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Expert17:
Unbeaten with 0 trophy

Fvck unbeaten.

Klopp didn't win any trophy in his first 3 season in charge of Liverpool so progress is not by the amount of trophy you won.

Illimitable:
You are still on this halfwit highway, you slowpoke.

Mourinho met Spurs at 14th. Whether he did mid season or end of the season is irrelevant. Mourinho took the job when 13 clubs were ahead of Spurs.

So for you to lie Spurs were in top 4 before Mourinho tells me you have no shame. It tells me you are a pathological
liar.

If we go by your idiotic logic, it means Ole met United in 2nd position because Jose didn’t finish 6th at the end of the season in 18/19 - so we should go by the final table of his last full season?

Just look at how you have brought shame on your local government area.

compare the last 2-3 seasons.

Illimitable:
Ole can’t get into a final in almost 3 years. Europa cup is his last hope. If he bungles that, it’s until next year - and by then he would have had 3+ years without a trophy.

I wonder what Olesexuals will use as excuse if that happens.

2 plus years, This is Ole second full season in charge.

nitrogen:
Why did we not have ‘beginner luck’ when OGS joined? Don’t forget that he went on a good run and still bottled top 4.

Loooollll

we went unbeaten for some games and even make a comeback against PSG, This is not the first time a coach will be doing initial gragra. After next season, we will know how far with Tuchel

BikeMan:
He say beginner luck. Na luck person dey use reach FA Cup final and UCL semi? Sebi Ole took the job from Mourinho one time, where did his beginner luck take him to?

Your cluelessness is stopping you from seeing that Tuchel is a good coach. He's just coming from taking PSG to their first ever UCL final.

Yet he was sack Mid season.

nitrogen:
Don’t forget that TT has not bought any players yet. He is using the players he met at Chelsea.

Useless manager don buy buy buy, no finals yet.

Make we see wetin go happen when he buy players, same way you guys told us Tottenham and Chelsea didn't buy players and they are performing. This is beginner luck. After full season, we will assess him. Arteta also has a trophy so what is the fuse all about.

Ole winning Fa Cup and Carling cup will be sacked from the club without champions league football.

Expert17:
Mourinho won the UCL with Inter and Porto, which is more difficult.

Ranieri won the league with Leicester is that not difficult, Winning the league with Inter is not a tough Job, the question is why has he not won it with bigger team.

Expert17:
The point was
- going all out against Barcelona was wrong
- starting Chicharito and Giggs was wrong

So he should have start players that does not fit his tactics

SyIvalord:
ofcourse Ole will get dragged. It is known. Poch fanboys will not let Ole rest if PSG wins the CL. I don’t know how PSG winning the CL concerns Ole, but I know they will surely drag the poor man.

Make Ole too vex win Europa League and make he ensure that he did not bottle up the 2nd position

Expert17:
Winning the league ahead of Barcelona was difficult, but not impossible.

Same way winning the league with this Man utd players will be difficult but not impossible.

Same sets of players Mourinho had went ahead to win champions league after Mourinho failed to land a trophy.
It is same Barcelona that some annoying man Utd fans are saying Ferguson bottle up the champions league again, A Ferguson that was bereft of top players at their prime.

Expert17:
Winning the league ahead of Barcelona was a difficult task that season-

Reasons
- Busquet, Xavi and Iniesta
- 2 UCL in 3 years
- 3 laliga in 3 years
- 3 world best in 3 years for Messi

So calm down

So a defence of Casillas Ramos, Pepe, Marcelo and Arbeloa, Midfield of Xavi Alonso, Khedira, Ozil, Di Maria, Attack of Higuain, Benzema and C. Ronaldo is not strong enough with Carvalho, Varane, Kaka, Concetrao as back up to win the league, yet you expect this Man Utd to win the league with Maguire, Lindelof, MC Fred, Martial, Wan Bissaka against a team that consist of The best Defenders and Midfielders.

Illimitable:
Was there a Ballon d’Or coach award when Mourinho won CL with Porto?

Have some shame, bro.

So Mourinho stop coaching after he won the CL with Porto.

Illimitable:
They are not underdogs, they underachieved.

Pep inherited a team that got to the semifinals. He spent £800m on the same squad and failed to get to the semifinal in 4 different attempts.

That’s not an underdog story.

Mourinho, however, took a job where the club hadn’t gone past R16 in 6 seasons and he took them straight to a semifinal.

That’s overachievement.

This feigning to be stupid is really making you look bad.

Ewooooooo, Over achievement for a team that has some of the best players in the world, that finished 96 points, the previous season. Why didn't he won the IFFHS in 2011 for taking an under dog Madrid to the semi final.

Illimitable:
Don’t mind that Bara guy.

They somehow thought Mourinho’s lengthier career is why he’s #1 when his 4 IFFHS awards is the key.

Majority of the other managers on the list between 2001-2020 had to outrightly win the CL to be given the award.

Mourinho won the award for winning the PL with Chelsea - a trophy Chelsea hadn’t won for 50 years. IFFHS considered the league title in that circumstance worthier than all the league titles Pep won at Bayern or City

Mourinho also won the award in 2012 after destroying Pep’s Barca in the league. IFFHS considered that feat worthier because Madrid were underdogs nobody gave a chance to win La Liga. Madrid didn’t win CL in 2012 but IFFHS still gave the award to Mourinho.

Another evidence that Mourinho takes difficult jobs while Pep takes jobs where failure is impossible. Pep has never won the award without winning the CL. All his league victories have come easy unlike Mourinho’s 04/05 or 11/12 league victories.

This debate is over.

How many Balon d'Or or world best coach did Mourinho have. Guardiola has more than him.
How many IFFHS world coach have Mourinho won since 2008 when Guardiola start his coaching career.
How many Onze d'Or coach of the years does Mourinho has.

Guardiola achievement is far superior than Mourinho.

TrebleChamp:
Sebi everybody is catching cruz ni , Ole should win me a trophy make i celebrate again. I am not a shareholder, a board member nor am i an employee of Manutd, i don't benefit financially from the club in any way. As a loving, passionate, faithful and dedicated fan for 26plus years, my joy is to always see the Club do well on and off the pitch and win trophies. Sadly the last time i, you and every other United fans celebrated trophy success at this club was during Jose Mourinho's term as Manager, same manager Olesexuals are now pretending to hate. As for the bolded, it is common knowledge here that Olexuals defend him and are always quick to insult anybody that criticise him cos of his 99 tapping, and his legendary Club status. Same way the class of 96 kept mum when result where terrible last season and at the start of this season. I no get any other shalaye for this matter, Mourinho is the greatest Manager according to the picture below ...

Are you aware that Arsene Wenger was given same award for the best coach in the world for the decade 2000-2010, while Simone was given that of 2011-2020.
From the coach in the list only Mourinho has been active throughout those 20 years.

Expert17:
What is the meaning of 96 points?

Against a team that won 2 UCL in 3 seasons, 3 la Liga in 3 seasons and Messi with 3 world best in 3 seasons?

Winning the league with R.Madrid that year was a great achievement.

When did Mourinho join Madrid, he joined in 2010, By then Guardiola just won his second league edging Madrid by just 3 points which was a close battle, meaning with quality addition of players which he got, he could have won the league.

Why didn't Mourinho win the league after Guardiola left la Liga.

patrickmuf:
When they say Ole should win trophies, you guys will say he was hired to make top 4 as if you guys have seen the terms of his contract...

What if those supporting Mourinho say he was not hired to make the top 4? Does it make any sense to just lay claim to something you have no clue about?

klopp did not win any trophy for more than 3 seasons yet he was not sacked basically because he was reaching top 4 which Liverpool has not been achieving consistently.

Van Gaal was sacked after winning the FA cup but failed to qualify for champions League. For now, in England, it is only Man City that might sack a coach for not winning the league or champions league since they have always finish in top 4 which is not a problem for them.

Arsenal fans were tired of we qualified for champions league trophy during Wenger time since it was almost guarantee and wanted more than that but Arsenal fans currently will prefer to qualify to champions league than winning the Carling or Fa cup.

hensben:
So it was pep that debuted messi, xavi, Marquez, Valdez, gudjohnson. etc.

Messi and Xavi were not the cure of Rjikaard team. Both were not involved in the 2006 final.

Expert17:
Ole Sexuals 2021:

OLE was hired to qualify for UCL not to win trophies

He was not hired to win smaller trophies like Carling Cup and FA cup while failing to qualify for the champions league which is a criteria which some sponsoring Partners to keep partnering and bringing in the money.
Ole won't be sacked next season, if he reach the quarter final of the champions league and put in a strong performance in League.

Trophies will surely come at the right times.

hensben:
How was those players performing before mou.

. A team finishing 96 points in previous season with addition of Prime Di Maria, Ozil and Khedira and Carvajal is a great team.

hensben:
Pep refuse to take a task with limited budget so as not to be exposed and it’s working for him.

No individual will take a tough Job when the easier ones are available for him, He is being considered for the supposed easier job either because he is considered the best or other coaches are running away from the job.

Guardiola will only take a tough job after he has lost his winning mojo which Mourinho has lost. Top team will only go for the best.

Once Guardiola wins the league, he will have Same number of premier League trophy with Mourinho in England in less number of seasons.

hensben:
So you are counting Bayern liga as league trophies. Lol.
Pep always run from difficult jobs. He said chelsea needed 10 players before they can compete for the league, meanwhile Conte won with same players he met.

Included in the trophies of Mourinho are league won in Portugal. Dortmund won two leagues title in same league, you referring Bayern Liga. 2 leagues in over a decade for suppose best coach in the world.

hensben:
You can not confuse me with your twist and turn ok.
Your first paragraph, 80 percent of those players that won it in 2006 were still present when pep took over.

Your second paragraph, no one was talking about Real Madrid form in the league but in ucl. They were underperforming in ucl for 6 seasons in a role before mou. Mou was signed to challenge Barcelona and also to improve their ucl campaign.

This is a fallacy, Apart from Etoo and Puyol, who else was in the champions league final of 2009, the core of the 2006 were not in the club anymore.

hensben:
When Pep came he signed quality players like ibra and then David villa. The personnel were always there for Barca, Pep did nothing extraordinary.

zlatan was not their in 2009 season when he win the treble.

hensben:
Your first paragraph, Chelsea have never won the league for 50 years before mou came, he got Man U and Arsenal to contend with.

Your second paragraph, he won ucl with inter Milan.

Third paragraph, with those players yet Madrid was struggling to make it past r16 in ucl for good 6 years. Mou made the team formidable again by making 3 semis. In all this, Kaka was always injured and out of form.

How do you expect him to win the league when the environment became toxic for him, including ex players interfering in his job. Now they are quiet since Ole one of their own is in charge.

Why was he employ as Chelsea coach, basically to win the league trophy, Ranieri has been sacked the previous season for failing to win the league even though he reach the semi final of the champions league since he believe he has the personnel to win the league with heavy backings from Abrahamovic.

Really, Leicester won the league, Nottingham forest won the champions league, So winning a knockout champions league with Inter Milan with negative tactics is a great achievement.

Madrid added more quality players, Khedira, Di Maria, Ozil, Carvajal plus Alonso, C Ronaldo, Kaka, Ramos, Benzema is that the team you are calling under dog in champions league. Their is bring difference between Madrid has been underperforming in champions league and calling them under dog.

hensben:
Compare to Ole the DNA man mou won 3 trophies. Mou was getting jibes from man u ex players, how about now that Ole is in charge, same ex players have gone mute because ole is one of their own. Those ex players were throwing jibes at mou and you expect him not to retaliate. Those ex players contributed to the toxicity Mou had at man u.

Less was expected from Ole, all that is expected from Ole is champions league football when he was signed and he has not failed in that regards.

If it was very easy to qualify for champions league in England why didn't Mourinho finish top 4 in consecutive season or even Moyes and Louis Van Gaal qualify Man Utd for champions league every season.

Mourinho is struggling to get Tottenham into champions league football, A team that Pochettino turn to regular champions league and reach the final with them.

hensben:
Thats a trait of a great man, he is not afraid to take a difficult job unlike pep that demand unlimited spending before taking a job for fear of failure.

He should go to Leicester, Leipzig, West ham, Forget all this stories. It is like expecting Ronaldo to go to West ham, when the likes of Madrid and Barca needs his signature. Mourinho has failed to win champions league in the big clubs with large budget, he has coach, he was heavily back in Chelsea, Madrid and Man Utd but he failed.

hensben:
As at then madrid was underdog in ucl. same with chelsea.

Really, Madrid was Under dog in the champions league with Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Di Maria, Ozil and Khedira at their peak, Ramos, Carvajal. Madrid were under performing in champions league, they were never an under dog.

An under dog is a team that has less quality players against a superior team. Madrid team that lost to Lyon was far superior to it.

hensben:
With those luxurious spending how is it impossible for pep. Liverpool almost did it last season with less spending and limited budget. When it come to tactics i am not a fan of mourhino but achievement wise mou>>pep.

Why are top Clubs with the money not going for Mourinho, Is it Guardiola fault that top clubs are always coming for him.
Your Mourinho has just six league trophies and two champions league trophy in over 20 years of being a manager while Guardiola has 8 league trophies in just 12 years of being a manager and same number of champions leagues trophy.

In over 11 seasons of managing a premier League club, Mourinho has won just 10 national trophies in England while Pep has won 8 trophies in less than 5 seasons in England after dominating Mourinho in Spain.

Pep has more individual world club coach of the year than Mourinho. Pre-2011 Mourinho might have been rated higher than Guardiola in terms of trophies or greatness but Guardiola has achieved more than Mourinho, after he won his treble with Inter which was an unprecedented feat. Guardiola is currently better than Mourinho, No reasonable top coach who choose Mourinho over Guardiola now. Things could change in future has football is dynamic and not static.

Mourinho is more of a past glory coach, just like Ancelloti etc.

Ole is more of a rookie coach in a past glory club(Man Utd) given the task to build the team back to his glory days just like AC Milan will be happy to be back in the champions League.

obonujoker:
No one in the right senses will compare Ole to Mou. Mou that even schooled Sir Alex..

I believe what people are comparing is their time at Manchester United

Why didn't Mourinho remain in the Premier League, It is not an easy thing to maintain success at the top level, only a few coach can achieve that which Ferguson is one of them. Ranieri, Rjikaard, Mourinho, Pochettino have all failed to build on their success in clubs they have managed hence leading to them being sack

handelex:
For that it's very correct. Jose gets some credit for the work he did there and the rewards that followed later.

Indirectly, he destroys both Porto and Inter Milan which make both team not being able to reach the semifinal or finals after he left.

Illimitable:
It’s about progression - a concept you lacked.

Mourinho met a team that cannot get past round of 16 for 6 consecutive seasons and got them into semis 3 times. It’s inevitable that they will win it as soon as they are 1 goal or one penalty shootout away from the final.

Pep met Bayern after they had just completed a TREBLE and baba couldn’t get them past semifinal in 3 attempts.

That’s regression. Bayern had already won the CL, they were in form when Pep(the supposed best manager on the planet) joined them and yet, the team deteriorated under him.

It was no wonder Bayern parted company with the fraud.

What are you even saying. As if, it is easy to win the champions league every season, Mention any manager apart from Zidane that have win the champions league in consecutive years. Same Mourinho that has always been relieved of his duties, mention one club that has sacked Guardiola in between the season.
What happen to Mourinho that he won only a league title with Madrid with world class players that later won the champions league 4 times after he was sack.

A season before Mourinho was employed to Chelsea, they have finished second and in the previous season, they have been eliminated in the semi final, why didn't Mourinho win a champions league trophy with them or a premier League title after his return to premier League.

Currently, Mourinho have lost his winning touch, Most top clubs would go for Guardiola before considering Mourinho.

Illimitable:
Pogba has a World Cup, so does Mendy.

Mourinho won CL with Porto & Inter(both teams have not tasted a semifinal since Jose left them) which shows only a genius can achieve such feats.

Where’s Pogba’s champions league by the way? He’s been playing that competition since 2012 and he’s got nothing to show for it.

Why didn't he win same trophy with Madrid and Chelsea who won it after he left.