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[quote author=Omo_Tier1]Serial liar! Ever since, the portion of that road that have been causing night mere for passengers is the Ore portion of that road. After ore, OGRAMA or what they call them have always being busy on the Ogun state portion of that road.

Large part of Ofosu was patched and not completely rehabilitated by RCC. Ekiadolor end of the road was not completely rehabilitated, i.e, the substrates were not taken off completely rather a top layer was relayed on the existing surface and the sides were paved and drain channels constructed. I can go on and on about how this project is a leaking gravy pot and completely depicts how wicked this administration and the previous ones before it are to Nigerians.[/quote]GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER, GOD BLESS YOU. You sabi the road well.

taharqa: Just tk d correction my friend and stop talking about Drains in relation to federal roads; dats like ridiculous (and i made d correctn nicely enuf)....... See, large stretches of dat road was completed dilabilitatd, and you dont do 'patch-patch' work on those kinds of sections, you RECOVER them - and dat implies total rehabilitatn or even reconstructions of those section, not 'patch-patch' work which is usd mostly for potholes. If u usd that road b4 now and u know d state it is in right now, u wud nt be talking about 'patch-patch' (at least nt for sm sections). Like i said in my 1st comment, anoda contract was awarded dis yr to expand and turn parts of d expressway to a dual-carriage way (dis is diff from d Rehabilitation of bad sections contract which was initially given in 2006)..... And oh, I neva said d entire road has bn completely rehabilitatd; i bliv dat d term i usd was 'virtuali fixed', and if u actuali usd d road as early as d 23rd u wud attest to dis

HEY! HEY!! You are a liar, a Chartered Certfied Liar (CCL). You see yourself now. That road has always been a dual carriage way, so when did they award a contract to turn parts to a dual carriage way? EHN, EHN? GTFOH!!!

Sincere 9gerian: I dont have to prove anything to anybody. But I make bold to say that I've been sincere in all my submissions on this forum. I do personal research and proper analysis on any issue before making my submissions public. My submissions must necessarily be what you think but that is my opinion. What I wrote about the Benin-Ore road was that work is ongoing there.
I hereby challenge you to dig up any of my comments where I stated that the Benin-Ore has been fixed/completed. If you fail to do that now, then you MUST be a liar. Shame on all LIARS!

Did you not read in that post as quoted by oyb that the road has been "fixed"? Did you not, ehn? Did you not? Can a road be fixed and I still see pot holes on it?

Deziani cried on that road in 2007, this is 2012 going to 2013, 6 years later, she is still crying while N5 trillion dey miss. N5 TRILLION!!!

Shame on you all!!!

Sincere 9gerian: This is an express way, that stretches nearly or over a hundred kilometre. It is not 1 or 2km street road that can be completed in 6months or even 1yr

You are an insincere man. From the heading of those fraudulent threads created by you all, does it not explicitly state that the road has been "fixed"? How can a road be "fixed" and I can still see pot holes in those photos? What kind of human being are you biko? Do you have children? What do you teach them biko? How to tell a lie?

Shame on you!!!

Sincere 9gerian: My friend, it is utterly irresponsible to compare 8 SOLID years tenure govt with less than 2yr tenure govt. Isn't it shameful that you could only point to 2major road projects, started and completed by OBJ? If OBJ had done the right things, would the federal roads be in the state they are today? My friend, 8yrs is not 2days. 8yrs is a lot of time in man's and nation's life. It is only fair and reasonable to compare 8yrs tenure of OBJ with 8yrs tenure of the incumbent

Mr man OBJ completed the Benin Asaba in his first tenure. Obj completed Benin bypass in 2001. What has Jona got to show for his miserable 2.75 years in Aso Rock apart from the theft of N5 trillion? Ehn, biko gwanum?

taharqa: Am just trying to undastad why u quotd my comment if dis was what u were going to write? Did d comment u bliv u are responding to say in any form dat Obj didn't do SOME roads? Or was it just wondering what dat oda poster meant by 'reasonably pliable' during Obj days and 'minimally improvd' today?..... Plz tk d patience to read my comments b4 responding; i might not be dis kind nx time....... By d way, who told u dat d Onitsha-Owerri expressway is still ongoing?

It better be, don't compare OBJ with this complete failure of a man biko. I plied Onitsha Owerri road in October and I still had to face on-coming vehicles around Ihiala, is that a completed road? I got to Uli and it was a total mess and you say completed?

taharqa: You call it 'Minimal improvement'? When last did u use dis road? Sm of u are just UNBELIEVABLE!!.. 'Reasonably pliable' during Obj yrs? Which Obj are u talking about? What does 'reasonably pliable' CONNOTE in dis instance sef? The contract for dis road was awarded in 2006, and bw then and smtime last yr d road grew WORSE, rainy or dry season. I hv bn plying d road even b4 then. Shld I tell u hw many times i had bn stuckd on dat road Or for hw many HOURS. Shld I tell u hw many times i had hv to pass a completely diff state to get to Benin, negotiating small paths and roads in God's knows where in d thick of d night cos Ore section was COMPLETELY BLOCK? Again, what does 'reasonably pliable' connote and which Obj are u tal

Mr man, are you aware that OBJ constructed the dual lane on the Benin to Asaba highway? Are you aware that OBJ constructed the Benin bypass? Are you aware that OBJ started the work on the Onitsha Owerri road with the ground breaking in 2003? Are you aware that OBJ completed the dual carriage Ife-Ijesha highway? That is not to say OBJ is not a criminal like the rest of the PDP mafia, however, what we have now is a totally irresponsible government. The level of theft and irresponsibility as we have it today makes me look at OBJ and call him, "Saint OBJ".

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i hope thats not a pothole in the front

That is progress according to PDP. The man there has to drive against on-coming traffic on a 100 km/hr highway with pot holes on it and he says progress.

This road Deziani 'cried' on it in 2007. This is 2013, PDP still dey construct the road with pot holes all over and it is progress according to them. Onitsha Owerri road was started in 2003 till today PDP is still on that road and it is progress, a good 10 years. As I speak to you now the Uli junction part of that road is nothing to write home about and it is progress. The Sagamu-Ore stretch of the Benin-Ore express road is fast fading yet they have not completed the Benin-Ore stretch and they are making progress. Even Abacha made better progress than this junk. In the South East and South South, Warri Patani road is nothing to write home about. Owerri to Okigwe nko, that one na forgotten since 1999. Ogoja to Abakailiki, tufiakwa, you wan die. Ikom to Calabar, dead! Aba to Owerri, PH to Owerri, Uyo to Aba, Owerri to Umuahia.

And PDP dey make progress. This progress means before we reach all the dilapidated roads in Nigeria, it will take us 2060. By then oil done dry finish, Jona and Ngozi go dey hell fire dey chop their N5 trillion.

All you shameless humans are a disgrace to humanity as you have no heart. May the souls of the dead on our highways continue to hunt you all wherever you go. ANIMALS!!!

omosexy1: Please let them know - Is it Minister of Works or GEJ that ply that road. A road that is in your State. I wonder the kind of Leaders we have and yet someone is telling me he means well. I do not blame Fashola and I have giving up on him. Actually he is better than his predecessor but he is a mediocre like GEJ and other political holders. I thought he would take Lagos to the next level but he delivered like a mediocre (receiving accolades for repairing existing roads the same thing other governors do). Hmmm, he is actually a product of his society. THE NEVER DO WELL POLITICIANS WHO THINK SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS REPAIRING ROADS.

They have many federal roads in Lagos they are taking care of. Is there an unlimited pool of resources? Should he kill himself? Should he takeover a road wey Jona dey use chop N5 trillion? Do Jona and Ngozi really want that road completed? That is a cow for the selfish Jona and his PDP gang which they milk regularly. He has been told it has been awarded, wetin make e do again?

Make e carry KAI go pursue contractor for the road come start in own work?

thelastPope: Let me use Oshiomole as an example of good adminstration in comparison:

The Benin-Lagos road inside Benin city is one road that has been a big mess for years and it is a federal road. Everyone has been clamouring for years that it be fixed. What did Oshiomole do? He took on the minister of works. It became a big fight and then Oshiomole simply moved in his buldozers to fix the road. When the minister saw that, he knew it would be trouble for him if Oshiomole fixed the road so he had to move in quickly to fix it. As we speak, the road is almost complete and nicely laid. Heavy drainage works have been going on for some months now.

That is how a good administrator works. But what did Lagos state government do in its own case? They simply abandoned the federal roads and mounted signboards there, telling everyone that it isnt their responsibility as if GEJ is the one using the road. Now Oshodi Apapa all the way thru Tin Can to Wharf is a complete mess and death trap. Such a very important road to the Lagos economy. And you come here and tell us nansense. SMH!

Is Murtala Muhammed way a state road? Is Funsho Williams Avenue a state road? Is the Badagry expressway a state road. Some failed portions of Ikorodu to Itoikin was fixed by Fash in 2008. Agege Motor road by Oshodi Isale, Ikorodu Road.

How many e wan do sef!!! E go kill in sef because Ngozi and Jona no gree work? E go kill in sef because Jona dey chop N5 trillion?

talktimi: from your comments so far, its obvious you're a tribalist or at the least you have a very poor opinion of people from otueke or ogwashi uku.
I can't say anything about your intelligence but your maturity level is also in question because proper arguments in a public forum such as this demands that you have respect for peoples you might come across instead of using derogatory languages on their places of origin and argue with proper facts that can stand up to proper verification eg when you say roads in the SS and SE are bad because Jona and Ngozi dey chop N5 trillion that really even puts your intelligence into some doubt. So please let's keep it clean here and stop the mud slinging.

Did they not steal N5 trillion? From available records the theft is at a nuclear proportion.

thelastPope: My friend, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If Fashola has built so much schools, private schools in Lagos will not be blossoming so well and springing up more and more everyday. Do you have any of your siblings in a Lagos public school? Of course I dont expect you to speak the truth here but please search your conscience and stop being a sycophant!

This is your answer here.

The more Lagos does, the more problem it gets. Why? Because as it improves social infrastructure, more and more people flood into the state in search of that which is not available elsewhere.

Roads in the SS and SE are nothing to write home about. Why? Because Jona and Ngozi dey chop N5 trillion.

omosexy1: Good for you because you were beginning to sound like one. You are yet to make any positive contributions on this thread rather than attack comments. I would like to even ask you a question; maybe you belong to the class of nairalanders that enjoy attacking comments.

Is Fashola working to you? If yes provide an extract of evidence for performance evaluation.

What have you benefitted in terms of social infrastructure in Lagos for the past 14 years?

Here is your answer

The more Lagos does, the more problem it gets. Why? Because as it improves social infrastructure, more and more people flood into the state in search of that which is not available elsewhere.

Roads in the SS and SE are nothing to write home about. Why? Because Jona and Ngozi dey chop N5 trillion.

thelastPope: What is the definition of meaningful job? You are not making sense at all. Even the kole kole pays taxes. Kai goes around everyday collecting all sorts of tolls and taxes. Lastma collects all sorts of fees. What are you yapping really! 30 billion IGR monthly says it all. How much does it take to build a school or an hospital? How much does it take to fix a road? How much does it take to build water works? Go to Benin or Uyo and see how a public school should look like. How much is FG allocation to Edo state and their monthly IGR? You are defending the indefensable my friend!

Benin or Uyo? I laugh. Those guys have not achieved half of what Fash has achieved in Lagos. Is it Schools? How many classroom blocks have they built compared to Fash. How many are in edo public schools compared to Lagos. Is it roads, how many kilometers of road have they rehabilitated, reconstructed and constructed compared to Fash. Is it free health service, how many have benefited in Edo compared to Lagos. What is the rate of patients visit in Edo Hospitals compared to Lagos. On a per capita basis, the revenue of Lagos is almost similar or less than that of Akwa Ibom and Edo. So what are you going on about? Keep your lies to yourself.

Generating such amount of revenue is even an achievement in itself. Is tax administration in a developing economy with a large informal sector an easy task? What was the IGR before these guys came on board? It takes having a strategy and implementing it properly to achieve such.

omosexy1: First and Foremost, are you a tribalist? If you are that is truly sick. There would be migration to cities because people are seeking better quality of lives and that does not stop the government from providing services. Many cities in the world are faced with these issues and it does not stop them from providing basic social infrastructure because they plan, they do their VALUE FOR MONEY ANALYSIS. You have answered the questions, a government who does not carry out proper planning, especially Lagos, will fail. We should not blame this on the Military, we have had democracy for 14 years and all I see is mediocrity. We have mediocres at the helm of affairs.

On a serious note (@ballabriggs), please act like an intelligent person and if you ain't, then act like a matured person. A tribalist is also a racist and a racist is also .......... (you can complete it)

I am not from Lagos and I am not a yoruba man so please stick that your tribalism yarn away abeg. What I want is to reduce the pressure on Lagos.

The more Lagos does, the more problem it gets. Why? Because as it improves social infrastructure, more and more people flood into the state in search of that which is not available elsewhere.

Roads in the SS and SE are nothing to write home about. Why? Because Jona and Ngozi dey chop N5 trillion.

thelastPope: This is the kind of trash that you lot spread around! Doesnt more population ranslate into more money? Why does Lagos state have to much IGR and other states have meagers resources? because of the same population you are talkign about dumbo!

Population is an advantage, not a disadvantage and Lagos state is certainly enjoying the advantage by milking everyone from the common street traders to the billionaires. So dont tell us crap that hospitals and schools aint enough because of population. That is just nonsense! if these people all move out of Lagos state, how will you generate 30 billion naira IGR? From the Lagoon? if all the non-indegenes move out of Lagos state, Lagos will have less than the population of Ekiti state. The business and status of Lagos is a function of its population. Go back to school my friend! Funny dud!

BOOO!!! More population translates to more money if they pay their taxes accordingly and not for people who do not even have a meaningful job. It will be an advantage if it is at an optimal stage, however, what Lagos has today is a crowd milking the social infrastructure and resources dry. It is at a sub-optimal stage!!!

omosexy1: I believe this thread should not be a means to trade insults but to open our eyes. I deserve to know why the pipe borne water system in Lagos isn't working. I deserve to know why there are more private buses than public buses in Lagos state. I deserve to know why the traffic lights in Surulere, Ikeja, Vi and Lekki are working and other metropolis ain't working. I deserve to know how much Lagos State Inland Revenue generates on an annually basis and how is the fund distributed. I deserve to know why the quality of education in private schools better than that of public schools. I deserve to know why low cost houses are not been provided. I deserve to know why certain areas in Lagos were decorated and some were not looked upon during this festive period. I deserve to know why are the state doctors striking and not performing their duties.

I deserve to know all these because I was promised and I pay my taxes. These are questions that requires answers and not road repairs which should be done by Local Government Chairmen.

Pipe Borne water works but it is limited. Why? Because resources are not just enough to cater for the crowd. Public schools are over-crowded, why? Because everybody has left otueke for Lagos. Hospitals cannot take care of the growing number of patients, why? Because Ogwashi Ukwu has rejected its own people.

And then you also say you "pay too much tax".

And they do not even get any help from the nuisance in Aso Rock. Apapa Oshodi Expressway has been "on-going" since 2007, yet they never complete am till today.

If the NNPC depots and pipelines were working properly, most of the tankers that kill people in Lagos will be no more. FACT! They park on bridges, they park on highways.

So tell Jona to start working. They should be looking up to him as the number 1 man but as you can see they are already moving because they know he is a joke. He is a blind man crossing Ikorodu Road unaided.

omosexy1: [/b] Do I look like your Government? On the Personal Income Tax, please first and foremost go and read the 1999 constitution and then search online for the reduction on Personal Income Tax. I do not exchange words with people, I present facts. If you do have facts please present them. I am no propagandists nor a party supporter. I will stand for the TRUTH and ONLY THE TRUTH.

What facts do you present? On personal income tax in Nigeria? Go get yourself some good knowledge before you start spilling trash here.

omosexy1: As a concerned Lagos tax paying citizen, when I hear Fashola is working I asked how and where and why am I not feeling the impact. Why do I have to run on generator regularly, why do I have to change tyres regularly as a result of bad road, why do I have to spend hours in traffic cause by illiterate drivers, why do I have to go to a private hospital for health care, why do I have to send my kids to private schools rather than public schools.

I am not a fan of Jonathan or PDP or ACN or any political holder. However, I want those singing and dancing to the Fashola propaganda to truly ask themselves if they have truly benefitted from Fashola's government. Has the employment rate increase in Lagos? Ngozi Okonji-Iweala declared a reduction in personal income tax for all Nigerian citizens. However, Lagos State inland revenue refuses to comply to the tax reduction. I do not support Okada as a means of transportation, but what are the alternatives in place. Many projects displayed are mainly private driven. Road construction and repairs are local government task, it is a shame for a governor to be receiving accolades for road repairs (whether fashola or any state governor). There is no working pipe borne water system in Lagos. There is no efficient transportation system in Lagos. At this stage, Lagos should be boasting of its on Integrated Power Plant which should actually providing 24hours power supply.

Fashola has concentrated more on the cities (Ikeja, VI, Ikoyi, Lekki and surulere) and has abandoned the suburbs. Well what has he even done to those places, repairs of street lights and roads. The Lagos of 1970 is better than the Lagos of today. There is no strategic planning. We have markets springing up in every corner, dirts littering around, miscreants bullying people and lawlessness pooking you on the face. Lagos has everything, a lot was spent on the city when it was the capital city, all the city needs is restructuring and repairs and not construction.

The tenancy bill was signed into law and this has resulted to a 100% increase in tenancy rate. Fashola implemented a law without alternatives. He builds housing schemes people cannot afford. It is a shame that I pay my taxes and do not owe the State Government, yet the government cannot cater basic infrastructures that I can utilize.

Personal income tax for all Nigerian citizens? You are speaking absolute rubbish!

Apart from workers in the FCT, the armed forces and a few others, the Feds have no jurisdiction over personal income tax, so keep your lies to yourself.

Besides you impose a tax on gasoline in the name of "subsidy removal" does that change anything.

The alternative is to send Jona and Ngozi's brothers back to Otueke and Ogwashi. The place is too crowded and it has very limited resources to cope with the surge in population.

Let leaders in other places be responsible, that is the solution. If they are responsible, no one will seek to come to Lagos for NYSC! No one will seek to import cars from only Lagos.

Why should we not talk of Jonathan and the brigands in PDP when they created the mess we have in Lagos? If the PDP was more responsible in at least 50% of the states they control, Lagos will thrive. The pressure on social infrastructure and resources will reduce.

From Yaba, to the inner parts of Surulere, to the Murtala Muhammed Way all the way to Iddo, to Funsho Williams Avenue, to Lagos Island, to the present expansion of Ikorodu road from Ketu to Ikorodu town, to Ibeju Lekki, to Badagry, to the roads in Gbagada, to Oworonshoki, to Lagos classroom construction and rehabilitation project, to Eko free malaria programme, to the office of the public defender, to the ferry jetty and terminal building in Ikorodu, to the Ikoyi jetty, to the terminal building at Ojo.

Are you all crazy? They are just too many to mention. I visit Nigeria every 3 months and I see these projects.

[quote author=Mr. Globe]why should it be? It is bound to happen anywhere there is a dense private sector population, and Fashola did not cause the dense private sector population in Lagos. PPPs benefit both government and mostly the private sectors involved just like csr and it is bound to happen. We are asking about state funds here[/quote]Hehehe. So the state does not commit its resources in making a PPP project work? A PPP is a win-win for but the investing private sector and the government in that the private sector benefits from profits while the governments fulfills social objectives with a PPP. It is part of strategy to make a project case to the private sector and encourage them to buy into your idea.

Why did the private sector not invest before Fash and Tinubu came on board? Was it not a densely populated area at the time?

Some of you really need to go back to school and stop spilling your trash here.

jason123: I am now on ground in Lagos, Nigeria. As most of you know, I love Fashola die but I'll not lie to the diasporans (the uninformed ones which I was ignorantly part of few months back) Fashola hasn't done much this second term. The more time I spend in Lagos, the more I see the damages done by ACN.

My people lets give PDP (a credible, intelligent candidate) a chance in Lagos come 2015. ACN has relax... Moreover, the "lion of burdillion" should not hold that much power. Lagosians have sold their future to Tinubu!!! So sad.

Fashola is good (Nigerian standards) but Tinubu's hold over him is strangling his good name. PDP Lagos 2015, watch this happen!

Thanks.

Unfortunately PDP does not have any intelligent candidate. It is a gathering of thugs and fraudsters with an ex-convict Bode George as the leader of PDP in Lagos.

Rest in peace to Lagos if a PDP candidate is voted in as Governor. But it will never happen because Lagosians are just too sophisticated for the PDP and so no amount of lies will make us seek PDP in Lagos. Their performance in other South West states, which they left in ruins is enough to give us a picture of what the PDP in Lagos will be. So we will not fall, they can make Alao Akala an Ambassador to Bostwana. However, this Lagos, ko ni baje lai lai.

[quote author=Mr. Globe]my friend calm down with your language and show us the evidence. The thing is that you hypocrites think your propaganda will last for so long. You are the same shamelesd double faced element that goes about critiquing FG and absolving or disappearing from ACN unperforming and expose threads. Guess the cookie has finally crumbled. Just spare us your long epistles and speak with photos of completed Fashola projects NOT SIGNPOSTS OR PHOTOSHOP PROJECTS OR PPPS. Tell us what 30 billion/month in 6 Years has yielded in Lagos state[/quote]So PPP projects cannot be listed as an achievement?

Gbawe: Will you stop your repellent bigotry for a second and acknowledge the pragmatic truth? Tinubu is simply a character operating in his time. If I had a dollar for every time Nigerians plead for the Jerry Rawlings solution then I would be a very rich man. If we agree that Jerry Rawlings was a flawed man and 'monster' of his time who dealt with his own kind to enable the new cadre of leaders now transforming Ghana to emerge (like Kuffour, Atta-Mills and now Mahama) what exactly is Tinubu doing opposite to that?

Please let the ogogoro loyalists keep deceiving themselves. Like I said, the man Goodluck Jonathan seems a blind man crossing 3rd mainland bridge unaided. There is no visible strategy for development, all we see is empty chest beating. Jonathan is a big joke to lead any nation that seeks development.

Of Course!!!

Goodluck Jonathan is a rouge, a criminal, a brigand, a ruffian and a fraud who should be behind bars given his role in the criminal theft that characterised the Alams regime where he was the deputy.

In a sane society, should such a brigand rise to become the leader of the country?

I weep for my country, the case is sad, very sad, it is indeed a tragedy.

'Fraudulent Nigerian' why do you keep modifying your post in a desperate attempt to cover up your lies.

Sincere 9gerian: FACTS ARE SACRED.
Buhari told us he signed the contract for building of Warri and Kaduna refineries. Very good. But he never told us that he was appointed by OBJ and effectively executing the VISION of OBJ.
Buhari was appointed federal commissioner of petroleum resources by OBJ in 1976, a position he held till 1979 when OBJ handed over. Construction of the Warri and Kaduna refinery were commenced by OBJ administration. Buhari and other civil servants only had to put pen to paper and execute the wishes of the head of state. The Warri refinery was completed speedily by the same OBJ administration in1978. The first phase of Kaduna refinery was completed by Shagari in 1980(who was the oil minister then?). Perhaps the Warri refinery made more sense to OBJ necessitating its speedy completion under his regime.
Giving Buhari credit for refineries built by OBJ is like given Dieziani credit for whatever is achieved in the petroluem sector under the GEJ administration. That cannot be right in my opinion. We know too well that any project not supported by the head of state or president is dead on arrival.
The CORRECT history of all our existing refineries are as follows:
1) Port harcourt refinery 1 was built by Shell/BP in 1965.
2) Port harcourt refinery 2 was commissioned in 1989.
3) Warri refinery was commissioned in 1978 .
4) Kaduna refinery 1st phase was commissioned in 1980.
5)Kaduna refinery 2nd phase was commissioned in 1982.
FACTS ARE SACRED!!
http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/wrpc.aspx
http://www.mbendi.com/indy/oilg/ogrf/af/ng/p0005.htm

Listen to yourself. It got commissioned in 1978 when he was minister but the work started before him. Good! And then he left office in 1979 and a refinery was commissioned in 1980.

Are you not beyond daft?

So strategy implementation is not a task and credit should not be given to him?

coogar: you are a tool - before the first coup, the igbos weren't contented with how the brits left the country in the hands of the hausa/fulanis. the first coup was plotted by mainly igbo soldiers and they targeted hausa/fulani officers. the fulanis retaliated with pogroms which anyone would have predicted in a young country like nigeria. the igbos felt cheated especially when the federal government didn't do anything tangible to stop the mass killings of the igbos especially in the north - and the igbos sought secession. how does this have anything to do with awolowo?



stop smoking your pubic hair.....
the single most important fact is ojukwu could have averted that war. gowon even made last minute arrangements to do a peace talks with ojukwu in a foreign land. he was ready to meet all the conditions tendered by ojukwu but he still refused to take the option. the problem with ojukwu was that he's a spoilt kid - he saw himself as too superior to gowon to respect gowon's issues. he put his ego before 3 million igbos and sent them to their deaths!

Quite unlike a m0r0n like you, I have never said there was a need for the war. I try to have a balanced view with an open mind. I am not interested in "Awo", I focus on issues. And that is what is expected of you at your age instead of sticking to the tales most of our parents told us on the war or sticking to the view that Awo is infallible. Awo made mistakes just like every other human, however, what I find most disgusting is the attempt by you dolts to canonise him overnight. Absolutely ridiculous!

coogar: achebe's book would have been the greatest book ever written by a nigerian if he had just stuck to the facts instead of his bigotry and his cheap attempts to denigrate the other tribes in nigeria. he claimed the others simply envy the igbos - that to me is nonsense!

Is he wrong? May not necessarily be envy but the truth is the way the Igbo man carries himself makes a lot of people dislike them.

Personally I see Igbo people as loud mouthed and this is what he echoed in that book. It is also similar to what he wrote in his work "The trouble with Nigeria". In fact in his work the trouble with Nigeria, he dedicated one chapter on "the trouble with Igbo people" and absolutely lambasted them in that chapter.

But you all don't read, you just open your mouths because you heard the word "Awo" in the book.

coogar: yes, awo had no such ambition to wreck havoc in the east unless you are a hypersensitive imbëcile........the war could have been averted had ojukwu listened.
this is an excerpt of achebe's new book where raph uwechue(biafra's envoy to paris criticised ojukwu's decisions).....

That is a freaking lie. Awo had such an ambition. Before and after the first coup, there was a "we against them mentality" in the country. It was not and never limited to the Yoruba people alone. The North had that mentality and same with the east.

It was a mentality of hate built by selfish politicians including Awo. You cannot exonerate him from those events. So some of you here coming to accuse the man of being a bigot without an understanding of the environment at the time are absolutely daft.

shymexx: Read what?? A book by the head of the Biafran propaganda machine, no??

Nah, why can't you open my head - and superglue the biased, sentimental, and the ethnocentric jejune fictional tale there??

You are inconsequential. The man does not need a ruffian like you to read his work. Better people have used and still use his work in the academic literature. So go and smoke your weed.