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patrickmuf:
His fans are waiting silently to come online once we turn things around prolly through a Penalty or a lucky deflection forgetting that we were piss poor throughout.

You no watch match, yet you dey lament how bad we dey play.

Illimitable:
Mourinho was not backed.

United were already 5 years behind City in terms of development before 2016.

Pep went on to sign 22 players, United could only sign 10 players for Mourinho.

Mourinho finished 19 points behind Pep in 17/18 and the Glazers decided that Fred, Grant and Dalot were enough to catch City.

Does that look like a serious club to you?

Mourinho was not back, yet he spent almost half a billion euros on the team, yet you are shouting that Ole has failed with 300 million euros he has spent after losing some key and squad players.

Both Mourinho and Pep were employed same time, Mourinho was more experience in the league. They spend almost same amount in those three transfer windows.
While Man Utd spend more than Man city in the two previous transfer windows before Mourinho. Yet he was not back because he wanted the board to buy expired defenders which they refused.

Illimitable:
It holds the strongest weight of the Glazers being useless. Man Utd generate the most revenue in England, why were they spending less than City since their takeover?

Real Madrid, City, PSG, Barca, etc do not hesitate to spend money when the opportunity avails itself. They spend money cos they are rich. It does not matter if their team is winning or not winning. Serious clubs evolve. Instead of SAF to spend money post-2005, he was teasing the fans that there was no value in the market and signed Bebe, Obertan and a crippled Michael Owen to replace Ronaldo.




The analysis I put up simply shows we have useless owners. Since Fergie left, United have hired 4 different managers. No manager has spent 3 years on the job since then but we had Fergie for 27 years.

Recruitment is also the responsibility of the owners - the fans don’t choose who to sign. Mourinho has also proven the owners didn’t back him. He submitted a list of names of the players he wanted and he was given the inferior versions of those players(just to save money).

The owners were in cahoots with Woodward to drive the narrative of United DNA - they lie to the fans that they would invest in youth players(with DNA) rather than go out there and buy finished products that can help win the title.

Pep was heralded as this developer of youth when he was signing for Man City. People quickly cited how he brought Busquets, Pedro, etc from the Barca team B. It’s been 5 years since Pep arrived and the only youth player he has developed is Foden. That should tell you City are more concerned about stacking up trophies and they are unashamed to spend money to get the objective done.

United owners, on the other hand, are lying that their youths are the future. Youths who aren’t even good enough in their own league are being promoted to the senior team to save money for the Glazers and deluded fans are lapping it up hoping one day that Rashford will be as good as Ronaldo.

Some of your points are correct.
The point on Mourinho not being supported does not hold water, A coach that wanted to be signing old players into the team. Most of Pep signings are usually futuristic not signing 29 or 30 years players that will soon retire for a bogus fee.

patrickmuf:
You can argue all day but 1.4b is not small money. Where I think the board goofed is in the appointment of mangers and purchase of players where we had different manager come in and requested for whichever player they preferred and the succeeding manager coming in to replace those players with his own kind of players. That's unacceptable for a club like ours...

Confirmed.

Illimitable:
You keep telling yourself this when it’s obvious you are wrong. As a big club generating upwards of £500m per season, we ought to be spending like the other big clubs in Europe. United were the 2nd richest team in that era but they were the 6th best team in Europe - why is that?




Before 2013, City had already acquired Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Kompany, Dzeko, Tevez, Nasri, Balotelli, Zabaleta, Robinho, etc.

Your argument would only have a spine if the aforementioned players didn’t go on to contribute to City’s success before/after SAF retired. You know in your hearts of hearts that they did.



You should also blame them for not paying any attention to City’s rapid rise between 2008-2013. City were catching up fast while United were sleeping and counting on SAF to deliver trophies forever.

The Glazers are the worst thing to happen to United.

Let’s calculate how much they have spent since their 2005 takeover and compare it to City’s takeover in 2008.

Man City

08/09 - £142m
09/10 - £133m
10/11 - £165m
11/12 - £82m
12/13 - £56m
13/14 - £104m
14/15 - £93m
15/16 - £187m
16/17 - £194m
17/18 - £286m
18/19 - £71m
19/20 - £144m
20/21 - £160m

Total - £1.8 billion


Man Utd

08/09 - £40m
09/10 - £25m
10/11 - £26m
11/12 - £56m
12/13 - £69m
13/14 - £69m
14/15 - £175m
15/16 - £140m
16/17 - £167m
17/18 - £178m
18/19 - £74m
19/20 - £204m
20/21 - £75m

Total - £1.3 billion

If you add 05/06, 06/07 & 07/08(Glazers arrived in 2005) purchases to United’s total, you have £1.4 billion.

So the Arab owners spent around £400m more in 13 seasons than the Glazers did in 16 seasons.

The Glazers are a disgrace!

To be sincere and honest with you, this your stand does not hold weight on the glazer not spending, How many owners will spend heavily on a winning team.

From the analysis, you put up, it shows that Man Utd have been recruiting wrongly without a clear direction. How many of the signing pre-Mourinho are still in the club. Even Lukaku that was brought by Mourinho left the club.

Illimitable:
This one is trying to be clever by half.

The only time Ole has played in the CL, he was bundled out of the group stage and got demoted to Europa.

Mourinho qualified from the group in every CL campaign at Man Utd.

That’s the difference.

Even if Ole wins Europa this season, it cannot top Mourinho’s achievements because it’s taken Ole close to 3 years to achieve what Mourinho did in 9 months.

You can’t lie your way around factual information.

This is very funny, yet your MCM was fired after 2 seasons so Di Matteo is the greatest coach in chelsea history since he won the champions league in less than 6 months. Also Avram Grant is greater than Mourinho since he took Chelsea to their 1st Champions League final which Mourinho failed to do in all the years, he coach Chelsea.

Illimitable:
Fact is he sacrificed the league for Europa. You can check his line up at the Emirates and White Hart Lane towards the end of the season. United had too many injuries that season and they couldn’t fight on two fronts.

Jose tactically concentrated on Europa knowing winning it qualifies United for CL & it will be the same outcome if he focused solely on the league. He’s a very intelligent man.

In the season Jose got 81 points, he was also a finalist in FA cup.

Ole hasn’t been able to make any final in almost 3 years and the highest point he can get this season even if he wins all the remaining league games is 82 points. With almost £300m spent, you would expect much better.

Ole also has injuries issues in all the season yet he has been able to be competitive in all cup games while achieving top 4.
So Mourinho did not spend in Man U, He spend almost half a billion euros in 2.5 season on a team that just won the FA cup.
Those of you shouting Ole has spend £300m as if no player has left man Utd in that period. Lukaku, Herrera, Young, Smalling, Valencia, Fellani and many more players left the club. Yet you keep on shouting as if he has spend without any player leaving.

This is not to diminish the achievement of Mourinho, who as at today since the retirement of Ferguson has the best achievement among all the coaches we have hired.

patrickmuf:
Didn't we reach the FA Cup final? Have you forgotten so soon?

FA cup final, Yet Ole reach semi finals of all competition last season and was still able to make top 4 but he has been rightfully condemned 4 bottling the semi finals but your MCM could not use those at his disposal to get pass Sevilla in the champions league or even go far in the Carling cup.

Illimitable:
Amaka has built a winning team by not winning any trophy and struggling to make the 81 points Jose clutched in his 2nd season?

Do you understand the meaning of a winning team? A winning team is Liverpool in the last 2 seasons(CL & PL), City for most parts in the last 4 years.

How can anyone say Ole has built a winning team?

Like how?

Kindly explain.

how did your MCM perform in the league, when he won Europa and Carling cup.
What was your MCM results in cup competition, the season he finished with 81 points

Jodera:
Lol... You misunderstood my question.
If I'm a man u fan, I know I won't be if my team finishes 2nd without any trophy. My question is this
" is it justifiable to sack Ole midway(during) through the season when you know he's in top 2 in the league even tho he's being eliminated in all cup competitions"?

Is there any club or club owner who have sacked any coach when he's in top 2 and when the season is still running?

Ole still stand the chance of winning the Europa League.

Illimitable:
If he had started Pogba, United would have won this game.

Bruno was well marked and they rarely gave him any chance on the ball. With Pogba in, Leeds can only double mark one creative player. They couldn’t have double marked two creative players - one would expect a manager that actually passed his coaching exams to know this.

Yet your Pogba was available when Sheffield United defeated us.

Oasis007:
Sir Alex is perhaps watching different McTominay. He's good, but not to the extent Sir Alex is trying to force down our Throats. He's a Squad Player, shouldn't be a Starter at a Club as United to be candid. Not just him, also Fred...... but they are workaholic and do give their best.

What was special about Fletcher

Illimitable:
That was the gist from the inner circles - you won’t find it on the mainstream media considering the debacle that followed Moyes’ signing.

SAF has cleaned up his ass that Pep never got back to him - but the truth is they spoke continuously for 8 months when Pep ran to New York for his sabbatical.

This argument is dead on arrival, If Pep was not a great coach why was Pep, Ferguson first choice.
Mourinho and Pep are the two highest spender on players for the past 10 years.

Mrviktor:
I'm not a fan of the super league..

I don't want to watch manutd vs Barcelona every season.


It won't be special any more..

How boring is the El-classico or the Manchester derby or Merseyside derby

LMDyaya:


Those ones too just dey disguise, the fans are stopping them.

This thing has many disadvantages, but even if you are reluctant at first place when you have a second thought, 200 milla is really a tempting offer for joining alone, not to talk of other gains when there would be proper negotiations for tv rights and the rest, you can only dream of that money in a covid world.

I don't really blame this people but they are indeed spoiling the game.

I will love to know the disadvantages apart from loss of revenues to UEFA. Same UEFA that is not considerate to the various teams, UEFA is also all about the � why introduce 36 teams tournament with 10 matches to be played when clubs are already complaining of fixtures overload.

The only limitation, I see in this super League is the automatic qualification of some supposed top team without given every team, an equal opportunity.

Those complaining, it will be boring seeing Barca Vs Chelsea playing every season, as the El classico ever become boring or the Manchester derby. � rules the world.

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Kindly remove this line from your argument

Tottenham was 14th before Jose took over. Poch that took them to UCL, was clearly taking them out of it. They were most likely slipping close to the relegation zone

With that said, please continue with your points. [/color]

What was Tottenham league position the previous season, How many games into the season was Mourinho employed? How many points was Tottenham away from Man Utd who finished 3rd?

patrickmuf:
Will you call Ole a fraud?

And what do you mean by "what is expected of Ole is less than what is expected of Mourinho"? Ole is coach of Manchester United and Mourinho was coach of Spurs, by every standard, the demand is more on the coach of Manchester United but for obvious reasons, you guys want us to accept just about everything just because Ole is involved...

Before you come and tell me about the performance of Spurs, they're 5 pts off the top 4 position with 6 or so flames left to play, so they still stand a chance, they're also in the Caraboa cup final so it's not like their season is a complete disaster...How Daniel Levy expects to spend so little yet wants to compete with City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester United is funny. It'll only take a huge slump for any team to finish above the 4 teams I have mentioned...Money counts for something...

Ole can't be considered as a fraud as he is not receiving bumper pay check like Mourinho when he was the coach of Man Utd. Ole is an average coach, if Man Utd board wanted a coach that we win trophies immediately they won't have gone for Ole. If the aim of the board was immediate trophies, Van Gaal won't have been sacked, Ole would have been sacked since last season


Man Utd employ Ole to stabilize the team why Mourinho was employed to take the team back to his glory days but he fail in that regards instead he started complaining he was not being supported to buy aged players.

Tottenham has consistently make top 4 before Jose arrival even the season before his arrival, they finish top 4 above Man Utd without spending a dime yet after spending over 250million, they could not finish in top 4. Also your MCM, once said Tottenham have more quality players than Man Utd.

If any one is asked to mention top 10 coaches in the world, no one will mention Ole but a lot of people will mention Mourinho based on his pedigree yet in recent times, he has achieved little. Even in the league, Ole is not part of the best top 5 coach yet he has steadily qualify Man Utd for Champions League through the league which your MCM failed to do.

patrickmuf:
Is that what makes him a fraud? How many coaches have won more? I'm not sure they're more than 3...Zidane, Pep and arguably Klopp and that's if UCL holds for a higher ceiling...

The question I asked you is simple; If Mourinho is a loser and a fraud since 2010, what will you say of Ole?

What is expected of Ole is less than what is expected of Mourinho. It is only a fool that will say Ole has achieve more than Mourinho though this view can change based on achievement.

I don't rate Ole highly, my stand has always been he has not performed woefully to be sacked.

patrickmuf:
You're not making any sense, how does your example of $3b correlate with that of trophies won by teams?

Between 2010 (The year you claimed Mou was the best) and now, Mourinho is a fraud or whatever, then you're not supposed to be taken seriously...After that treble win with Inter, Mourinho has since won the Spanish league, Copa Del Rey, EPL, UEL, Caraboa Cup amongst others...If you refer to him as a fraud, I wonder what people should say of Ole.

His recent success is lower than what he has achieved in the past. In the past ten years, he has won less trophies than he did in his first ten years, in terms of trophies won in the last ten years, he will be rank very low.

patrickmuf:
I guess our 3 UCL are past history...

Those are glory days, currently the best team in England is Man City.

I had 3 billion dollars in my account, yesterday is different from I had 3billion dollar in my account today.

Nottingham forest was once the best team in Europe, where are they today. If past glory is given much relevant, Nigeria will be playing at all Nations Cup.

patrickmuf:
What do you say about Ole that hasn't won anything significant? The man that relegated Cardiff?

Those are past history.

Joezinho:
Not a Single complete Season without at least One Trophy!!!!

Nothing succeeds than success..

Ole gollum needs to read this book..

Which trophy did he won 2017/2018 season

nihilistjnr:
What has Mourinho done better than Pochettino?

He took them to Caraboa Final

Illimitable:
But he’s won 25 quality trophies more than Ole.

Past Glory, As at 2010, Mourinho might have been the best Coach on earth but currently he is a loser and a fraud until he start winning again.

Joezinho:
Stop all these shalayes.. Managers are brought in to outdo their predecessors....

If mou could win 2 trophies in 10 months, why has it taken ole 3 years to win nothing?

Accepted he won two trophies yet he took the squad backward.

LVG won the FA cup, yet he was sacked. Being in the champions league or top 4 is far superior to any FA cup or Carling cup. Winning the league or champions league is superior to the Europa League. The management of Man Utd prioritiy are UEFA champions league, League Title, Top 4 or Europa League title not worthless titles.

Joezinho:
Ole was employed to do what? Make progress..

Ole will have achieved “progress” when he does better than the previous manager..

Mourinho: 144 games, 2 trophies..
Ole: 141 games, 0 trophies..Those are facts

Ole factually can’t achieve progress anymore. He’s failed as United manager..

Whether you like it or not we’ve not won since 2017 bro.. Are you happy with this progress?

In 100 years when people look at our post-SAF record, they’ll see that Ole won NOTHING, and didn’t progress the club whatsoever...He was just a moneysaving scheme clown...

Every club has it priority which most time is based on financial gains, Ole main priority was to immediately ensure Man Utd make top 4 consistently why building the team to be competitive to challenge for the league and champions League same as what was given to Klopp, Klopp did not win any minor trophy to pad his achievement.

Ole was brought him for the long term success not like some fraud that was expecting Man Utd to buy expired players for quick success neglecting the long term success.

Joezinho:
Gee, there is no chance mourinho has been sacked for football reasons just before a cup final. Imagine sacking him the week before the final of a competition they literally hired him to win and they want me to believe it had nothing to do with ESL..

If anybody can win a cup final, a one off game it’s definitely mourinho. Congrats to man city in advance.

Mourinho was employed to win Carling Cup.

Illimitable:
It wasn’t after the end of the last match, stop lying.

check your fact.

Illimitable:
Chelsea sacked him mid-season in 2011.
Bayern sacked him mid-season in 2017.
Napoli sacked him mid-season in 2019.

Should I go on?

Only Bayern and Napoli sacked him mid-season, Chelsea sacking was after the End of the last match of the season.

But Mourinho has been sacked twice by chelsea, Man Utd and now Tottenham midseason.

Illimitable:
Why should he retire? At what age?

Ancelotti has been sacked 11 times. He’s got more CL titles than SAF, Pep, Mourinho.

Only morons focus on the number of times a manager gets sacked. Intelligent people focus on their impact.

Mourinho is box office. He will get another juicy contract very soon.

How many times has Ancelloti been relieved of his job midseason like your saviour Mourinho. Pep has never been sacked mid season even Ancelloti during his prime days was not sacked mid season

96forever:
this league don end, you still the argue 7-2 abi you no the hear about super league. Wahala for Ole if Jose go win the first super league trophy and las las no Europa for ole to win.

, What happen to the greatest coach of all time again?

Nezzjnr:
Nope... He refused taking the team to the training ground and he was involved in an argument with the Chairman


Heard Klopp is planning on resigning also

Abeg leave story for the press, He should have jejely resigned siting breach of contract.