID JESUS ANSWER ALL PILATE’S QUESTIONS?

John 18v33-37: jesus gave answers to all the posers pilate put to him.
Mathew 27v13-14: , he gave him (pilate) no answer, not even to a single charge.

QUESTION: SO DID JESUS ANSWER OR NOT, EXPLAIN THE PASSAGE PLS.

26. WHAT DID JUDAS DO WITH THE MONEY GIVEN TO HIM?

Mathew 27v5-8: ……and throw down the money the pieces of selves in the temple…….
Acts 1v16-18: …, and he was allotted his sharing in his ministry. Judas bought a field with blood money written, (cursed everyone hanged on a tree).

QUESTION ; SO WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE MONEY?

27. DID THOSE THAT SAW JESUS TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING?

Mark 16v8: they said nothing to anyone, as they were afraid.
Luke 24v8-9: they told all this to the eleven. And they remembered his words.

28. DID THEY HOLD JESUS OR NOT?

Mathew 28v1-9: …. Come up and took hold of his feet and worship him.
John 20v16-17: jesus said to her, ‘ do not hold me?

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT.

Based on all these, I believe a sincere Christian will know and believe that the bible is riddled with contradictions. This goes a long way to say that, the book given to jesus (Torah) is not in existence. Most of the teachings has been expunged and tailored to suit jewish teachings. Also out of all the books of the new testament,paul after deceiving people of seeing God wrote like 27 books. He was against jesus jesus teachings and never saw jesus during his time, it was only Barnabas, who witnessed jesus teachings but his book was not included in the bible today because it told truth about jesus (sonship, blood atonement etc)(get a copy of the gospel of barnabas and read, very important). Also there are other books that were not included in the bible.

Based on the above, I want an honest Christian to do justice to all the numbered questions above.

Also watch out for the origin of bible, sonship of God, cruxifiction, who is paul etc

TayoD

Now, u claimed that there is no place in the bible that mentioned inherited, read the following and go back to all my questions. U r just beating about the bush with nothing to say. Why cant u be sincere for a minute. U have seen the truth but refused accepting it.


WAS MAN BORN A SINNER?

While islam preach and propagate the sinlessness of man from birth, and attributing sin to whoever has done it alone, the religion of Christianity condemn all mankind as sinners-a perpetual sinners indeed who must inherit the original sin.
The muslim’s Holy Quran records only the doing of sin to the doer of sin in:

Quran 74v38: every soul will be held in pledge for (all) its deed
Quran 17v15: whosoever choose to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good, and whoever goes astray, did to his own hurt, and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. Wherever, we would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) until we have sent an apostle to give warning.
Quran 4v111: and if one sins, he earns it against his soul for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

On the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows:
Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The sinfulness of man is thus made manifested in these verses and some unmentioned one. This doctrine is not accidental. The sinfulness of man, according to the bible, is that man is a perpetual sinner, born into sin, reared and nurtured as a sinner because in
Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

It therefore implies that, as long as man continue to be someone born of a woman, he cannot be clean! Even if he does all kind of righteous deeds until his death, he will remain unclean. This will also be applicable even if he accepted Jesus as his saviour! Why? Cos he would remain someone born of a woman and even though he became born again! The reason is not far-fetched, the bible says in:

Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

This inherited sinfulness of man was nurtured from the idea that Adam’s sin was later inherited by all men in:
Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

IF U WONT AGREE WITH THESE, THEN WHICH SIN DID JESUS CAME TO DIE FOR? I BELIEVE IF U DO NOT THE ABOVE LISTED, U WILL UNDERSTAND THIS MY QUESTION.

thanks for the response bluenubuian. u see one thing i keep telling people is that, what do an individual stands to gain by deceiving people. accept it or leave it, the revelation given to the prophets as regards jesus, moses, abraham has most it expunged for words of men. the bible contain words of men, God and prophets. prove all things and hold fast which is truth. go through everything and check with ur bible. do not be deceived, ur life is precious. what do one gain from deceiving people, can God be author of confusion? no.

now, my other write ups are at nairaland with the following topics: was jesus sent to the whole world or muhammad and also did jesus died for our sins, what sins, bring ur proof. go through everything, am sure u will gain one or two things.

now to my brother Rhea, u were saying it wasnt contradictions, well the above seems too much, ve simplified it for easy reading,check these with your bible and give me ur answer.Please I want you all Christians at Nairaland to be honest and make reference where necessary.

In the holy Quran, Allah (STA) told us how to know His book. I.e. any Holy book that is free from discrepancies is his book. His book doesn’t contain any ambiguities. Allah told us that He is the one that sent the Holy Quran and will guide it from the enemies of Islam. He also said even if Human beings and Jinn work together, they cannot a Chapter like the Holy Quran.

Most christians believed that all holy books are being inspired so also the case of the bible. Inpired in the sense that it is being anchored by God through any of his servants. So, in a nutshell, if the bible is from God, there shouldn’t be any contradictions in it as promised by God in the Holy Quran in how to know His book (it mustn’t contain discrepancies). If the bible is being inspired, they should have written same things having been guided by God.Based on these, u will know that bible authors were not there when incidents happened, they copied each other. We shall see that later in my coming write ups.

So I ask my question again. To Christians for example, u preached to someone to accept your religion ands become a Christian, the person agreed. But when the person was going through his bible, he came across these discrepancies. He was confused and came to you for explanation. How will you bail him out based on the below and please I need an answer or explanation for every numbered discrepancies herein listed below:



CONTRADICTIONS

1. The Genealogy of Joseph or Jesus? (Compare Mathew and Luke. Mathew has 28 while Luke has 42 different names) which should we accept? Explain please
Mathew 1v18 Luke 3v23
S/No
1 David David
2 Solomon Solomon
3 rehoboam Mattatha
4 Abijah menna
5 Asa Melera
6 Jehosaphat Eliakim
7 Joram Jonam
8 Uzziah Joseph
9 Jotham Juda
10 Ahaz Simeon
11 Hezekiah Levi
12 Manasseh Matthat
13 Amos Jorim
14 Josiah Eliezer
15 Jechoniah Joshua
16 Altiel Er
17 Zerubbabel Elmadam
18 Abiud Cosam
19 Eliakim Addi
20 Azor Melchi
22 Zadok Neri
23 Achim Shealtiel
24 Eliud Zerubbabel
25 Eleazar Rhesa
26 Matthan Joanan
27 Jacob Joda
28 Josech Josech
29 jesus Semein
30 Matathias
31 Maati
31 Naggai
33 Esli
34 Nahuro
35 Amos
36 Mattathias
37 Joseph
38 Jannai
39 Melchi
40 Levi
41 Matthat
42 Heli
43 Joseph
44 jesus

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIST

2 CONTRADICTORY NAMES OF JESUS DISCIPLES

S/NO MATHEW 10V2 & MARK 3V16 LUKE 6V4

1 Simon the cananaan Simon called Peter
2 Simon called Peter Andrew hi brother
3 Andrew James son of Zabadee
4 James son of Zabadee John his brother
5 John Philip
6 Philip Bartholomew
7 Bartholomew Mathew the tax collector
8 Mathew Thomas
9 Thomas James son of Alphaus
10 James son of Thadaeus Simon the zealot
11 Lebaous called Thadaeus Judas the son of James
12 Judas the Iscariot Judas the Iscariot

NOTE: MATHEW & MARK ADD: LEBAOUS & SIMON THE CANANNAN BUT OMIT SIMEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES WHILE LUKE ADDS SIMOEON THE ZEALOT AND JUDAH BROTHER OF JAMES AND OMIT LABAOUS & SIMEON CANANNAN.

SO PLS EXPLAIN WHY DIFFERENT NAMES.

3. WHO’S SON IS JOSEPH?

Mathew 1v16: joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3v23: Joseph the carpenter is the son of Heli.

QUESTION, WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

4. HOW MANY DID JESUS APPEARED TO?

Ist Corinthians 15v5: Jesus appeared to the twelve (12) disciples after he rose
Mathew 28v16: Jesus appeared to eleven (11) disciples before he rose.

QUESTION: HOW MANY DID HE APPREAD TO/ EXPLAIN THE CHANGE PLS

5. IS JESUS RECORD/WITNESS TRUE OR NOT TRUE?

john 8v4: if I bear record of myself, yet my record is true
john 5v31: if I bear rwitness of myself, my witness is not true

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE OF THE TWO

6. WHEN DID THE STORY OF THE FISHERMEN HAPPENED?

Luke 5v1: the story of the fishermen happened at the beginning of Jesus’ mission (see also Mathew 4v18).
John 21v1: the story of the fishermen happened after jesus was resurrected from the dead.

QUESTION: SO WHICH DO WE CHOOSE AND WHY?

7. WHEN DID JESUS PURIFIED THE TEMPLE?

Mathew 21v18: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree tree which he cursed.
Mark 11v12: Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree.

QUESTION: SO WHEH DID HE PURIFIED?

8. WHO PROVOKED DAVID: SATAN OR GOD?

2nd Samuel 24v1: God provoked david against Israel and said go and number them
1st chronicles 21v1: satan provoked david against Israel and orderd him to go and number Israel.

QUESTION: WHO PROVOKED WHO?

9. HOW MANY CHARIOTS DID DAVID SLEW?

2nd Samuel 10v18: david slew 700 chariots of the Syrians
1st Chronicles 19v18: david slew 7000 chariots of the Syrians.

QUESTION: SO MANY DID HE ACTUALLY SLEW?

10. WHEN DID CRUCIFIXTION TOOK PLACE?

Mark 15v25: it was the third (3rd) hour and they crucified him
John 19v14: : it was the sixth (6th ) hour and he was not crucified him.

QUESTION:WHEN WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED?

11. WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS?

Mathew 27v32: they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus (see also Luke 23v26, mark 15v21)
John 19v17: jesus was bear his cross alone.

QUESTION: WHO CARRIED THE CROSS?”

12. WHAT DID THEY GIVE JESUS TO DRINK?

Mark 15v23: they gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.
Mathew 27 v34: they gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.

QUESTION; WHAT DID HE DRINK?

13. HOW MANY THIEVES INSULTED HIM/

Mathew 27v44: the two thieves who were crucified with him were insulting him
Luke 23v39: one of the thieves was reviling jesus and the other rebuked him (the other0 saying do you not fear God?

QUESTION: HOW MANY INSULTED JESUS?

14. NO ONE MAN HAS SEEN GOD

1st john 4v12: no man has ever seen God.
Gen 32v23: so Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying “for I have seen God face to face”.
Exodus 33v11: thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face.

QUESTION; HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD OR IS MOSES EXCLUDED FROM BEING A MAN?

15. HAS ANYONE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN?

John 3v13: no one has ascended to heaven
kings 2v11: Elijah went up by a whirl wind into heaven
2nd chorinthians 12v2-3: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heavens.
Hebrew 11v5: by faith Enoch (Idris) was taken up to heaven alive and not back on earth.

QUESTION; SO WHICH SIDE ARE YOU?

16. IS IT WHEN THERE IS NO LAW THERE IS NO SIN OR VICE VERSA?
Roman 4v15: where thee is no law there is no transgression
Roman 2v12: all who have sinned without law will also perish.

QUESTION: SO WHICH IS RIGHT?

17. WILL THE FATHER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SON’S SINS?

Deutronomy 24v16: the fathers shall not be put to death for the children ………,
Ezekiel 18v20: …………nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……
Isaiah 14v21: prepare slaughter for his sons because the guilt of their fathers.

QUESTION: SO WHICH ONE DO WE ACCEPT?

18. IS ADULTERY ALLOWED?

Exodus 20v14: you shall not commit adultery
Hosea 1v2: the Lord said to Hosea “ go take to yourself a wife of harlotry.
Hosea 3v1: and the lord said to me, “go again, love a woman who is beloved of a paramour and is an adulteress.

QUESTION: WHICH OF THE ABOVE IS CORRECT WITH EXPLANATION PLS.

19. THE RIGHTEOUS DOES NOT FALL ILLS OR DO NOT?

Proverb 12v21: no ills befalls the righteous
Proverb 24 v16: for a righteous man falls seven times.

QUESTION; SO WHICH OF THE TWO IS CORRECT?

20. IS MAN MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE OR NON COMPARED OR LIKEN TO GOD?

Genesis 1v26-27: God said, let us make man in our own image.
Isaiah 46v5: to whom will you liken me and make me equal and compare me, that we may be alike.

QUESTION: PLS EXPLAIN.

FALSE CHARGES AGAINST JESUS “CONTRADICTIONS”

21. MUST WE STEAL OR NOT?

Exodus 20v15: you shall not steal
Mathew 12v1-4:, Luke 19v29-35: jesus disciples steal grains and jesus said David did so (steal).

QUESTION; IS STEALING ALLOWED?

22. CAN JESUS JUDGE?

John 5v22: the father judges no one, but has given all judgments to the son (jesus)
Psalm 50v6: the heavens declare his righteousness for God himself is judge.
Also check luke 12v4, john 12v47, john 8v15 are saying same thing.

QUESTION: IS JESUS OR GOD JUDGE?

23. CAN JESUS ASSURES SOMEONE HEAVEN?

John 14v3: when I go and prepare a place for you (heaven)
Mathew 20v20-23: to sit at my right hand and my left is not mine to grant, but it’s for those whom it has been prepared by my father.
Also john 5v30, mark 10v35.

QUESTION: WHICH ONE OF THE TWO?

24. WAS JESUS GIVEN THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER (DAVID)

Luke 1v31-32: and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David (in Jerusalem)
John 18v36: my kingship is not of this world.

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT?

25. DID JESUS ANSWER ALL PILATE’S QUESTIONS?

John 18v33-37: jesus gave answers to all the posers pilate put to him.
Mathew 27v13-14: , he gave him (pilate) no answer, not even to a single charge.

QUESTION: SO DID JESUS ANSWER OR NOT, EXPLAIN THE PASSAGE PLS.

26. WHAT DID JUDAS DO WITH THE MONEY GIVEN TO HIM?

Mathew 27v5-8: ……and throw down the money the pieces of selves in the temple…….
Acts 1v16-18: …, and he was allotted his sharing in his ministry. Judas bought a field with blood money written, (cursed everyone hanged on a tree).

QUESTION ; SO WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE MONEY?

27. DID THOSE THAT SAW JESUS TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING?

Mark 16v8: they said nothing to anyone, as they were afraid.
Luke 24v8-9: they told all this to the eleven. And they remembered his words.

28. DID THEY HOLD JESUS OR NOT?

Mathew 28v1-9: …. Come up and took hold of his feet and worship him.
John 20v16-17: jesus said to her, ‘ do not hold me?

QUESTION: WHICH DO WE ACCEPT.

Based on all these, I believe a sincere Christian will know and believe that the bible is riddled with contradictions. This goes a long way to say that, the book given to jesus (Torah) is not in existence. Most of the teachings has been expunged and tailored to suit jewish teachings. Also out of all the books of the new testament,paul after deceiving people of seeing God wrote like 27 books. He was against jesus jesus teachings and never saw jesus during his time, it was only Barnabas, who witnessed jesus teachings but his book was not included in the bible today cos it told truth about jesus (sonship, blood atonement etc)(get a copy of the gospel of barnabas and read, very important). Also there are other books that were not included in the bible.

Based on the above, I want an honest Christian to do justice to all the numbered questions above.

Also watch out for the origin of bible, sonship of God, cruxifiction, who is paul etc

bluenubian, no honest christians will be able to answer ur questions. i still have more and will post to you soon. the bible is riddled with many incosistencies. i tot it was inspired by the authors, no wasy. this goes tro show that it was writtren by men and they were not there to witness when jesus was alive. my sister it is better u accept the truth. the latest writers write the bible to suite their taste having expunged most of jesus teachings.

read my write ups on did jesus die for our sins, what sins and also was jesus sent to trhe whole world and also watch out for my other write ups on who is paul, is bible God's words, crucifixtion, sons of God, who wrote the old te4stament, who wrote mathew, mark, luke and john, etc

It is not my fault if you can not understand what you read. However, above is the quote by babs747 that started this whole discussion. You will notice he says the religion of christianity and not catholism teaches about people inheriting an original sin. The final authority over Christians is the Bible and until you can show the quote and the doctrine form the Bible, you have only wasted your time and that of others on a baseless statement.

I can say with all certainty that you do not know what you are talking about. You may keep quiet for all you want, that is better than opening your mouth in ignorance and propagating lies that have no basis. For as long as you maintain this stand and try to teach people to believe the Bible says what it does not say, then I will ever be here to antagonise you. That is a Promise!

tayoD, U R trying to play smart. are u still accsuibng me of not providing evidence as par the original or inherited sin? did u read my write ups at all/ i doubt if u do cos everythjing is there. why not try toi be honest and let others that are in the dark vlike you see the truth and the light.

are u trying to say there is no issue of inherited sin in the bible as laid or said by paul or u want me to resend to you aagain, i am very sure,. u r just trying to waste olabowale's time3 having seen the truth.

also did u see contr5adictions in thge bible u asked of?

and now to tayoD, have a look at this and tell what is happening. for example, u preached to someone to accept your religion and the person agreed. but when the person was going thru the bible, he came across the following problems. now, as an honest and a good christian, how will you explain the below issues to him in order to bail him out. please make reference to your bible if need be.

remeber ISLAM IS THE TRUTH.

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

MORE ARE STILL COMING BUT ANSWER THESE FIRST. LETS ASSUME THAT UVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO JUSTICE TO THE ISSUE OF THE ORIGINAL SIN AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

owo, u lack manners. u just open ur mouth and be talking rudelessly to anybody. now uve failed in aswering my questions, why beating about the bush.

and to you tayoD, watch out for my contradictions in the bible? but want you to answer my questions before going or diverting to another issue or topic.

tayoD. whycant u be sincere.do u call picktall quran and others contradictions. not at all cos they r saying same thing but phrase or language used maybe different. but what of bible in which a verse may say two people were there and another saying four people. what do u call that? are u claiming there are no discrepancies inthe bible. well, watch out for my other write ups. let me hear from you

salam to my muslim brothers and sisters in Nairaland. and may continue to guide usand increase our knowledge.(AMIN), and also happy preparation for RAMADHAN, MAY it meet us in good health and sound of mind.

now to owo, its quite unfortunate andalsoobvious that uve been unable to answer the questions iasked. i didnt ask u about paul. usawall iasked you. be sincere with yourself, read it over again and answer those questions at the tail end.

also tayoD, r u trying to say there are no contradictions in the bible. and if they are what will you do, will you accept islam and shun falsehood. truth stands fromfalsehood.

watch our for my other write ups.

now to owo and tayoD, these are the questions again, happy reading and also be sincere and honest with yourselves

[b]NOW CHRISTIANS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. Can a man allow himself to face firing squad for a sin he has never committed?

3. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.

4. By raising the notion that men are born sinners, Christianity as a religion has made mockery of God’s love, forgiving capacity, forbearance in accepting our repentance and all out-let for the redemption of mankind through his mercy.

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of Jesus at the end of the world to die for the sins of men is equally stupefying.

6. If we could think over this statement very well, one could ask the protagonist of this doctrine, which kind of God is that who, because of a sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they never participated in nor knowing anything about?

7. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?

It is either we accept this original sin as truth and agreed that bible is telling lie or agree with us that none inherited any sins so that bible would be free from fault.

DID JESUS DIE FOR OUR SIN?

WAS MAN BORN A SINNER?

Salam to my muslim brothers and sisters . May Almighty Allah continue to guide us in Islam as we spread the true message and the truth which is Islam and may HE never put any burden that will be too much for our faith.

While islam preach and propagate the sinlessness of man from birth, and attributing sin to whoever has done it alone, the religion of Christianity condemn all mankind as sinners-a perpetual sinners indeed who must inherit the original sin.
The muslim’s Holy Quran records only the doing of sin to the doer of sin in:
Quran 74v38: every soul will be held in pledge for (all) its deed
Quran 17v15: whosoever choose to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good, and whoever goes astray, did to his own hurt, and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. Wherever, we would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) until we have sent an apostle to give warning.
Quran 4v111: and if one sins, he earns it against his soul for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

On the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows:
Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The sinfulness of man is thus made manifested in these verses and some unmentioned one. This doctrine is not accidental. The sinfulness of man, according to the bible, is that man is a perpetual sinner, born into sin, reared and nurtured as a sinner because in
Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

It therefore implies that, as long as man continue to be someone born of a woman, he cannot be clean! Even if he does all kind of righteous deeds until his death, he will remain unclean. This will also be applicable even if he accepted Jesus as his saviour! Why? Cos he would remain someone born of a woman and even though he became born again! The reason is not far-fetched, the bible says in:

Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

This inherited sinfulness of man was nurtured from the idea that Adam’s sin was later inherited by all men in:
Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

The doctrine of man’s inherited sinfulness can be said, without slightest doubt, a doctrine never preached by the earlier biblical prophet but an idea of some later biblical characters (eg Paul). They at the same time, contradicted themselves on what they have raised somewhere else in the same bible. The two following quotations will easily disprove that, men are sinners or that man inherited sin from his parent.
Ezekiel 18v20: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son, the righteous shall be upon himself. OR
Romans 14v12: so then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
It therefore implies that the idea “none is righteous no, not one (Roman 3v9-12) is a fabrication, a naked fantastic lies, that is propagated with ignorance and fantasy. The following passages shows that some people are righteous and never born with any inheritable sin.
Mark 6v20: herod feared John knowing that he was a righteous and holy man.
Daniel 6v4: Daniel was faithful, no error or fault was found on him.
Luke 1v16: Zechariah and his wife were both righteous.
1st Samuel 12v3-5: Samuel never oppressed…he is free from all faults.
Mathew 1v19: Joseph was a just man
Luke 2v25: simeon was devout and righteous one etc

If we hold the word “how then can men be righteous before God? How can one who is born of a woman be clean (job 25v4) etc, to be true, then the passage will create more problem, because one Jesus is born from a woman, then Jesus could not be clean either judging from that assertion.

Two, if Jesus is born by a woman, then he would be said to have inherited the original sin from his mother.

Three, if the word “ all have sinned” be taken to its full length, Jesus would be included among the “all” because he is born of a woman.

However, in all manner of consideration, if the original sin is inherited and children are born into sin, Jesus would not have awarded “innocence” and “pure” state to them, neither would he have said in,

Mathew 18v3: and said, verily I say unto you, except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdon of heaven. OR
Mark 10v15: verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter heaven.

If all of us are born sinner because of Adam’s sin, then it portrayed God as one inflicting the punishment of a criminal to one who is not. This is equal to injustice. But our God is not unjust as in

Deuteronomy 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither the children be put to death for the father’s, every man shall be put to death for his own sin. OR

1st Corinthians 3v8: how he that planted and he that watered are one, and every man shall receive his own reward according to his labour.

However, this doctrine of Blood Atonement created by the church, three to four centuries after Jesus left the earth contradicts the bible as in the above passages.

NOW CHRISTIANS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. Can a man allow himself to face firing squad for a sin he has never committed?

3. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.

4. By raising the notion that men are born sinners, Christianity as a religion has made mockery of God’s love, forgiving capacity, forbearance in accepting our repentance and all out-let for the redemption of mankind through his mercy.

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of Jesus at the end of the world to die for the sins of men is equally stupefying.

6. If we could think over this statement very well, one could ask the protagonist of this doctrine, which kind of God is that who, because of a sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they never participated in nor knowing anything about?

7. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?

It is either we accept this original sin as truth and agreed that bible is telling lie or agree with us that none inherited any sins so that bible would be free from fault.

PROOF OF THIS ASSERTION

Some of those that wrote the bible made us conclude on the notion that Christ actually died for the sin of mankind. The few quotation that they base their arguments and proof on are listed below:
1st John 4v10, 1st john 1v7, john 1v29, roman 5v8, 1st peter 3v18 etc.

all the chapters and verses above came from the bible writers and we cannot conclude on wht the writer wrote alone because jesus said in
Mathew 10v24: the disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

The Christian protagonist says “ jesus died for our sins” but we ask, which sin? He replied , “Adam and Eve committed a mortal sin, and God’s anger was kindled agains them. And unless, Jesus should die for that sin by his own blood sacrifice on the cross, the sin cannot be forgiven!

Now consider the word carefully< somebody who is just is made to die for the unjust. What kind of injustice is that? One would start to ask. Supposing it is true that jesus die for the sin of mankind,

8. Why did God not send him immediately after the sin of Adam was committed?
9. for what purpose did he intend to delay the crucifixion till some thousand years after the event?
10. however, if jesus actually came to die for our sins and that salvation only lies in his blood sacrifice, why did he preach repentance in Mathew 4v17: repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
11. if all person are under the stain of original sin as the Christian protagonist asserts, children are exempted by jesus because they are pure and inherited nothing as in Mathew 18v3-6; verily I say unto you, except ye be converted as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of God……, also in mark 10v14-15: ………. Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God

if any one born of a woman cannot be clean (job 15v4) and that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (roman 3v27) or that “none is righteous” (roman 3v10), but if jesus was born by mary and if Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became transgressor (1st timothy 2v14) then mary would be said to be unclean, unrighteous and have inherited the original sin from his predecessor and at last it would have been said that she would have be said to have transmitted the sin to jesus! So it is either there is no inherited sin or that jesus also inherited sin since he was born of a woman.

12. To put the argument further, is there in any old prophesies the idea of inherited sin or where it was mentioned that jesus will come and die for sin or where jesus mention in his ministry that in respect of the sin of Adam and Eve, had come to rid the earth of its nuisance and has eventually come to die for that sin.
13. the Christian also proof that jesus is Gid, we will ask, does God punish himself before he can forgive a sin done against him?
14. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were severely put under curse, the bible when quoting the judgment of God passed on Adam and Eve respectively goes as follows:
Genesis 3v14-19: and the lord said unto the serpent, because thou had done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shall thou go and dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life………and unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, and to Adam he said, because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground because of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall the plant of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground………
Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain please.
14. if Jesus himself had the notion of dying for the sin of man, why did he plead this way to God as in Mathew 26v38-39:…, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death……….father, if it be possible, let this cup (death pass from me)?
15. if jesus came to die, why is he afraid of death as in john 11v53-54: then from that day forth, they took counsel together for to put him (jesus0 to death. Jesus thereafter walked no more openly among the jews…….
16. if he had prepared to die for the sins of man, why was Judas Iscariot named traitor?
17. why do we accuse pilate as the announcer of his sentence?
18. why do we accuse jews for handling him to do what he has come to do(death)?

Here is an elucidation, Adam and Eve committed sin, their grandson who is not aware of the sin was castigated despite the scripture advise in Deut 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the sin of their fathers……, also in 2nd Chronicles 25v4: the father shall not be put to death for the children, or the children for the father……… also in Jeremiah 31v29-30: …………….everyone shall die for his own sin . see also Ezekiel 18v20-22: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not die for the iniquity of the father nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……………,

The above goes with illustration that:

19. if somebody has malaria and some treatment was prescribed, can the father take the treatment on behalf of the sick child?
20. or can a pastor be allowed to face a firing squad or be executed instead of a gangster of notorious armed robbers who actually committed the crime?[/b]

salam to muslims and muslimah in this room especially to my brother in the like of olabowale and also my sister firdaus4us and also to those that i didnt mention their names. may Almighty continue to guide us and increase our knowledge, wisdom and understanding of islam.

also congrats and alhamdulilah to my brother that has just seen the truth and accepted the truth which is islam. am referring to my brother Kama-c with the email oussee_b@yahoo.com. ve mailed you. once again, i welcome you to the light. islam is a religion distinct from others which are manmade.

now to owo, its quite unfortunate that after seeing all i sent, u failed to address the questions but resorted to beating about the bush. as my brother olabowale said, bring your proof if you are truthful. pls dont bring anything said by paul cos he's the one that caused the problem christians are facing today. also dont bring hearsay but bring what jesus said himself.

also am still expecting m4mailk to defend those questions with proof from the bible.

ISLAM IS THE LIGHT, ACCEPT ISLAM TODAY, TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE


WATCH OUT FOR THE ORIGIN OF SIN, SON OF GOD, CRUCIFIXION, CONTRADICTIONS, WHO WROTE OLD TESTAMENT, WHO IS PAUL, WHO WROTE THE FOUR BOOKS, MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN, IS JESUS GOD, TRINITY ETC)

DID JESUS DIE FOR OUR SIN?

WAS MAN BORN A SINNER?

Salam to my muslim brothers and sisters . May Almighty Allah continue to guide us in Islam as we spread the true message and the truth which is Islam and may HE never put any burden that will be too much for our faith.

While islam preach and propagate the sinlessness of man from birth, and attributing sin to whoever has done it alone, the religion of Christianity condemn all mankind as sinners-a perpetual sinners indeed who must inherit the original sin.
The muslim’s Holy Quran records only the doing of sin to the doer of sin in:
Quran 74v38: every soul will be held in pledge for (all) its deed
Quran 17v15: whosoever choose to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good, and whoever goes astray, did to his own hurt, and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. Wherever, we would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) until we have sent an apostle to give warning.
Quran 4v111: and if one sins, he earns it against his soul for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

On the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows:
Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The sinfulness of man is thus made manifested in these verses and some unmentioned one. This doctrine is not accidental. The sinfulness of man, according to the bible, is that man is a perpetual sinner, born into sin, reared and nurtured as a sinner because in
Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

It therefore implies that, as long as man continue to be someone born of a woman, he cannot be clean! Even if he does all kind of righteous deeds until his death, he will remain unclean. This will also be applicable even if he accepted Jesus as his saviour! Why? Cos he would remain someone born of a woman and even though he became born again! The reason is not far-fetched, the bible says in:

Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

This inherited sinfulness of man was nurtured from the idea that Adam’s sin was later inherited by all men in:
Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

[b]The doctrine of man’s inherited sinfulness can be said, without slightest doubt, a doctrine never preached by the earlier biblical prophet but an idea of some later biblical characters (eg Paul). They at the same time, contradicted themselves on what they have raised somewhere else in the same bible. The two following quotations will easily disprove that, men are sinners or that man inherited sin from his parent.
Ezekiel 18v20: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son, the righteous shall be upon himself. OR
Romans 14v12: so then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
It therefore implies that the idea “none is righteous no, not one (Roman 3v9-12) is a fabrication, a naked fantastic lies, that is propagated with ignorance and fantasy. The following passages shows that some people are righteous and never born with any inheritable sin.
Mark 6v20: herod feared John knowing that he was a righteous and holy man.
Daniel 6v4: Daniel was faithful, no error or fault was found on him.
Luke 1v16: Zechariah and his wife were both righteous.
1st Samuel 12v3-5: Samuel never oppressed…he is free from all faults.
Mathew 1v19: Joseph was a just man
Luke 2v25: simeon was devout and righteous one etc[/b]

If we hold the word “how then can men be righteous before God? How can one who is born of a woman be clean (job 25v4) etc, to be true, then the passage will create more problem, cos one Jesus is born from a woman, then Jesus could not be clean either judging from that assertion.

Two, if Jesus is born by a woman, then he would be said to have inherited the original sin from his mother.

Three, if the word “ all have sinned” be taken to its full length, Jesus would be included among the “all” cos he is born of a woman.

However, in all manner of consideration, if the original sin is inherited and children are born into sin, Jesus would not have awarded “innocence” and “pure” state to them, neither would he have said in,

Mathew 18v3: and said, verily I say unto you, except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdon of heaven. OR
Mark 10v15: verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter heaven.

If all of us are born sinner because of Adam’s sin, then it portrayed God as one inflicting the punishment of a criminal to one who is not. This is equal to injustice. But our God is not unjust as in

Deuteronomy 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither the children be put to death for the father’s, every man shall be put to death for his own sin. OR

1st Corinthians 3v8: how he that planted and he that watered are one, and every man shall receive his own reward according to his labour.

However, this doctrine of Blood Atonement created by the church, three to four centuries after Jesus left the earth contradicts the bible as in the above passages.

NOW CHRISTIANS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. Can a man allow himself to face firing squad for a sin he has never committed?

3. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.

4. By raising the notion that men are born sinners, Christianity as a religion has made mockery of God’s love, forgiving capacity, forbearance in accepting our repentance and all out-let for the redemption of mankind through his mercy.

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of Jesus at the end of the world to die for the sins of men is equally stupefying.

6. If we could think over this statement very well, one could ask the protagonist of this doctrine, which kind of God is that who, cos of a sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they never participated in nor knowing anything about?

7. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?

It is either we accept this original sin as truth and agreed that bible is telling lie or agree with us that none inherited any sins so that bible would be free from fault.

PROOF OF THIS ASSERTION

Some of those that wrote the bible made us conclude on the notion that Christ actually died for the sin of mankind. The few quotation that they base their arguments and proof on are listed below:
1st John 4v10, 1st john 1v7, john 1v29, roman 5v8, 1st peter 3v18 etc.

all the chapters and verses above came from the bible writers and we cannot conclude on wht the writer wrote alone cos jesus said in
Mathew 10v24: the disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

The Christian protagonist says “ jesus died for our sins” but we ask, which sin? He replied , “Adam and Eve committed a mortal sin, and God’s anger was kindled agains them. And unless, Jesus should die for that sin by his own blood sacrifice on the cross, the sin cannot be forgiven!

Now consider the word carefully< somebody who is just is made to die for the unjust. What kind of injustice is that? One would start to ask. Supposing it is true that jesus die for the sin of mankind,

[b]1. Why did God not send him immediately after the sin of Adam was committed?
2. for what purpose did he intend to delay the crucifixion till some thousand years after the event?
3. however, if jesus actually came to die for our sins and that salvation only lies in his blood sacrifice, why did he preach repentance in Mathew 4v17: repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
4. if all person are under the stain of original sin as the Christian protagonist asserts, children are exempted by jesus because they are pure and inherited nothing as in Mathew 18v3-6; verily I say unto you, except ye be converted as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of God……, also in mark 10v14-15: ………. Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God

if any one born of a woman cannot be clean (job 15v4) and that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (roman 3v27) or that “none is righteous” (roman 3v10), but if jesus was born by mary and if Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became transgressor (1st timothy 2v14) then mary would be said to be unclean, unrighteous and have inherited the original sin from his predecessor and at last it would have been said that she would have be said to have transmitted the sin to jesus! So it is either there is no inherited sin or that jesus also inherited sin since he was born of a woman.

1. To put the argument further, is there in any old prophesies the idea of inherited sin or where it was mentioned that jesus will come and die for sin or where jesus mention in his ministry that in respect of the sin of Adam and Eve, had come to rid the earth of its nuisance and has eventually come to die for that sin.
2. the Christian also proof that jesus is Gid, we will ask, does God punish himself before he can forgive a sin done against him?
3. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were severely put under curse, the bible when quoting the judgment of God passed on Adam and Eve respectively goes as follows:
Genesis 3v14-19: and the lord said unto the serpent, because thou had done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shall thou go and dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life………and unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, and to Adam he said, because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground cuz of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall the plant of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground………
Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls.
4. if Jesus himself had the notion of dying for the sin of man, why did he plead this way to God as in Mathew 26v38-39:…, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death……….father, if it be possible, let this cup (death pass from me)?
5. if jesus came to die, why is he afraid of death as in john 11v53-54: then from that day forth, they took counsel together for to put him (jesus0 to death. Jesus thereafter walked no more openly among the jews…….
6. if he had prepared to die for the sins of man, why was Judas Iscariot named traitor?
7. why do we accuse pilate as the announcer of his sentence?
8. why do we accuse jews for handling him to do what he has come to do(death)?

Here is an elucidation, Adam and Eve committed sin, their grandson who is not aware of the sin was castigated despite the scripture advise in Deut 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the sin of their fathers……, also in 2nd Chronicles 25v4: the father shall not be put to death for the children, or the children for the father……… also in Jeremiah 31v29-30: …………….everyone shall die for his own sin . see also Ezekiel 18v20-22: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not die for the iniquity of the father nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……………, [/b]

The above goes with illustration that:

9. if somebody has malaria and some treatment was prescribed, can the father take the treatment on behalf of the sick child?
10. or can a pastor be allowed to face a firing squad or be executed instead of a gangster of notorious armed robbers who actually committed the crime?

WAY OUT (watch out for the origin of sin, son of God, crucifixion, contradictions, who wrote old testament, who is paul, who wrote the four books, Mathew, mark, Luke and john etc)

Based on the above, God does not need any blood sacrifice before he can forgive sins of man as in
Hosea 6v6:for I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice…,
Isaiah 55v7: let the wicked forsake his way…,
2nd chronicles 7v14: if my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face ad turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and I will forgive their sins.

Here there is no place where there is mentioned of blood sacrifice , God desired mercy but was input by Pauline Christianity (read gospel of barnabas, he saw jesus during his lifetime), unlike paul that didn’t see jesus but act contrary to his teaching. (coming soon). Jesus did not even mention any blood anywhere but also this paul who lied that he saw Jesus! Jesus during his lifetime preached oneness of God and how merciful and forgiven God is if only u can do away with your sin and not blood anywhere.Also see the Quran
Quran 39v53-54: say o my servants who have sinned against their souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins, verily, He is most forgiving, most merciful and turn to your Lord and submit yourselves to him before there comes unto you the punishment, for then you shall not be helped and follow the best teaching that has been revealed to you from your Lord, before the punishment comes upon you suddenly when you perceive not.
Note; he forgives all sins except polytheists like Christians, three in one God 1+1+1=3

Please answer all the questions correctly and no use of vulgar language please. Know the truth and it shall set you free. Islam is the only religion that will be accepted. All other religions are named after their founders meaning its manmade, but islam stands out. Be wise today, accept islam. Even Jesus was a muslim and so also his disciples. So also Adam, Noah, Abraham, jesus and the zeal of them all Mohammed (SAW). Christians pls have a look at it, is it possible for God to send prophets with different religions? And he is not of confusion as in the book of Isaiah
[b]Quran 2v136: say (o muslims) we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Yaqub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons of Yaqub (Jacob) and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus) and that which has been given to the prophets frm their Lord, we make no distinction between any of them and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).
Quran 2v140; or you say that Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Yaqub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons of Yaqub (Jacob) were jews or Christians? Say, ‘Do you know better or Allah does (know better … that they all were muslims) and who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony (to believe in prophet Muhammad (saw) when he comes as t is written in their books (the scriptures), he has from Allah? And He is not unaware of what you do.
Quran 3v19: truly the religion with Allah is islam. Those who were given the scripture (jews and Christians) did not differ except ought of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) of Allah, then surely, Allah is swift in calling to account.
Quran 3v70: o people of the scripture (jews and Christians), why do you disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah (the verses about Muhammad (saw), present in the Taurat (taorah) and the Injeel (Gospel) while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)
Quran 3v71: o people of the scripture, why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know.
Quran 2v23: and if you (arab pagans, jews, Christians) are in doubt concerning that whch we have sent down (the Holy Quran) to our slave Muhammad (saw), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witness (supporters and helpers) besides Allah if you are truthful.
Quran 2v109: many of the people of the scripture (jews and Christians) wish that they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even after the truth (that Muhammad saw is Alah’s messenger) has become manifest uto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His command. Verily Allah is able to do all things.[/b]

Also which church did jesus belong to during his time, is it the catholic that worship Mary and also have fathers and mothers. Is there any place that God says you should not marry but this was laid by paul when they went to meet him in the book of Corinthians (2nd) an he advised that it will be better for them to remain like him. Now how will it looks like if everybody becomes father and mother. Or does he belongs to the white garments, one C & S that wears shoes and the other Celestials that doesn’t. or the deeper life that their pastor compels them to be using King james vesion cos he contains some things not in other bibles like the raptures. Or the Oyakhilomes and Synoagogue blinding people with so called miracles. Hey see a scenario, I attended Christ embassy (oyakhilome) church when I haven’t seen the light. When it was time for miracle, he brought two men, one blind from birth, the other deaf and dumb from birth. He then healed the two, the first (blind) was afterwards shown different colours and funny enough, he knew red colour from white, black from green. Now how did a blind knew what red, green, white, brown etc clour. How was he able to differentiate? Also the second deaf and dumb was shown fingers and at the raising of each fingers for counting, he counted one , two, three up to five. Now can any sincere Christian tell me, who teached him the alphabets or was it the holy spirit! (God forbid).
Also have u notice that at the same Christ embassy, nearly all of them speak in tongue, even the robbers, fonicators, etc.

Also why do we have many versions of bible in which for more than 1400 years, its still the same.

I remembered when God used me to touch the live of a man and he reverted back to islam, having explained everything to him, there was a particular verse from the Holy Quran that Allah used for him and I believe if you read it and you are sincere with yourself, you will surely learn from it except those destined to be in hell or if u don’t now the religion to go for. The verse is
Quran 30v30: so set your face towards the religion (of pure Islamic monotheism) with which he has created mankind. No change, that is the straight religion. But most men do not know.

The above verse means that if you are in doubt of the true religion, seek for the religion that it has never seen changes and is in line with the creation of living things. For example, the dog we have in Africa has four legs like the one in Europe or Asia, the donkey has the same feautures all over the world. Also human have the same creation irrespective of the colour height skin etc. so any religion that is like that in which they have everything in common is the religion of God. The reason for being the right religion and religion of nature is that despite your colour, race, tribe, muslim is a muslim, we are being binded by the articles of faith (5), we recited the same surahs and pray the same number of rakats for the same time of prayer. We face the same direction, we fast the same month, etc. now does this applies to Christianity and what is that. (jesus’ blood sacrifice huh? Lol)
Now take this again, in Islam, we have five times compulsory daily prayers in which if you miss like the 2pm prayer, u wont be able to pray the one for 4pm, but u will first pray the one of 2pm before the 4pm, does this applies to Christians too?
Or service starts by 10pm and you came to church by 1pm, will you pay-back all the clappings, dancings you have missed? Will you ask those there that pls how many is the clap I missed and how many dance they have danced?

Truth stands clear from falsehood and no compulsion in religion. Also call people to the way of the lord with wisdom, knowledge and good preaching.

And it is not until you put the whole convincing things at the front of someone before he can accept the truth, it depends on those that God wants to cos the day he created hell, he vouched that he will put people there and also when he created heaven he vouched he will put people there. It will be wise for you today to join the religion of the wise and be at safe hands. Hell and heaven are real. Now let me ask you Christians, what does you have in common as in
1. Can a c & s worship with foursquare with his garment on/ buy in islam you can worship anywhere regardless of your society.
2. Why do some wear shoes to church as opposed to cherubim and seraphim (they have their proof as in the book of moses) where God commanded Moses to take off his shoes cos he’s on holy ground.
3. Why do we have king james version, holy bible, revised standard version, English version, the good news, etc and each contradicting each other.


WATCH OUT FOR THE ORIGIN OF SIN, SON OF GOD, CRUCIFIXION, CONTRADICTIONS, WHO WROTE OLD TESTAMENT, WHO IS PAUL, WHO WROTE THE FOUR BOOKS, MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN, IS JESUS GOD ETC)

So answer those questions one after the other which are copied here

[b]NOW CHRISTIANS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. Can a man allow himself to face firing squad for a sin he has never committed?

3. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.

4. By raising the notion that men are born sinners, Christianity as a religion has made mockery of God’s love, forgiving capacity, forbearance in accepting our repentance and all out-let for the redemption of mankind through his mercy.

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of Jesus at the end of the world to die for the sins of men is equally stupefying.

6. If we could think over this statement very well, one could ask the protagonist of this doctrine, which kind of God is that who, cos of a sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they never participated in nor knowing anything about?

8. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?

Now consider the word carefully< somebody who is just is made to die for the unjust. What kind of injustice is that? One would start to ask. Supposing it is true that jesus die for the sin of mankind,

5. Why did God not send him immediately after the sin of Adam was committed?
6. for what purpose did he intend to delay the crucifixion till some thousand years after the event?
7. however, if jesus actually came to die for our sins and that salvation only lies in his blood sacrifice, why did he preach repentance in Mathew 4v17: repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
8. if all person are under the stain of original sin as the Christian protagonist asserts, children are exempted by jesus because they are pure and inherited nothing as in Mathew 18v3-6; verily I say unto you, except ye be converted as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of God……, also in mark 10v14-15: ………. Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God

if any one born of a woman cannot be clean (job 15v4) and that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (roman 3v27) or that “none is righteous” (roman 3v10), but if jesus was born by mary and if Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became transgressor (1st timothy 2v14) then mary would be said to be unclean, unrighteous and have inherited the original sin from his predecessor and at last it would have been said that she would have be said to have transmitted the sin to jesus! So it is either there is no inherited sin or that jesus also inherited sin since he was born of a woman.

11. To put the argument further, is there in any old prophesies the idea of inherited sin or where it was mentioned that jesus will come and die for sin or where jesus mention in his ministry that in respect of the sin of Adam and Eve, had come to rid the earth of its nuisance and has eventually come to die for that sin.
12. the Christian also proof that jesus is Gid, we will ask, does God punish himself before he can forgive a sin done against him?
13. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were severely put under curse, the bible when quoting the judgment of God passed on Adam and Eve respectively goes as follows:
Genesis 3v14-19: and the lord said unto the serpent, because thou had done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shall thou go and dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life………and unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, and to Adam he said, because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground cuz of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall the plant of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground………
Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls.
14. if Jesus himself had the notion of dying for the sin of man, why did he plead this way to God as in Mathew 26v38-39:…, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death……….father, if it be possible, let this cup (death pass from me)?
15. if jesus came to die, why is he afraid of death as in john 11v53-54: then from that day forth, they took counsel together for to put him (jesus0 to death. Jesus thereafter walked no more openly among the jews…….
16. if he had prepared to die for the sins of man, why was Judas Iscariot named traitor?
17. why do we accuse pilate as the announcer of his sentence?
18. why do we accuse jews for handling him to do what he has come to do(death)?

Here is an elucidation, Adam and Eve committed sin, their grandson who is not aware of the sin was castigated despite the scripture advise in Deut 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the sin of their fathers……, also in 2nd Chronicles 25v4: the father shall not be put to death for the children, or the children for the father……… also in Jeremiah 31v29-30: …………….everyone shall die for his own sin . see also Ezekiel 18v20-22: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not die for the iniquity of the father nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……………,

The above goes with illustration that:

19. if somebody has malaria and some treatment was prescribed, can the father take the treatment on behalf of the sick child?
20. or can a pastor be allowed to face a firing squad or be executed instead of a gangster of notorious armed robbers who actually committed the crime?[/b]

DID JESUS DIE FOR OUR SIN?

WAS MAN BORN A SINNER?

Salam to my muslim brothers and sisters . May Almighty Allah continue to guide us in Islam as we spread the true message and the truth which is Islam and may HE never put any burden that will be too much for our faith.

While islam preach and propagate the sinlessness of man from birth, and attributing sin to whoever has done it alone, the religion of Christianity condemn all mankind as sinners-a perpetual sinners indeed who must inherit the original sin.
The muslim’s Holy Quran records only the doing of sin to the doer of sin in:
Quran 74v38: every soul will be held in pledge for (all) its deed
Quran 17v15: whosoever choose to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good, and whoever goes astray, did to his own hurt, and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. Wherever, we would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) until we have sent an apostle to give warning.
Quran 4v111: and if one sins, he earns it against his soul for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

On the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows:
Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The sinfulness of man is thus made manifested in these verses and some unmentioned one. This doctrine is not accidental. The sinfulness of man, according to the bible, is that man is a perpetual sinner, born into sin, reared and nurtured as a sinner because in
Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

It therefore implies that, as long as man continue to be someone born of a woman, he cannot be clean! Even if he does all kind of righteous deeds until his death, he will remain unclean. This will also be applicable even if he accepted Jesus as his saviour! Why? Cos he would remain someone born of a woman and even though he became born again! The reason is not far-fetched, the bible says in:

Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

This inherited sinfulness of man was nurtured from the idea that Adam’s sin was later inherited by all men in:
Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

The doctrine of man’s inherited sinfulness can be said, without slightest doubt, a doctrine never preached by the earlier biblical prophet but an idea of some later biblical characters (eg Paul). They at the same time, contradicted themselves on what they have raised somewhere else in the same bible. The two following quotations will easily disprove that, men are sinners or that man inherited sin from his parent.
Ezekiel 18v20: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son, the righteous shall be upon himself. OR
Romans 14v12: so then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
It therefore implies that the idea “none is righteous no, not one (Roman 3v9-12) is a fabrication, a naked fantastic lies, that is propagated with ignorance and fantasy. The following passages shows that some people are righteous and never born with any inheritable sin.
Mark 6v20: herod feared John knowing that he was a righteous and holy man.
Daniel 6v4: Daniel was faithful, no error or fault was found on him.
Luke 1v16: Zechariah and his wife were both righteous.
1st Samuel 12v3-5: Samuel never oppressed…he is free from all faults.
Mathew 1v19: Joseph was a just man
Luke 2v25: simeon was devout and righteous one etc

If we hold the word “how then can men be righteous before God? How can one who is born of a woman be clean (job 25v4) etc, to be true, then the passage will create more problem, cos one Jesus is born from a woman, then Jesus could not be clean either judging from that assertion.

Two, if Jesus is born by a woman, then he would be said to have inherited the original sin from his mother.

Three, if the word “ all have sinned” be taken to its full length, Jesus would be included among the “all” cos he is born of a woman.

However, in all manner of consideration, if the original sin is inherited and children are born into sin, Jesus would not have awarded “innocence” and “pure” state to them, neither would he have said in,

Mathew 18v3: and said, verily I say unto you, except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdon of heaven. OR
Mark 10v15: verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter heaven.

If all of us are born sinner because of Adam’s sin, then it portrayed God as one inflicting the punishment of a criminal to one who is not. This is equal to injustice. But our God is not unjust as in

Deuteronomy 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither the children be put to death for the father’s, every man shall be put to death for his own sin. OR
1st Corinthians 3v8: how he that planted and he that watered are one, and every man shall receive his own reward according to his labour.

However, this doctrine of Blood Atonement created by the church, three to four centuries after Jesus left the earth contradicts the bible as in the above passages.

NOW CHRISTIANS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. Can a man allow himself to face firing squad for a sin he has never committed?

3. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.

4. By raising the notion that men are born sinners, Christianity as a religion has made mockery of God’s love, forgiving capacity, forbearance in accepting our repentance and all out-let for the redemption of mankind through his mercy.

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of Jesus at the end of the world to die for the sins of men is equally stupefying.

6. If we could think over this statement very well, one could ask the protagonist of this doctrine, which kind of God is that who, cos of a sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they never participated in nor knowing anything about?

7. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?

It is either we accept this original sin as truth and agreed that bible is telling lie or agree with us that none inherited any sins so that bible would be free from fault.

PROOF OF THIS ASSERTION

Some of those that wrote the bible made us conclude on the notion that Christ actually died for the sin of mankind. The few quotation that they base their arguments and proof on are listed below:
1st John 4v10, 1st john 1v7, john 1v29, roman 5v8, 1st peter 3v18 etc.

all the chapters and verses above came from the bible writers and we cannot conclude on wht the writer wrote alone cos jesus said in
Mathew 10v24: the disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

The Christian protagonist says “ jesus died for our sins” but we ask, which sin? He replied , “Adam and Eve committed a mortal sin, and God’s anger was kindled agains them. And unless, Jesus should die for that sin by his own blood sacrifice on the cross, the sin cannot be forgiven!

Now consider the word carefully< somebody who is just is made to die for the unjust. What kind of injustice is that? One would start to ask. Supposing it is true that jesus die for the sin of mankind,

1. Why did God not send him immediately after the sin of Adam was committed?
2. for what purpose did he intend to delay the crucifixion till some thousand years after the event?
3. however, if jesus actually came to die for our sins and that salvation only lies in his blood sacrifice, why did he preach repentance in Mathew 4v17: repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
4. if all person are under the stain of original sin as the Christian protagonist asserts, children are exempted by jesus because they are pure and inherited nothing as in Mathew 18v3-6; verily I say unto you, except ye be converted as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of God……, also in mark 10v14-15: ………. Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God

if any one born of a woman cannot be clean (job 15v4) and that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (roman 3v27) or that “none is righteous” (roman 3v10), but if jesus was born by mary and if Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became transgressor (1st timothy 2v14) then mary would be said to be unclean, unrighteous and have inherited the original sin from his predecessor and at last it would have been said that she would have be said to have transmitted the sin to jesus! So it is either there is no inherited sin or that jesus also inherited sin since he was born of a woman.

1. To put the argument further, is there in any old prophesies the idea of inherited sin or where it was mentioned that jesus will come and die for sin or where jesus mention in his ministry that in respect of the sin of Adam and Eve, had come to rid the earth of its nuisance and has eventually come to die for that sin.
2. the Christian also proof that jesus is Gid, we will ask, does God punish himself before he can forgive a sin done against him?
3. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were severely put under curse, the bible when quoting the judgment of God passed on Adam and Eve respectively goes as follows:
Genesis 3v14-19: and the lord said unto the serpent, because thou had done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shall thou go and dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life………and unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, and to Adam he said, because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground cuz of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall the plant of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground………
Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls.
4. if Jesus himself had the notion of dying for the sin of man, why did he plead this way to God as in Mathew 26v38-39:…, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death……….father, if it be possible, let this cup (death pass from me)?
5. if jesus came to die, why is he afraid of death as in john 11v53-54: then from that day forth, they took counsel together for to put him (jesus0 to death. Jesus thereafter walked no more openly among the jews…….
6. if he had prepared to die for the sins of man, why was Judas Iscariot named traitor?
7. why do we accuse pilate as the announcer of his sentence?
8. why do we accuse jews for handling him to do what he has come to do(death)?

Here is an elucidation, Adam and Eve committed sin, their grandson who is not aware of the sin was castigated despite the scripture advise in Deut 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the sin of their fathers……, also in 2nd Chronicles 25v4: the father shall not be put to death for the children, or the children for the father……… also in Jeremiah 31v29-30: …………….everyone shall die for his own sin . see also Ezekiel 18v20-22: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not die for the iniquity of the father nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……………,

The above goes with illustration that:

9. if somebody has malaria and some treatment was prescribed, can the father take the treatment on behalf of the sick child?
10. or can a pastor be allowed to face a firing squad or be executed instead of a gangster of notorious armed robbers who actually committed the crime?

WAY OUT (watch out for the origin of sin, son of God, crucifixion, contradictions, who wrote old testament, who is paul, who wrote the four books, Mathew, mark, Luke and john etc)

Based on the above, God does not need any blood sacrifice before he can forgive sins of man as in
Hosea 6v6:for I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice…,
Isaiah 55v7: let the wicked forsake his way…,
2nd chronicles 7v14: if my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face ad turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and I will forgive their sins.

Here there is no place where there is mentioned of blood sacrifice , God desired mercy but was input by Pauline Christianity (read gospel of barnabas, he saw jesus during his lifetime), unlike paul that didn’t see jesus but act contrary to his teaching. (coming soon). Jesus did not even mention any blood anywhere but also this paul who lied that he saw Jesus! Jesus during his lifetime preached oneness of God and how merciful and forgiven God is if only u can do away with your sin and not blood anywhere.Also see the Quran
Quran 39v53-54: say o my servants who have sinned against their souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins, verily, He is most forgiving, most merciful and turn to your Lord and submit yourselves to him before there comes unto you the punishment, for then you shall not be helped and follow the best teaching that has been revealed to you from your Lord, before the punishment comes upon you suddenly when you perceive not.
Note; he forgives all sins except polytheists like Christians, three in one God 1+1+1=3

Please answer all the questions correctly and no use of vulgar language please. Know the truth and it shall set you free. Islam is the only religion that will be accepted. All other religions are named after their founders meaning its manmade, but islam stands out. Be wise today, accept islam. Even Jesus was a muslim and so also his disciples. So also Adam, Noah, Abraham, jesus and the zeal of them all Mohammed (SAW). Christians pls have a look at it, is it possible for God to send prophets with different religions? And he is not of confusion as in the book of Isaiah
Quran 2v136: say (o muslims) we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Yaqub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons of Yaqub (Jacob) and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus) and that which has been given to the prophets frm their Lord, we make no distinction between any of them and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).
Quran 2v140; or you say that Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Yaqub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons of Yaqub (Jacob) were jews or Christians? Say, ‘Do you know better or Allah does (know better … that they all were muslims) and who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony (to believe in prophet Muhammad (saw) when he comes as t is written in their books (the scriptures), he has from Allah? And He is not unaware of what you do.
Quran 3v19: truly the religion with Allah is islam. Those who were given the scripture (jews and Christians) did not differ except ought of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) of Allah, then surely, Allah is swift in calling to account.
Quran 3v70: o people of the scripture (jews and Christians), why do you disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah (the verses about Muhammad (saw), present in the Taurat (taorah) and the Injeel (Gospel) while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)
Quran 3v71: o people of the scripture, why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know.
Quran 2v23: and if you (arab pagans, jews, Christians) are in doubt concerning that whch we have sent down (the Holy Quran) to our slave Muhammad (saw), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witness (supporters and helpers) besides Allah if you are truthful.
Quran 2v109: many of the people of the scripture (jews and Christians) wish that they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even after the truth (that Muhammad saw is Alah’s messenger) has become manifest uto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His command. Verily Allah is able to do all things.

Also which church did jesus belong to during his time, is it the catholic that worship Mary and also have fathers and mothers. Is there any place that God says you should not marry but this was laid by paul when they went to meet him in the book of Corinthians (2nd) an he advised that it will be better for them to remain like him. Now how will it looks like if everybody becomes father and mother. Or does he belongs to the white garments, one C & S that wears shoes and the other Celestials that doesn’t. or the deeper life that their pastor compels them to be using King james vesion cos he contains some things not in other bibles like the raptures. Or the Oyakhilomes and Synoagogue blinding people with so called miracles. Hey see a scenario, I attended Christ embassy (oyakhilome) church when I haven’t seen the light. When it was time for miracle, he brought two men, one blind from birth, the other deaf and dumb from birth. He then healed the two, the first (blind) was afterwards shown different colours and funny enough, he knew red colour from white, black from green. Now how did a blind knew what red, green, white, brown etc clour. How was he able to differentiate? Also the second deaf and dumb was shown fingers and at the raising of each fingers for counting, he counted one , two, three up to five. Now can any sincere Christian tell me, who teached him the alphabets or was it the holy spirit! (God forbid).
Also have u notice that at the same Christ embassy, nearly all of them speak in tongue, even the robbers, fonicators, etc.

Also why do we have many versions of bible in which for more than 1400 years, its still the same.

I remembered when God used me to touch the live of a man and he reverted back to islam, having explained everything to him, there was a particular verse from the Holy Quran that Allah used for him and I believe if you read it and you are sincere with yourself, you will surely learn from it except those destined to be in hell or if u don’t now the religion to go for. The verse is
Quran 30v30: so set your face towards the religion (of pure Islamic monotheism) with which he has created mankind. No change, that is the straight religion. But most men do not know.

The above verse means that if you are in doubt of the true religion, seek for the religion that it has never seen changes and is in line with the creation of living things. For example, the dog we have in Africa has four legs like the one in Europe or Asia, the donkey has the same feautures all over the world. Also human have the same creation irrespective of the colour height skin etc. so any religion that is like that in which they have everything in common is the religion of God. The reason for being the right religion and religion of nature is that despite your colour, race, tribe, muslim is a muslim, we are being binded by the articles of faith (5), we recited the same surahs and pray the same number of rakats for the same time of prayer. We face the same direction, we fast the same month, etc. now does this applies to Christianity and what is that. (jesus’ blood sacrifice huh? Lol)
Now take this again, in Islam, we have five times compulsory daily prayers in which if you miss like the 2pm prayer, u wont be able to pray the one for 4pm, but u will first pray the one of 2pm before the 4pm, does this applies to Christians too?
Or service starts by 10pm and you came to church by 1pm, will you pay-back all the clappings, dancings you have missed? Will you ask those there that pls how many is the clap I missed and how many dance they have danced?

Truth stands clear from falsehood and no compulsion in religion. Also call people to the way of the lord with wisdom, knowledge and good preaching.

And it is not until you put the whole convincing things at the front of someone before he can accept the truth, it depends on those that God wants to cos the day he created hell, he vouched that he will put people there and also when he created heaven he vouched he will put people there. It will be wise for you today to join the religion of the wise and be at safe hands. Hell and heaven are real. Now let me ask you Christians, what does you have in common as in
1. Can a c & s worship with foursquare with his garment on/ buy in islam you can worship anywhere regardless of your society.
2. Why do some wear shoes to church as opposed to cherubim and seraphim (they have their proof as in the book of moses) where God commanded Moses to take off his shoes cos he’s on holy ground.
3. Why do we have king james version, holy bible, revised standard version, English version, the good news, etc and each contradicting each other.


WATCH OUT FOR THE ORIGIN OF SIN, SON OF GOD, CRUCIFIXION, CONTRADICTIONS, WHO WROTE OLD TESTAMENT, WHO IS PAUL, WHO WROTE THE FOUR BOOKS, MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN, IS JESUS GOD ETC)

So answer those questions one after the other which are copied here

NOW CHRISTIANS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. Can a man allow himself to face firing squad for a sin he has never committed?

3. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.

4. By raising the notion that men are born sinners, Christianity as a religion has made mockery of God’s love, forgiving capacity, forbearance in accepting our repentance and all out-let for the redemption of mankind through his mercy.

5. If men are born sinners, the coming of Jesus at the end of the world to die for the sins of men is equally stupefying.

6. If we could think over this statement very well, one could ask the protagonist of this doctrine, which kind of God is that who, cos of a sin of two people, decided to condemn the entire humanity for the sin they never participated in nor knowing anything about?

8. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?

Now consider the word carefully< somebody who is just is made to die for the unjust. What kind of injustice is that? One would start to ask. Supposing it is true that jesus die for the sin of mankind,

5. Why did God not send him immediately after the sin of Adam was committed?
6. for what purpose did he intend to delay the crucifixion till some thousand years after the event?
7. however, if jesus actually came to die for our sins and that salvation only lies in his blood sacrifice, why did he preach repentance in Mathew 4v17: repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
8. if all person are under the stain of original sin as the Christian protagonist asserts, children are exempted by jesus because they are pure and inherited nothing as in Mathew 18v3-6; verily I say unto you, except ye be converted as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of God……, also in mark 10v14-15: ………. Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God

if any one born of a woman cannot be clean (job 15v4) and that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (roman 3v27) or that “none is righteous” (roman 3v10), but if jesus was born by mary and if Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became transgressor (1st timothy 2v14) then mary would be said to be unclean, unrighteous and have inherited the original sin from his predecessor and at last it would have been said that she would have be said to have transmitted the sin to jesus! So it is either there is no inherited sin or that jesus also inherited sin since he was born of a woman.

11. To put the argument further, is there in any old prophesies the idea of inherited sin or where it was mentioned that jesus will come and die for sin or where jesus mention in his ministry that in respect of the sin of Adam and Eve, had come to rid the earth of its nuisance and has eventually come to die for that sin.
12. the Christian also proof that jesus is Gid, we will ask, does God punish himself before he can forgive a sin done against him?
13. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were severely put under curse, the bible when quoting the judgment of God passed on Adam and Eve respectively goes as follows:
Genesis 3v14-19: and the lord said unto the serpent, because thou had done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shall thou go and dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life………and unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, and to Adam he said, because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground cuz of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall the plant of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground………
Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls.
14. if Jesus himself had the notion of dying for the sin of man, why did he plead this way to God as in Mathew 26v38-39:…, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death……….father, if it be possible, let this cup (death pass from me)?
15. if jesus came to die, why is he afraid of death as in john 11v53-54: then from that day forth, they took counsel together for to put him (jesus0 to death. Jesus thereafter walked no more openly among the jews…….
16. if he had prepared to die for the sins of man, why was Judas Iscariot named traitor?
17. why do we accuse pilate as the announcer of his sentence?
18. why do we accuse jews for handling him to do what he has come to do(death)?

Here is an elucidation, Adam and Eve committed sin, their grandson who is not aware of the sin was castigated despite the scripture advise in Deut 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the sin of their fathers……, also in 2nd Chronicles 25v4: the father shall not be put to death for the children, or the children for the father……… also in Jeremiah 31v29-30: …………….everyone shall die for his own sin . see also Ezekiel 18v20-22: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not die for the iniquity of the father nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……………,

The above goes with illustration that:

19. if somebody has malaria and some treatment was prescribed, can the father take the treatment on behalf of the sick child?
20. or can a pastor be allowed to face a firing squad or be executed instead of a gangster of notorious armed robbers who actually committed the crime?

malik4
thanks for the response. i will like to ask u questions based on all u typed. u read all i said but ur answer in not in relation to what i typed. now i will ike to make reference to what u typed?

1]. Gen. 22:18 - 'And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.' God gave this promise to Abraham, in which we understand that there was only one Person that "thy Seed" could be referring to - and that is Jesus Christ, according to Gal. 3:16 - ''Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." Thus, all the nations of the earth are to be blessed in Jesus Christ and none else.

[2]. Isa. 11:10 - 'And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.' The Gentiles are non-Jewish people, and here the text shows that even before Jesus was born, His salvation was promised to people who are not Jews as well. In the NT, Jesus categorically offered His glorious rest to whoever comes to Him by faith (see Matt. 11:28 - 'Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest' ~~ did you notice here that His invitation was to all?).

[3]. Isa. 49:6 - "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth." The last portion of this text is clearly indicative of Jesus Christ who was promised to be God's salvation unto the end of the earth, rather than to only the Jews (notice the possessive pronoun "my" in the statement 'my salvation to the end of the earth' - which shows that God's prophetic word was uttered by the prophet in that text).

[4]. Isa. 52:10 - "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God." Again, a prophetic declaration that God's salvation in Christ was to reach non-Jews as well.


did all the above reference referred to jesus/ what is the proof?

now based on your new testament quote, am still asking the same questions, what is the relationship between those verses and my questions? did he mention gentiles. he said categoriccaly thst he was sent not to the whole world but to his community. what u dont know is that the prophets come preaching the same message. it is like a relay race in which runners exchange baton from each other. if a prophet comes, he will go for another prophet to take over. they all came to preach the oneness of God and his mercifulness. can be an author of confusion? givien ne prophet a religion different from others?

now to this verse u quoted, let me shed more light on it. who said that statement,well majority doesnt know that it was john that said it, many believe itwas jesus.

now i challenge u again, u will not seee this statement(onlybegotten son0 anywhere except in the two books of john i.e. john and the 1st john.

and he was uasing this to convince people,

no let me ask u again, do u think it was john of one of the disciples that wrote it(/ no far from that). i will shed light on that later

Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Luke 24:46-47
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

same goes to this ur statement as expalined above, the mesage that the prophets before him has been preaching has to continue, that is why he said they should preach it, but his own message was limited to his community alone,. read the verses up

as for the issue of original sin or inheritedsin, i will shed more light ont that soon

most if the sayings were hearsay , they copied each other and werent there when the incidenthappened, watch out for my contradictions in the bible

i quote from you:

First, those are not my 'personal opinion' of what each of the verses mean in response to Babs787; and it would be just great to see what is your own understanding (or personal opinion) of the verses. When you go through the Bible, you'll see how they connect and what they point to, and I'm not in the least interested in long drawn-out debates of choosy denials of Biblical texts. My response was aptly pointing out to Babs that his fundamental enquiry as to Jesus being sent to the whole world meets with a resounding "yes" - both from Biblical prophecy and fulfillment.

well, i dont quote from mere saying, u saw everything, if not re-read up, he was sent onlyto the jews




u also quoted these:


So, where did I state that a person is born with sin because of the sin of Adam? Rather, two statements in my earlier reply are:

(a) "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom 3:23-24).

(b) "Even in Islam, there's a belief that every human being that comes into the world is tainted by sin" (not born with sin); and then I referenced statements attributed to Muhammad and Ayatollah Khomeini to underscore that Islamic belief. In any case, the problem really isn't mine; and if you have any issues with that, then I guess you'd have to take Muhammad to task on his statement that "Satan touches every child when it is born".

now all ur statement contradicts Jesus'teachins. but will come to that later.
u were laying empahsis on pauline doctrine and not jesus

hey
Rebuttal #1 - "they were not eyewitnesses"??

In direct speech, Jesus said to the disciples (the apostles whom He had chosen): "And ye are witnesses of these things" (Luke 24:48). The inspired writer Luke is many times accused by Muslims as misrepresenting the Gospel because he was not one of the twelve; but this is what he said from the onset: "Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word" (Luke 1:2).


u didnt the above statement, he dedicsted the verse to Theophilus. read it very well.