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Ballzproblem2:
I do not see Eren as hero nor villain I see him as protagonist ready to do what's necessary to save the people he love instead of turning the other cheek why Marley and other countries infiltrate them ,in others words Eren is realistic to me that's why I like him:"do me I do you man no go vex".

that's fair enough...
I was just pointing out that his primary reason wasn't to save his people...he did it mainly for himself first and then his people

I also love how Reiner and Armin theorized that Eren was suffering...the weight of his sins affecting him...
At the same time, he was giving them a choice...

Whether to stop him or not? To see what they would choose. That's why Reiner said maybe deep down, Eren wanted to be stopped by his friends

in addition to the above post...

I just had to clarify that because a lot of casual fans simply think of Eren as a hero turning evil to save his friends...

While that is true...it is merely a layer of his character...and not his primary reason for the Rumbling

In all Eren did the Rumbling for several reasons:

His childish obsession with Freedom
To enable his friends live long lives
To end the Titan curse


I hope the post I made above post clarifies things for y'all... although you're free to disagree and you are free to support Eren

Ballzproblem2
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I had to clarify that because a lot of casual fans simply think of Eren as a hero turning evil to save his friends...

While that is true...it is merely a layer of his character...and not his primary reason for the Rumbling

In all Eren did the Rumbling for several reasons:

His childish obsession with Freedom
To enable his friends live long lives
To end the Titan curse

Every AOT fan should actually read this...my short analysis

There gave been different analysis of the character of Eren Yeager. This is a character with so much layers that people mix up what is on the surface with what is within.

It doesn't help that he lies a lot. He's been confirmed to lie to Armin, Mikasa, Floch, Zeke etc so different characters have different idea of what he's thinking

Zeke thought he supported the Euthanasia plan, after the betrayal, Zeke believed he was manipulated by Grisha
Armin and Mikasa once thought Eren was manipulated by Zeke too


But here is my short opinion on his character
To do this, I'll separate the truth from the lies.

The only time Eren is truly honest in season 4 so far is when he was speaking to Ramzi...the refugee kid who couldn't even understand him.
Even Isayama has confirmed this that it is the true Eren...what he confirmed was Eren in chapter 139 which chapter 139 occured in the same time period as chapter 131 which is when he spoke to Ramzi in the latest episode

At that point Eren was at his lowest point, overcome with self hatred and guilt for what he's about to do

But he still does it.

Not because he is forced to (some people falsely believe Eren had no choice...that is false)
Eren knew he would save Ramzi from those oppressing and beating him, and he still decided to do it
Eren knew he would end up killing Ramzi...and he still decided to do it...

Eren did things cos he wanted to... Because of his childhood obsession with Freedom. It all started from his birth up to his dreams and Armin's book...

No doubt, part of his reason is still to make his friends live long lives. But if that was the main reason, he wouldn't allow his actions put them in danger...
This is the same way ending the Titan Curse is a secondary reason and not a primary reason for the Rumbling...


Eren is obsessed with his twisted idea of what freedom entails...

Here is what he said to Ramzi:

"To save the Island...to save Eldia...
But there is more to this...
The Reality of the World Outside the Walls was different from the world I dreamed of...
It was different from the world I saw in Armin's book...
When I learnt that humanity was alive outside the walls...I was disappointed"



If you tie this back to Kenny Ackerman's speech in Season 3 that "Everyone is a slave to something"

What I'm saying in summary is that Eren is a slave to his meaning of "Freedom" without even realizing it himself


That is why at the end of the latest episode, Armin asks Eren:
"In what way are you free?"

Every AOT fan should actually read this...my short analysis

It's actually funny watching different analysis of the character of Eren Yeager. This is a character with so much layers that people mix up what is on the surface with what is within.

It doesn't help that he lies a lot. He's been confirmed to lie to Armin, Mikasa, Floch, Zeke etc so different characters have different idea of what he's thinking

Zeke thought he supported the Euthanasia plan, after the betrayal, Zeke believed he was manipulated by Grisha
Armin and Mikasa once thought Eren was manipulated by Zeke too


But here is my short opinion on his character
To do this, I'll separate the truth from the lies.

The only time Eren is truly honest in season 4 so far is when he was speaking to Ramzi...the refugee kid who couldn't even understand him.
Even Isayama has confirmed this that it is the true Eren...what he confirmed was Eren in chapter 139 which chapter 139 occured in the same time period as chapter 131 which is when he spoke to Ramzi in the latest episode

At that point Eren was at his lowest point, overcome with self hatred and guilt for what he's about to do

But he still does it.

Not because he is forced to (some people falsely believe Eren had no choice...that is false)
Eren knew he would save Ramzi from those oppressing and beating him, and he still decided to do it
Eren knew he would end up killing Ramzi...and he still decided to do it...

Eren did things cos he wanted to... Because of his childhood obsession with Freedom. It all started from his birth up to his dreams and Armin's book...

No doubt, part of his reason is still to make his friends live long lives. But if that was the main reason, he wouldn't allow his actions put them in danger...
This is the same way ending the Titan Curse is a secondary reason and not a primary reason for the Rumbling...


Eren is obsessed with his twisted idea of what freedom entails...

Here is what he said to Ramzi:

"To save the Island...to save Eldia...
But there is more to this...
The Reality of the World Outside the Walls was different from the world I dreamed of...
It was different from the world I saw in Armin's book...
When I learnt that humanity was alive outside the walls...I was disappointed"



If you tie this back to Kenny Ackerman's speech in Season 3 that "Everyone is a slave to something"

What I'm saying in summary is that Eren is a slave to his meaning of "Freedom" without even realizing it himself


That is why at the end of the latest episode, Armin asks Eren:
"In what way are you free?"

As much as I love One Piece, it does have its flaws...
And for me some of the major ones are how repititive some arcs are...
The main cast too follow the same pattern once they land on an Island

Another one is lack of deaths and character designs
Lack of deaths really kill the stakes for me the shows...
Every show has plot armor, and I don't mind that...but when it's made apparent that no one can die...(except Ace)...it kills the stakes to me even when characters are in a bad situation

E.g if Nami were to face Kaido...I know she'd get beaten but she won't die...
That kills stakes

Wainey:
Don't get me wrong.
Naruto and bleach are great mangas but you can't compare it to One-piece.
Naruto already got recognized and loved by all in the village after defeating paid , all those obsession over Sasuke we're unnecessary and a waste of chapters.
Sakura becoming a bitch crying over Sasuke's Everytime was 100% annoying and adds nothing to the story.
Anybody can take a pen and write a story similar to naruto, but you have to be a genius to write a story as cool as One-piece which gets people glued to every chapter.
Nevertheless they are both great mangas but One-piece is on a league of it's own

Naruto did not deem himself worthy of being a Hokage if he cannot save his best friend...
That was clear from the series...
It was a personal goal and not unnecessary

Sakura was always a bîtch...Sasuke even made that clear in like episode 3 or so
Even after she tried learning to redeem herself she still made several wrong choices even when she had good intentions...

She made these wrong choices cos she failed to understand both Naruto and Sasuke...that is a character flaw...not bad writing... Because the story itself acknowledges it...
I hate Sakura too but that's not a writing flaw

Anybody can write Naruto? What?

Even the story aside...look at the lore alone...all the concepts inspired from different mythologies...
Naruto also created some of the most iconic characters and villains in anime
What about shinobi battle strategies and tactics...? Or powers?

I think you're letting the flaws of the War Arc and Boruto blind you...

If not for these arcs, no one would say shiit about Naruto

Despite the fact that due to some beef, some Arab One Piece fans on Twitter and Facebook were creating over 500 accounts to downvote the episode with 1 Star even before it aired...
The ratings are still good

What do people gain from this?
This dude created over 500 accounts just to give 1 Star rating to an episode even before it aired...
And some of his followers did the same

All because of online beef with fans of the show

As for Bleach, I have to say that Ichigo's goal is to protect his friends

What path exactly is he to take to do that?

Ichigo's main goal is the reason why the events around him move the plot and not Ichigo himself...
If nothing happens, Ichigo will stay who he is...happy and chilling with his friends while being a substitute shinigami

Just because a main character's goal does not make for a definite plot, that does not mean the author does not plan things out

Ichigo doesn't start events...rather he reacts to events


That is not bad writing... Because not all stories must follow the same pattern of writing

Wainey:
one piece is a masterpiece.
The authors in Naruto and bleach looks like they didn't have a solid story line before they started drawing the manga as the story shifts from one line to another therefore the suspense just disappears and the only thing that gets people glued to it is the fights.
In one-piece, since from chapter one, we already have an idea about the storyline the manga is offering us, then the suspense keep building and never drop, as we begin to unlock the mysteries without moving away from the main story, everything arc has a connection to raftel, the fights is just an extra icing on the cake.

Naruto and bleach on the other hand moves away from it's initial story and picks up another story in the middle of the manga.
They should have ended Naruto after pain arc and end bleach after the soul society arc cos what follows next we're totally different stories.

I agree slightly with Bleach...
Why slightly is cos there is still some pretty good foreshadowing in Bleach...
So it's hard to say the mangaka didn't have a plan, just that it wasn't as solid


But I vastly disagree about Naruto. There was a clear path with Naruto. And Naruto should not have ended after the Pain Arc...that doesn't even make sense at all...
There was still so much to resolve


And Naruto does not follow the conventional storytelling method that One Piece follows...
The path to be recognized by his village is not the same path as to be a Pirate King and get the One Piece

Getting the One Piece, there is at least some clear path, e.g getting a crew, crossing to the Grand Line, finding the poneglyphs etc

In Naruto, what is the clear path that being accepted, recognized or valued by your villagers? Naruto chose to be a Hokage...what is the clear path to be an Hokage?

Naruto's dream did not have a clear path of achievement and so the story can never have a clear route to achieve it...
Compare that to One Piece and ATLA who literally have their path spelt out to them


Naruto's problem was from the War arc... particularly the later parts...

Every other thing before that was solid writing and planned...
It was clearly foreshadowed... everything from the Akatsuki to Itachi...
Even to Naruto and Sasuke's Fate was clearly foreshadowed...

All the symbolism about even their battle at the Waterfall of Truth

People nowadays tend to disrespect Naruto cos of the War arc...and while I agree it was a mess...it doesn't change how good everything before it was

Another criticism I consider invalid is the take about "side characters"


Again this is very worthless criticism as some people chose to overestimate the importance of these characters. People like Shino, Choji, Lee were never meant to play a major part of the story...
They played their part in bringing up the main characters but that's it...they are merely colleagues and side characters
Their role can literally be compared to the many other side characters Luffy met in various Islands that were important in one arc and were gone by the next arc

The main cast was always Team 7...that has never changed...and after they passed the roles of their colleagues ....they moved on to being influenced by other characters like the Akatsuki and other shinobi from different villages

The 3rd invalid criticism is World Building

Naruto has good world building but not top tier and it does not need to be top tier...it was adequate and that is enough

I've said this before that world building just for the sake of world building is pointless and a waste of time if it adds nothing to the story

Naruto is not an adventure or travel story. Almost the entire part 1 took place in Konoha or Land of Fire
It's pointless to develop 1 million cultures of places that were never visited...
When these other villages actually had roles to play, e.g during the Pain Arc and the Kage Meeting Arc, then they were developed to the extent necessary and even most had their past/present leaders and past/present policies or practices developed

If you recall, neither Naruto nor the main cast visited most of these places...
Compare that to One Piece where they travel from Island to Island

TheMaterialist:
Which is Your Favourite Anime,
Out of the Big Three?

• Naruto

• One Piece

• Bleach


For me it is OnePiece, i intend to finish it before
I leave this world.

Naruto
But all 3 are goated to me

Dexter08:
Grow up man!!!

People worst than you derailed this thread and yet the thread still stood, like them you will soon slide in to obscurity.

Don't worry kid, it is your time enjoy it.

the fact that you are so pained is funny

youngking22:
The anime

it's on animepahe dot com

Search for Attack on Titan
S1
S2
S3 Part 1
S3 Part 2
Final Season Part 1,2,3

Blueelf:
But seriously, erthodlt and reiver, what's up with those 2?

Heroes or villains

I'm still in S1 but nearly done

Bertholdt and Reiner

Why do you want spoilers?
Why not watch and determine for yourself

Dexter08:
Guy honestly you do need to grow up.

Funny thing is most of your reviews here are usually subpar. Dey form say you be intellectual.

Grow up man!!! Attention seeking has never done anyone any good.

Smh.

Keep crying.

youngking22:
Hi

Where can I download from

download what exactly?

Theyemmie:
You people have messed up this thread
Is there no thread for anime ni?
I used come to this thread to find series to download
But now every where is full of anime
It makes absolutely no sense

more tears pls

You've not cried enough

Blueelf:
That bonde annie na bastard

Kai.....


just nearly wiped out an enire surve corp expedition

she actually didn't attack anyone that didn't want to stop her

Why has the ground in my house been vibrating since morning?

I don't know who is drilling something somewhere

It's giving me Rumbling vibes

Woke Hollywood

armadeo:
That scene was horrifying. The preceeding scenes of innocence and pure ignorance of the horrors to come was saddening. We can see the true horrors of war depicted there.

Hange was epic!!!!!

funny the scene was censored in the anime

I heard it will be uncensored in the Blu-ray Sha
The image below is how it looks in the manga:



Hange was the MVP this episode...she was too epic
And the Titans that slipped and fell on each other were funny

Ballzproblem2:
oh I have that episode I will rewatch it thanks,no wonder they're devoid of emotions cause no way a human will participate in that ,he will find way to break Eren command

it's the Ymir Fritz backstory episode

Ballzproblem2:
woah , nawao what are they made of?

they were made by Ymir Fritz in the paths in response to the will of the first King of the walls, Karl Fritz

It was shown in S4E21: From You 2000 years ago

Is Antman Quantumania officially a bomb?

Ballzproblem2:
I'm was talking about the drawing you showed me the ones when they where forming the wall of course look terrifying are there actual humans in there? so they were in stasis for long ,no food water or even light

the wall Titans aren't made of humans oh

Ballzproblem2:
man the rumbling was much easier in my head until I watched a kid skull getting crushed by a Titan I was "eren why are you doing this?'", another sad part was hange death lol she exploded woke up only to see herself among her dead comrades that's when it hit her that she was dead

This is funny because they purposely skipped the worst scenes of the Rumbling...
And reserved those for the next episode


I'm waiting to see those who will support it after those scenes

Ballzproblem2:
ok ,see as the Titans here look presentable lol

what are you saying bro?
Titans always look very friendly and presentable


Look how friendly the Titan on the left looks
Definitely doesn't have any evil intentions

Ballzproblem2:
the first picture was when the Titans went to form the walls I think

no...it's the rumbling
It was foreshadowed since S2...in the ED song I believe


Image below is when Titans formed walls

Miracood2:
Ok.. I thought it has no colour. Like those cinema version of movies.

no, it has colour

The only part that is white and black is the ending song...
The ED is black and white only

Crumbian:
Na by force?

it's probably a bit

Very annoying...they've been spamming all the TV threads