₦airaland Forum

Abagworo: We don't actually need anyone to tell us what is too glaring. 300,000 to 3million in 20years is an overwhelming growth rate.

From about 5 million in 1991 to about 17 million in 2012. And Abuja's population has not grown beyond manageable proportions. We are talking of a city that will hit 30 million in the next ten years if nothing is done to arrest the situation.

Abagworo: You people should stop being tribalistic and criticize without sentiments. Abuja has been more prosperous than Lagos and has experienced more influx of people than Lagos. Properties in Abuja have appreciated unprecedented when compared with Lagos. Population of Abuja(FCT) as at 1991 was merely 300,000.

That is false, even the UN habitat group knows this hence its serious concern for Lagos.

thelastPope: Seriously, what is your academic qualification? The resources that would have built Akwa Ibom and Bayelsa was used to build Lagos and you are talking about migration? You are not a serious chap!

Since 1992, 20 years ago, what has Lagos received from the center apart from Ogunlewe and FERMA beating people up to take control of "Federal roads"? Most of that which was earlier built has been eroded due to the pressure on the state. What Fash has concentrated on is rebuilding that which has been depleted over the years and he is doing even with the constraints from those running from Otuoke to Alagomeji.

Why? Because Jona and Ngozi done carry N5 trilion run.

KenGali: Lagos is a city built out of the sweat and resources of all Nigerian, so yes people are free to migrate. Am sure you will be welcome to Otuoke or Akwa Ibom if you decide to go there.
What I find rather irritating is how you guys have derailed the beautiful thread on Akwa Ibom just to project Fashola.
Akwa Ibom and Lagos are very different with different problems. If you want to be comparative, note that for decades while resources that should go to Akwa Ibom were used in developing places like Lagos and Abuja. Result is that today Akwa Ibom lacks infrastructure, Lagos and Abuja are facing migration issues due to neglect of other areas. Lagos is also suffering from dilapidating infrastructure.

While Akwa Ibom Governor is doing a good job of solving her states problems. I can not say the same of Fashola, and his accomplice Tinubu.

We are comparing because they are not doing enough to help reduce the surge in Lagos' population. Lagos has its projects but it is overwhelmed by the fast rising population. It has worked on over 5000 classroom blocks but it still has many more to do. And please spare us that tale of neglect. Ever since the Capital has been moved to Abuja in the early 1990s, Lagos has received very little attention from the center.

Why then should we not compare?

thelastPope: It is no longer a plan bro. Work has already started on both the port and the link bridge which is about 21 kilometeres, almost twice the length of the third mainland bridge. When completed, it will be the longest bridge in Africa. They are doing it without any support from the FG and no private investor. Awesome stuff!

Good for them, let them build it at least all the witches and wizards wey from Eket run to Eko can leave and reduce the pressure on the state.

BTW we never begin use Onitsha port O, Warri port dey there, PH port kwanu, how far? Biko wetin we go dey export from this port?

Witches and Wizards again

thelastPope: Shouting at the top of your voice won't make what you are saying become truth. Lol. I will repeat it to your dull brain. Private school business in edo state is dead. I didn't say all private schools have shut down. The business is no longer lucrative because the public schools are now standard. Even the USA and UK still have private schools but they are for those who have big money to spend and want extra class for their children. The public schools have all the required facilities. You my friend, are truly dull!

lol, it is not dead and it is still thriving, what is the basis of your conclusion? Can you back it up with verifiable data and not the ones you and Oronto Douglas cook up inside the helicopter

KenGali: Why won't you leave people to enjoy the Akwa Ibom Pictures for goodness sake.

As at the time I left Lagos, none of my co-workers had any of their kids in a public school.
Please rate Fashola for planting flowers, building Toll gates, Ikorodu road

Was also in Akwa Ibom in the last quarter of 2012, the governor is doing wonderfully well. I was smiling all the way from their airport. Only thing lacking is the individual contribution and business opportunity. People in Akwa Ibom should emphasize on investing at home.

How can they have when everybody has left Otuoke to receive free education in Lagos? How can they have with Lagos receiving the bulk of the rural-urban migration crisis? The number of public schools in Lagos is x3 that of Akwa Ibom but it is not still enough, you see the crisis?

There is a population surge that is crippling Lagos and it has to be handled by building other states to stop the high rate of migration.

But how, when Jona and Ngozi done carry N5 trillion run.

thelastPope: Private school business in Edo state is dead! You are living in the past. Igbinedion educational center is a world class montessory school, not just your normal private school. Those are the kind of private schools still doing well in Edo state. You need to open your head up and learn...

Mr man close your mouth, private school is dead, LIAR!!! In Rivers there are hundreds of mushroom private schools in PH, in Imo the same thing so stop fooling yourself.

More private schools are springing up to cope with the surge in population. If Jona had not run with N5 trilion, we would have built other states and the pressure on Lagos will be reduced.

All those 'Greater Tomorrow' for Benin na wetin? Na Public Private Partnership, Ozuomena.

kutchs: Is this the same ballabriggs that listed Ogoja-Abakiliki rd in his list of bad roads in Nigeria or another?
Guy seriously you have no shame.

Is it the same lying you that listed Owerri- Okigwe as a 'smooth road'. Now GTFOH

thelastPope: If Fashola has transformed thousands of schools in Lagos, private schools will be dead just like in Edo state. You are a bare faced liar because more private schools are springing up everyday in Lagos and getting serious patronage. You should be sent to jail for lying!

So Igbinedion's school is dead? Can you compare any Edo public school to the Igbinedion Education center?

More private schools are springing up to cope with the surge in population. If Jona had not run with N5 trilion, we would have built other states and the pressure on Lagos will be reduced.

thelastPope: You dont know Edo state schools are wonderful? Please call anyone you know in Benin if there is and learn. All primary schools in Edo state use white boards and are properly staffed. Beautiful looking schools. Not the nonsense stuff you have in Lagos. Then you take a trip to Imo, Rivers and Akwa Ibom and you will never come back to Lagos again.

And you sound like Fashola even built the existing schools in the first place. You guys can do propaganda sha! I duff my hat!

White boards? Muhehehehehe, no wonder you work for dullards. Is it the same Akwa Ibom that everybody has left to do 'housegirl' and 'houseboy' in Lagos while the few left are being victimized for 'witchcraft'?

afam4eva: Is it the same schools that i pass almost everyday? There's nothing special about those schools. I don't mean to compare but have you seen the quality of schools built by Amaechi, Rochas and Akpabio? It's really a hard job defending Fashola as long as human development is concerned. In my opinion, he's afailed n that regard.

You do not pass those schools Mr man, I knew what those schools were before and I know what they are like today. I can tell you specifically that Omole had a Mudashiru classroom block which had not gone beyond the foundation stage since mid 1980's but has been completed by Fash today. I knew what the schools around Dolphin Estate looked like before and I can tell you how much they have improved today.

How many schools have those guys had to reach? Fash has reached thousands, can you say the same of these other guys?

thelastPope: Is it the Lagos in brazil or this one wey we dey so? lol. Where all our children are in private schools? I cannot send my dog to those schools, walahi! You cant even compare them to Edo state schools not to talk of Akwa Ibom schools. Try again. Then you mention your maternity centers again? You guys no dey tire for all this boring stuff you talk about? The myth has been busted! Go to december politics threads and see it all laid bare. Let us enjoy our Akwa Ibom pictures in peace without you trolling and spamming us abeg! Is that too much to ask?

https://www.nairaland.com/1138739/truth-fasholas-success

lol Edo schools. Bring students from Lagos Model colleges and compare them with students from Akwa Ibom schools, I dey laugh, Lagos has loads of schools but still maintains its model colleges at Badore, Igbonla, Meiran and the rest at the highest standards so you can keep fooling yourself.

afam4eva: Someone once told me that Fashola has built school ll over the state and when i asked the person to list these schools and their location, he went numb.

I don't know where these renovated schools are located and i'm sure you also don't know. I've gone round a lot of public schools in Lagos and i can tell you that they're in deplorable condition. Even Tinubu's tenure achieved more in terms of education in Lagos state through the Millenium schools all over Lagos.

These achievements you're listing for Fashola are commonplace in other states and are not things you'll use to rate Fashola high especially based on the fact that he's the governor of a state like Lagos.

That notwithstanding, i think Fashola has done well in some areas especially in bringing sanity and enforcing laws in Lagos.

lol common place, no wonder Akpabio's round about is a big deal.

Now to the Schools, they are all over the state Lagos has close to if not over 6000 public schools at present so how many do you want to list. But go to Government College Eric Moore, to some of the schools on the Lagos Island, Omole Grammar school, Ikeja High School, to the schools in Yaba, to AJ city, you will see these projects.

Millenium schools fine but it did not do enough to reach a lot of places. Millenium schools were just about five schools, now compare that with Fash's strategy of reaching many more schools.

afam4eva: Let's give Akpabio some credit abeg. Before he came in, Akwa Ibom as a whole was a village without anything of note. he came in and changed the face of the state. Right now, Uyo can compete with other cities in country due to his transformation agenda, On a personal note, as far as it relates to infrastructural development, i will rate him above Fashola. Though there are other criteria where Fashola will beat him.

When you say infrastructure now let's start are you talking of the Lagos schools project? Lagos today has renovated over 5000 classroom blocks in 5 years and has constructed over 3000 blocks within the same period. Now biko list Akpabio's own.

Lagos has its upgrade of state hospitals, LASUTH, Island Maternity, Gbagada general hospital, Ikorodu pediatric center. Biko list Akpabio's own.

Roads, Isheri Osun road is there, the road around Igando, Murtala Muhammed way and the inner roads at Yaba, Isolo-Ire Akari up to the bridge that links Ijesha to the inner roads of Surulere to Eric Moore to Funsho Williams Avenue to Costain and then to Outer Marina. Lasu-Iba to the Lagos Badagry road project. Biko list Akpabio's own

Haha funny enough na the same photos I dey see O. They take the photo of the same roundabout from different angles and at night to fill up the page, what a joke to tell me the man is more impressive than Fash.

thelastPope: Please stop being an idiota! Page 1 to 2 is filled with pictures of projects all funded by state government. It is Lagos state that needs to list projects that are not PPP. AI government does everything on its own. There were numerous threads started on that and nothing tangible was posted by you lot. Stop being an idiota for once!

So it is with this you compare Akpabio with Fash? What a big Joke, Lagos even with huge burden on resources is miles ahead of this.

*Yawns*

Even since Gowon we have been building. We built structures in Abuja under Abacha, IBB & Abdulsalam. We built FESTAC and the Lagos stadium under Gowon. But the question is to what extent? Enough to raise our competitiveness beyond the mediocre stage we find ourselves? Commensurate with our population growth rate?

Development is also about competitiveness and sadly Nigeria still ranks agonizingly low in the global competitiveness rating. Time to work and not empty chest beating when many die avoidably due to a poor health system. Time to build our schools, time embed a research culture. These are the things that truly boost competitiveness. They are intangible but they impact the highest and they are not cheap! How do you gain competitiveness when you depend on foreigners to construct roads? How do you have an oil industry dominated by foreigners? Where is the domestic technology?

In all how do you do these things when Jona and Ngozi done carry N5 trillion run

redsquare: You just showed how ignorant you are. This your analogy is very daft. When does making a snowman in the winter or fighting with water guns in the summer equal bathing someone with urine,palm wine,oil,smelly water,ash? Sometimes, it is better to remain silent that spew thrash.

Oponu radarada!!! Do you know how painful water gun fighting is? Do you know how painful snow pelting is? But there is never an intention to harm and it is the same thing in this situation. These young people are having fun without the intention to harm.

Those days sef when you are 'baptised' into kegites club in all schools in naija you are washed down with "holy water". Is it with an intention to hurt? But is the fun of being part of kegites, it is a ritual, it is young people acting their age.

There are confraternities which you join in UNI's that you are forced to drink loads and loads of shots of alcohol as part of the entry rites. Not only in Nigeria but worldwide.

So take your rotten brain back to whichever cave you came from. Get some exposure so you don't make prejudiced opinions.

redsquare: I dont see anything 'fun' in what you just posted. Maybe your definition of 'fun' is different from mine. Someone graduated from a school like KSU and received all these beating and treatment, what would then happen the day you will graduate from Oxford or Harvard? Maybe na shi.t water dem go take baff you.

When I was in UNI, you see young people make a snowman in winter. You see them snow pelting in the winter. You see them fighting with water guns in the summer. At the foam parties you see them fighting with the foam on the dance floor.

These young people are not doing anything different from their mates around the world and so spare us this talk of "immaturity". They are having fun.

Dee60: I am by no means suggesting we should ignore air transport, but you will get far more options if you develop rail very well. Our problem in Nigeria is that we want to run before we walk. That is why we can spend N16 billion building a new house for VP and keep 11 jets in the Presidential fleet in a country where you cannot comfortably travel Lagos to Benin by rail!

A small passenger jet that can carry 100 people will cost USDollars 200 million to acquire. 30 of those will cost USD6 billion = N900 billion Naira. Do tha math. Except maybe FG wants to acquire 1976 Russian made planes! If you have N900 billion you will be able to provide enough guarantee for private sector to revolutionalize rail transport in the country.

I get what you mean. You see the problem with aviation in Nigeria like most developing countries is that the income level of the average worker is just too low and so most airlines try to increase price to cover margin from the few that patronize them. However, you find out by increasing thesee prices, more and more people get excluded from air travel and so the airlines struggle as they are not able to increase margin.

Sustainable solution like you highlighted is to empower the people else we will keep having the same issues. This as far as I am concerned is a 'bolekaja' approach as it has no direct impact on the vulnerable and very poor.

Dee60: mrkels may have a good point. effective rail transportation is the catalyst for growth. USA, Europe all grew on the back of rail revolution. with rail, there is no elaborate check-in, and all those time wasting things. Millions of Britons travel everyday by road accross the country. Millions of tons of cargo are freighted by rail everyday. Air travel is a luxury if you have an effective rail system. If I can travel from Marina to Abuja in 3 hours by fast train, and cheaper, I will rather do that, rather than waste all the time first travelling to the airport and waiting endlessly to check in.

Oga air travel is no luxury in the developed world. There are no frills airlines such as easyjet and ryanair to serve the low income earners. In addition millions of discounted tickets are sold annually by the premium airlines if you book early enough. With 50 pounds you can get a BA ticket from Gatwick to Edinburgh which is less than the cost and travel time of a train ticket.

Yomieluv: What do you expect from a school located in the Northern part of Nigeria,being educated there is seen as a luxury,and a straight ticket to be the Governor of the state. So am not surprised.

These are people having fun like most young people will and you make a prejudiced opinion based on their region, such a shame.

majortele:
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Answering questions on the safety of airplanes in Nigeria, Mr Dati said concerns in this area has led to removal of tariffs on aviation spare parts and that plans to purchase airplanes for the operators.

This removal of tariffs, does it include private jet owners? If it does then this is a huge joke. Anyone who wants to enjoy the luxury of a private jet should be made to bare the full cost of it and it should not be at the expense of tax payers.

[quote author=must_a_far]we already have this in the nigerian market. its known as FAYROUZ made from barley malt.[/quote]I have had a taste of Fayrouz and trust me it is nothing like this. This tastes and smells like beer but then it has no alcohol content in it.

Thanks guys I am enjoying the debate. Remember just like decaffeinated coffee, it does not stop it from being a beer if it does not contain alcohol.

But I ask another important question here, will you let kids below 12 years drink a non-alcoholic beer?

And for Doctors, will a non-alcoholic beer have the same potential harmful effect on a beer loving pregnant woman as the alcoholic brands?

cogitoErgo: if a beer is non-alcoholic then it should b cald soft-drink or are u saying somethng like decafeinated coffee?

Yes just like decaffeinated coffee, these brands are increasingly being made available in the market.

Right guys, I know there are some people who avoid drinking beer based on their ethical, religious and a whole lot of obligations. However non-alcoholic beer brands are increasingly being made available in the market. For example, Becks and Bavaria have these brands for those that want to enjoy the fun of beer but their obligations would not permit the comsumption of alcoholic beer.


I thus ask would you go for a non-alcoholic beer brand? I need honest opinions based on economic, socio-cultural, legal and other relevant perspectives. I am even more interested in what Christian and Islamic scholars have to say about these non-alcoholic brands. Does it go counter to your religious obligations.

For family people who avoid drinking beer because of the kids in the house, do you think the non-alcoholic brands provide a good option? Do you think the non-alcoholic brands will have the same negative influence on your kids as the alcoholic brands that you avoid? Would you let your kids drink a non-alcoholic beer?

For those interested in political issues, do you think government should place as much taxes on non-alcoholic beer as alcoholic beer considering the fact that it is produced by the same organisations? Do you think laws should be made to prevent young people below the age of 18 from consuming this?

For those who love alcoholic beer because of the feeling it gives, do you think buying non-alcoholic beer is a "waste of money" ?

Please I need your opinion on this.

Right guys, I know there are some people who avoid drinking beer based on their ethical, religious and a whole lot of obligations. However non-alcoholic beer brands are increasingly being made available in the market. For example, Becks and Bavaria have these brands for those that want to enjoy the fun of beer but their obligations would not permit the comsumption of alcoholic beer.


I thus ask would you go for a non-alcoholic beer brand? I need honest opinions based on economic, socio-cultural, legal and other relevant perspectives. I am even more interested in what Christian and Islamic scholars have to say about these non-alcoholic brands. Does it go counter to your religious obligations.

For family people who avoid drinking beer because of the kids in the house, do you think the non-alcoholic brands provide a good option? Do you think the non-alcoholic brands will have the same negative influence on your kids as the alcoholic brands that you avoid? Would you let your kids drink a non-alcoholic beer?

For those interested in political issues, do you think government should place as much taxes on non-alcoholic beer as alcoholic beer considering the fact that it is produced by the same organisations? Do you think laws should be made to prevent young people below the age of 18 from consuming this?

For those who love alcoholic beer because of the feeling it gives, do you think buying non-alcoholic beer is a "waste of money" ?

Please I need your opinion on this.

Right guys, I know there are some people who avoid drinking beer based on their ethical, religious and a whole lot of obligations. However non-alcoholic beer brands are increasingly being made available in the market. For example, Becks and Bavaria have these brands for those that want to enjoy the fun of beer but their obligations would not permit the comsumption of alcoholic beer.


I thus ask would you go for a non-alcoholic beer brand? I need honest opinions based on economic, socio-cultural, legal and other relevant perspectives. I am even more interested in what Christian and Islamic scholars have to say about these non-alcoholic brands. Does it go counter to your religious obligations.

For family people who avoid drinking beer because of the kids in the house, do you think the non-alcoholic brands provide a good option? Do you think the non-alcoholic brands will have the same negative influence on your kids as the alcoholic brands that you avoid? Would you let your kids drink a non-alcoholic beer?

For a pregnant mother who loves beer but wants to do away with alcohol, will Doctors in the house recommend this?

For those interested in political issues, do you think government should place as much taxes on non-alcoholic beer as alcoholic beer considering the fact that it is produced by the same organisations? Do you think laws should be made to prevent young people below the age of 18 from consuming this?

For those who love alcoholic beer because of the feeling it gives, do you think buying non-alcoholic beer is a "waste of money" ?

Please I need your opinion on this.

Don't tell me aviation when safety is a big issue, don't tell me locomotive trains when the world has moved to high speed lines and don't tell me boko haram has been reduced when thousands died in the year.

My interest is in youth employment issues, life-expectancy, poverty issues and many more development indicators.

These are the basis of rating leaders in developing nations. Has Jonathan delivered on these? Nigeria still has a very low HDI rating and so the best I can give him is a 2%.

DaLover: The truth is very few world leaders, past and present with PhDs, there is no proven relationship. Stop deceiving yourself.
Except your phd is in the social sciences....nothing in a phd course prepare you for managing people, resources etc...

So it is only in a social science class you gain resource management skills? No wonder you look up to a man like Jonathan.