A foretold prophecy here in Deuteronomy 18:18: I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

was fuffilled word for word here, when jesus testified below just what his father said above;

John 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.

John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

and to rubbish the claim that jesus has dropped his divinity in heaven;

John 8:29 [size=14pt]The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.[/size]"

Evidences that surpassed that of trinitarians!

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1 timothy 2:11-12 also reechoed the same thing as in 1 corinthians 14:34 again it says;

11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 [size=14pt]And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man,[/size] but to be in silence.

@Debosky

I think you miss the point - she is explaining why she thinks it was unsuitable to have female disciples given the practicalities of the nomadic existence Jesus and his disciples lived. That is a different issue altogether and isn't the same as pastoring a congregation.

The Roman law in application at the time also had restrictions against women speaking out in public - it is possible that Paul’s instruction was in line with this. See Clarke’s commentary on the bible:

Nor to usurp authority - A woman should attempt nothing, either in public or private, that belongs to man as his peculiar function. This was prohibited by the Roman laws

you have tried to play down the effectiveness of this clear instruction as if it was the romans that direct 'the Gods breath spirit' of paul to write this as as instruction. most people have tried evading clear intructions by personalising written spirit instructions God gave through paul by ridicoulously tagging them 'pauline epistles' it is wrong to water down clear instructions like this expecially when this paul added this,below:

1 Corinthians 14:37-39
37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by theSpirit,[size=14pt] let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command[/size]. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.

and note that it was verse 34-35 preceeding this verse 37 above that paul actually handed the spirit direction that woman 'are not permitted to teach'.

pls be carefull with the way you want to work things to suit your own liking against Gods clear command!

Boomark too have noted that!

it is even more ridicoulous to even think that the Apostles fear the roman law that would have made them to include the romans law(if it did restrict women)in Gods arrangement of his gatherings,assemly or church, these apostles dont even fear death if any of the governing laws pose repugnant or goes against Gods law or even at loggerhead with Gods law,
lets see what the apostles resolved and boldly declare before the so called authority;

Acts 5:29 ''But Peter and the apostles replied, "[size=14pt]We must obey God[/size] rather[b] than men[/b]''.

or this

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

Bidam and others says. No the words that comes out Jesus are His. Even if this was prophecies by Moses and Jesus came and said thesame thing. They still say no these words are yours no be your father dey speak through you. ...

''[size=14pt]I will raise up for them a prophet like you''[/size] and [size=14pt]''I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him''[/size]

[size=14pt]i will,[/size] in the context shows that God is the highest persons giving an order of a future plan! so as at the time the proclamation was made, jesus was still in the heaven,and not under the bondage of human body(as a barrier to recognise that he is same as the Almighty God) and he is fully aware that he is to go and carry out a task in obedience to his master, hence; ''I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him''

a FURTHER proof again to show that while jesus was in heaven, he was reffered to as 'messanger' (in the context below) and jesus as the 'messenger' of the covenant right from the heaven,

malachi 3:1
"See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly[size=14pt] the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.[/size]

another fact of two separate persons but one is superior and confirmed with the use of word 'The LORD Almighty' here is it:

''the Lord you are seeking will come'' says ''the LORD Almighty''.

this are clearly stated facts!

@Bidam

plappville:

JESUS SAYS HE SPEAKS WHAT GOD PUT IN HIS MOUTH. HE did lie did he?


John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.


Infact, when Jesus Is talking It is Yahweh Talking. Jesus is not claiming to be the Father, the oga kpatapkata,

the over all. Because He does not speaks words of His own.

do you note this superior answer above that beat all sorts of concortions that trinitarians have hung on 'the person' of jesus? and this is just an answer to a question. jesus before coming to the earth have been under the instruction of God his father, can you see the futuristic use of the words used ''I will raise up for them a prophet like you'' and ''I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him''. this evidence here has knocked out every insinuation that jesus is the same almighty God

popping up again Bidam reply this!

@Bidam
pls reply this post, you are waiting too long to adress it! people are waiting for your reply!

FROSBEL:TO BIDAM

[quote author=Bidam]In John 8:24, Jesus literally said, "you will die in your sins, if you do not believe that, I AM."

So I AM god , no ?

Because I AM

1. Note the KJV, prints the "he" in italics, which indicates that it is a word supplied to give meaning. In this case it waters down the statement. Jesus said He was the great "I AM."

I am HE , referring to I AM the Messiah.

Oh , let's hear from Peter.

"Then he asked them, "But who do you say I am?" Peter replied, "You are the Messiah." - Mark 8:29

Can you kindly tell me why Peter never called JESUS GOD , instead he called him MESSIAH ?

Can you also tell me why the demons called JESUS , Son of the most high and not GOD, hmm.

Jesus is simply saying, I AM the Messiah you have been waiting for.

2. Exodus 3:14. Moses asks God who he should say has sent him to the Hebrews in bondage in Egypt. God repies, tell them "I AM" sent you.

I AM , here connoting YAHWEH.

@Bidam

LOL..Keep that disillusionment to your self

has it got to that level! small small now,dont insult! ok! they are just events reported simultaneously,and we have to separate the chaff from the wheat, ok?

[b]..lets see what rev 1:7 is talking about here..
[size=14pt]Barnes'[/size]
Notes on the Bible
Behold he cometh with clouds - That is, the Lord Jesus, when he returns, will come accompanied with clouds. This is in accordance with the uniform representation respecting the return of the Saviour. See the notes on Matthew 24:30. Compare Matthew 26:64; Mark 13:26; Mark 14:62; Acts 1:9, Acts 1:11.

Clouds are appropriate symbols of majesty, and God is often represented as appearing in that manner.

did i deny that jesus is a God? just like the house of David too is like God, zachariah 12:8

See Exodus 19:18; Psalm 18:11 ff; Isaiah 19:1.

So, among the pagan, it was common to represent their divinities as appearing clothed with a cloud:

you seem to create issues out of non issues! who is making a case for pagan here? bidam you evade questions by deliberately creating issues to divert attention,i think Boomark rightly noted that too.my next post i will bring back part of the questions that you evaded one by one.

is [size=14pt]Barnes[/size] among the 40 writers of the sacred scriptures? what i need is what you believe, and not what someone else outside the bible inspired writers says!

Does Jesus call himself the Lord God Almighty? Yes

Rev 1:7-8 (NIV) Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Bidam you are not a small boy now, differnt people are represented here!

1# john reporting the coming of jesus thus ;Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.
2# john reporting God's approval to the statement in affirmation; So shall it be! Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty

translators of our bibles are to be blamed for all this technical errors, although hebrew/greek words are not having uppercase or lowercase, and some other sophistications that simplified reporting nowadays as one of the problem for the translators.

@Bidam

plappville:

JESUS SAYS HE SPEAKS WHAT GOD PUT IN HIS MOUTH. HE did lie did he?


John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.


Infact, when Jesus Is talking It is Yahweh Talking. Jesus is not claiming to be the Father, the oga kpatapkata,

the over all. Because He does not speaks words of His own.

do you note this superior answer above that beat all sorts of concortions that trinitarians have hung on 'the person' of jesus? and this is just an answer to a question. jesus before coming to the earth have been under the instruction of God his father, can you see the futuristic use of the words used ''I will raise up for them a prophet like you'' and ''I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him''. this evidence here has knocked out every insinuation that jesus is the same almighty God.only sincere hearts will agree sha!

@Bidam

WRONG! the bible actually says Jesus is almighty. The term “the almighty” is used 44 times in the Bible. The last verse referring to the almighty is Jesus claiming to be the almighty. How many almighties do we have? Only one and He Jesus, sits on the throne alone!

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

majority translation favoured Lord-GOD and the almighty, definately- not jesus, lets see this too;

Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

few of this;


New International Version (©1984)
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says[b] the Lord God[/b], "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

New Living Translation (©2007)
"I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the[b] Lord God[/b]. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One."

English Standard Version (©2001)
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the[b] Lord,[/b] which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

jesus was not mentioned in the verse! 'lord' 'Alpha and Omega',same meaning with 'the beginning and the ending' are all shared titles, i have treated that in my previous post.

what seemed to have made you conclude that it was jesus may be the use of word 'and which is to come' is it that? before i proceed! confirm first!

the land still up for sale

@Bidam

my broda... me i don resign o.. e bi lyk say the thing dey too chuck dem for body say JESUS NA GOD

Bidam, do you see that these guys(chuka and yooguys) are not having anything to offer to the discussion? they only push you forward, good, i think i like the way you did not hide yourself but trying to defend, but i doubt when we get to a level, you may find some things annoying,but thet are faacts.

Yooguys commending you without a single rebuttal shows some attachment to false teachings but must be preserved at all cost. i will tell you more!

Yooguyz: Quote
@op beautiful writeup

Nobody is denying jesus to be a God, but The Bible never use Almighty for Jesus!

there is nothing wrong in putting up with you, because you are teaching 'another jesus' see what empowered us here below;
2 Corinthians 11:4

[size=14pt]For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached[/size], or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted[size=14pt]—you may well put up with it! [/size]

having proved to you why jesus cannot be the same as his father in different ways, and as you can see, the tread owner abandoned you with this job knowing fully well that he cant sustain the argument because of the flaws. he will only come in and click 'i like' on your post thereby pushing the heat on you! Now that you admitted that you dont support trinity, i.chuka should be here by now to answer questions about (Christ the head).... You need to just do some little homework on your own! and lets see what is confusing issues!

jesus sharing titles with the father, like the lord,LORD, GOD, the first and the last, the Alfa and Omega, begining and the end. does not make jesus same as God.they are open titles and even some of these titles are used for humans, i.e,

court judges; My lord, or your Worship...there is no UPPERCASE or LOWERCASE in hebrew/greek letters that was used to translate these words.

First and the last...(an open statement)
If jesus is reffered to as the first and the last, why does this title(first and the last) jesus reffered to in another place as the first Adam and the last Adam? does that made Adam the same as God? this shows that they are mere titles.

[size=16pt]who 'being equal to God'[/size]

when phillipians 2:5-7 was talking about 'being equal' he was only talking about the general nature of the spirit beings, that is jesus and all the angels and even God himself share the same spiritual nature, their appearances are the same; they all beam like fire(when revealed),the creatures in heaven serving God are called the heavenly hosts,and they all share this equal appearance. ,

1 Kings 22:19 I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left.

Revelation 1:14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow,[size=14pt] and his eyes were like blazing fire.
[/size]

when jesus was to leave that superior spiritual nature he shared with the heavenly hosts,which God himself shared,(because the bible teaches that God is spirit) or when jesus is about to abandon a superior form or the spiritual nature to take a 'lower form' it was reffered to as 'taking a slave form'(phillipians 2:6-9) thus;

in hebrew 2:9; 'jesus was made lower than the angels'

it is only regarding this (spiritual nature) shared by the heavenly hosts ;angel jesus and God that the phil 2:6 was reffering to as 'being equal with God' but when he left that spiritual nature 'he was lower than the angels'

but 1 thessalonians 4:16

lets see how jesus will appear 'in the same form' as the angels;

Matthew 16:27

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

can you see the connection of 'same glory jesus shared with the father and also with the Angels'?

lets see what is meant by the 'glory' which is 'the spiritual nature' or 'flamming fire' read;

2 thess 1:7-8

'' This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire[size=14pt] with[/size] his powerful angels''.

these few verses has shed more light on what is reffered to as the 'equality of christ' with God, to the extent that;it is not an absolute form shared strictly by only God and jesus, but was also shared by the angels,
can we say that angels too are equal to God? this is how Bible agrees, any other form of christ that does not go with the chemistry of the bible or do not agree with other verses are false!

this course is also to expose those who eailier tried to tamper by altering some words in the old bible manuscripts! so as to confuse people, but yet the argument grows stronger and stronger!

@Bidam

and what gave you the impression that ayam in support of the trinity? i said JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY..PLS YOUR INSULTS SHOULD HAVE A LIMIT OK? I never knew you to be like this..dats my prob with a kid.

All your assertions were in support of trinity, you dont just deny the way catholics deny worshiping mary visibly and even making recitations of mary 'the savior' but they deny worshiping mary, so we can see it from your deeds and not through mere denial!

yeah..you are getting the whole concept muddled up... at least we now know why the first Adam failed...in JOHN 17 :3 JESUS knew THE HOUR HAS COME FOR HIM TO BE GLORIFIED SO HE HAD TO PRAY FOR HIMSELF AND ALSO SET A PERFECT EXAMPLE FOR HIS DISCIPLES ON THE TASK AHEAD. DON'T LET IT CONFUSE YOU...WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SIN..EVER WONDERED WHY THE APOSTLES WERE MARTYRED APART FROM JOHN THE BELOVED?

what a diversion from the real post!

did'nt you say that it was God himself and(not an alledged God the son)that came down in flesh? whats muddled up here?

you changed the tone now that he abandoned a so called divinity ..to suit what bible did not teach, can you quote 'just one bible verse that ever says that jesus abandoned his divinity?

lets see that!

@plappvile

Ok, so when Jesus/God was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth are you now saying there was no God for this period and Satan kept silent?

Wouldn't this be the best oppotunity for Satan to have taken over Gods empty throne as His initial plan?

the problem they have is that they evade questions! how do you work with such?

not that he didnt get what you are saying, he actually get the gist straight! but Bidam will go for a childish defensive measure, just watch out, but something i knew that would happen with our persistence is that many will learn and they will distinguish the truth from falsehood!

@Bidam

stop being a fool, your knowledge of GOD IS limited..look at this verse: ◄ 1 Timothy 3:16 ►

very good language 'fool' worthy of a christian to another christian demanding an accurate and unadulterated truth.

God was manifest in the flesh - If we take in the whole of the 14th, 15th, and 16th verses, we may make a consistent translation in the following manner, and the whole paragraph will stand thus:

Gods manifestation as used in the context;
Bolded below is the sole reason for this letter,

these things I now write unto thee, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God.

thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God


infact from verse 1 -16 of this 1st timothy, shows and arrangemennts of Godliness!,lets see the mistery as it is being analysed;

1 Timothy 3:1-5; ...shows an arrangement of who is fit to be or not to be an Overseer! Deacons, the do's and donts,qualified and not qualified. because it is the household of God.

1 Timothy 3:6-12 ...women are not allowed to lead or teach where a man is, but learn in silence,or must be in submission to the husband. an arrangement that agrees with (1 Cor. 11:3)...[b]“But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman,[/b]and[size=14pt]God is the head of Christ”[/size] .

in affirmation to these aforementioned Godly arrangement(above) in the household of God, verse 15 gave a hint at how this household of God should be conducted in orderliness as stated frim verse 1-16; thus

1 Timothy 3:15-16

15[size=14pt] if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. [/size]

now, 'Gods household,..which is the church of the living God' comprises of believers (from various races and languages) Humbly come together and sharing one faith in christ! and not the church building or structure!

how the topic changed from these obvious manifestation to a literal GOD WEARING SKIN is not fitting in the context!

lets read verse 16 again, as it cannot stand alone but 'must' connect with the message of verse 15 and all previous verses 1-15;

16 Beyond all question, [size=14pt]the mystery from which true godliness springs is great[/size]:

He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,

was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

God was not mentioned here! and if you have a translation that did mention God, well we need to put the message beign conveyed from verse 1-16 into perspective as what the issue here was and that is 'the mystery from which true godliness springs is great
and the person that came to the earth and revealed as christ is said to be subject to God.(1 cor 15 :28)

and God is the head of christ(1 cor 11:3) and so God cannot be head of himself, but head to inferiors.

i have explained the mysteries reffered to in verse 16.

@plappvile
@Boomark

Thes Catholic doctrines/traditons are not too easy to let gooo by some protestant/pentecosters....yet they keep accusing Catholic of idolatry..

do you notice this variance in their trinitarian concept? see this (bolded) below;

Bidam;to Barristers

In the Old Testament God the Son came to men as an angel (messengers that looked like men). The angel of the Lord is called the angel of his presence, he is the covenant maker to Israel. Isaiah 63:8-9 “So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the Angel of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them.”

when the foundation of 'a belief is not in agreement' what haappens?

@Bidam

dumb question...who gave you life(natural and eternal)?

good, the implication of throwing back a question for me to answer is that you 'agreed to my answer' having wasted your chance of giving an answer, which means that my answer; 'our lifegiver' 'God the Almighty' who created jesus as the firstborn of his creation,collosians 1:15 .....'the firstborn of Gods creation' and same 'God the Almighty' who appointed jesus as 'my son' made him lower than the angels, while on earth,

and as at the time that jesus was lower than the angels here on earth, it clearly shows that he is 'not equal to God' but inferior!

there was no time that God the father have ever been 'lower than the angels' always superior as manifested in this particular situation.

so, your equality theorem has been dealt a great blow!

@Bidam
can you shed more light on these contradictory statements here pls!(bolded)

How was he made lower, by nature? NO, but by position. He assumed a position and rank that was inferior to that of the angels. He became a man and took a temporary position as a servant. It is speaking of the position He took as a man; his incarnation where he took human flesh. His ministry was exemplified by His servanthood. He is one person with two natures. He did not lower himself in only one nature. [size=16pt]His whole being was involved, body, soul and Spirit.[/size] Hebrews 2:9 tells us that

Jesus in His humanity was put lower than the angels “for a little while.” As Galatians 4:4 states, He was “born under the law, “subordinate to God in all things in a form of man.

who put jesus lower than the angels?

@Bidam

Explanation: He became man or He was born under the law..in hierachy man was under the angels(becos all have sinned including adam

#question 3, ''all have sinned including adam''

was jesus a sinner,or since has to take sinful humans form, he falls under the sinful nature of humans in bodily form less than the angels, so anyone in that human nature is a sinner, that makes him lower in hierachy to the angels, then answer pls,yes or no!

was jesus a sinner? or became a sinner?

Bidam

.Jesus had not died and gone to d cross..so he took the "position" of a servant and[b] became obedient unto death[/b]..

#(question 4) who was jesus obeying as at the time he took the form of a servant ,and by being obedient,to whom ?

im waiting for the answer to the 4 questions!

@Bidam
lets see the chronology of our discusions;

Bidam@ijawkid

show me a verse in the NT where God himself called Jesus HIS 'SERVANT'...ayam waiting.....

Barristers@Bidam

Matthew 12:18,19;
New King James Version

18 [size=14pt]“Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen[/size],
My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased!
I will put My Spirit upon Him,
And He will declare justice to the Gentiles.
19 He will not quarrel nor cry out,

bidam to Barristers

the context of mathew 12..was the fufillment of the prophecy of isaiah(isaiah 42:1-4)..infact Jesus was still under the law becos he is still yet to be crucified..

Great! so you agreed that a fufilment of OT was manifest in NT's verse, good!

can you still remember your request like this

show me a verse in the NT where God himself called Jesus HIS 'SERVANT'...ayam waiting.....

now having seen a valid proof in NT precisely in mathew 12:18, against your challenge, you changed the focus to 'the fufillment of the prophecy of isaiah(isaiah 42:1-4)' did i tell you that i did not know that it was a fufilment? but it was penned down in mathew 12:28 NT against your challenge! that 'show me a verse in the NT where God himself called Jesus HIS 'SERVANT'...ayam waiting'

i thought that you were so sure of yourself,by bragging that a verse should be shown in NT where 'jesus was mentioned as Gods servant' it is no issue that we have same replica of same in the OT, comment pls! and will you be sincere enough to addmit your error? i doubt! but lets see.

most scholars even view the book of mathew as OT under the law

is that the issue here? we are dealing with the book of mathew,as contained in the books that forms part of the NT,and confirmed by the majority including you! to be NT! what scholars view are is not an issue here, okay? if we are to discuss scholars view,it would be on other treads.

..like i said He took a 'Temporary' position of a servant..

very good!(question 1) as at the time that 'the son' took a 'Temporary' position of a servant' was he 'at that particular time equal to the Godhead? i understand that he(the son) has to undergo beign 'lower'in that respect, while the father 'never experienced being lower at anytime' but have always maintain his supreme state as the majesty.

answer pls,yes or no, was he 'at that particular time(when he was in lower state than the angels) equal to the Godhead? no explanations yet pls, so that we dont go in circles!

because you have confirmed that he was even lower than the angels, see that; in your aramaic translation of heb 2:9
(question 2) pls distinguish between God the father and God the son,and who among them came to the earth.

@Bidam

show me a verse in the NT where God himself called Jesus HIS 'SERVANT'...ayam waiting.....

Matthew 12:18,19;
New King James Version

18[size=16pt] “Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen,
My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased![/size]
I will put My Spirit upon Him,
And He will declare justice to the Gentiles.
19 He will not quarrel nor cry out,

@bidam, any objection? or any prize for who supplies the answer?

@Bidam

Col 2:9...notice the word fullness..no man, past, present and future has or has attained the fullness of God or the FULLNESS OF GOD DWELLS IN THEM IN BODILY FORM...

if "the fullness of God or the FULLNESS OF GOD DWELLS IN THEM IN BODILY FORM" that is christ is 100 percent God in Bodily Form, then why was he 'lower than even the angels' while he is in the body instead of beign higher than the angels, your concept of 'Godhead' seems to be inactive here;

heb 2:9

'we saw jesus who was made lower than the Angels

explain pls

@YOUGUYZ


Barristers:to Youguys

but rather ask youself, are you living worthy of Gods standard? there is an end very near to you that can stop you at any time to redress your loose life, and that is death! do you see these reminders as threats?

above, i ask you in my last post something about living worthy of Gods standard? there is an end very near to you that can stop you at any time,if you refused to redress your loose life, and that is death! its inevitable

honestly am amazed you didnt use the word Jehovah

im not a jehovahs witnesses! but admired them,ok?

ma criticisms are valid uh? Well i want you to check out this site it has references at the appendix that can be trusted perhaps you may need to do more research
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/watch_Tower_society_unfulfilled_predictions.

your critism are not valid,but born out of malice, if not in your own quoted site, there was a disclaimer like this:

The WTS has been criticized by some conservative Christians for having attempting to predict a precise date for Armageddon, in an apparent violation of Matthew 24:35-36:

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (KJV)

However, the criticism does not appear to be valid, as the WTS' estimates have never involved the day and hour of the end

How can wole soyinka say gays are victims of biology? Is he a nobel laurette in literature or he now has one also in biology. Homosexually is morally wrrong and is a a sin before God, imagine d decadence in our future generation in dis country if dis evil act is embrassed

wole soyinka had laboured too hard to earn himself a nobel laureate, so hhe does not own himself by implication, he solicits foreign recognition. and so has sold his 'reasoning faculty to the fear of the unknown' you dont expect soyinka to still be personal in cases like this pls!

beign gay is a sickness! and needs treatment, in abeokuta we have the ARO, and in lagos we have the YABA treatment of such illness, we will never buy this foreign concuction, we have our problems and its enough for us,we will not accept more!

if paul can be ridiculed by scoffers, now you want to toy with people getting alert with the day of the lord,

read the same event you are causing now as it happened to paul;


2 Peter 3:1-5


3 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. [size=18pt]I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking[/size]. 2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.

3 Above all, [size=18pt]you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.[/size]

anyone who has ears should listen,...DONT JOIN SCOFFERS' they are lovers of pleasures rather than God!

there is no apologies in 'stimulating to wholesome thinking' it is a duty of the shepherds, and since;

the criticism agaist WTS does not appear to be valid(according ti the site posted by the OP), WTS estimates have never involved the day and hour of the end, there is nothing wrong with that as far as im concerned!

but rather ask youself, are you living worthy of Gods standard? there is an end very near to you that can stop you at any time to redress your loose life, and that is death! do you see these reminders as threats? pls no apology! live the way you want, but then leave those who are trying to live according to Gods standards, they Got their right to do so!

why do we have those 'reminders to stimulate christians to wholesome thinking' to direct our attentions to the happenings then,(the first world war claimed more than 1/3rd of the worlds population), the second world war did worst claimed almost 2/3rd. this led to the reminders meant to ''stimulate to wholesome thinking''

[size=14pt]see just an example of a church among many; (Assemblies of God)[/size]

(Assemblies of God) are responsible for these;

[size=14pt]they prophecied/or point to 1917[/size] for the end to come,in that The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, ( May 13, 1916 pp 6-9 etc)

they later changed in the later edition to [size=14pt]1934 and 1935 [/size]respctively; (April 10, 1917 edtion, page 3)

@Yooguyz

It is surprising that there was no mention of any prophecy in 2013 as claimed by you, but just divert attention.

Do you read this in the heart of the site that you quoted?
its a clear exoneration of the WTS, READ

Criticism agaist WTS estimates:

The WTS has been criticized by some conservative Christians for having attempting to predict a precise date for Armageddon, in an apparent violation of Matthew 24:35-36:

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.[size=18pt] But of that day and hour knoweth no man,[/size] no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (KJV)

[size=14pt]However, the criticism does not appear to be valid, as the WTS' estimates have never involved the day and hour of the end[/size] -- only the year had been specified.