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@gist,

salam my brother, may the guidance, blessing and protecting of Allah (swt) be with u and increase your knowledge (amin).

to the issue of isa (asw) which is called jesus, they r just twisting issues. the questions raised by shahan was off the track of what we have been saying but having known that there is no hiding place for them, he threw a question different from the one we have been iscussing.(is christianity wrong)

jesus was nothing than a prophet, sent to israelite. u know that christians are hypocrites, they can lay their hands on where jesus said, i am here for for sacrifice, kill me and use my blood for atonement.

they claim that jesus of the bible was sinless and i brought out certain verses for them.jesus wasnt the only prophet to be acused of things, most of the prophets of God were accused of adultery, fornication etc and which isnt supposed to be like that.

I DIDNT SAY JESUS WAS SINFUL LIKEWISE MUHAMMED (SAW) BUT I BROUGHT OUT VERSES FROM THE BIBLE FOR THEM TO SEE.

we the entire muslim world believe in jesus (but not as a son, or saviour nor who was crucified) and we accord him respect like every other prophets cos we were told never to make comparism among the prophets, we equally believe in all of them including jesus

and by the way maybe if you christians do not know, muhammed, wasnt the only prophet of islam, so why the fuss, even jesus wasnt a christian and all the prophets before him practised islam. so in a nutshell muhammed (saw) wasnt the originator iof Islam.

davidylan,

ur response didnt come as a surprise, i asked u questions and rather than answer those questions, u pumelled irrelevant questions at me. why dont we do it one after the other?

@soksam,

it means all humans have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

1. why did all humans have to sin.

2. how did all humans sin

@mrpataki,

You don't know that there are alot of hadith even you yourself told me that there some hadith are not taken. Please there are nations that claim they are Islamic that are not following the Sharia.
WHAT HAS SHARIAH GOT TO DO WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND?

you must know that when the Quran moves in the Limelight you will discover that there will be different version of Islam those pillars will be there but you will see that they will have no power.

ALHAMDULILLAH.THANKS FOR THAT, BUT AS AT NOW, THERE HASN’T BEEN ANY VERSION UNLIKE BIBLE HAVING SOME VERSE EXPUNGED IN THE BOOK OF GOD!!!

Just wait you will see Gay Imams and other people twisting your 5pillars. so please don't rush yourself The god of this world is more powerful that you think throwing stones on him can do anything. The seat of evil will be in the Middle east and your Quran will have no power.
LIKE I SAID IN THE ABOVE POST, IT HASN’T BEEN HAPPENING. OKAY MAYBE COS ITS HAPPENING IN THE CHRISTIANDOM, BUT WHY DID THEY APPROVE SAME SEX MARRIAGE IN THE CHURCH? ISLAM IS UNLIKE CHRISRTIAN IN WHICH IT’S A MANMADE RELIGION. JESUS NEVER HEARD OF THE WORLD AND THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE CHRISTIANITY WAS MENTIONED. MOST RELIGIONS INCLUDING CHRISTIZANITY WERE NAMED AFTER THEIR FOUNDER LIKE BUDHA=BUDHAISM, TAO+ TAOISM, SANGO=ONISANGO, ETC. MORE THAN 1400 HUNDREDS, NO SINGLE VERSION HAS EVER BEEN DETECTED, ALLAH MADE THE PROMISE AND ITS STILL HAPPENING

The food is being cooked and the time is at hand. You may say all kinds of things but the mighty are fallen and yet the weak say when shall we fight? There are division in Islam and because you cannot compare Islam to Christianity you will not be able to understand.
EVEN THERE IS DIVISION, CAN U LAY EMPHASIS ON THE DIVISION AND DOES THE DIVISION AFFECT FAITH LIKE CHRISTIANITY WHERE SOME SAY JESUS WAS TIED TO A STAKE, AND NOT CRUCIFIED, SOME SAY HE IS NOT THREE IN ONE, ETC U CALL THAT RELIGION WHERE THERE IS NO UNITY?

Islam Based on Government and Militarism and some Morality
Christianity is based on Personal relationship With God  
REALLY?

I THOUGHT THE BIBLE WAS INSPIRED, BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT FORGOT TO REMIND SOME AUTHORS THAT SOME VERSES ARE MISSING IN THEIR VERSIONS. (ASK ME FOR PROOF)

Shahan, babyosis,

Has your blindness overshadowed you to the extent that u cant comprehend simple sentence

men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has make one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property).

U bolded the above, maybe u tell me if your wife is your protector and maybe its your wife that feed and clothe you.
Why don’t u make reference to the second sentence too?

I don’t blame you really cos your bible failed in providing you better explanation on the above. Or maybe ur bible tells you that ur wife is your protector or that your wife shouldn’t be obedient and should be maintainer of wives.

As to those women you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (Lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance), surely Allah is ever Most High, Most great."

I gave you the whole verse but u laid emphasis on the beating of a wife and u and your cohorts went to the extent of quoting husbands love from bible. Did the holy Quran teaches hating of one’s wife? If u cant understand, the verse says “as to those women you see ill-conduct, first admonish them, secondly refuse to share their beds, thirdly beat them lightly.

I asked u again having gone off track, how does bible teach you to deal with ill-conduct women or disrespectful wife?

shahan,

Well, if Christianity is wrong because of Who Jesus Christ proved Himself to be (sinless and loving); could Islam be right if we apply the same test to who Muhammad proved himself to be?

SINLESSNESS

If you pay close attention to the rejoinders to your concerns, could you possibly miss the gist that you had no point at all to convey? It would be interesting to read some new concerns of yours, if you have any.

Well, if jesus is sinless, I want you to explain these verses to me.

1. Here, he was accused of stealing in

John 7v8-10: on the feast of the tabernacle, jesus replied his brothers, go to the feast yourselves, I am not going up to the feast and after his brothers were gone, he also went up, not publicly but in private.

2. if jesus had forbidden mere cursing of others and says in his words
Mathew 5v22: but whoever shall say “thou fool” shall be in danger of hell fire.

Then for him to have cursed a fig tree (having forgotten that it wasn’t time to bear fruit) in
Mark 11v13-14: andc seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he (jesus) might find anything thereon, and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, FOR THE TIME OF FIGS WAS NOT YET. And jesus answered and said unto it, NOMAN EAT FRUIT OF THEE HEREAFTER FOREVER. And his disciples heard it.

Or to have say “you blind fools” in
Mathew 23v17: ye fools and blind, for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctified the gold?

3. the bible also recorded that jesus took baptism from john, the purpose of baptism is for ‘the forgiveness of sin’ as in

Mathew 3 v15: let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.

Mark 1v4: john did baptism in the wilderness and preach baptism of repentance for the remission of sin

WHY DID HE TOOK BAPTISM IF HE WAS SINLESS?

4. if jesus is sinless, how come the verse that he who that is born of a woman cannot be clean (roman 3 v10) : how then can man be righteous, no not one, two, everyone as long as he remain someone born of a woman, he is perpetually under irredeemable sin.

Job 25v4: how then can man be righteous before God. How can he who is born of a woman be clean?

LOVING INDEED

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites…………, as the Lord commanded Moses

Killing women, children, animals.

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

KILL THEM AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTIES

Deut 20v10: when u draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And it its answer to you is peace and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, THEN U SHALL BESIEGE IT, U SHALL PUT ALL THE MALES TO THE SWORD, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and everything else in the city all its spoils, u shall TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES AND U SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.

SWORD AND FIRE IN NEW TESTAMENT (ALL THESE WERE SAID BY GOD JESUS)

Luke 12v49: I came to cast fire upon the earth and would that it were already kindled. Do not think I came to make peace but rather DIVISION for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, two against three. They will be divided, father against son, son against father, mother against daughter, daughter against mother.

Mathew 10v34: do not think I have come to make peace on earth. I have not come to make peace but a SWORD. For I have come to set man against his father and a daughter against her mother.

@malik,

u talked as if u dont understand the issue. am concerned about this verse cos thats the verse they used in deceiving you and you did same trying to deceive me as uve been. am very sure they must have used this verse and others to convert you.

u quoted a verse for me and i asked you the meaning, u diverted to the issue of sinlesslessness of muhammed.

u claimed that jesus came to die for christians sin u quoted the above verse and i asked you who the verse was referring to as ALL HAVE SINNED.

i wasnt referring to jesus but asking you who is this 'all'.

and why did 'all sin'

soksam,,

i never said the verse was referring to jesus. all i asked of you are simple questions that,

1. who is this ALL in the romans all have sinned.

2. why did all sin?

MALIK,
this is not the issue of shakara and ve forgotten that u r a learned professor of English language. (i thought u understood typographical error).

am still available for you if u want the issue of crucifictin thrashed out, but will be happy if the issue at hand is being solved in order not to muddle up things.

babyosis,

now to your response. i ask you yu asked t ponder on the one to choose out of the two religion, maybe u will enlightne me why christianity is the most acceptable.

have u for one find out why incosistencies in the bible.

have u for one day find out why some verse and not in some bibles and are in some.

have you for one day find out why protetant cant worship with jehovah witness and why catholic bible cant be read in a protestant church.

have u for one find out was jesus really the only begotten son or we have others too.

have u for one find out from your bible if jesus was really crucified?

have u for one day find out from your bible if jesus was sent to the whole world.

have u for one day find out if jesus really died for your sin.

have u for one day find out why some are turning themselves into father and mother

have u for one day find out why some claimed that jesus was tied to a stake rather than crucified.

go over all my questions amd get back at me.

malik,

u said muhammed (saw) wasnt a prophet, i told u to back it with proof and i  didnt make reference to mukina's quote. funny you, u said he's not a prophet and u failed to back it up.

if uve been reading my posts, ve beenbacking everything up with quotes even from your bible eg jesus as the only begotten son, saviour, dying for your sin etc.
so if u want to criticise my prophet, back it up with quotes frm your bible and my book too.

mukina quoted some verses from the bible for you in which muhammed(saw) was prophesied  but instead of you to go over it, u said u would come up with who the verses were referring to, fine, go on.

Tayod,

Why hiding the truth. Why can't you learn the meaning of brethren.

The brethren of Israelites (descedants of Abraham through Isaac) are Ishmaelites (descendanrs of Abraham through ismaelites. Jesus cannot be the prophet mentioned in deutronomy as he was an Israelite, otherwise it would have been “a prophet from among yourselves”
If you want to compare moses to jesus as being the one referred to, please compare using the below as criteria
1.birth
2. family life
3. death
4. career
5. forced (emigration)
6. encounter with enemies (battles)
7. when was revelation written down, during or after their life?
8. nature of teachings, spiritual, new law
9. acceptance of leadership by his people
10.

havila,

2) Yes, Muhammed was prophesied in the Book of Deuteronomy; not in Deut 18:18 BUT in Deut 18:20 where God talked about the false prophets who will come, muhammed is just one of them because he fulfills all the qualifying characteristics of the passage.

it seems u r confused. u said he wasnt mentioned and now u said he was mentioned. stick to one pls.

IF YOU ALL AGREE THAT MUHAMMED (SAW) IS A PROPHET SENT BY ALLAH, WHAT THE FUSS ALL ABOUT? BE SPECIFIC PLS

@malik

Now to your question raised on plurality of Allah, the below we awaken you to reality

We or our that ALLAH uses in many verses of the Quran does not mean the plural of GOD BUT THE WORD OF RESPECT which even an ordinary person like you and I always use for a single person. For example, if somebody knock the door from outside, the person inside will say “who are you” “are” in this speech stands for “plural of respect”. Moreover, we use this word to ask person about his health “are you okay”? why not say “is you okay” or “who is you”?.

Using the word “we” or “our” does not mean that Allah is many.

In Arabic language for instance, when addressing one who is subordinate to you, you may address him with a singular pronoun ‘ANTA’ that is ‘you’ but where the addresse is superior (older) to the addresser, ‘ANTUM’ is usually used which is a nominate plural (you).

In yoruba language (which am conversant with) in South West of Nigeria, the older usually addresses the younger ‘IWO’ meaning ‘YOU’ (singular) and the younger will addres the older “EYIN” that is “YOU” showing the way to address one person who should be respected or honoured due to his status which may be age or position. In the language of the Quran Arabic and many other languages, an elder or a senior of any sort may address himself or herself “we” instead of “I” (U MAY RESEARCH YOURSELF).

Having explained to you, let me back it up with the below verse to awaken you from the ignorant state and stop you from hiding behind this very issue.

Quran 14v52: this is a sufficient exposition for the people and that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He (Allah) is one and those possessed of understanding may mind.

Based on the above explanation, I challenge you to explain the below to me

Genesis 1 v26: then God said “and now we will make human beings, they will be LIKE US and resemble US” (GOOD NEWS BIBLE)

Genesis 1 v26: and God went on to say “LET US make man in our image according to OUR likeness. (NEW WORLD TRANSLATION OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES)

WHY “US” AND “OUR” there?

After explaining the above, I want you to explain “be like us or likeness of God”, “resemble us” and God’s image. cos GOD SAID IN

Isaiah 40v18: to whom then will you LIKEN GOD, OR WHAT LIKENESS COMPARE WITH HIM.

Isaiah 40V35: to whom then will you COMPARE ME, and that I should be LIKE HIM.says the Holy one.

@mrpataki,

what topic have i evaded? and can you bring out the falsehood u r claiming.

well, in all sincerity, u never answered my questions here. i asked u certain questions but u gave me stories based on your own perception.

u read in the bible in many instances that showed the greatness of God over jesus and u also read verses in which jesus claimed that God sent him, u would have read too where he cited God as the father.

mrpataki, u hid under a verse in which i came with a similar verse but nothing was done on that.

lastly i asked same questions twice but all you could tell me was that jesus came down from heaven, too human form and died like normal being.

havent u read in your bible that our God is Immortal and that none can be compared and none cant be likened to him.

i asked you that if God left heaven to come down here, who was he praying to to the extent that his sweat were like blood.

also on the cross, he shouted too,

lastly u quoted john 3v16; for God so loved the world that heg ave his only begotten son,

the above says God sent his only begotten son meaning that God is above jesus (even based on your earlier organogram).

for God to have sent Jesus, it showed that God is greater than jesus and the two are not equal.

there are many instances in the bible in which Jesus made mention of God as being the one that sent him so they can never be same.

also i asked you why is that the blaspheme against son has forgiveness but that of Holy spirit doesnt, but u told me that God made the holy spirit gentle as dove or whatever cos of human nature and i asked u wasnt jesus tempted too.

MY BROTHER, TKS FOR TAKING YOUR TIME IN ALLOWING ME TO EXPAIN TO YOU WHAT REMAINS A MYSTERY TO YOU IN WHICH YOU HAVE NO SUFFICIENT BACKING.

BUT THE EARLIER YOU KNOW THE BETTER AND STOP ALL THESE BLASPHEMOUS STATEMENTS and seek God's forgiveness.

JESUS WAS SENT FROM GOD AND NOT GOD.

now, i will go and contribute to the thread u told me to.

till i hear from you, stay blessed

@mrpataki,

u r far from from the truth.

i asked u questions but u failed in responding and even re-posted your response word for word. why cant u be sincere with yourself and go over your 'supposed response' , most of your answer fell below the track.

dont u comprehend that u contradicted yourself with your response. think man, u claimed jesus is God but responded with something far from what uve been saying.

u started your confusion right from your organogram and now when i threw questions at you again, u couldnt answer, rather you were giving me irrelevant posts.

u even gave me a quote in which jesus said i and father are i and i asked if that could made him to be God what of similar satement in which he said he and disciples are one, u buried that one till today.

go over the questions again and your response and my reply to your 'supposed answers'.

i also asked u in one of the questions when jesus cried to God that why has thou forsaken and u said he was crying to God, but i asked u WAS GOD CRYING TO GOD, no response, maybe u will respond now.

also when he went to pray at Gethsemane, he cried and prayed to God three times and God sent holy spirit to strenghen him, i ask again, was God crying and begging God (himself)?


in addtion, at the same gethsemane, he begged God to lift the cup (death) from him and his sweat were like that of blood, i ask again
why was he praying to himself to the extent that his sweat was like that of blood

NA WA OOOOOO MRPATAKI

JESUS IS GOD INDEED.

mukina,


never mind, am waiting for their biblical backings based on my write up.

M4mailk et al,

why do u lack understanding? Why cant u comprehend simple statement. She wasn’t equating man to woman and vice versa but laying EMPAHSIS ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE WORD APPEARS IN THE GLORIOUS QURAN but u misunderstood her. Why cant u bring out such from your bible if u have, or bring out any proof to nullify her claim.

Now to the verses quotes,

the Qur'an prescribes 4 wives to 1 man, but it is nowhere permitted for a woman to have 4 husbands (again, 4 is not equal to 1) / [Q. 4:3]
Quran 4v3: and if you fear that you shall not be able to DEAL JUSTLY, then marry women of your choice, two or three, or four BUT IF YOU FEAR THAT YOU SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL JUSTLY (WITH THEM), then ONLY ONE THAT YOUR RIGHT HAND POSESES. That is nearer to prevent injustice.

Let me ask u based on what u said that why its not permitted for a woman to marry 4 men. CAN YOU ALLOW YOUR SISTER TO MARRY 4 MEN AMD HAVE CHILDREN FOR EACH AT THE SAME TIME, OR U ALLOW YOUR WIFE TO MARRY THREE OTHER MEN BESIDE YOU HAVING KIDS FOR EACH. I don’t blame you for this cos your bible failed in providing answer to this, no wonder you are confused. I therefore challenge you where in your bible it is stated and compel you to marry not more than one. Even your jesus didn’t tell you to marry only one. Little wonder some sects are turning themselves to FATHER and MOTHER cos there is no explanation on that from your bible. Even your paul tried providing solution but it just didn’t match

the muslim man can beat the muslim woman; but it is unthinkable for the muslim woman to dare the same to muslim men (Quran 4 vs.34 - infact, it declares there that men are superior to women)

Quran 4v34: men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has make one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property). As to those women you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (Lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance), surely Allah is ever Most High, Most great.

WHY DO U LIKE TURNING VERSES UPSIDE. U DON’T NEED TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO DECEIVE PEOPLE. GO THROUGH THE WHOLE VERSE ABOVE AND TELL IF THERE’S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE ABOVE VERSE IF ANYTHING IS WRONG PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE FROM YOUR BIBLE. BETTER STILL, PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE FROM YOUR BIBLE THAT TELLS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH AN ILL-CONDUCT WOMAN TO BUTRESS YOUR ABOVE QUOTE.

women can be flogged eighty stripes without evidence, whereas not so with the men (Q. 24 vs.4)

Quran 24v4: and to those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever. They indeed are the fasiqun (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

I SAID EARLIER, MUST U QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT TO WIN PEOPLE? AFTERALL U R KNOWLEABLE ENOUGH TO COMPREHEND THE ABOVE VERSE. SO UR SAYING ABOVE IS OUT OF CONTEXT. GO THROUGH IT AGAIN FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

MUKINA WAS TRYING TO TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES EACH WORD APPEAR IN THE HOLY QURAN BUT U TURNED IT UPSIDE DOWN ACCUSING HER OF EQUATING MAN AND WOMAN ETC.

@malik,

where in the bible did jesus say he is sinless or where was it written that he was sinless (pls dont quote paul's letter to me). only the sayings of jesus.

malik & SOKSAM,

lets start from here, it will be one after the other in order not to muddle up things.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:10,23)

WHO IS THIS ALL?

AND WHY DID ALL SIN?

am waiting

malik & SOKSAM,

lets start from here

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:10,23)

WHO IS THIS ALL?

AND WHY DID ALL SINNED?

malik,

why picking only ffrom my response to ndipe and not from my response to mrpataki or belloti's response to babyosis.

no ned to wait for another thread when uve not done justice to the one already on ground.

u read the discussion between babyosis, mrpataki in which belloti referred babyosis to a site and also in which mrpataki asked me questions and i responded. still u never find anything to add to these but rather waiting for another thread.

go the issue raised and respond or contribute yours.

no need to rush yourself to see new threasd, ve always done that i will continue doing that but its just uve not been able to provide proff in all my threads, check all my threads for verification.

waitying for your response

@mrpataki,

i am very much happy at all your explanations, it went a long a way to show  your level of ignorance on the topic"IS JESUS GOD". FUNNY enough, your brethren were even congratulating you over your mischievousness. i will re-explain your explanations and even back it up with questions.

NOW THE QUESTION IS STILL IS JESUS GOD AND YOU AND YOUR BRETHREN HAVE BEEN TELLING ME THAT JESUS IS THE SAME THING AS GOD. LET US NOW GO INTO YOUR EXPLANATION ONE AFTER THE OTHER.

UR EXPLANATIONS ARE BOLDED WHILE MINE IS WRITTEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS

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1.If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?
Matt 11:25 -"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

In the above scripture reference, Christ addresses God as his Father, not as his Lord. This is just to simply show that he had a loyal obedience which is expected of a son to the father and not that of a subject, which your own religion teaches you. Further references of such you could find in the following verses too.  (John 11:41; 12:28; 17:1; Lu 23:34).

WHY R U BEATING ABOUT THE BUSH. GO THROUGH YOUR RESPONSE UP, U SAID CHRIST HAD A LOYAL OBEDIENCE WHICH IS EXPECTED OF A SON TO THE FATHER.

LET ME ASK U AGAIN, IF THEY ARE BOTH SAME AND EQUAL, WHY DID U SAY OBEDIENCE OF A SON TO A FATHER. IT MEANS THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITY, SON UNDER THE OBEDIENCE OF THE FATHER? IF CHRIST AND GOD ARE SAME AND ONE, NO NEED OF HIM TO ADDRESS ANYBODY AS HIS FATHER AND NO NEED TO PRAY TO ANYBODY. CAN GOD PRAY TO GOD. BY SO DOING, IT MEANS HE IS OBEYING SOMEONE GREATER THAN HIM. HOPE U UNDERSTOOD.


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2.Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32).

Matt 24:36 - But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Thank you babs for this question, when Jesus said that even he did not know the time of the end, he was affirming his human form in which he came into the earth has. Of course, God the Father knows the time, and Jesus and the Father are one, but when Jesus became a man, He voluntarily gave up the unlimited use of his divine attributes. The emphasis of this verses is not on Jesus's lack knowledge as a God head, but rather on the fact that as human beings, no one knows when He would return. It is God the Father's secret to reveal when he wills.

No one can predict by scripture or science the exact day of Jesus's return. The essence of this scripture is that the preparation of Jesus is not based on a specific time or calculation![/b]

WOW, DID U MEANT WHEN JESUS BECAME MAN, HE LOST HIS SENSES AND FORGOT THE THINGS INCLUDING WHEN THE WORLD WILL END! (SO GOD  IN THE FORGET THINGS HUH). BY THE WAY WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE THAT JESUS GAVE UP THE UNLIMITED USE OF HIS DIVINE ATTRIBUTES TO TAKE HUMAN FORM?.

but rather on the fact that as human beings, no one knows when He would return. It is God the Father's secret to reveal when he wills.

EXPLAIN THE ABOVE. IS THE GOD HEAD DIFFERENT FROM JESUS COS U SAID ITS ONLY THE GOD FATHER THAT KNOWS WHEN?

No one can predict by scripture or science the exact day of Jesus's return. The essence of this scripture is that the preparation of Jesus is not based on a specific time or calculation![/
THATS NOT THE ISSUE.

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3.Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38).
John 5:19 -Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30 - I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 6:38 - For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

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As much as possible babs, never pick a scripture in isolation always look at the scripture before it and as well those after it too, just to get a better understanding as well.
He shows that there is the closest co-operation between the Father and Son. What the Father does the Son will do, even to the extent of giving life to the dead.
Because of his unity with God, Jesus lived as God wanted him to live. Just to further show his obedience to the will of the Father! [/b]

TKS FOR THAT, I WILL NOT PICK A SCRIPTURE IN ISOLATION. "CLOSEST COOPERATION" PLS MAKE ME UNDERSTAND, FROM UR EXPLANATION IT SHOWED THAT JESUS AND GOD ARE SEPARATE ENTITY.

MIND YOU, JESUS WASNT THE ONLY PERSON TO DO SUPERNATURAL THINGS LKE GIVING LIFE TO THE DEAD. IF AS A RESULT OF GIVING LIFE TO THE DEAD MADE HIM GOD WHAT OF THE ELIJAH AND ELISHA, WHY NOT CALL THEM GOD.

1ST KINGS 17V22: AND THE  LORD HEARD THE VOICE OF ELIJAH, AND THE SOUL OF THE CHILD CAME INTO HIM AGAIN, AND HE REVIVED.

2ND KINGS 4V34: AND HE (ELISHA) WNET UP AND LAY UPON THE CHILD AND PUT HIS MOUTH UPON HIS MOUTH AND HIS EYES UPON HIS EYES AND HIS HANDS UPON HIS HANDS AND HE STRETCHED HIMSELF UPON THE CHILD AND THE FLESH  OF THE CHILD WAXED WARM.

Because of his unity with God, Jesus lived as God wanted him to live. Just to further show his obedience to the will of the Father! [/b]
U SHOULD HAVE SAID GOD LIVED THE WAY GOD WANTED HIMSELF TO LIVE

[b]4.Did "God the Son" die? The Bible says the Son died (Romans 5:10). If so, can God die? Can part of God die?
Romans 5:10 - For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

DID U READ THE ABOVE URSELF. IT SAYS " RECONCILED TO GOD BY THE DEATH OF HIS SON. MEANING THAT JESUS IS DIFFERENT FROM GOD. JESUS DIED BUT GOD CANNOT DIE

Ok, hope with all my effort, you will take time to read it thorough and get an understanding from it. Now the above scripture goes to show that As sinners, we are the enemies of God, rebels, under his divine displeasure. Through the gospel of the Crucified Redeemer, we obtain peace with God. We turn to him, and are reconciled to him, obtaining forgiveness through faith. God is not reconciled to us, but we to him. His love ever shines, and is shown in his gospel. He is ever ready to pardon, and when we cease our rebellion, and come to him, through Christ, for mercy, he receives us. Yes he died because he came as flesh and blood and dwelt amongst us for real![/b]

OFF THE LINE. NO RELEVANCE. I ASKED U CAN GOD DIE?

5. Can there be more than three persons in the Godhead? Certainly the Old Testament does not teach three but emphasizes oneness. If the New Testament adds to the Old Testament message and teaches three persons, then what is to prevent subsequent revelations of additional persons? If we apply trinitarian logic to interpret some verses of Scripture, we could teach a fourth person (Isaiah 48:16; Colossians 1:3; 2:2; I Thessalonians 3:11; James 1:27). Likewise, we could interpret some verses of Scripture to mean six more persons (Revelation 3:1; 5:6).
Isiah 48:16 - Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

CAN U EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. WHAT R U DRIVING AT?

[b]Colossians 1:3 - We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

DIDNT U READ WHAT U POSTED, THE VERSE ABOVE SAYS, THE FATHER OF JESUS, MEANING THAT JESUS IS DIFFERENT FROM GOD. CANT U COMPREHEND?

Colossian 2:2 - That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
EXPLAIN PLS.

I Thessalonians 3:11 - Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you. EXPLAIN TOO. DID U MEANT THEY R EQUAL?

James 1:27 -  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

WHATS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THIS TO MY QUESTION?

Revelation 3:1 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

WHY QUOTING THIS TOO. (SEVEN SPIRITS MEANING FULLNESS OF GOD INDEED, SO GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS, WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN) U CAN SEE WHERE THE REMARKABLE VISION OF JOHN IS LEADING U (MIND U I STILL HAVE MORE IN YOUR REVELATION WHERE UR HIDING AS BEING THE WORD OF JESUS)!!!HAVING CONCLUDED THAT SEVEN SPIRITS MEANS FULLNESS OF GOD, MAYBE U WILL EXPLAIN THE BEASTS OF FULL EYES BEFORE AND BEHIND IN REV 4 V5

Wow babs thank you for acknowledging the Oneness in the Godhead, you really had to go study the bible hard to find this out, anyways the scriptures you have earlier outlined here goes to show a relationship between the Father God head, and the Holy Spirit and as well showing the relationship God has with the son which is Christ Jesus!

U SAID THE SCRIPTURES GOES A LONG WAY TO SHOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FATHER GOD HEAD AND RTHE HOLY SPIRIT AND SHOWING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND SON JESUS. WHY R U STILL ARGUING WHEN UVE ADMITTED IN UR STATEMENT ABOVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON. CAN THE SON BE THE FATHER TOO. PNDER ON IT TOO.

The perfect number of seven denotes fullness. He hath the fulness of the Spirit whom he sends into the earth to do his work. (Revelation 1:16) [/b]

CAN U BRING THE PROOF ON THE ABOVE THAT SHOWS SEVEN MEANS FULLNESS. ( I STILL HAVE MORE EXAMPLES FROM THE SO CALLED REVELATION)

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6There is only one throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2). Who sits upon it? We know Jesus does (Revelation 1:8,18, 4: . Where do the Father and the Holy Spirit sit?
Revelation 4:2 - And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

MEANING THAT JESUS IS DIFFERENT FROM GOD. HE WAS REFERRING TO GOD AS BEING THE ONE SITTING ON THE THRONE.

Revelation 1:8 -  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

LET ME ADD TO IT TOO
Revelation 1:11 in the KJV has a reference to Alpha and Omega as applied to Jesus Christ.
THIS TITLE IS ABSENT IN THE RSV AND THE ANCIENT TEXTS. IT APPEARS ONLY IN THE RECEPTUS AND HENCE THE KJV
HENCE THE ORIGINAL TEXT WHICH READS MORE OR LESS AS THE RSV:
REVELATION 1:11: SAYING, "WRITE WHAT YOU SEE IN A BOOK AND SEND IT TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES, TO EPHESUS AND TO SMYRNA AND TO PER'GAMUM AND TO THYATI'RA AND TO SARDIS AND TO PHILADELPHIA AND TO LA-ODICE'A." (RSV)
THIS TEXT BECOMES IN THE KJV:
REVELATION 1:11:  SAYING, I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST: AND, WHAT THOU SEEST, WRITE IN A BOOK, AND SEND IT UNTO THE SEVEN CHURCHES WHICH ARE IN ASIA; UNTO EPHESUS, AND UNTO SMYRNA, AND UNTO PERGAMOS, AND UNTO THYATIRA, AND UNTO SARDIS, AND UNTO PHILADELPHIA, AND UNTO LAODICEA. (KJV)
REVELATION 1:8 EXPLAINS THIS REFERENCE AS APPLYING TO GOD WHO REVELATION 1:6 SAYS IS THE GOD AND FATHER OF CHRIST.
REVELATION 1:8  "I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA," SAYS THE LORD GOD, WHO IS AND WHO WAS AND WHO IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY. (RSV)
WE SEE AGAIN THE KJV USING THE RECEPTUS DELETES THE WORDS HO THEOS OR THE GOD AND USES ONLY KURIOS OR LORD. THE TEXT THEN CARRIES THE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND FRAUDULENT INTENT OF BOTH TEXTS REFERRING TO CHRIST WHEN ALPHA AND OMEGA ARE DISTINCTLY VESTED IN THE LORD GOD AND FATHER OF CHRIST AND NOT APPLIED TO CHRIST AT ALL FROM THE BEGINNING.

Revelation 1:17 and 2:8 do not contain the words Alpha and Omega. They use protos and eschatos which imply another concept in distinction to the Alpha and Omega.
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, (RSV)
Revelation 2:8  "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: `The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (RSV)
THE TERMS PROTOS AND ESCHATOS CARRY THE CONCEPTS CONTAINED IN REVELATION 3:14 WHERE CHRIST IS THE ARCHE OR BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD AS PROTOTOKOS OR FIRST BEGOTTEN AS A SPIRITUAL SON. HE LATER BECAME THE ONLY BORN GOD OF JOHN 1:18 (AS THEOS OR ELOHIM OR MONOGENE THEOS).
LET ME STOP HERE BUT MORE ON THAT LATER IN ORDER NOT TO DEVIATE FROM THE MAIN QUESTION.

When the throne of God was revealed, the One that was stated in Revelations 4:2 is the God head himself not Jesus as you want to incite here, even Jesus himself said his place is at the right hand side of God the Father! Please refer to Revelation 3:21 for better understanding.

IF U KNOW ALL THESE, WHY SAYING JESUS IS GOD HAVING WRITTEN IT YOURSELF THAT JESUS’S PLACE IS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD AND NOT GOD’S POSITION, DON’T U UNDERSTAND?

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7 If Jesus is on the throne, how can He sit on the right hand of God? (Mark 16:19). Does He sit or stand on the right hand of God? (Acts 7:55). Or is He in the Father's bosom? (John 1:18).
Mark 16:19 - So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:55 -  But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Really babs are you this stupid and totally bereft of common nursery 1 comprehension   At various instances did each individual(Stephen in Acts and John in the book of John) have a vision of seeing Jesus and do note it was not at the same time, and whether he was standing or sitting down the fact still remains that each had seen Jesus on the right hand throne side of God!!!!!!
WHO IS STUPID BETWEEN U AND I. INFACT U R THE MOST STUPID AND MISCHIEVOUS CREATURE VE EVER DEALTH WITH. WHY BEATING ROUND THE BUSH. WHY R U SO SHORT OF UNDERSTANDING, WHY CONTINUING WALLOWING IN IGNORANCE. U CLAIMED TO BE KNOWLEDGEABE BUT ALAS U TURNED OUT TO BE A SHAME. HAVENT U BE FOLLOWING UR POST AND PARTICULARLY THE ONE POSTED UP HERE. U SAID JESUS IS GOD AND THAT HE TOOK HUMAN FORM IN ORDER TO COME TO THE EARTH AND PREACH TO PEOPLE (AS PUT BY MANY CHRISTIANS).
U CLAIMED THAT JESUS TURNED HIMSELF TO MAN IN ORDER TO COME TO THIS EARTH AND TALK TO PEOPLE. HE WAS GOD IN HEAVEN BUT TURNED HIMSELF TO MAN IN ORDER TO COME TO EARTH ABI. NOW DON’T U HAVE SENSES, WHEN HE DIED, DO U EXPECT HIM TO STILL HAVE THE HUMAN FORM IN HEAVEN COS HE NEVER NEEDED THE HUMAN FORM IN HEAVEN BUT ONLY ON EARTH, BUT FROM THE VERSE QUOTED ABOVE, AFTER HE HAD LEFT THE EARTH, THEY STILL SEE HIM IN HUMAN FORM AND SITTING NOT ON THE THRONE BUT AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF GOD.
IF HE IS GOD, HE IS SUPPOSED TO SIT ON THE THRONE, SITTING BY THE SIDE OF GOD SHOWS THAT THEY ARE SEPARATE BEING AND THAT GOD IS HIS LORD.
DON’T U HAVE SENSE. THINK MAN AND STOP CONTRADICTING YOURSELF

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8 Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus? Colossians 2:9 says the latter.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.I will answer it as thus: You must not be drawn from Christ. He is all in all. In him is the divine fullness (all divine power). In him as revealed was God in bodily form. Compare John 1:14.
BE SPECIFIC AND ANSWER MY QUESTION. I ASKED U IS JESUS THE GODHEAD OR GODHEAD IN JESUS BUT U NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I NEVER ASKED FOR BEING ALL IN ALL, U SAW THE BIBLICAL QUOTES AND U SAW MY QUESTION TOO. I NEED UR ANSWER

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9 Who raised Jesus from the dead? Did the Father (Ephesians 1:20), or Jesus (John 2:19-21), or the Spirit? (Romans 8:11).
Ephesians 1:19 - And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Ephesians 1:20 - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
John 2:19-21 - 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21. But he spake of the temple of his body.

To answer your question, Ephesians 1:20 has answered it. It is God at work babs!!!!

I CAN SEE THAT U ARE MORE DILLUSIONED THAN I EVER THINK. WHY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.
THE VERSE (EPHESIAN 1V20) SAID IT ALL AND U QUOTED IT AS WELL.IT SAYS HE RAISED JESUS AND SET HIM AT HIS RIGHT HAND SIDE AND NOT ON HIS VERY THRONE. NA WA FOR YOU, U STILL CANT COMPREHEND THAT GOD IS GREATER AND DIFFERENT FROM JESUS

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10.If Son and Holy Ghost are co-equal persons in the Godhead, why is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost unforgivable but blasphemy of the Son is not? (Luke 12:10).
Luke 12:10 - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Even though the holyspirit is as gentle as a dove, God knew the heart of man before time that it is desperatley wicked and could want to take the gentleness and meekness of the holyspirit for granted! In other words ascribing the work of the holyspirit to the devil is blasphemy!
Mt 12:31; Mk 3:28
MY BROTHER ( U BE REAL CUNNY MAN). U READ THE QUESTION BUT UR RESPONSE WAS OFF THE TRACK. WAS IT HOLY SPIRIT ALONE THEY TOOK FOR GRSNTED, DIDN’T THEY TOOK SON OF MAN FOR GRANTED TOO? WHY  FORGIVEN THAT AGAINST SON OF MAN AND LEAVING THAT OF HOLY SPIRIT. IF HOLY GHOST AND SON OF MAN ARE EQUAL, SPEAKING AGAINST ANY OF THEM SHOULD BE BLASPHEMOUS WHICH WILL SHOW THAT THEY R BOTH EQUAL. BUT HERE IT SHOWED THAT HOLY SPIRIT IS GREATER THAN THE SON OF MAN ABI NO BE SO.

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11. If the Holy Ghost is a co-equal member of the trinity, why does the Bible always speak of Him being sent from the Father, or from Jesus? (John 14:26; 15:26).
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Oh babs oh babs oh babs,
I know you know that Jesus was sent from Father to reconcile the heart of Man back to God, here on earth, so what confuses you now?, when we have the third head of the trinity who is the holyspirit sent by God to those who will accept the Lordship of Jesus here on earth as their guide as the scripture above refers?

U ARE MORE OR LESS BABA SUWE OR MR LATIN (NIGERIAN COMEDIANS). UVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I HAVENT SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT JESUS WASN’T SENT FROM GOD, IN FACT THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE OPENING OF THIS THREAD. WE BOTH AGREED TO THRASH OUT THIS TOPIC ON ANOTHER THREAD AND I OPENED THIS THREAD. I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU FROM THE BEGINNING THAT JESUS WAS SENT FROM GOD BUT U CLAIMED HE WAS GOD HIMSELF.U CAN SEE YOURSELF NOW, VERY DILLUSIONED. NA REAL WA O
MIND YOU, IF YOU DON’T KNOW, THE ABOVE VERSE WASN’T REFERING TO JESUS BUT TO WHO WILL COME AFTER HIM.
THE QUESTION STILL IS “IS HOLY SPIRIT GOD”? AND IF ITS EQUAL TO GOD, WHY WAS IT SENT FROM GOD.
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12.Does the Father know something that the Holy Spirit does not know? If so, how can they be co-equal? Only the Father knows the day and hour of the Second Coming of Christ (Mark 13:32).
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son,but the Father.
Please refer to question 2 where this same question as been dealt with as well.[/b]

ALSO REFER TO QUESTION FOR MY RESPONSE TOO. NA WA HOLY SPIRIT IS UNAWARE OF LAST DAY DESPITE BEING GOD.

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13. if jesus and God are same and one, who was jesus praying to at Gethsemane?
Please refer to question 1 for the answer but just incase you don't understand what i just meant now, the answer is God.

WONDERS SHALL NEVER END, PROFESSOR PATAKI, GOD ON EARTH PRAYED TO GOD IN HEAVEN AND THE GOD IN HEAVEN SENT SPIRIT TO GOD ON EARTH (HAVING HEARD GOD’S ON EARTH’S PRAYER) TO STRENGHTEN HIM AGAINST DEATH. NA WA OOOOOOOOOO

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14. when jesus was crucified, whom did he shouted to that "why has thou forsaken me"?

Kai kai, babs787,
What English is this?
It was to his Father!
U CAN ASK YOUR BIBLE FOR THE MEANING OF THE ENGLISH
Matt.27:46-50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
JESUS (GOD ON EARTH) CRIED TO GOD IN HEAVEN FOR HIS NEGLECTING HIM TO DIE.
IF THEY ARE EQUAL AND ALSO SAME, NO NEED FOR HIM TO PRAY TO GOD IN HEAVEN SINCE HE IS SAME.

U CLAIMED THAT JESUS IS ALSO GOD BUT FAILED IN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS ASKED YOU RATHER YOU CONTINUED NAILING AND CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. FUNNY ENOUGH, YOUR BROTHER MALIK WAS EVEN PRAISING YOU HAVING FAILED IN PROVIDING EXPLANATION TO THE QUESTIONS ABOVE.WONDERS SHALL NEVER END.

U NEED TO BURY YOUR HEAD.

NA FOR YOU, MAY GOD FORGIVE U FOR ALL UR BLASPHEMOUS STATEMENTS AGAINST GOD BY ASCRIBING JESUS TO BE GOD.

AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE. JESUS IS A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM GOD, HE WAS SENT FROM GOD AND CANNOT BE GOD.

shahan,

i need your proof

barka de salah

ndipe,

also "WAS CHRIST (JESUS) CRUCIFIED WILL BE ON ANOTHER THREAD.

ndipe,

ve gone through your site posted, of what significance is it to my post. it was about passover, resurrection, communion, burial. always go through any thread before u make any contribution.

ndipe,

what is the meaning of all u wrote. of what relevance is ur quote to what i said. what is the relationship.

be specific pls

backslider,

thanks but no thanks.

which hadith did u asked?

which biblical post did u provide, can u please re-post it?

what do u mean by "JUST" elaborate pls. where did i say i left cos of sect. go through the post again and read the below.

now to your other post, it may be true that islam has sects but not like christianity and i will shed more light on that now. even if sunnis and shitte are fighting, it has nothing to do with islam and my faith,u r bound to find extremist in every religion (its the truth).

also what is the relationship between someone dying in a toilet and religion?

1.now, be u ahmaddiya or ansar ul deen and regardless of your sect, we are still binded by the five pillars of islam, do we have that in christianity?

2. regardless of sects, we still recite the same quran, do we recite same bible in christianity. u urself is quite aware that each sect with its own bible.

3. why do some bible have 66 books and some 73, which of the two will God's curse be on as in revelation where God cursed anyone that add or remove from it BUT QURAN HAS NO SUCH THING.

4. regardless of the author of the quran, we have the same number of chapters and verses but unlike bible, some verses in a bible are expunged in another bible e.g

IN KING JAMES VERSION we have
Mathew 17 v21: howbeit this kind goesnot out but by prayer and fasting.

THE ABOVE VERSE WAS OMITTED IN REVISED STANDARD VERSION, GOOD NEWS BIBLE, , LIVING BIBLE VERSION, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION,

WHY IS IT SO.

ALSO WE HAVE MARK 9V44: WHERE THEIR WARM DIES NOT AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED BUT THIS IS MISSING IN REVISED STANDARD VERSION, GOOD NEWS BIBLE, , LIVING BIBLE VERSION, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION,

WHY IS IT SO.

ALSO LUKE 9V56: FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY'S MAN LIFE BUT TO SAVE.

THE ABOVE MISSING IN REVISED STANDARD VERSION, GOOD NEWS BIBLE, , LIVING BIBLE VERSION, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION,

WHY AGAIN ETC, I STILL HAVE EXAMPLES and that of even changed phrase

5. regardless of your sect, u can observe your solat in any mosque but let me ask you, can white garment enter CAC to worship with the garment or can jehovah witness worship with protestant or can catholic worship with protestant?

6. in islam regardless  of ur sect, we still believe in LAILA ILAH LAH MUHAMMAD ROSULULAH ( THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER (SAW), DO WE HAVE SUCH  unity in christianity. some sects believe that jesus is God while some are saying no, some are saying he was tied to a stake, some said he was crucified while some blieved in neither of the two. some believe in trinity while some dont.

LET ME REST MY CASE THERE, IF YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING MY POSTS, U WOULD HAVE READ ON SONSHIP, JESUS AS SAVIOUR (DID HE DIED FOR OUR SIN, CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE, IS JESUS GOD, ETC. many christians failed in providing proof or evidence to back up their claims, even those that tried answering, their answers didnt tally with each other, they were given response based on their own opinion but neglecting verses from the bible.

once again, christians claimed that moses wrote the old testament, let me ask you, did he write his own obituary as in
deutronomy 34v5: so moses the servant of the Lord died in the land of Moab according to the word of the Lord. and he buried him in a valley, but no man knew his sepulchure unto this day. and moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died.

pls go through the construction of the verse and tell me if Moses wrote his own death.

once again backslider, we are brothers but different religion, in all sincerity, if i want to go for a religion based on "simplity". by simplity i meant a religion in which i wont have to dedicate nearly 24 hours for God, i would choose christianity. there is no specialty attached to being born again. as your normally put it, christianity is all about accepting jesus as your lord and saviour. keep this up by doing good.

in christianity u r free. free in the sense that u dont have to purify urself if you wee wee but in islam u have to before u pray to Allah and also in any state of impurity u cant observe your prayer BUT LET ME ASK U A QUESTION, IN ISLAM, IF U WANT TO OBSERVE 4pm PRAYER AND U HAVENT OBSERVE THAT OF 2pm, U HAVE TO OBSERVE THAT OF 2pm BEFORE THAT OF 4pm. in a CHURCH, SERVICE STARTS BY 10am and ENDS BY 2pm. U ARRIVED AT THE CHURCH BY 1.45pm.since u are there to pray, how do u atone for that lost hours in order to balance up.

also u know what they call supplication, in islam, u can supplicate anywhere with or without your rossary as even done by catholics, how do christians supplicate.

Backslider, lets forget about personal hatred towards a religion, for the fact that some muslims behave bad doesnt mean that ISLAM is bad. the way we have bad people in ISLAM SO also we have in CRISTIANITY too. u dont worship God cos of certain people or whatever.

maybe i didnt include in my earlier post when i was about reverting to islam, i went with my questions to reverend and pastors in the church thinking that they will provide solution to my answer but alas, they behaved same way u have been, turning and evading questions.

lest i forget, some christians made it a habit of quoting wrong verses from the quran in which the like of babyosis, havila etc have posted here without going through to verify. MUST THEY QUOTE WRONG VERSES IN OTHER TO BRING PEOPLE TO A RELIGION?. it shouldnt be.

let me rest my case here, am always available for a discussion having both quranic and biblical proof.

a word is enough for the wise. looking forward to hearing from you.

M4malik,

the topic is still lying unaswered. why not answer the questions asked you before changing over. the questions hasnt been answered. answer the questions and am waiting for your response.

shahan,

muske asked a good question, the author threw a question but all malik could do was ask another questions thereby nullifying the  earlier post, why not answer the question in all sincerity and what questions do you asked that hasnt been answered?

babyosis,

why not mellow down and go through the site posted to you by firdaus on the authentication of your bible, the authors, etc including some books that are not included in the bible but mentioned as part of the book (maybe the holy spirit didnt remember to inspire them to put them during the compilation) (there is evidence if u need, request for it).

u were quoting verses from the quran that refer to torah and Injeel and that Allah said we should believe in them. let me ask you, was Paul's, john's sayings, etc part of Torah given to jesus.

have u for one day try to ponder on your bible. Allah didnt say we should believe in the bible. there is a difference between the bible and the torah. the torah is the revelation given to jesus while the bible is a compilation of books or do u add acts of apostle, revelation etc as part of the torah or sayings of jesus?

@mrpataki,

thanks for remembering the author. the author is still very much around but decided to hold on till u r able to put urself together.

from the beginning of this thread till this very moment, i noticed that u have not been able to explain and answer even a single question posed at you.

when i first asked u and brought up this thread, u came with organogram but u and tayod failed in explaining your organogram.

also, u concluded then that i shoudnt bother myself asking questions that jesus is God  and you  concluded with a verse in which jesus said "i and father are one" but i still asked u again that if that statement could make jesus to be God, what of other verse in which jesus said he and the disciples are one. U DIVERTED TO ANOTHER ISSUE.

lastly i asked u questions in which u ignored too. now, to buttress your claim that jesus is God, i want you to still answer this questions

1.If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?

2 Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32).

3 Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38).

4.Did "God the Son" die? The Bible says the Son died (Romans 5:10). If so, can God die? Can part of God die?

5. Can there be more than three persons in the Godhead? Certainly the Old Testament does not teach three but emphasizes oneness. If the New Testament adds to the Old Testament message and teaches three persons, then what is to prevent subsequent revelations of additional persons? If we apply trinitarian logic to interpret some verses of Scripture, we could teach a fourth person (Isaiah 48:16; Colossians 1:3; 2:2; I Thessalonians 3:11; James 1:27). Likewise, we could interpret some verses of Scripture to mean six more persons (Revelation 3:1; 5:6).

6There is only one throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2). Who sits upon it? We know Jesus does (Revelation 1:8,18, 4: . Where do the Father and the Holy Spirit sit?

7 If Jesus is on the throne, how can He sit on the right hand of God? (Mark 16:19). Does He sit or stand on the right hand of God? (Acts 7:55). Or is He in the Father's bosom? (John 1:18).

8 Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus? Colossians 2:9 says the latter.

9 Who raised Jesus from the dead? Did the Father (Ephesians 1:20), or Jesus (John 2:19-21), or the Spirit? (Romans 8:11).

10.If Son and Holy Ghost are co-equal persons in the Godhead, why is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost unforgivable but blasphemy of the Son is not? (Luke 12:10).

11. If the Holy Ghost is a co-equal member of the trinity, why does the Bible always speak of Him being sent from the Father, or from Jesus? (John 14:26; 15:26).

12.Does the Father know something that the Holy Spirit does not know? If so, how can they be co-equal? Only the Father knows the day and hour of the Second Coming of Christ (Mark 13:32).

13. if jesus and God are same and one, who was jesus praying to at Gethsemane?

14. when jesus was crucified, whom did he shouted to that "why has thou forsaken me"?

ONE AFTER THE ONE, TAKE YOUR TIME IN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, M4MALIK AND SHAHAN CAN ASSIST YOU TOO

@sokism,

with reference to your post, i will be very appreciative if you can shed more light on how sins can be forgiven.

tayod,

babs787,

You are still here? Can you for one just accept what Jeus said by declaring "I and my Father are One." If you do, do you still think the others verses are incomprehensible?

I CAN SEE THAT U R STILL WALLOWING IN IGNORANCE. u and your cohortsfailed in answering simple question andproviding answer to simple logic.

u quoted the above for me as being the reason that made jesus to be God. if as a result of jesus saying that heand father are one made him tobe God, why not think and apply john 17v21 too, maybe it will awaken you and stop uttering more blasphemous statement.

i could remember u failed in proving explanation to first iquoted, rather u startedbeating about the bush when i told u to use the same perimeter for the two.

likewise the above statement, if jesus couldbe God as a resulf of the above statement, why not apply to the below, maybe uwill tell me then that God isalso disciples and vice versa.

john 17v21: that they (disciples) all may be be one, as thou, father art in me and i in thee, that they may also be one in us.


THE EARLIER U KNOW, THEBETTER FOR YOU.

IN ADDITION,I ASKED U SOME QUESTIONS, U IGNOREDTHEM. KINDLY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS REVEREND TAYOD. NO NEED TO RUN FROM THE QUESTIONS

tayod,

babs787,

You are still here? Can you for one just accept what Jeus said by declaring "I and my Father are One." If you do, do you still think the others verses are incomprehensible?

I CAN SEE THAT U R STILL WALLOWING IN IGNORANCE. u and your cohortsfailed in answering simple question andproviding answer to simple logic.

u quoted the above for me as being the reason that made jesus to be God. if as a result of jesus saying that heand father are one made him tobe God, why not think and apply john 17v21 too, maybe it will awaken you and stop uttering more blasphemous statement.

i could remember u failed in proving explanation to first iquoted, rather u startedbeating about the bush when i told u to use the same perimeter for the two.

likewise the above statement, if jesus couldbe God as a resulf of the above statement, why not apply to the below, maybe uwill tell me then that God isalso disciples and vice versa.

john 17v21: that they (disciples) all may be be one, as thou, father art in me and i in thee, that they may also be one in us.


THE EARLIER U KNOW, THEBETTER FOR YOU.

tayod,

i noticed that uve not been able to answer all the verses posed at you rather u gave and directed to another verse which u failed to provide explanation to.
i ask you again

If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?

If Jesus is on the throne, how can He sit on the right hand of God? (Mark 16:19). Does He sit or stand on the right hand of God? (Acts 7:55). Or is He in the Father's bosom? (John 1:18).

Who raised Jesus from the dead? Did the Father (Ephesians 1:20), or Jesus (John 2:19-21), or the Spirit? (Romans 8:11).

If Son and Holy Ghost are co-equal persons in the Godhead, why is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost unforgivable but blasphemy of the Son is not? (Luke 12:10).

If the Holy Ghost is a co-equal member of the trinity, why does the Bible always speak of Him being sent from the Father, or from Jesus? (John 14:26; 15:26).

Does the Father know something that the Holy Spirit does not know? If so, how can they be co-equal? Only the Father knows the day and hour of the Second Coming of Christ (Mark 13:32).

tayod,

huh, God talking to himself!!!

my brother, stop beating aroud the bush. u posted this
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. You can see that the reason why Jesus can wield authority on earth is because he is the Son of Man.

DIDNT U COMPREHEND THE VERSE U QUOTED?
Father gave son authority to execute judgment cos he's the son of man.

based on your post above, u would have seen clearly that father is different from son.are u still equating the two?

father gave son authority, does that mean they r same?