@Boomark,

who is this [size=14pt]Man[/size] with His sword drawn in His hand?

Joshua 5:13-15

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

can you tell us who you feel the man was who appeared to the pulic/human/joshua on purpose and being sent by God.

and

who are 'the armies' here

briefly?

ur blood is too hot. dont u know i gat other things to do outside nairaland?

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks.
@free123

i can only quote Rev 2:1
an instruction is given to John to write to the angel of the church of Ephesus [/b]that these things says the person that holds the seven stars...

i just dont know what u want.

thank you for at least quoting from your own bible kjv, that renders that verse as 'angel'

lets see other verses you skipped;


revelation 3:1,3
3:1 [b]The angel of the church of Sardis …………..is reproved

verse(3) exhorted to repent, and threatened if he do not repent.

3:14 the angel of Laodicea …..rebuked for being neither hot nor cold,
2:8[b] The angel of the church of Smyrna[/b].

2:1 The angel of the church Ephesus.



do you know who these angels are? expecially that of sardis who allowed some extremes among the church members, and was treatened with the letter written to him so as to correct his attitude.

they are various (human) church leaders in various cities toured by the apostles, they are the lords messengers. do you want to dispute that?

response pls!

@Obadiah777

simple and plain english, i did not say that i cant tackle your post,see what i said again;

i dont even know where to start with these pls,

now see what you translate it to be, your comprehension is a debate for a tread alone! just see your translation of what isaid below;(bolded)

YOU CANT TACKLE THE POST [/b]IS YOUR WAY OF SAYING YOU CANT HANDLE THE HEAT AND YOU ARE GETTING OUT OF THE KITCHEN. I SUGGEST YOU DO THAT. THE REAL CHEFS ARE IN TOWN. WE CAN TAKE THE HEAT. WE ARE SEASONED COOKS

[b]there is nothing to tackle than to help you rearrange yourself and tidy your presentations before your post can be deemed fit to be treated as that of a normal post, but as it is, you are not following any principles or legitimate standards,(you may not agree but insult,you are free) im summary,your posts are uncultured and devoid of relevance. but i will still treat them as they are!

@plappvile
@truthislight

FUTURE PROPHESY WW3, WHEN GOG ( RUSSIA ) SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL ( THE FAKE JEWS CLAIMING TO BE JEWS BUT ARE NOT ), THE FURY OF THE LORD WILL COME IN HIS FACE THROUGH THE RUSSIANS. THE LORD ACTUALLY COMES DOWN AND PHYSICALLY FIGHTS THESE WARS HIMSELF USING PEOPLE.

THE LORD COME DOWN WITH THE SHOUT OF AN ARCHANGEL TO KICK BUTTS IN WAR TIMES. DURING THIS WW3 THE LORD WILL BE FIGHTING ON THE SIDE OF AHMEDINEJAD WHICH IS WHY IRAN WILL WIN. ITS BIBLICAL PROPHESY. IRAN WILL KICK AMERICAS BUTT. OF COURSE OTHER NATIONS WILL JOIN IN BUT THE IRANIAN CONGLOMERATE WILL PREVAIL.

i dont even know where to start with these pls, im DYING WITH LAUGHTER, water coming out of my eyes, i cant believe these posts, pls tackle them ehn?

@free123

All angels are messengers but not all messengers are angels. This is very simple to understand.

can you kindly paste(dont comment yet) what you found in these verses below, [size=16pt]strictly using your KJV[/size]king james version (be honest about it)

Revelation 2:1,3:1,3:14 and 2:8

im waiting your for response!

@boomark

im waiting now?

still waiting for your response on 'show a bible verse' and not your opinion that called angels public servants

again, can you pls add these alongside

1, who is satan ? is satan an angel? show a bible verse!

2, how does satan came about having 'his own angels'

free123

[size=18pt]where art thou?[/size] are you evading this question? as usual?
ok see it again and i and others are wainting pls

@free123

All angels are messengers but not all messengers are angels. This is very simple to understand.

can you kindly paste(dont comment yet) what you found in these verses below, [size=16pt]strictly using your KJV[/size]king james version (be honest about it)

Revelation 2:1,3:1,3:14 and 2:8

im waiting your for response!

@boomark

still waiting for your response on 'show a bible verse' and not your opinion that called angels public servants

again, can you pls add these alongside

1, who is satan ? is satan an angel?

2, how does satan came about having 'his own angels'

@free123

All angels are messengers but not all messengers are angels. This is very simple to understand.

can you kindly paste(dont comment yet) what you found in these verses below, [size=16pt]strictly using your KJV[/size]king james version (be honest about it)

Revelation 2:1,3:1,3:14 and 2:8

im waiting your for response!

@free123

Well Barrister
My KJV says

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come saith the LORD of hosts.

All angels are messengers but not all messengers are angels. This is very simple to understand.

there is no angel in that verse but in a haste to discredit Jesus, ur NWT inserted angel there to change the simple meaning of that verse.

NWT use my messenger and not angel! you see how wrongfull you are to accuse innocent NWT.

will you be humble to admit wrong accusation inthis particular case without justifying yourself using irrelevants? lets see

boomark

that's from NWT.

Public servants=ministers (ministering spirits)

i never use NWT in my write up here in NL never, it was even you that have claimed to use it,

quote bible verse that pronounce angel as public servants, and not your own interpretation pls, thanks

!free 123

worldly men trying to reduce my Saviour and King to an angel. Thank God KJV of the Bible is still intact.

Jesus is not angel Michael
Jesus is God.
Jesus is called God in many books of d Bible with simple and understandable language but men of T.Charles R. said no.

Bible never called Jesus angel Michael, NWT did by juxtaposing incoherent verses to deceive people.

you were lost since page 8, now see how the truth is sustained now we are in page 31, and will still go on and on,


see these 4 bibles, some as old as your grandpapa; (1899)

MALACHI 3:1

1, "Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and [size=14pt]the Lord[/size] whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the[size=16pt] Angel of the covenant,[/size] whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - DARBY

2, "Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, [size=16pt]and the Angel of the covenant[/size], whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - BBE - Bible in Basic English (modern english)

3, "BEHOLD, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord the Messiah, Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [size=16pt]Messenger or Angel of the covenant,[/size] Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts". - Amplified Bible.

4, "Behold, I send my Angel, and he shall prepare the way before me; and [size=14pt]the Lord[/size] whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the[size=16pt] Angel of the covenant,[/size] whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - Dual rheims 1899

NWT is not even among these! olodo!

@boomark

Romans 8:29-30
King James Version (KJV)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he
also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn
among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also
justified: and whom he justified,
them he also glorified.

His brothers(brethren) are his companions. The apostles we know kept him company. These people and others are those anointed as kings and will rule with him. They are co-heir with him. 1cor 1:9, Heb 2:11, 1Jn 1:3.

I don't know other features of the elders but they are not public servant. They serve God.

thank you, but the word 'public servant' is not used for the angel, i cant remember seing 'public servants' except ministering servants im i right?

[size=14pt]True2God claimed to be a proud member of ASSEMLIES OF GOD church confirmed on page 20[/size];

Thats the issue, i am not a catholic.[size=14pt] I worship with the assemlies of God church.[/size] The issue most JW hav is dat anytime their falsehood is being laid bare u guys assume its a catholic.

i actually loved his stout devotion to the[b] Assemblies of God church[/b] but few question, among load of discoveries,

1, During World War I, The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, carried this prediction: "We are not yet in the Armageddon struggle proper, but at its commencement, and it may be, if students of prophecy read the signs aright, that Christ will come before the present war closes, and before Armageddon...The war preliminary to Armageddon, it seems, has commenced." (April 10, 1917 edtion, page 3).
Other editions speculated that the end would come no later than [size=14pt]1934 or 1935[/size] ( May 13, 1916 pp 6-9 etc)

These predictions failed.

can true2God give us reasons for the failed prophecies in these various years?

@boomark a reminder pls, you are yet to give me your answer on this detail pls.

2b, apart from being srevants, are there other angelic features either in apeearance or form/look that differentiate them which is not shared by other spirit creatures in heaven other than the duties?.

again can you pls explain who jesus companions are; [i]'your companions' [/i]in this verse pls;

heb 1:9

You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your[size=14pt]companions[/size]

kindly answer pls.

@truthislight
see his(true2God) church,(many more are coming)

FAITH HEALING SERVICES (DELIVERANCE) assemblies of God church

see stage managed show! able bodied men paid to lie down as if they are ill, to deceive; wonders shall never end;

@truthislight

bros, the guy is a local champion.

Since bible is not his strength, but he is and has been a lie on NL, he is really very confuse now.

Let him come up and show a bible portion and point out how the portion of the bible is being contradicted so that he can be taken seriously.

The stu.pid.ity of truet2god is large in deep.

Him and myjoe/nimshi and one Benoghor really are a big deceit.

he will not, when there is no software in a particular device,to expect the device to perform a special task is impossible!true2God expecially is suffering from parkinsson's disease,he cannot retain informations and how do you expect him to react reasonably?

dont waste your pearl before swines, leave me with them, i will handle them,just focus on other things and watch!

truthislight

now, the real true2god has started coming out, and this has shown that your hanging unto this thread is not as a result of what you have to offer but you hate on JW.

You are free to post unverifiable claims as you like.

Can you please post bible doctrine and let us discuss it.

I am wandering what part of the bible that what you have posted contradict though i dont know the veracity of what you have posted Expercailly considering your dishonest anticident on this thread

can you post scriptures to help us understand what part of the word of God/ God's law that is being broken?

meanwhile, this sort of things are what your trade mark on this forum is all about since you dont have any light whatsoever to shine to others reading your post other than resorting to secondhanded means of attacking others.

Your presence here on this thread is a nuisance and is serving the purpose of the father of confussion satan the devil and that is exactly whose interest you have served so far since the bible is not your strength.

Dont worry, you will get you reward accordingly.

dont worry, just wait and see his mess, leave that to me!

@True2God

(true2God and failed prophecy part 1)contd;

[size=14pt]Kettle callin pot black[/size][/size]. I hav no hatred for JW or anybody but hatred for falsehood. I dnt even tink u read watchtower to see hw dey condemn christendom. Anyway dat apart. U called bible doctrines dogma and to u the following are not dogma:

1) Jesus christ starting his reign in 1914

2) Prophets of old will come down to earth in 1925 (berth serim).

3) the king of the north and the king of the south are both uunited states and nazi-germany before ww2 (reasonin frm the scriptures edition before 1945) and the king of the north and the king of the south were anglo-america and and the soviet union (reasoning frm the scriptures after 1945)

4) not all who witnessd world war 1 will die till Jehova make earth paradise (living forever in paradise on earth)

5) Blood transfussion is canibalis, but u can accept blood fraction (on medical issue)

6) Jesus christ is the mediator between God and only 144,000. Not all men. Etc

[size=12pt]if any1 beleive on these pooo as truth being taught by JW, the person should hav his brain examined.

[size=14pt]True2God claiming a proud member of ASSEMLIES OF GOD church confirmed on page 20[/size];

Thats the issue, i am not a catholic.[size=14pt] I worship with the assemlies of God church.[/size] The issue most JW hav is dat anytime their falsehood is being laid bare u guys assume its a catholic.

i actually loved his stout devotion to the church, but few question, among load of discoveries,

1, During World War I, The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, carried this prediction: "We are not yet in the Armageddon struggle proper, but at its commencement, and it may be, if students of prophecy read the signs aright, that Christ will come before the present war closes, and before Armageddon...The war preliminary to Armageddon, it seems, has commenced." (April 10, 1917 edtion, page 3).
Other editions speculated that the end would come no later than [size=14pt]1934 or 1935[/size] ( May 13, 1916 pp 6-9 etc)

These predictions failed.

(true2God and failed prophecy part 1a)

is Reverend Benny Hinn an Assemblies of God minister?.
you may see these links before you answer so that you dont neccesarily edit answers!

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/benny_hinn_sets_prophetic_dates.htm

or


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/assemblies_of_god.htm

(true2God and failed prophecy part 1b)

assemblies of God doctrines;

a.HOLY LAUGHTER HERESY
b,SPEAKING IN TONGUES HERESY
c,LOSING SALVATION HERESY
d,FAITH HEALING SERVICES (DELIVERANCE)


i would love to disccuss above doctrine of yours, but first


a.HOLY LAUGHTER HERESY

is it true that there is actualy a doctrine of yours whereby you guys laugh like a jackall and disguise the abnormal laugh as a.HOLY LAUGHTER?

see what i mean, a carricature of one presido as an example of extreme uncontrolled laughter?
could be mistaken for insanity,

below pls;

@ true2God

Lol. Dats mr Bean.

Good boy!

what about this below?

@boomark

2b, apart from being srevants, are there other angelic features either in apeearance or form/look that differentiate them which is not shared by other spirit creatures in heaven other than the duties?.

again can you pls explain who jesus companions are; [i]'your companions' [/i]in this verse pls;

heb 1:9

You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your[size=14pt]companions[/size]

kindly answer pls.

I gave a full response, and if u r not mischievous in ur argument quote the full length of my response den u can do ur analysis.

i have adressed your response, but as a ysterday and paceless man, you only adressed truthislight, and jumped my response

even Boomark aknowledge it, see boldly on this page;

Boomark response;

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

John and Jesus were called angels in the same verse. You brought a proof from Revelation which shows that angels of the churches are messengers.

Using Boomark's uniformity theorem, we agreed that in that verse, angel=messenger.

do you ask yourself why someone that i adressed your post together is confirming this above, but you are lost, are you suffering from parkinsson's disease? if not you will not write these below;

Hope u saw my recent post and u choose to turn a blind eye. Disprove my post i did just before now.

Hypocrites and liars (barrister\falsehoodisdarkness).

again we are concerned about the topic 'jesus as archangel micheal or not' you were lost and using irrelevant to the topic issues as a cover up!

why are you snubbing your failed prophecy that i pasted, disprove it now! ole!

see you face below, Anofiaaaa!

[size=18pt]Kettle(true2God) callin pot black[/size]. I hav no hatred for JW or anybody but hatred for falsehood. I dnt even tink u read watchtower to see hw dey condemn christendom. Anyway dat apart. U called bible doctrines dogma and to u the following are not dogma:

1) Jesus christ starting his reign in 1914

2) Prophets of old will come down to earth in 1925 (berth serim).

3) the king of the north and the king of the south are both uunited states and nazi-germany before ww2 (reasonin frm the scriptures edition before 1945) and the king of the north and the king of the south were anglo-america and and the soviet union (reasoning frm the scriptures after 1945)

4) not all who witnessd world war 1 will die till Jehova make earth paradise (living forever in paradise on earth)

5) Blood transfussion is canibalis, but u can accept blood fraction (on medical issue)

6) Jesus christ is the mediator between God and only 144,000. Not all men. Etc

if any1 beleive on these pooo as truth being taught by JW, the person should hav his brain examined.

true2God failed predictions part 1(more parts are coming)


TRUE2GOD

Malachi never called or interpreatwd Jesus as an angel, neither did any new testament apostle or teacher hold this view. Neither do 99% of oda xtain congregations held dis believe.

true2God changing gear and making u turn, he agreed that some bible translations actually rendered malachi 3:1 as angels

many authors rendered messengers as angels

what a doom prophet true2God!

@boomark

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

bolded above, the bible have told us who an angel was,and did not erred in but rightly reffered to human leaders in churches of ephesus,smirna,sardis and laodecia among others as 'angels', and more than 95 percent of bibles attest to this,at it appears originally as angelos in greek words in the original manuscripts.

and the stage we are now,is not our own interpretation but what has been originally penned down. until we actually show directly from the bible,and we did!

you cannot deny the fact that 'angel of the covenant' is jesus christ in malachi 3:1

but if you deny or disagree with that as shown to you in some translations, then answer this question below

1, who is an angel?

2a, what are the features of an angel that distinguish them from other spirit creatures in heaven?

or
2b, angelic features not shared by other spirit creatures in heaven.

urgent answer pls!

@Boomark

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

John and Jesus were called angels in the same verse. You brought a proof from Revelation which shows that angels of the churches are messengers.

Using Boomark's uniformity theorem, we agreed that in that verse, angel=messenger.

God bless you my brother,

precisely on page 25,some whole 5 pages away,(anybody can scroll back to confirm)but im lifting part of it back on this page(in purple color);

@true2God

Scroll back and read my analysis of malachi 3:1 u will see my stands on it. One messenger was to prepare the way for another messanger. One messanger comes with the spirit of Elijah (John the baptist) and the other messanger comes as a messiah (Jesus christ), filles with holy spirit. [size=16pt]So non of the two is an angel. [/size]Dont believe lies and dnt propagate lies.

i hope you will not throw away your bible when you saw humans reffered to as an angel
check these in yours but be softly ooo;


using the same bible translations that i have seen him relying on (king james version)

will you be surprised again or accept the truth if you actually found out that king james version and almost all bibles agreed to call 'human' angels? precisely leaders delegated to lead the early congregation/churches/assemblies of God people?

now lets find out,Revelation 2:1,3:1,3:14 and 2:8 among many reffered to as angels;

2:1 The [size=16pt]angel of the church Ephesus[/size].

3:1 [size=14pt]The angel of the church of Sardis[/size] …………..is reproved verse(3)

3:14 [size=14pt]the angel of Laodicea[/size] …..rebuked for being neither hot nor cold,
2:8 [size=14pt]The angel of the church of Smyrna[/size].

using the ''bible cc'' http://bible.cc/revelation/2-1.htm that you(boomark) directed me to use,
i found explanations on revelation 2:1 about who 'the angel of the church of ephesus' was
The angel or bishop at this time was most probably Timothy, who presided over that Church before St. John

not one,two or three humans were actually called angels in true2Gods own bible,and almost all the bible in the book of revelation above!

having seen that, true2God started fighting his own bible what was written there, this way on page 29

true2God

I still stand to be corrected, many authors rendered messengers as angels, even tho' they (the messangers are not partcularly angels) while others do not.

you will wonder that, someone who doesnt respond or prove otherwise,but forcefull denial to his own bible(king james version,which he quote from,)rendered human church leaders as angels in revelation 2:1,3:1,3:14 and 2:8.

how do you work with someone who is 'a yesterday man' who works in decending form, not up to date,stark illiterate,indecent in approach,gullible and olodo rabata oju eja-lomooje like this?

common, i just have to device a way to tackle an unyielding and willfull paceless people like true2God; engage them in some embarassing way and sustain it! never give them undeserved respect because they dont merit it, dip their face in a mud so that they appear in who they truly look like! a pig! because they are not a material, until he change his ways i will sustain a streak of attack on his person, he will be surprised what i have in stock for him,he will regret ever meeting someone like myself. shikena!

frosbel

Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is not an Angel.

This is just pure heresy !!

you ran away without treating hebrews 2:9 'jesus was made lower than the angels'

is jesus qualified to rdeem humankind? qualificationwise! frosbel pls answer dont run away!

@plappvile

True2God to BARRISTERS confirming what barristers had treated in page 14, now in page 30;

John the baptist was also rendered (by some translations) as 'angel' as well in dis same verse and chapter of malachi.

barristers had long treated what idiot true2God just confirm in page 30 above,since in page 14 before thus;

[quote]all angels and spirit creatures are reffered to as 'sons of God' in the sense that they are ;all spirits,including jesus and God almighty, and that spirit form superceeds our human form.
(a) but the word 'angels'...meaning messanger/servant etc; in spirit form; 'angels'share the elementary task of beign delegated messanger/servant 'the office'

(b) human prophets, pastors etc are also worthy to be reffered to as messanger but share the office of 'messanger/servant too with angels but, 'in human form'

thats why an angel told john that ''they are fellows'' But he said unto me, 'Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you [/b]and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book.

revelation 19 :10 answers your question,0 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: [size=14pt]I am thy fellowservant,[/size] and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
looking at the greek defination of angels
G32

ἄγγελος

aggelos

ang'-el-os

From ἀγγέλλω aggellō ; a messenger ; especially an angel ;[b] by implication a pastor: [priest]- [prophet] {angel} messenger.


(primary) use of the word (ang'-el -os)angel reffers to spirit beigns, like that of the son of man, as a messenger,

but (bolded defntn above) also has an extention (secondary) to a prophet, priests or pastors.of which john fell into that category! but the angel recognises his duties and funtion and declared to john that 'im a fellow servant'.

you do exist firstly as a phisical gender,male (primarily).before beign delegated to some duties,as a messanger/servant, that does not change you to spirits. no.

Angel/messengers are assignments delegated to (1)either spirit messanger, or (2) human messanger

so john was Gods messenger in humans form,that does not make him a spirit.

after this response ever since on page 14, now on page 29, an idiot called true2God is still recycling a treated question above; like this below;

According ur ur reasoniing, John being rendered here as an angel is 'symbolic' or non literal but christ being renderec here as 'angel of the covenant' is literal.

did i say anything like literal here or (1) spirit messanger, (jesus)or (2) human messanger (john)

since page 14! how do you work with a stark illiterate who is also cursed! infected with a virus.now on page 30 an idiot has not comprehend page 14 facts, alagono true2God, olodo agbero omo ita.

see his elementary code below after showing him the defination of angel from greek words on page 14,

true2God to barristers

Take an instance, many guys call their wife\girl friend 'my angel', does dat make ladies\women\wives\girls angels? No.

how can a bible translator expecially the old one of 1899 as ols as true2God grandpapa, will merely base their translation to merely 'my angel' despite providing solid proofs before the bible 4 translations proofs true2God is still dreaming of a personal giirlfriend as 'my angel' when he doesnt even read, because he is olodo and merit every single insults.

Ray fouchers work was presented to him a non WTS, but he cant dispute it,just on a benefit of doubt,but does true2God merit it? noo, he is being infected with a virus, But stupidly continuing wallowing in ignorance,blaming WTS,what a colomental true2God?anofiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

@plappvile

You re right, some people are a wast of time, i ve given up with @true2god, He rufuses to threat several questions. Keep crying of JW here and there.I suggest his user name to be changed to ◆lie2god◆ {@ true2go, am jokiing ooo}.

on page 17, he asked;

@True2God to BARRISTERS

My question to u again is, 'is Jesus christ an angel'? U can do me a favour by bein straight about it

.

BARRISTERS response to true2God;

[size=18pt]yes[/size], he was once reffered to as angel malachi 3:1.

@True2God to BARRISTERS

@ Barrister, pls i need u tell the whole world reading your long post so far, is Jesus christ an angel? Please answer yes or no.

BARRISTERS: @True2God again

i have answered in page 17 before, and im answering now again,[size=18pt] yes[/size], he was once reffered to as angel malachi 3:1.

but he will never answer or respond to questions,and if he does, he doesnt comprehend! stark illiterate!

true2God failed predictions

true2God

Malachi never called or interpreatwd Jesus as an angel, neither did any new testament apostle or teacher hold this view. Neither do 99% of oda xtain congregations held dis believe.

true2God changing gear and making u turn, he agreed that some bible translations actually rendered malachi 3:1 as angels

I still stand to be corrected, many authors rendered messengers as angels

[size=14pt]what a doom prophet true2God! chai![/size]

@true2God

So ur challenges here us dat Jesus was called mighty God and not almighty God so he is not God but an angel. An angel is called mighty God and u hav sense of reasoning to concur to dat. Dats bad of u cos im vry sure u neva study the bible independently but just quotin dogmas as taught u by WTS.

WTS hurts you a lot, isnt it?

but see those who are jws

see these write up below from[b] a non JW;[/b]

http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/michael-archangel.html Ray Foucher

Michael the Archangel
(Part 4 of 4)

Who is Michael the archangel? The being referred to as Michael is mentioned by that name five times in the Bible: Dan 10:13, 10:21, 12:1, Jude 9 and Rev 12:7.

This is part 4 of a study to answer the question: "Who is Michael the Archangel?" For background, we have looked at a few related topics and have established that:

angels are messengers and not always what we regard as angelic beings - Part 1 - What are Angels?
there is only one archangel and he goes by the name of Michael - Part 2 - What are Archangels?
angels are His (Jesus') angels; He is the head of them - Part 3 - Jesus and Angels
The name Michael, in Hebrew, has the meaning of "who is like God?" It is both a question and a challenge. Satan's rebellion is essentially an attempt to install himself on the throne of God and "be like the most high"

"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Isa 14:14)
Thus, the name Michael is most fitting for Him who has taken on the task of disproving Satan's charges, and vindicating the character of God and his right to the throne. In each of the five uses of Michael (only one of which uses the phrase "Michael the archangel", notice how the scene involves Christ in conflict with Satan. Let's look at each one.

First Use of Michael

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." (Dan 10:13)
The "me" of this verse is likely the angel Gabriel - who is never referred to as an archangel. He had appeared to Daniel previously to explain things to him (Dan 8:16-17, 9:21-22). It cannot be Michael because Michael is spoken of by Gabriel as another individual.

"The prince of the kingdom of Persia" was Satan directing the literal kings of Persia. A literal king would not be able to withstand the angel Gabriel for twenty days, only a being of the same order could. Before his fall, Satan was a covering cherub (Eze 28:14) close in position to God. He led a rebellion among the angels against God and was influential enough to draw one third of them to his side (Rev 12:4, 7-9).

Regarding the phrase "One of the chief princes," the KJV marginal note says "or the first."

"Michael ... came to help me." Only someone more powerful than Gabriel or Satan could resolve this situation. It was not any angel that came but Michael the archangel, the head of the angels. The phrase "and I remained" is translated by the NIV as "because I was detained." Michael had to come to Gabriel's aid.

All three Old Testament references to Michael refer to him by using the word prince(s):

"Michael, one of the chief princes" (Dan 10:13)
"Michael your prince" (Dan 10:21)
"Michael ... the great prince" (Dan 12:1)
The marginal note for "one of" in Dan 10:13 is "Or, the first." So He is not one of a number of equals the thought of which disturbs some people.

Is Christ referred to elsewhere using the term prince? In vision, Daniel refers to the prince of the host (Dan 8:11). What is the host that he is the prince of? The word host is used in a number of ways, often meaning simply a great multitude. It is sometimes used in reference to angels:

"And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying," (Luke 2:13). It would appear that the host of which Michael is the prince are the angels.
Being Michael the archangel or head of the angels is equivalant to being the prince of the host of the angels.

Joshua 5:13-15 mentions a being who refers to himself as "captain of the host of the Lord." The margin says "prince" (v14). "Joshua fell on his face ... and did worship." Only God can rightly receive worship (v15). "And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy..." Moses was told the same thing when he appeared before the Lord in the burning bush (Ex 3:5, Acts 7:33). Note who was speaking to him:

"And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. (Exo 3:2)
In Gabriel's explanation of the vision he refers to this same being as the "Prince of princes" (Dan 8:25). Prince of princes is a reference to deity and is similar to:

Lord of lords: Ps 136:3, Deut 10:17, 1Tim 6:15, Rev 17:14, 19:16
God of gods: Ps 136:2, Deut 10:17
King of kings: 1Tim 6:15, Rev 17:14, 19:16
These verses include unquestionable references to Jesus. He is referred to as a prince in other ways in the New Testament:

"And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses." (Acts 3:15)
"Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." (Acts 5:31)

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," (Rev 1:5)
Second Use of Michael

"But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth exerts himself with me in these things, but Michael your prince." (Dan 10:21)
Gabriel is still speaking and referring to Michael as another being. "These things" refers to v20 "...and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia..." Again, a conflict with Satan is being described.

Third Use of Michael

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." (Dan 12:1)
It is Christ who stands for us, who offers to stand in our place in the judgment. The phrase "written in the book" connects this with the judgment. "Thy people shall be delivered" is referring to God's people being delivered from the powers of darkness in a time of great conflict, a "time of trouble such as never was."

Fourth Use of Michael

This is the only Biblical reference to use the exact term "Michael the archangel:"

"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9)
Again, there is a conflict between Christ and Satan, this time over the body of Moses who was buried by God Himself (Deut 34:5-6). We know that Christ was successful in raising Moses from the dead because Moses later appeared at the transfiguration (Matt 17:3). Some have argued that since Michael the archangel said "The Lord rebuke thee" he was calling on the Lord to do the rebuking and therefore could not be the Lord himself. However, Zech 3:2 shows that this is not necessarily so as the speaker here, obviously the Lord, says the same thing:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee... " (Zech 3:2)
The confusion can be cleared up when we allow the Bible to defin its own terms. Who would contend with Satan for the body of Moses but Jesus? No angel has the power to raise him from the dead.

Fifth Use of Michael

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels," (Rev 12:7)
This verse says that the angels are Michael's angels. He is obviously in charge of them in some way and could even be understood to have ownership of them. Peter, talking of Jesus, says:

"Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him." (1Pet 3:22)
Angels are subject to Jesus not to another angel. Calling Jesus by the name "Michael the archangel" is not degrading as some think. It no more makes Him an ordinary angel than calling him the "Lamb of God" makes Him an animal. He is not "an" angel, rather He is "the head of" the angels. Compare:

"For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways." Psalms 91:11

"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" (Heb 1:13-14)

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@true2God

Malachi never called or interpreatwd Jesus as an angel, neither did any new testament apostle or teacher hold this view. Neither do 99% of oda xtain congregations held dis believe.

with this statement above, you have lost your relevance on nairaland,infact you have lost relevance or being taken seriously since page (19) maybe you need bigger lenses or pretend,making forcefull denial in front of strong proofs below, see these bibles, some as old as your grandfathers (1899)

MALACHI 3:1

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and [size=14pt]the Lord[/size] whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the[size=16pt] Angel of the covenant,[/size] whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - DARBY

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, [size=16pt]and the Angel of the covenant[/size], whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - BBE - Bible in Basic English (modern english)

"BEHOLD, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord the Messiah, Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [size=16pt]Messenger or Angel of the covenant,[/size] Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts". - Amplified Bible.

can you see now with your olodo-agbero-ome-ita small brain?

even[size=18pt] see how animals are laughing at you[/size],because they knew that your lies are obvious,

furthermore;

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called [size=14pt]Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"[/size]. - Isa 9:6.

bolded above, jesus christ (the name that fired him above every other name was not mentioned but concealed for a purpose)

jesus never elevate himself had it being he was the almighty God[size=14pt] but he was elevated [/size]by a 'superior father' who made him better than the angels only after he obtained 'the exelent name' (jesus);

heb 1:4;
4, Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name [/i]than they

what is contained in isiah 9:6 are mere fleet of titles,

[size=12pt]here is the real 'name' concealed from mere titles in OT especially isa 9:6;
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philipians 2:9-11

9 Wherefore [i]God also hath highly exalted him, and given him[b] a name which is above every name:[/b]

10 That at the name of [size=18pt]Jesus [/size]every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that [size=18pt]Jesus Christ is Lord[/size], to the glory of God the Father.

The title 'Mighty God' was used for jesus and ALMIGHTY GOD was for the father the creator, NOWHERE WAS ALMIGHTY GOD used for jesus!

Exudus 6:3;

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of[size=16pt] God Almighty[/size], but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them

other gods

the title God or god originally were in vowels in hebrews, so the issue of uppercase and lowercase were subject to debate.see wikipedia 'Gods name' but depending on how we value our Creator,as christians we choose to use uppercase for our cherished God Almighty as in exod. 6:3 above. while we also distinguish between Almighty God and jesus using Uppercase LORD (Almighty) in OT and lowercase 'lord'(jesus) respectively;

so when God said;
Exodus 20:3 "You shall have [b]no other gods [/b]before me

or when paul was reffered to a 'god' in acts 28:6

it shows that there exist other gods apart from the Almighty creator, hence Mighty God/god,we are not denying jesus as a mighty God since words like mighty angels too were used in the bible, but the word or title ALMIGHTY was never used for jesus, and besides, they are mere titles.