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Religion / Re: Can A Born Again Christian Be A Soldier? by BARRISTERS: 3:54pm On Oct 24, 2012

@image123

Your advice is good, but still the Bible does not condemn a soldier or tell christians not to be soldiers. Soldiers came to John, the greatest man that ever lived. Soldiers came to Jesus, Peter went to a soldier. None was told that it is wrong to be a soldier. Christians can be involved in peace making, and many times, peace making involves punishing offenders and criminals. It's not about repairing kingdoms. Not all soldiers get to kill BTW. And we have many nigerian policemen who have killed more than many soldiers, and tortured more innocent people than even many criminals. In the end, each individual should be led by the Spirit of God in their various profession and decision. One can still sin even as a priest.

lie!!!

When jesus was going to be unjustly arrested and one of those with Jesus cut off the ear of a slave of the high priest,
“then Jesus said to him: ‘Return your sword to its place,[size=14pt] for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than twelve legions of angels?’” [/size](Matt. 26:52, 53) Thus, although he had the opportunity to call for the aid of at least 60,000 angels, he continued to exercise self-control.

Micah 4:3
3 He shall judge between many peoples,
And rebuke strong nations afar off;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
[size=14pt]Neither shall they learn war anymore[/size].

Lastly
TRUE Christians listen and obey the words of Jesus. At Matt. 5:44, he said:

"However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you."

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Religion / Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Pastors Preach Contentment? *picture* by BARRISTERS: 12:57am On Oct 08, 2012

any pastor veryn sure of himself should go to borno state permanently and performed miracles and not reaping where they did not deservedly sowed,its a crime to control someone's mentality the way Nigerian pastors do!

Religion / Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Pastors Preach Contentment? *picture* by BARRISTERS: 12:48am On Oct 08, 2012

I wonder why Nigerians cannot manage little means, a chineese workers would manage a car to transport them to work,they will force theirself to settle for less,4 persons per car and manage a flat with 5 or more persons and yet they are expatriates here in lagos, but a Nigerian person will never settle for less,he wants a personal car and house even when he does not need them or cannot put them to full use,is that not madness? its time we tackle the roots of greed,starting with prosperity pastors,if they are sure of their miracle,let them go to borno-state,cowards!

Religion / Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Pastors Preach Contentment? *picture* by BARRISTERS: 12:39am On Oct 08, 2012

Nigerians, do not forget dat every thing that is good is sometimes dominated by the evil men do. Why not see the good aspect of pastorship, am quite sure dat churches dont use guns to collect money.

If you go to any church and they are asking for money and u dont want to give kindly seat happily. The givers themselve hardly complain cos they keep getting more it is the poor minded and poverty ridden.

If assuming i take u to a scanty church, with wooden walls and lack of instruments to worship since no funds and yet the pastor preaches contentment i doubt u wuld stay there, same person will be looking for where all is perfect and lots of members females well dressed beautifully u forget the church money goes into all these.

Stop all this rants and give if u av and undastand what giving is all about then will u recieve

you are a greedy person, read what the bible says,instead of a concortion put together as 'law of giving to greedy pastors and not the real needy ones' read;

Proverbs 15:16
King James Version (KJV)
[size=18pt]Better is little with the fear of the Lord than great treasure and trouble therewith.[/size]

Religion / Re: The Wonderful Truth Of The Trinity by BARRISTERS: 5:46pm On Sep 29, 2012

@Alethia

The book of Job has many verses that testify that the coming Redeemer is God Himself!

you claimed that the book of job has many verses to back your claim,but it will be noteworthy that you CANNOT QUOTE JUST ONE, but to rely on someone else, and even the one you relied on is not even related to what you claim,
But then there are facts that are too glaring here;
1,God did not hide his identity and christ's identity from us,but God wants humans to know that he and his son jesus are two different 'persons', proof john 17:3;

Now this is eternal life: [size=14pt]that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."[/size] John 17:3

2, God wants us to know jesus only as his 'son' and not as Almighty God;
John 5:5
New International Version (NIV)
5 Who is it that overcomes the world? [size=14pt]Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
[/size]
3,jesus as a different person from God,and a messenger to God;

John 6:38-40
"[size=14pt]For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.[/size] And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

4,strong proof God is sending his messanger,and not himself,read;

Malachi 3:1-3
New International Version (NIV)
3 [size=14pt]“I will send my messenger,[/size] who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

[size=14pt]2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?[/size] For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,

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Religion / Docjay487......a Misleading Topic To Fan Sentiments Against Jehovah's Witnesses by BARRISTERS: 1:05pm On Sep 28, 2012

Im surprised that many people never bother theirself to 'connect the topic' with 'your explanations' and were carried away with the fact that there is a general hatred for the JWS,(jehovah's witnesses),and you have been able to fan some sentiments against the jws by muddling up issues here, what do i mean?

your topic reads(below)in the link pasted under;

[size=14pt]We Are Called To Be Jesus' Witnesses Not Jehovahs Witnesses[/size]https://www.nairaland.com/782207/called-jesus-witnesses-not-jehovahs

one would at least expect you to quote the bible verse that jws relied upon to arrive at that name 'Jehovahs Witnesses' since you claim to have listen to them,you need to prove to us that it was jesus that was reffered to using the same verse, and not God jehovah himself.and since you did not have the patience to ask them about the bible verse that they relied upon,because you did not quote any bible verse they showed you, to assume the name,and that should have been subject to correction from the debate, here is the bible verse that they relied upon;

Isaiah 43:10-12
King James Version (KJV)

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

convieniently the word ''witnesses'' were directed by God to 'a certain people' known here as Gods own people then,which are the isrealites.

Now, the issue here is that since jesus was'nt here on the earth jesus was'nt involved during the time that the statement was made.
And sentiments apart, you Docjay487 knew in your mind that the trinitarians will not agree that God is not jesus, and so trinitarians will be easily 'bought over' here to join in chorus to say that jesus was the same God that was speaking,and i believed that many on the tread have a different opinion to this issue had it been that you come from the angle that your argument rest on trinity basis.,maybe jesus is God or God is jesus is another topic entirely, but the issue here is that of the name 'jehovah's witnesses' which you feel should have been 'jesus witnesses', going by the quoted verse above relied upon by jehovahs witnesses; lets read again;

verse 10;
10[size=14pt] Ye are my witnesses,[/size] saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: [size=14pt]therefore ye are[i] my witnesses,[/i] saith the Lord, that I am God.[/size]

convieniently without translations above here the word 'ye are my witnesses' was used twice in two verses by God himself,

but here are your explanations below,and after going through all the bible that you quoted not even one can we see the word ''witnesses'' and how people on the tread could not fish that error out is a surprise!

lets see your xplanations below just the way you highlight your points; nowhere was 'a witness to jesus mentioned' in all the verses highlighted below;i mean 21 verses with no mention of 'witnesses of christ' see them again;

In whose name should we meet together? (Matthew 18:20; 1 Corinthians 5:4)

Demons are subject to whose name? (Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)

Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name? (Luke 24:47)

In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12; 3:16; Acts 10:43; I John 3:23; 5:13)

By whose name, and NO OTHER, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)

Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer? (John 14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23, 24)

In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent? (John 14:26)

Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame? (Acts 3:16; 4:7-10, 30)

Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1 Corinthians 1:2)?

Whose name is above every name (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11)

The answer to each of these questions is Jesus Christ, not Jehovah. We are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ, not Jehovah (as some claim to be and moreover, 'the only bible based true Religion'.

i think every one should know that while the verses relied upon by the jws in the book of isaiah up there truly have the saying directly the 'ye are my witnesses' it will take a lot of translations to arrive at 'jesus witnesses' with all these 21 verses above that no one of the verse directly mention 'jesus witnesses' as the isaiah 43:10-12 which jws relied on.

One would ask that are jws the isrealites that God was directing the words to? it is not an issue in this case, but the issue here is that God direct his words to a group of people them called the isrealtes,of which he God choose as his special property out of all nations of the world.

The issue now lies on who should receive our worship? is it God or jesus?

JWS believed that jesus,is the son of God, and not God himself, this assertion is also shared by some other christians,but it will not be an issue here because issue of trinity is another topic entirely,so others who dont believe in trinity will agree that isaiah 43:10-12, the one who is talking there is not jesus but God almighty himself.

Now, do jws not recognise jesus?

The truth of the matter here is that many are not patient to hear the view of jws on jesus, and many trinitarians always use the fact that jws do not believe that christ is God almighty, trinitarians seek the surport of other christians who did not believe that christ is God to attack jws, but here are jws belief about jesus;

they believe that 'jesus is the son of God' and not God almighty!

Do jws pray by jesus name? BIG YES! i can say that jws prayer is absolutely incomplete without the mention of jesus name!they recognise jesus as 'whom was sent by God to save humans'.

their prayers always recognise jesus as 'whom to directs prayers through' that is 'a channel' an 'office' of christ jesus, and not that prayers should be directed to jesus,no! it must be 'through jesus' and not 'to jesus' please note these differences for refference sake. there is a difference in 'directing a message to s*one,and through s*one. while the former is the destination of the message,the later is not the destination,note that pls.

how do we know that even after jesus has come and left,we are to still direct our worship to God almighty?
lets use the bible again, this time around is the last book of the bible;

Revelation 1:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 And from [size=14pt]Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness[/size], and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

[size=14pt]Now if jesus is a faithfull witness himself as recorded in rev1:5 above,then whose witness is jesus? answer that in your reply,and dont dodge[/size]!

and who is jesus talking to about manifesting his name below,showing that he bears a witness to Gods name, or is jesus talking to himself?

John 17:6
King James Version (KJV)
[size=14pt]I have manifested thy name [/size]unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

and finally, after jesus has already left for heaven, who did the angel told john to direct his worship,is it jesus? read it yourself;

Revelation 19:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. [size=14pt]Worship God![/size] For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

clearly, john was told by the angel to direct his worship to God,recognising jesus only as 'a prophet'.

i think it is logical to say that if JWS recognise God almighty as 'one'God.
They believed that God has a name,and since many of the bible translators ommited the name while translating the hebrew/greek to english language because God's name in these original manuscripts was rendered in four consonants, pronounced YHWH,JHVH,etc, some bible translators ommitted the name completely, while oldest translators like (king james version) not new king james ver. captures JEHOVAH clearly, while some captures 'YHWH' or EL-SHADDAI, lets see that;

(1)
Exodus 6:2-3
New International Version (NIV)

2 God also said to Moses, “I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty,[a] but by my name the Lord[b] I did not make myself fully known to them.

(2)
Exodus 6:2-3
New King James Version (NKJV)

2 And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Lord I was not known to them.
(3)
Exodus 6:2-3

New Living Translation (NLT)

2 And God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh—‘the Lord.’[a] 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—but I did not reveal [b]my name, Yahweh, to them
(4)
Exodus 6:2-3
king james version.
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVA was I not known to them.

reading the 'new verson' of king james number (2) above,
2 And God spoke....... “I am the Lord. 3 I ........ as God Almighty, but by [b[b]]My name Lord[/b][/b] I was not known to them.

Gods name was deliberately removed from the new king james translation,but his name that was not known cannot be 'lord' again when he had earlier declared himself to 'lord', but his name that was not known to those mentioned in the same verse was actualy mentioned in older translation,expecially king james version (old);

''3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVA [/b]was I not known to them.

So,in summarry;
# i think it is logical to say that JWS recognise God almighty as 'one'God.

# They believed that God has a name,and since many of the bible translators ommited the name while translating the hebrew/greek to english language they base their belief on King james old version of Gods name as JEHOVA.

# They based the aquisition of Their name 'Jehovahs Witnesses' partly on;
Isaiah 43:10-12

King James Version (KJV)

10 [b]Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

# They believe that christ is Gods son,and not God almighty himself.
# Their chosen name was solely based on the bible (isaiah 43:10-12)above. on why they feel that 'they are the one the words in isaiah was directed to is not an issue here' because the OP has failed in all his 21 quoted verses to show where 'a mention of jesus witnesses' was mentioned but rather his quoted verses was addressing another issue of 'who should our worship be directed to' this assumption is based on the failed verses that he highlightes that does not even bear a witness.

A jehovah witness kept storming me with his teaching that I should always shout jehovah! jehovah!! jehovah !!! to sanctify the name while praying that the name was too and so important that it is necessary(the shouting) to get my prayer answered. I didnt ask for refrences though (I played the ignorant).
I decided to ask him the followig questions but he ran away after getting his faith shaken by a debate about SPIRIT and HELL with me(the next sunday). so am forwarding these to you:

im not a jw! but they dont shout on people, and your assertions above is misleading and meant to fan sentiments against them!

i doubt if it was jw that you said want to run away, because i can equally tackle you with ease and lets see who will run away! i dare you. bring on the hell and spirit issue,open another thread and i will join you,while seing this one to a logical conclusion.
but a note of warning, if you start with insult? im up to the task, address the queries above one by one.

it is noteworthy that after my response to the original topic in the link, you absconded, here is it again.you need to respond.

Religion / Re: Pastor Bakare Attacks Patience Jonathan by BARRISTERS: 9:48am On Sep 26, 2012

SEE POOR PASTOR BAKARE (IN THE MIDDLE) BACK IN THE DAYS WITH E.A. ADEBOYE

Travel / Re: Aviation Minister Threatens To Sue Arik Air by BARRISTERS: 12:47am On Sep 23, 2012

If not because we living in the ERA of retardeen, how can 3 airlines pack up operation within just 4months, this is totally absurd, any serious president should take a critical look into this, somethings is seriously wrong somewhere, and concerning the issue raised by ARIK, i think its a very serious allegation which i know ARIK wont have gone public if there is no iota of truth in it......the beautician hands are not clean in this issue no matter how much innocence she claims....God bless Nigeria.

Not the presidents fault pls! but the beautician as you said 'only follow suit' of a tradition earlier followed by 'borisade' 'femi-fani-kayode' 'kema-chikwe'et-al..., she went on fixing eye lashes everyday, and loined the cabal in 'syphoining the aviation industry' to meet her target of those whose impose her, just let us be happy that Arik showed her that they have more bigger people than her and her sponsors!

Religion / Re: The Wonderful Truth Of The Trinity by BARRISTERS: 12:36am On Sep 23, 2012

FROSBEL

yet to prove jehovahs witnesses wrong!

Religion / Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Trinitarians Got It All Wrong - Did Jesus Resurrect Bodily by BARRISTERS: 12:14am On Sep 23, 2012

@frosbel

i believed that you personally lack some logical trainings in build-ups on common issues that even the least of jehovahs witnesses will address with ease, i dont see 'you' with your childish points on jesus being ressurected boidily which he did,and even thomas touching a body and precisely the point with which jesus was nailed as an evidence, materialising body or not is yet to be proven in this case by you! but then thomas touched 'jesus body' he felt it,and made a statement that 'he now agreed' that 'yes jesus' the same jesus that was nailed bodily was ressurected with the same pieced body! you are yet to prove otherwise in the face of thomas exclamation!

i will be back!

Religion / Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Trinitarians Got It All Wrong - Did Jesus Resurrect Bodily by BARRISTERS: 12:01am On Sep 23, 2012

@frosbel

The real JESUS who you trinitarians do not seem to know was 100% Human, 100% annointed of God, it is clear that trinitarains are in great need of revelation.

You say Jesus did not come fully in the Flesh as a man but 1/2 Man and 1/2 God the stuff of Pagan Mythology. This is the anti-christ spirit.

Even so called baby Christians seem to grasp this simple truth says a lot.

God bless and help you.

Can you see that the jehovahs witnesses are tackling your points logically and comprehensivevely?, but then i want to get s'thing clear!, are you just using a their religion to suppress another? you end up beefing trinitarians? and stupidly joined them in your topic that jws and trinitarians got s'thing wrong? sorry, i think i need to bash you now, and im prepared for you you, broda agbaya! reply me pls! i will be back.

Religion / Re: The Wonderful Truth Of The Trinity by BARRISTERS: 4:26pm On Sep 19, 2012

OLAADEGBU,

OLAADEGBU:

In seeking to understand the Trinity we need to recognise three limiting factors. First, the human language is limited such that it is incapable of describing the aroma of coffee. Secondly, the limitation of our own understanding and intellects.

John Eddison in his book "talking to children" said "Our little intellectual systems find themselves groaning under the strain of trying to accommodate God"

all your assertions about understanding of Gods word are unfounded, maybe i need to remind you, apostle peter and other 1st century christians, are they educated? read below;

Acts 4:13;
When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.

definately Gods word is easy to understand and God will not unnecesary put anyone into confusion.

trinity fraud is a pagan belief! ok?

Religion / Re: The Wonderful Truth Of The Trinity by BARRISTERS: 12:54am On Sep 19, 2012

@nedostic

Looking at this bible verse (John 8:58 Jesus says,"Before Abraham was, I am." ) critically, could any one ascertain the reason(s) why the Jews wanted to stone our Lord Jesus Christ(John 8:59) given what was uttered by Jesus Christ albeit the Jews of those days saw it as blasphemy?

you dont have a point,at all! which jews are you talking about? does the pharisees represent the jews? no, they (pharisees) do not even accept jesus at all! they reject all his teachings,or what can you say about how they react to jesus when he healed on the sabbath? ...a law breaker,isn'nt it? dont be fooled by theologians who were making a meal out of that john 8:59 forcing the belief that jesus was saying that he is God,no sir.

More so, reading the book of John 10:24-38. Agreed Jesus spoke a lot of the Father but taking a look at John 10:38c(my own making)-that the Father is in me, and I in him. Please what does this make out?

Btw, I am quite sure you would agree with me that the Father is basically a title and not a name, the same applies to the Son and Holy Spirit.

can you tell us

John 17:20-22
New King James Version

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[a] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; [size=14pt]that they also may be one in Us,[/size] that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

Btw, I am quite sure you would agree with me that the Father is basically a title and not a name, the same applies to the Son and Holy Spirit.

no sir,

this quote below sends a clear message of what jesus wanted the people of the world to know about him,not a title,but as a different person,and a servant of God and NOT God himself;
verse 21;

'[size=14pt]that the world may believe that You sent Me[/size]'

John 1: 1-3

'the word was God' or 'the word was a God',check the history of john 1:1-3; in the world book Wikipedia/encyclopedia,...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1, so dont go there at all,
The text of John 1:1 has a sordid past and a myriad of interpretations. With the Greek alone, we can create empathic, orthodox, creed-like statements, or we can commit pure and unadulterated heresy. From the point of view of early church history, heresy develops when a misunderstanding arises concerning Greek articles, the predicate nominative, and grammatical word order. The early church heresy of Sabellianism understood John 1:1c to read, "and the Word was the God." The early church heresy of Arianism understood it to read, "and the word was a God."

since God is used only as a title to jesus,or Mighty God was used for jesus, just the way jesus shared lord with his father, you need to prove to us why Almighty God is 'not' used for jesus but used for God who is jusus's farher?.

Religion / Re: The Wonderful Truth Of The Trinity by BARRISTERS: 11:04pm On Sep 18, 2012

Ijawkid to OLA;
If the Father is not d son then it means they are different persons[/b]and that explains why Jesus didn't know when d end will come,but d Father knew.......

U just answered d question by yourself....

[size=14pt]Ola ur such a confused being[/size]..... ;

CONFUSION-BREAK-BONES (CBB).... fela kuti!

Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 2:03pm On Sep 15, 2012

@Ihedinobi

You knew that you have already exposed yourself on the other tread with this link https://www.nairaland.com/870257/worship-one-true-god-not/12 and im lifting a quotefrom your comment (in bold) below;

I made a clear write-up stating [size=14pt]what the Trinity is and why it is true and undefended in the Bible.[/size] The answers from those of your company to that write-up were very unworthy of people who claim superior knowledge. I'm sorry that I will not post the link here because I'm done with all that foolishness. Anyway, nobody bothered to dissect my write-up and pick it apart logically. All I got was derision and cheap attacks.

You specifically stated that the trinity concept is ''undefended in the Bible'', so why do people still fooling theirself defending it with the bible? trinity is in stark contrast with the holy or sacred scriptures,and thats a fact,...and so, a pagan belief! i stand to be corrected,insults will not help you out to address this fact!

@haibe

do you agree that trinity is undefended in the bible? now you adopted Ihedinobi's comment in wholesale below;

haibe to Ihedinobi;God bless you, i think at last, i have seen someone who really understands the doctrine of trinity the way it is.

and if his comment defines your belief on trinity then,why bother to confuse people with selected verses twisted and forced out of context to suit a pagan context? when it is undefended in the bible? haaaah, abomination!

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Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 8:27pm On Sep 14, 2012

Goshen 360,

pls drop that pagan belief,if you are attached to it and because of that you want to continue in the mess you will be hard pressed on this page as you will be faced with loads of evidences that will swallow your claims!and it will be a riddicle,we have not started now you have given me a defination that will knock you down already, can we?

Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 8:22pm On Sep 14, 2012

@Hisblud

john 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us:
that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

who are the 'they' here? are they part of the trinity? sorry for mispelling your username but answer my question bro!

Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 8:19pm On Sep 14, 2012

!Goshen

It is the same ONE GOD who manifest Himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.......scripture says the LORD is THE Spirit. How do we explain Jesus (Lord) being Spirit? if it is NOT same person?

fraud!

Besisde, Kindly address the TRANSLATIONS that TRANSLATED 1 John 5:20 as Jesus being TRUE GOD.

you CHERRYPICKED! what sooth your hearing, ignoring the preceeding translations of which you quoted!

those translations are recent, and are not reliable,but doctored!

2 Timothy 4:3
King James Version (KJV)
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 8:09pm On Sep 14, 2012

@Hisblod

i read john 11.30 which states "I and Father are one" there is no MY! Look at the attached

Then why not read further,in chapt.17:21

john 17:21
[size=14pt]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us[/size]: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

so it means that believers are part of the trinity! isn'nt it? does that not show you that you need to reconciled the sorrounding facts and come to reality brother!

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Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 8:00pm On Sep 14, 2012

!Goshen360

Am not closing my eyes to the context

you did not only close your eye to it but deliberately snub it and maybe prayed that it should not be noticed!

What audacity does other translation have to EXPLICTLY call JESUS the TRUE GOD? Abi make we no use other translations n

why not use the oldest bible king james version? !or rather lets use the hebrew/greeks translations strong dictionaries to translate verse 5, and let us see if 'son' of God means God himself!

Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 7:50pm On Sep 14, 2012

@Goshen360
john knew that jesus is not God Almighty, but the son of God.! jesus was addressed using a title God or mighty God in the bible,[size=14pt] but jesus was never-and-ever reffered to as Almighty God![/size] that title 'Almighty differentiates jesus from his father! if you can prove anywhere Almighty was used for jesus pls bring them on! Mighty is not same as Almighty!

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Religion / Re: ANTI - TRINITARIANS, How Do You Explain This Scripture ? by BARRISTERS: 7:41pm On Sep 14, 2012

@Goshen360

I think that it will be fair not to hide the truth by jumping over a clear affirmation in the same 1 john chapter 5, now lets consider the previous verse 5 of the same chapter and see glarrinly what it says; using different translations but starting with the oldest bible king james version;

1 John 5:5
King James Version (KJV)
[size=14pt]Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God[/size]?

1 John 5:5
New International Version (NIV)
[size=14pt]Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
[/size]
1 John 5:5
New Living Translation (NLT)
And who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

1 John 5:5
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Who wins the victory over the world? Isn’t it the person who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
something that is common to all these translation is;
''Only those who believe [size=18pt]that Jesus is the Son of God[/size]''

if you choose not to beleive that ''Jesus is the Son of God'' as affirmed here innitially, and you choose to hold on to a contrary view, closing your eye to this verse 5 of same chapter you quoted,so be it! when trinitarians quote a verse,i always laugh because the answer that expose the true meaning is not always far fetched from the same chapter they often quote, God is not of confusion bro!

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Religion / Re: Roman Catholic Is Not A Church, But A Modernised Way Of Idolatry? by BARRISTERS: 6:37pm On Sep 14, 2012

@gzib

Are Catholics to read the bible or read about the history of the catholic church. Don't contradict urself. Can u mention somethings they do without scripture backing and maybe we will start from there.

see (bolded), [size=14pt]mounting white statues and images of Mary inside the church,and reciting words to her is a 'pure idolatory' and it violently violates in the warnings contained in both the old/new testaments of the bible to to stay clear of 'idolatory'[/size] a warning by apostle paul in written form to the churches as well as Moses law to the istrealites of worshiping idols,[size=14pt]have you forggotten that thousands of isrealites were killed in one day! whats their offence? they worshipped the 'Golden calf' moulded by Aaron on their demand.[/size]

God has never compromised his standards for worship, that is our prayers should be directed through jesus christ, and not [size=14pt]recitations of passages that is 'not found in the bible' as if it were there in the bible thereby causing confusion on God's standard for worship.[/size]

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Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by BARRISTERS: 6:37pm On Sep 14, 2012

@Truthslight

@ Barrister

been long, how you and your family?

Hoping that all is well with you.

Peace

We are ok and fine! i 've been so busy these days but still trying to find the time to make response, thanks anyway.

Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by BARRISTERS: 12:34pm On Sep 13, 2012

@Myjoe,

MyJoe:
I'd love to ask how you came to these conclusions from these verses. But I see you "chose and picked" them "depending on what you wanted". Carry go.

Now you are branding someone here to have "chose and picked" "depending on what she wanted"
can you see now from this particular (kieryn's)position which she has got the right, that your own way of understanding the bible is quite different from the normal christian who see the bible as a true word of God,and allowed the bible and Gods interests to govern their decision-making rather than personal views, now you want kieryn to first allude to some of your selfish standards of evaluating the bible!, of course you have said it in the previous discussion with me (on the other tread) that; is the bible free from ambiguities? on the other tread, i dont need to know why or what question you are responding to, but one thing is clear,and that is the fact that 'you do not have a total respect for the bible 'word of God' itself,i know that you would say that you want her to also consult other parts of the bible,of which she does not need your direction to do that before coming to that conclusion, and that is the reason why your comments here on the tread cannot match the normal reasoning expected of christians, because you have exposed your figurative 'heart' that is to be safeguarded to 'harmful knowledge' and that has caused you not to have a religion till now! im i lying? you knew that you are not practicing any religion,no commitment!so you have no moral caution,only 'you' and 'nobody' or even 'not the bible' tells you that something is wrong,you will go on to question 'why it is wrong,and why you believed that it is not wrong' then you cook up reasons to exonerate yourself,....that is not the way of life of a christian! christians 'disown theirselves and submit to Gods standards' and since 'your own standard superceeds that of God' and you will exploit all means to impose it on people by questioning their personal motives,seeking to programme their thinking, i think it is better for you to leave others to 'choose and pick' any verse 'maybe it is depending on what they want or not', since you dont want a commited life,but a loose lifestyle like your own,why not keep your loose lifestyle to yourself,good-day! im expecting your normal response!

Celebrities / Re: Yvonne Nelson & Mzbel Fight For Ice-Prince by BARRISTERS: 10:31pm On Sep 07, 2012

yvonne nelson? so nigerians are so stupid that someone can cook up stories like this to fool them? its a pity, for your imfo. y nelson dont love! she is a strange being,go to her profiles,she does'nt get attached,have a life pls!

Religion / Re: Adjusted by BARRISTERS: 1:38pm On Sep 06, 2012

@Docjay487,

Im surprised that many people on the tread never bother theirself to 'connect the topic' with 'your explanations' and were carried away with the fact that there is a general hatred for the JWS,(jehovah's witnesses),and you have been able to fan some sentiments against the jws by muddling up issues here, what do i mean?

the topic reads(below);

[size=14pt]We Are Called To Be Jesus' Witnesses Not Jehovahs Witnesses[/size]

one would at least expect you to quote the bible verse that jws relied upon to arrive at that name 'Jehovahs Witnesses' since you claim to have listen to them,you need to prove to us that it was jesus that was reffered to using the same verse, and not God jehovah himself.and since you did not have the patience to ask them about the bible verse that they relied upon,because you did not quote any bible verse they showed you, to assume the name,and that should have been subject to correction from the debate, here is the bible verse that they relied upon;

Isaiah 43:10-12
King James Version (KJV)

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

convieniently the word ''witnesses'' were directed by God to 'a certain people' known here as Gods own people then,which are the isrealites.

Now, the issue here is that since jesus was'nt here on the earth jesus was'nt involved during the time that the statement was made.
And sentiments apart, you Docjay487 knew in your mind that the trinitarians will not agree that God is not jesus, and so trinitarians will be easily 'bought over' here to join in chorus to say that jesus was the same God that was speaking,and i believed that many on the tread have a different opinion to this issue had it been that you come from the angle that your argument rest on trinity basis.,maybe jesus is God or God is jesus is another topic entirely, but the issue here is that of the name 'jehovah's witnesses' which you feel should have been 'jesus witnesses', going by the quoted verse above relied upon by jehovahs witnesses; lets read again;

verse 10;
10[size=14pt] Ye are my witnesses,[/size] saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: [size=14pt]therefore ye are[i] my witnesses,[/i] saith the Lord, that I am God.[/size]

convieniently without translations above here the word 'ye are my witnesses' was used twice in two verses by God himself,

but here are your explanations below,and after going through all the bible that you quoted not even one can we see the word ''witnesses'' and how people on the tread could not fish that error out is a surprise!

lets see your xplanations below just the way you highlight your points; nowhere was 'a witness to jesus mentioned' in all the verses highlighted below;i mean 21 verses with no mention of 'witnesses of christ' see them again;

In whose name should we meet together? (Matthew 18:20; 1 Corinthians 5:4)

Demons are subject to whose name? (Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)

Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name? (Luke 24:47)

In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12; 3:16; Acts 10:43; I John 3:23; 5:13)

By whose name, and NO OTHER, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)

Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer? (John 14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23, 24)

In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent? (John 14:26)

Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame? (Acts 3:16; 4:7-10, 30)

Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1 Corinthians 1:2)?

Whose name is above every name (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11)

The answer to each of these questions is Jesus Christ, not Jehovah. We are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ, not Jehovah (as some claim to be and moreover, 'the only bible based true Religion'.

A jehovah witness kept storming me with his teaching that I should always shout jehovah! jehovah!! jehovah !!! to sanctify the name while praying that the name was too and so important that it is necessary(the shouting) to get my prayer answered. I didnt ask for refrences though (I played the ignorant).
I decided to ask him the followig questions but he ran away after getting his faith shaken by a debate about SPIRIT and HELL with me(the next sunday). so am forwarding these to you:

im not a jw! but they dont shout on people, and your assertions above is misleading and meant to fan sentiments against them!

i doubt if it was jw that you said want to run away, because i can equally tackle you with ease and lets see who will run away! i dare you. bring on the hell and spirit issue,open another thread and i will join you,while seing this one to a logical conclusion.
but a note of warning, if you start with insult? im up to the task, address the queries above one by one.

i implore anyone without sentiment to comment, thanks.

Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by BARRISTERS: 10:11am On Sep 05, 2012

is it looking childish? oh yeah! go back and read all the answers posted to you on this issue, and if it does not satisfy you sorry! im not ready to recycle answers,it amounts to ridicle ones answers thereby providing room for doubt where there is no doubt, i trust the watchtower,and since you have failed to provide 'a document with watchtower signature' all other letters written to that effect are secondary proofs standing upon nothing!

im ready to re-direct you as often as possible, thanks for your time!

Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by BARRISTERS: 9:59am On Sep 05, 2012

“Question: What is an NGO and how does it relate to the UN?
Answer: [size=14pt]NGOs have no status and are not part of the UN.”

''are not part of the UN''[/size] Myjoe says UN was lying, 'he said NGO'S are affiliates'

meaning of 'affiliate' merriam-Websters dictionary.

af·fil·i·ate /əˈfɪliˌeɪt/ verb
af·fil·i·ates; af·fil·i·at·ed; af·fil·i·at·ing
[+ obj] : to closely connect (something or yourself) with or to something (such as a program or organization) as a member or partner

Myjoe said they are 'affiliate' meaning 'being' closely connected or 'as a member' according to the dictionary.

meaning that myjoe wants recycling of answers! all he needs to know are available on these tread, so one more fact again ;

Answer: [size=14pt]NGOs have no status and are not part of the UN.[/size]”

oga Myjoe, read it over and over again,before you comment, pls dont tell me why im celebrating these up there, because you will come with explanation that will not hold a water! you can start putting them together oya now!

Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Questions And Answers Page. by BARRISTERS: 9:51am On Sep 05, 2012

Is highlighted meant to disable anything I might write before I write it? You don’t want me to reply you, then? I doubt you don’t. So I will reply you. But I seem to have lost track of your argument, as I can’t get what your point is any more. I don’t even know whether you accept that an affiliation took place or not. So please answer the following questions so I can reply you.

1. In 1991, did Watchtower become affiliated with the UN as an associate NGO?

2. “i dont see the relevance of stephen bates here other than trying to be relevant, …, but to mee he is like a pooo! a liar and an attention seeker”
Do you say the above of Mr Bates because you have reasons to believe he is of a disreputable character or because he wrote something that appears not to favour the JW?

Thank you.

Politics / Re: How Is Electricity Supply In Your Area? by BARRISTERS: 10:30am On Sep 03, 2012

I guess DaJohn is also lying abi, Mister know it all, since you live in all parts of Lekki ( from Phase 1 to Chevron) at the same time. Why don't you just make your comments and leave others to make their's!

ok, at royal estate gardens and Abraham adesanya areas on lekki-epe expressway towards sangotedo are enjoying good light. and on the lekki phase 1 also known as lekki scheme one, their problem the way i understood it [b]are artificial,[/b]or internal sabbotage!, because rentage in that estate is in millions not to talk of service charges, and it will be a shame that other areas that are less expensive are enjoying light far more than them.

if you want someone to only speak selfishly by clossing his eyes on an improvement on the power issue,that is unfair!

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