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Kennedy97:
Why do I feel Rod and Mads where targetted by Verna

It's quite weird that bar happened to have popped new years eve of 1980

isn't that obvious?

They saw pictures of her alongside other great people in history

BlackManta:
Is it the last episode? The finale?

They keep dragging it out, I don't know when it's ending

it's the final episode...

Gonna be 85 minutes long

zoroby:
This is the darkest villain. Thanos dey learn work

source?

First look at ‘SNOW WHITE’, starring Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot.

In theaters on March 21, 2025.


They finally changed it back to dwarves. But CGI dwarves

This is what I call: Movie level production

This is what I call: Movie level production

4th November...
We are witnessing peak fiction!!!

Can't wait

We are witnessing peak fiction!!!

Attack on Titan final trailer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7WytLM2KvY?si=UNgp_nfuEZ7dyAcZ

Attack on Titan final trailer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7WytLM2KvY?si=UNgp_nfuEZ7dyAcZ

Achilles100:
So I'll try to answer some of your questions sha or should I say have a conversation about the show.

1. The Bluff: While Roderick and his sister were portrayed as smart, the only the took the bluff seriously was because the prosecutor has always been a man who follows the letter of the law never venturing in the gray or even outright lying. He has been on their matter for decades and has never done anything that would cause them to doubt what he said.

If I remember correctly, Roderick laughed when he told him it was a bluff, cos it was least expected from the upright man that is the prosecutor, I think he said something about I finally got you into the mud with me or so.

2. Wife's silliness: It can only be assumed that she might have been a wild cat in her day, and when her husband brother made his pitch, perhaps it brought back fond memories for her, hence her decision to go ahead.

3. The 'unbotheredness': While it was selfish, I think it stems from the fact the the bastards kept dying first, so the main children didn't really mind cos they always saw them as undeserving , remember the scene when the three main children had a talk in a bar, how the bastards didn't know they were children of a billionaire I suppose till they were 18 or 21. So in their eyes, the rush of the wealth and fame finally got to the them.

Also a scene when Lenore's father was telling her that it just the bastards, that nothing will happen to them.

4. The venue: I can't remember from the top of my head though but I have seen movies/series where if a high profile individual tells you he wants to confess, usually they want it on their turf. At least this one his assistant is even aware that he is going.

You must have movies/series where even journalists sneaks out without telling anyone where they are going cos they want to break a story whether its to meet criminals or the wealthy. Always bothers me , like why would you put your job over your safety, happens a lot so...

With these few points of mine, I hope I have been able to confuse you

1. This was stated by characters in the show. However the show portrayed a different thing. The prosecutor had them steal confidential documents to take down the company. Using illegal means of photocopying confidential documents by sneaking late at night...all just to build up a case.
That is not the letter of the law

2. I don't have too much of a problem with 2 as I stated earlier...it does happen in real life where konji makes people make the most sîlly decisions

3. I don't think this flies as an excuse for that level of unbotherness. If 3 members of their family die in a week...there is serious cause to worry. Even if they hate or don't regard them, it is normal for humans to worry when deaths surround them suddenly and in a short span of time.

It didn't end at 3 deaths,...it went to 4,5 and 6...
Even by the 5th death, the last sibling didn't seem to care or be worried.

That is highly unrealistic no matter how much drugs he takes.

4. For this. I think the prosecutor made a very silly decision based on the circumstances and their relationship.

He had no reason to trust someone who seriously played him before and almost cost him his career.

The same person who he knows has a Hitman on his payroll. Same person that he knows has committed so many murders and gotten away with it...same person who has caused the death of thousands or millions worldwide without a care in the world.

And same person who he suspects is now mentally unstable due to losing his 6 children in the span of 2 weeks...and had a viable reason to blame him for it (based on the prosecutor's knowledge, not the audience)
The prosecutor could believe it started when he said there was an informat among the siblings

Baddestguyp:
8 days to go until peak returns

Also, the Final trailer of Attack on Titan is coming tonight.

I think it's around 2am or 3am in Nigerian time

I'm staying awake for it. Hopefully it will be around 2 minutes long...

But I don't see how they will make a trailer without massive spoilers to be honest.

Literally anything they show will be massive spoilers...

The episode will be just 1 hour 25 minutes long

8 days to go until peak returns

8 days to go until peak returns

The Fall of the House of Usher.... 7.8/10


Horror genre.

Great story. They paid the price for a deal they took long ago. Forty years.

The title already gives away the plot so there isn't much to say about it.

The issue I complained about earlier was the choice to sacrifice characters for the story. The Usher family were not geniuses that much is clear. Even a member of the family said that they didn't do anything themselves...they simply paid people to do things...

Some of them called the fact that they got away with things "power"...some called it "luck"...
But in reality it was a deal made years ago...

However, even before the deal, Roderick and his sister were pretty smart. They had played some smart cards...and who knows, they might or might not have gotten away with it...
But they didn't take their chances...they took the deal.


My issue with the characters stem from the fact that they made weird decisions even though we the viewers know it won't change their fate. And it kept bugging me... especially cos I look at stories from different perspectives

One of that was how seriously they took the prosecutor's bluff. It was literally the most obvious bluff either. Even a 10 years old child would be 90% sure it was a bluff...
But Roderick and his sister who were shown to be smart even before the whole deal...somehow took it so seriously that they put a bounty on it...

I mean, there's literally no benefit to a snitch...the prosecutor would never reveal that in his opening address too if it was real...
And with all their connections, they would have found out the snitch if it was real...

Yet they somehow fell for it hook, line and sinker...

I've outlined the whole issue with the picture so I won't repeat myself.

The iish with the wife who chose to go to a public "exclusive indeed" party to fûck her husband's boyfriend in public also bugged me. It bugged me that someone could be that stûpid but well...I have to admit it's possible even in real life for people to actually be that stûpid...

I'll stop here cos I chose not to spend too much time outlining sîlly decisions from characters...

But the show did try to spin things as the Characters being stûpid cos of pride and belief that they were invincible...but it was weird...
The children were always on drugs but still not îdiots. One even had a knack for investigating and finding secrets..

It was especially weird how unbothered all the children were when their siblings kept dying.

It doesn't matter that they don't like each other. Even a fôol can tell something is going on when several of his siblings keep dying to "accidents" in the span of a week

But somehow the children all waved it off and never acted bothered.

Ah let's not forget the prosecutor that went to meet a man he's spent his years trying to convict. Someone he knew he and his family had committed many murders over the years. I'm sure it's pretty smart to go meet him alone in a secluded house very late at night because he said he wants to confess.
So he won't confess at the office...it's that sort of environment with you alone that he would confess...
Considering his reputation and how his family is falling apart he could go mad and kill you. Or even do it blaming you for the death of his children. Ah...but it doesn't matter...he wants to confess so I will go there alone

Clear case of prioritizing the story and message so much well over the realism of the characters


Still a pretty good watch tho.
And it's clearly horror...unlike what some people claimed on this thread

oyaskii:
Again and Again, "The woman appearing in all those places where the children died or just as they are about to die" is a figment of imagination!, a physical representation of "karma", The woman wasn't really there!. It's their conscience and the deeds their father committed that is toturing them just before they die!. Roderick and Madeleine seeing the woman been the same through the years looking exactly the same, is a play on the audience to decipher if Verna was real or not, and they clearly fooled you. They both knew what was happening, and why it was happening, and they knew warning the kid's wouldn't help, they only thing they could do was to try to "fix" karma and that's what got Pym involved.


But pls believe all you want to believe.

Again...finished the show...

And what you wrote about her not actually being there is false. I don't know what is in the source material...but in the show she is actually there...

I'll explain.

First, she was seen by the waiters at the first party. They literally interviewed them and they said she spoke to them and told them to leave and somehow they all felt compelled to leave. That means she took physical form.

The camera footages showed her. Pictures were taken of her. The camera footages were enhanced by a team of experts meaning they could see her. If she was only an illusion the family could see, people outside the family wouldn't see her. Even the security company checked the images and said she's not their staff and that they don't employ female guards

They found images of her on the internet with several powerful families decades ago...

This means she was there in physical form. Even the detective caught a glimpse of her.

Verna represents Karma yes...but she certainly was there in physical form. That's why she could even physically alter things...and that is why she could be seen on cameras by people who were not part of the Usher family.

So it is a fact she took physical form and not just appears as an illusion

oyaskii:
I have simply giving you reasons why they can't make these decisions you are asking for and you keep ignoring it to make yourself look a sage.

If they stop making said "stupid decisions", what would be the point of the show and the narrative they are trying to tell?

Keep fooling.

so you are admitting that the characters suffered for the story?

That so many characters made idiôtic decisions for the story?

Great. We finally agree on something

oyaskii:
Again and Again, "The woman appearing in all those places where the children died or just as they are about to die" is a figment of imagination!, a physical representation of "karma", The woman wasn't really there!. It's their conscience and the deeds their father committed that is toturing them just before they die!. Roderick and Madeleine seeing the woman been the same through the years looking exactly the same, is a play on the audience to decipher if Verna was real or not, and they clearly fooled you. They both knew what was happening, and why it was happening, and they knew warning the kid's wouldn't help, they only thing they could do was to try to "fix" karma and that's what got Pym involved.


But pls believe all you want to believe.

Again and again, you keep ignoring my point and running round the bush...

Do I have to speak Yoruba or Chinese or Spanish for you to understand my point?

I'm talking about character decisions and not the story...

The characters are all acting so stupîd...

Let me finish the show, because of you I'll make a full post on character decisions in the show starting with the most obvious bluff of a snitch in the family

For the last part of your post, I will ignore that since I haven't finished the show...

However my point stands on character actions making absolutely no sense.

The themes are the character choices are completely different. I'm talking strictly about the character choices when faced with this disaster...

oyaskii:
Again, You don't understand what you are watching.

From the Edgar Allan Poe book's it was adapted from, "The Raven" was a like punisher for sins, a retribution for an evil committed, it might take days, months, years or even centuries for it to come, but it will surely come.

The "Woman's name" was "Verna" which Mike Flanagan carefully made as an anagram of "The Raven" from the source material. Simply put, why not explicitly stated, "The woman*, is a supernatural entity that simply only exists within the consciousness of the "The Usher Family" and Pym because he is connected to them and shares from their sin, You didn't seem to wonder why she is the same from the pictures through all those centuries ago and didn't age a bit?. So sum up, "She wouldn't show up any camera", more security won't save them either" because she is "karma" and within the laws of the universe, you can't escape it. How will sending them pictures of her, helped? Now why Roderick and Madeline seem to be so sure, that she was the one, they saw at the bar that faithful night, is their conscience pricking them, saying they can't get get away with such heinous crime, without any repercussions, and they eventually just made a deal with "themselves" to live life to the fullest even Karma comes for them, or their children, and Madeline quickly agrees. They even admit to be fuzzy about the event of that night and claimed it didn't happen. All those apparitions that Roderick was seeing were delusions resulting from inherited dementia fueled by years of Ligadone abuse.

Again the ending would have pretty cleared up your concerns but you like to rant.

you again are missing the point.

I'm not saying warning them would change anything. I said it's basic precaution.

As at beginning of Episode 5, where I was when I made that post, they were unsure of what she was.

It's all about perspective. They thought she was a relative of the woman they met 40 years ago. It was at episode 6 they were sure that it's the same person when they saw pictures dating back on 1901

We the viewers know that sending out her pictures wouldn't change anything...
But as at then, the characters did not know that...

This is the part that for some reason you refuse to comprehend...
It is called perspective


At the time of 2 and even 3 deaths, they thought she was someone simply trying to destroy them and they put out a hit for her. I'm talking episode 4 and early episode 5

At that time the rational thing to do was send her pictures to warn them...but they did not and it made absolutely no sense

Your problem is that you are looking at it only from your perspective as a viewer and not as characters...


When watching a movie or a show you are meant to look it things from two perspectives...

1. An independent viewer who has overall knowledge
2. The perspective of characters...

How can you evaluate a character or their choices if you don't look at issues from their perspective?

I'm tired of explaining basic things to you...

The fact is that their actions as characters make no sense...

Yes we as viewers know that there was nothing to be done that would have stopped this...but the characters do not know that...

And that is why the characters have been making awful decisions...

The decision making of these characters have been nothing but utterly stûpid...

Achilles100:
You will understand better by and by.

what does understanding have to do with the fact that they refused to do the logical thing by sending her pictures?

It's common sense.

Whether or not it prevents their deaths, it doesn't matter...the logical thing to do is to warn them...

Unless they have a reason not to warn their children and they want their kids to die.

Deaths being supernatural doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't do what any reasonable person would do

Anyway, continuing my countdown

9 days to go before peak ends...
Still no trailer...wtf

Again, I am not saying the show is bad. I am enjoying it...
But I find it frustrating when characters fail to do something common sense dictates.

People are dying, your only connection is a woman you met 40 years ago. You even put out a hit on her...

But you don't warn the ones alive to stay off her

Make this make sense please.

It doesn't matter if she killed them or not. She's suspicious to you so much that you even put out a hit on her.

But you cannot warn your kids?
As a result, she continues to make contact with the ones alive

oyaskii:
You most likely don't understand the show yet or aren't familiar with the source material because as at episode 5, has anything she has done so far seem like what a "normal human" would do? If No, how will avoiding her help?. and if you are paying close attention, she hasn't actually "killed" any of them yet, it's Karma and their guilty pleasures doing the work, she is just the harbinger.

Maybe see the entire show to gain some form of perspective and clarity.

your problem is that you jump to conclusions.

I am paying attention, but you failed to read what I wrote.

Asking me to read the source material is funny. So I must read the source material to acknowledge that some characters are acting stûpid?

It's not about whether she killed them or not. The deaths appear to be accidental/supernatural but the father and his sister have made a connection to her.

She made contact with all 3 siblings just before their deaths. She posed as a guard to a lab when she was not on the list. She has been snapped, captured by cameras etc.

The father and sister have even put out a hit on her cos they traced her to a bartender they met 40 years ago...

They even specifically asked for her eyes to be plucked out and brought to them.

But somehow they did not think to at least warn their remaining kids alive by sending them her pictures?

Yes, they don't wanna talk about that night in 1980 but they don't have to. Just send her pictures and warn them.

That's super obvious.

That doesn't change the fact that the deaths seem supernatural...
But common sense dictates you warn your children to stay off her first.

The Characters not doing that is pure stûpidity that only exists in TV shows but never in real life

Watching The Fall of the House of Usher.

I'm at episode 5 and I'm wondering why TF they have not sent the picture of that woman to all members of the family that avoid her.

How can two people die and the only connection is one weird woman that approached them and you still haven't sent the picture to the rest of the family.

The third one has died now...and they have more and more clear pictures and still won't send it.

Instead they simply just added a security guard to stay outside their houses. TF is this?

Are people this stûpid in real life?
Cos now a Fourth person has been in contact with the same woman for about a week and they don't know...

If they had sent the picture since, they'll know and try to avoid

PLUTO Anime is coming to Netflix tomorrow! GET READY! 🔥

The anime is listed for eight 60-minute episodes!



From the same Mangaka that wrote Monster

PLUTO Anime is coming to Netflix tomorrow! GET READY! 🔥

The anime is listed for eight 60-minute episodes!


After the masterpiece that was Monster. I can't wait for another anime from the same mangaka

10 days go to before peak ends

blingxx:
They had flaws, you haven't been paying close attention like I stated earlier, they were able to beat the flaw and evolve, the idea of uploading is to reduce human population on earth and archieve immortality.. You have to use every part of your braincell to understand what's going on na the "Time Lords" at the end I no really understand safesurf is basically a entity of God's along waiting for the IU to evolve and discover them .... Christopher Nolan will be impressed with this story

for the second part of your post.

Here is my understanding of it.
Even though the entire show took place in a simulated universe, the real world existed millions of years ago. And that simulation is based on events of the real world...I believe

Here lies the problem. Safesurf and it's relationship with Caspian. Safesurf apparently created these simulations because Caspian helped it evolve millions of years ago.

In the real world, why did Safesurf suddenly start listening to Caspian in the first place. It was literally sent to destroy UIs. Why Caspian of all people? Why was he able to communicate with it in the real world...not the simulated reality...

How did Safesurf, an entirely online program that can't even access offline servers suddenly evolve to the extent it can survive in space.

Christopher Nolan uses mind fvcks but doesn't come up with random bûllshit at the end. He properly leads up to it. He leaves hints, clues etc to show it was his intention from the start.

Same as Neon Genesis Evangelion as I mentioned earlier. There were enough hints for the human instrumentality project in NGE. Enough hints about the world so the late mind fûcks fit in...and made sense

In Pantheon S2, there was nothing...just some random bûllshit at the end that made no sense.

Worst still they didn't conclude plot points before these. They just abandoned them midway

blingxx:
They had flaws, you haven't been paying close attention like I stated earlier, they were able to beat the flaw and evolve, the idea of uploading is to reduce human population on earth and archieve immortality.. You have to use every part of your braincell to understand what's going on na the "Time Lords" at the end I no really understand safesurf is basically a entity of God's along waiting for the IU to evolve and discover them .... Christopher Nolan will be impressed with this story

I literally stated it in my post that they had flaws. So what are you saying. Read what I wrote again


I stated that once the flaw was removed they had absolutely nothing blocking them anymore since their abilities were based on imagination.

Before they couldn't use much power cos of the flaw. Now they can't use much power cos of safe surf?

The problem however is that a power based on imagination is unbeatable. There is literally no way to beat someone who can imagine anything without any flaw stopping them so the battles felt pointless since even the villain should not have been defeated as his flaw was removed

Without the flaw even Safesurf should have been beatable easily

The last part was the worst. How did Safesurf evolve into that You can't just use the term self-evolving program to explain how it went so powerful to be able to create multiple simulations of the entire universe

Lest I forget, this same Safesurf was a totally online program that couldn't access offline servers...this was why they were always hiding in offline servers the avoid it.

But now it somehow went into the Galaxy and found other lifeforms and evolved to the point it can create universes and make multiple simulations of these universes?

An online program

Pantheon season 2.....6/10


It lost the plot. Most of the season wasn't bad...but wasn't great either. It was just mostly boring. Fell asleep many times in the first few episodes.

The season picked up later on. Some parts of the writing were good, some parts made no sense.

Then the last two episodes were a clusterf*ck. The writers decided to try out every random idea whether it made sense or not. And yeah, most of it was total nonsense.

In fact the last two episodes made it apparent how nothing made any sense in the entire season.

Want to resolve plot points? Don't worry, just time skip and say it's all resolved in the future...wtf


Present day, there were protests about the internet being shut down. Even with "evidence", many people doubted the veracity of Uploaded Intelligence.

But apparently all it took was a random video of a fight scene that occured in the cloud and some random 20 years time jump for everyone to not only fully believe in Uploaded Intelligence, but also half the world is suddenly on board and has uploaded. In fact, not uploading is seen as stale

They didn't doubt the video even though they doubted earlier ones?

Yeah right. Sounds like primary school writing.

What exactly are the limits of abilities in the cloud for UIs that have been cured of their flaw?? Wasn't it supposed to be based on imagination?

This is a completely shiit power system that makes no sense. There has to be limitations and the flaw was the limitation.

A UI without the flaw is literally unbeatable since it's based on imagination and with no other limitation. There are a billion things you could imagine with no limitations.

And where TF did the "sister" come from?
The bullshît explanation offered in the show made absolutely no sense. And yeah, it could somehow cure every UI of the flaw.

I won't even go into the last two episodes where a random human is now able to create an entire universe in a simulated universe.


A few days ago, while avoiding spoilers, I saw a post with some people on the subreddit comparing this show to Neon Genesis Evangelion but I disagree. NGE was always consistent. Even from the start where it "seemed more grounded", it still offered a lot of hints which ultimately revealed the truth about the world and how humanity began...the Angels and all.

Pantheon just shoehorned random bullshît at the end and barely offered explanations that made sense.

Yeah and apparently the entire show took place in an alternate/simulated universe made by Safesurf...lol

How did Safesurf even evolve to that extent? Safe surf was a self-evolving virus or program. All of a sudden it decides to suddenly go after humans because of "insert random timeskip" and explain that humans are now a threat to it.

And this program can now somehow leave the entire planet, go off into space and the Galaxy and find alternate lifeforms in alternate universes?

This same program/virus can now create unlimited simulations of events that occured millions of years ago. And for what purpose exactly?

Zero consistency

Jarchi:



° Brodaman, This pantheon, I just don't understand it. They should have ended it with season 1 if this was what season 2 would be, just like sex education. If you love anime, you might love it but the story and development no move me again. Struggling to go back to finish episode 7 Abi na 8.

The lesson learnt is AI is playing, UI is real and things are happening °
***Jarchi***

hate to say it but you were right.

They lost the plot in season 2.

The last 2 episodes it was like the writers just went high and started putting every random idea that came to mind when they smoked w**d