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Illimitable:
The team that reached final lost 2-7 to Bayern a season later under Poch. Imagine conceding 7 goals at home without a sending off. That same team was left in tatters in the 14th position - facing relegation.

Mourinho came in, polished the team up and got them as far up as 6th. Levy has refused to spend big because of new stadium, COVID and the announcement of the new European Super League.

Blaming Mourinho for Poch’s mess is quite rich.

Have some shame.

Spending 250 million in 2 years is not big, Spending over 140million euros is not large enough.

Man Utd lost 6-1 against Man city at home, yet still finish 2nd at the end of the season with same point with Man City in 2011 season. So losing 7-2 doesn't mean the team is not strong enough. Also Tottenham was just 3 points aways from 5th position and 2 point behind Man Utd who ended up finishing 3rd.
So, this your 14th to 6th story is not a worthy excuse for his failure last season at Tottenham.

Illimitable:
Mourinho met them at 14th, he finished 6th. That’s a jump of 8 steps.

It should embarrass you that in 17/18, United had 71 points after 32 PL games.

Ole has 66 points(after £300m spent).

How’s this progress?

Same team reach Final of Europe, A year before and after spending 250m euros, where is the team. So the 14th was their final position of the season abi, Tottenham finished in top 4 and reach Final the previous season, yet your greatest coach can't improve on such a team.

Illimitable:
Did Mourinho take the players he bought to Spurs?

Are Pogba, Lindelof, Matic, Bailly, etc still not playing for United?

If Ole is still making use of Mourinho’s purchased players plus his own spendings, why is he struggling to match Mourinho’s trophy haul or points haul?

Make it make sense, abeg.

How many matches has Baily and Matic started for Ole. Lukaku, Sanchez and the old brigades who assisted Mourinho in achieving his 81 points have all left the club.
This is a fresh team with just few of Mourinho signings.
Why has Mourinho not taken Tottenham to higher height after all Pochettino took them to the final of the champions league after which the club has spend over 250 million euros with Mourinho accounting for over 145 million euros.

Illimitable:
Their standards are on the floor.

It’s the proverbial prodigal son that left his father’s house to start dining with a swine.

United fans went from winning 3 league titles in a row to celebrating 66 points with 6 games left plus zero titles to boot.

The Norwegian fraud has so much lowered the standard that beating Burnley has become winning a CL final. The previous manager got 81 points with a shittier defence.

The current manager spent £150m on that defence plus Bruno and he is still struggling to match 81 points. If he win all the remaining games(an impossible feat), he gets only 84 points.

Almost 3 years later and £300m spent on the squad that got 81 points and the only difference is 3 points minus trophies.

If this is progress, Buhari is a lesbian.

How much did your Greatest manager of all time spend that he was shouting up and down that he was not being back. Ole has spend far less than what he spend in three year.

Joezinho:
Stop acting like a blind doofus.

You didnt see where i wrote this? Obviously your brain it so useless knowledge bounce off your head as if it was coated with teflon..

"..Mou managed a team that had Valencia, Smalling,Jones, Ashley Young in defence and won Europa, Community Shield and Efl cup...

Jones and young were not involve in any of the final matches.
We had a lot of senior men in that team, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Carrick. That team is superior than what we have in midfield or attack currently and had more squad depth.

Lana1:
We were told 3rd place was not progrees last season because of 66 points.

We don reach 66 points now with 6 games to go. Oya shift goalpost to something else...."He hasn't made a final"

Goal Post don change since are you just observing. Winning a trophy is the improvement they want

Joezinho:
How can you play two holding midfield players at home to Burnley?

Who plays 2 defensive, backwards passing players with 0 footballing IQ to protect a pathetic centerback partnership?. Donny could easily play in there or where Pogba is and move Pogba in the centre but no. The man you and your kind defends wants to park the bus at home to Burnley.

Really 2 holding Midfielders that have been involved in all our high scoring match this season

Lana1:
Which is why we must buy a good DM and shore up the bench

In any top team Mcfred will be best use as squad player. Sure we need quality DM and lot of first team players, Most of our first thing players are useful as squad player.

Joezinho:
We at home against Burnley and he plays McFred
Why not play Pogba alongside either Fred or Mctominay and then have VDBeek, Mata, Amad or Cavani in the line up?


Ole sometimes can be funny. It is Burnley, man. Start Donny. Give Rashford proper rest.

Who are those that started against Sheffield United. Using both of them is better than losing our defensive shape.

Lana1:
I no like this Pogba at LW just to accomodate McTom and Fred.
A DM is a must this summer.

This is the best line up currently. Martial is injure, Cavani can't play all match. I

Karleb:
You can sell Pogba and end up buying flops, complete disasters with the so called profits.

A case of Neymar, Dembele, Coutinho should come to mind.

I don't get why people want Pogba out so bad. I mean, the management are not even complaining about his salary. They offered him that in the first place.

United faithfuls on this thread should just b calming down. That's how some wanted Cavani out, I mean, for what?

Pogba does not offer consistency, he could be world class in a game and be a total waste of place in another game.
My own concern is getting a player to replace him in the team will be damn too expensive than the 500k Euros. Then again, he could be given the wage, he desire and turn to a problem for the club like Sanchez and Bale in Madrid. It is a very tricky situation.

Expert17:
Kindly note, Yorupa league is not a trophy.

Europa League is far superior to Carling cup, Fa cup or community shield but for a coach of Mourinho caliber, Europa is not a major trophy he can be proud of.

Beorn:
Not true. Totally wrong. Chelsea sack coaches for a living. If you ain't competitive, Abrahimovic will fling you away, even his club legend like Lampard. And it works for him all the time. Pochettino was sacked coz his team was not as competitive as in the previous 5 seasons while languishing in the 14th postiion.




Not true once again. Madrid would keep sacking coaches till they get it right. They are too competitive to go the way of Inter or AC. When Madrid was failing to go past the R16 for many seasons, they kept sacking coaches and buying quality players till they got it right. They never stooped to the lows of AC or Inter.

Madrid sacked Capello after he had won the league for them simply because of his conservative style of play and his frosty relationship with some players. Madrid sacked Lopetegui after 5 months of hiring him. You don't know Madrid if you think they'd reduce their standards for any coach. Never ever!!

Both Lampard and Pochettino were sack when it seems impossible for both to qualifies for champions league.

Madrid standard was gradually reducing until Ancelloti won the champions league, Madrid of before won't keep a coach that wins only Copa del Rey and the league for three years.

Beorn:
If United doesn't learn from the curious case of Bale and gives Pogba 500k, I'll wash my hands off this club.

It is not an easy task for the management unless they can sell Pogba. Which quality Midfielder can man Utd get for 50 million euros

TrebleChamp:
Ok i know this is just rumour paper talk, but does Dablord truly deserve £500k per week. Wetin him dey play wey clubs go give am that kind money, somebody that clubs did not even bid for at the start of the season, despite his stupid agent and brothers running their mouth about Dablord readiness to leave United. Woodward had better not be unfortunate ooh, rubbish player....

This is a tough one for Man Utd Management, they have two option, Give him want he wants or lose him for free next season. This is 60 million for 5 years, can we get a Midfielder of his quality for 60 million.

Beorn:
Apples and oranges. Different clubs have different pedigree and ambitions.

Pochettino wasn't sacked in those 5+ seasons because he took Tottenham to a high pedestal they were struggling to reach before. Before, qualifying for UCL or finishing above Assanal was a rare occurrence for Tottenham, Assanal fans even has St. Totteringham Day for it to mock Spurs. Pochettino led them to back to back to back to back UCL qualifications, something that hadn't happened since EPL took its current format. He took them to a UCL final in an occasion he didn't buy a player and they moved to a new stadium. Those achievements are impressive and that's PROGRESS for a club like Tottenham. But Tottenham is not an elite club.


If Pochettino doesn't win trophies in 2 seasons at PSG, he'd be sacked. He won't be allowed to last long like he did at Tottenham. Tuchel won the league and took PSG to UCL final and he was still sacked. Shebi na progress? But why was he sacked? Ancelotti won the UCL for Madrid but was still sacked.

The pedigree of a club matters. While he made significant progress with Tottenham, that "progress" would be a failure at PSG. Club pass club. A coach's progress at one club is another coach's failure at another club.

When last did Man Utd qualified for consecutively champions league through the league. If Ole was employed immediately after Alex Ferguson, he will have been sacked for finished outside top 4 or for his failure to land a trophy but after Sir Alex Ferguson, we went from being a title contenders to just a big name club.

Only Man City in England will sack a coach for not being competitive, PSG and Bayern expect all their coach to win the league and compete strongly in the champions league. Real Madrid who sack any coach that does not compete strongly.

Football is very dynamic, let Real Madrid to fail to qualify, challenge competitively or win any major trophy for 5 seasons, their objectives will change. Look at AC Milan and Inter Milan.

hensben:
Una don Dey talk true small small. Pep is hiding his flaws under luxurious spending.

Your greatest manager spend over 466 millions euro in 2 years yet he could not win a major trophy rather he was shouting he is not being back. Your greatest has spend over 1 billion in 10 years, yet he has only 2 league title to show for it.

The only thing we all agree on this trend is that we want trophies.

nitrogen:
Comeback against PSG is a trophy now? Una no dey tire?

Comeback Utd!

Abeg, na major achievement.

BikeMan:
€310m!!

How much did Mourinho that was not supported spend in two years besides the bulk of this transfer fees were spend on over priced Player, youth players and fringe replacement.

Illimitable:
What winning mojo?

He won nothing at Spurs in almost 6 years.

Yet he was not sacked for 6 years let see what happen to your MCM

Expert17:
When he challenged for the title (did that twice).....he also bought players those seasons.

The season after he finished second without buying any Player, Did he buy players or not and which Position did he finish

Expert17:
But OLE is too young to challenge

My stand on Ole is clear, he has not failed in his objective to steady the ship. I prefer a Pochettino and Guardiola as Man Utd coach than Ole.

Expert17:
Bogus like Martail's 250K and Degea's 375K right?

We all know that Martial and Degea does not deserved their salary

Illimitable:
He wasn’t sacked because he showed promises but in the end, it was obvious he had lost it.

Losing 7-2 to Bayern at Wembley?

Bottom line, he was sacked basically because it seems he has lost his winning mojo and almost impossible for him to ensure Tottenham finish in top 4 hence his sack and appointment of Mourinho to stable the ship. Mourinho would be sack this season, if he doesn't qualify for Europe.

Illimitable:
It’s progress.

Klopp joined Liverpool in November 2015 & he got to a final in the same season. I remember his Liverpool team beating Man Utd over 2 legs on his way to the final.

In his first full season, he finished 4th.
In his 2nd full season, he was a finalist in CL.

In less than 3 years, Klopp went from playing Europa final to playing in CL final.

In less than 3 years, Ole cannot even spirit himself into any final. Even if it’s Principal Cup, he’s not capable.

That means, you agree that trophy does not show progress as Klopp fail to win any trophy in his first three season but was able to ensure Liverpool finish in the top 4. Case close.

Expert17:
So pochettino signed 80M defender like OLE?

Or Spurs players are the highest paid in the league?


The same Poch that went all the way to the final without signing a single player?

Can OLE try such?

Arsene Wenger was maintaining Arsenal top 4 status despite selling his best players, OLe should stop wasting funds if he just want top 4.

what happen to Pochettino, the next season he bought player.

Those players are on bogus salary

Illimitable:
He got to a final - he had already achieved more than Ole in 6 months than Ole has done in 3 years.

So getting to the final has turn to a trophy. Clap for yourself.

Illimitable:
What did Pochettino win at Spurs in almost 6 years he was there?

If you can find any trophy he won, you have won this argument.

You have 20 mins to respond.

Why was he not sack during those six seasons, this is to emphasize my point that trophy does not really show progress. Winning the league, Champions League those are what I consider as success rather than winning trophy that relegated Wigan and Portsmouth won.

Illimitable:
Your selective amnesia forgot Klopp played Europa league final in his debut season and lost narrowly to Sevilla?

Ole cannot get into a final in almost 3 years - why are you comparing him to Klopp?

Olesexuals like dumb comparisons.

Did he win a trophy that is the question.

Expert17:
It is by spending same amount with Clubs winning trophies and settling for just top 4.

How much as Ole spend compare to Cheshit and Man City. Maguire, Wan Bissaka, Bruno Fernandez, Daniel James, Telles and Van de Beek are the only permanent first team addition to this team in 3 years, Meanwhile the likes of Valencia, Young, Sanchez, Lukaku, Herrera, Smalling, Rojo, Fellaini, Darmian have all left the team, yet you guys keep screaming Ole has spend.

Illimitable:
Compare what?

Pochettino finished in the top four for more than four consecutively seasons what was Mourinho position in the three seasons with Man Utd

BikeMan:
Alabi, is this your brother?

Scummies are not informed and it shows. Do I need to remind you that he topped the group you were disgraced out of?

Was he sacked mid season or not.

Expert17:
Imagine, 4 semi-finals bottled in 2 seasons

Semi finals finished is far better than second round of quarter final finished. Your MCM Mourinho bottled up three consecutive champions league semi final with real Madrid.