First, the irony of you warning against “religious zealots” having nukes is laughable. The only country in history to actually use nuclear weapons is the “Christian” United States, which incinerated hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And spare me the fiction of secular purity—American presidents invoke God before war, Israeli settlers chant Biblical genocide verses, and evangelicals salivate over
feedthenation: Tucker Carlson is Right – President Trump is Aiding and Abetting Israel’s Attempt to Trigger Total War with Iran that Most Military Experts Agree Leads to the Closing of the Strait of Hormuz and All-Out War in the Middle East
Are you not the same people who call Alex Jones a conspiracy theorist. In actual fact he is , I don't believe anything he says unless I confirm elsewhere. But he does get proven correct eventually in quite a number of cases.
obedience4: Iraq and Syria can't control its skies for different reasons, the Syrians doesn't have the capacity and ability to do that,I.e they don't have the jets and Air defense systems to enforce such actions, also there's also political interest here also, the Syrian government recently got recognised by the US and won't want anything to jeopardise such political support, and also the new Syria government is a long time foe to the Iranians
The Iraqis on the other hand, can enforce the use of its airspace to some extent, they possess formidable US jets and could easily intercept the Jewish jets but won't do that mainly for political reasons, the US is the major political backer for the Iraqis and won't want to cause harm to Jewish jets also they don't know how far the war could go, they have Iranian based groups in some part of Iraq and would need US military support if the war escalates.
Israel took out the Syrian air force and SAMs as soon as Assad fled Syria. They also took out it's navy. Israel jets can operate freely over Syria. The Syrians are happy with that Iran was the one that had propped up Assad. They would be happy if the Ayatollahs were kicked out and replaced by either Sunnis or atheists but not Shia theocrats.
CreativeOrbit: You're accusing me of deceit while demanding I “start a thread” for your benefit? I’m not your secretary. Unlike you, I don’t sit around waiting to peddle recycled slander—I respond with facts and principle. You want a debate? Fine. But don’t confuse your lazy parroting of anti-Islamic propaganda with actual scholarship or courage.
Now let’s deal with your accusation: You falsely claim Islam established deceit through an incident where a man was lured and killed “with the Prophet’s blessing.” That’s an ignorant distortion of context and history. Islamic jurisprudence does not permit deceit as a norm—it permits strategy in warfare, like every civilization in history, including the Biblical figures you probably idolize. Shall we talk about how your own scriptures describe the actions of David, Joshua, or even the so-called "divine commands" for genocide in the Old Testament?
And calling my explanation “proselytizing” while you spew Christian polemics? That’s hypocrisy wrapped in cowardice. Don’t pretend you’re a victim of dawah while you openly slander the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. If you can’t handle a Muslim defending Islam with truth and clarity, then perhaps you’re not ready for real dialogue—just childish provocation.
If you have any courage left, drop the innuendos and bring your accusations clearly—I’ll dismantle them line by line. But don’t expect me to babysit your laziness. You made the claim—defend it publicly, or retract it quietly.
I know your type I told you I have topics on the religion and Islam section you can respond to not derailing this one
nateevs: You mean like the civilians in apartments blocks that they warned when they were taking out Iranian military leadership? The 76 that died when their apartments where struck by missiles?
Did those get warned too? Your Israel is playing God, literally; deciding which humans live, and which don't, depending on the prevailing agenda.
You are here cherry-picking weird-ass bol5hit, and attempting to pass it on as some benevolence.
If Japanese had Oppenheimer within their sights , they would have killed him instantly. If the only chance to kill him was while he was in his apartment, after having flown thousands of kilometers to his hiding place , they would have blown up the whole apartment. There is a term for that COLAT. (Collateral Damage). I know you may not be sympathetic to Hamas or Iran or Hesbolla. But I do know you oppose everything Trump supports so I can understand your anger and position on most matters. You need a day off, plan for one then hold a meeting with yourself. You didn't notice that specific windows in the highrise apartments were the ones blown up by precision missiles.
nateevs: You are an atrociously lazy liar. At least put some work to it. Do you know how many places that same picture has shown up on the Internet? Some other blog has taken same picture, put some text on it for some propaganda, and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
Iran is 74 times larger than Israel in land mass, and so critical military infrastructure can be situated far away from densely-populated areas. Israel go and strike these areas, then proceed to propagandise humane approach and benevolence of bombing decisions, when we already have documented history of IDF being the masters of wiping out populations.
Meanwhile at the same time, Israel situates the Hakirya right in the middle heavily-populated residential dwelling, literally creating human-shields, so they can cry wolf when hit.
I am not one of those you can fool with cheap nonsense off the internet. You were not right all along... you knew nothing all along.
We all know they are itching to bomb civilians. They cannot wage war, unless it is waged against powerless people.
IDF is warning civilians nearby weapons factories to evacuate. It doesn't want civilians to die. (They should be the ones who by now should gave gotten rid of the Ayatollahs).IDF keeps moving Gazan residents to safe places away from the terrorist hideouts. Iran meanwhile wants to inflict as much damage to any concrete structure it can target while media announces Israel 14 dead Iran. 100 dead. Implying Israel is targeting civilians > >by warning them to evacuate to safety.
There are Jewish communities in Iran. They are Iranian citizens. They are free to go live in Israel unlike the Palestinian who no Arab countries want.
Saying Tehran will burn don't mean IDF will target citizens. Very poor example. And no they don't bomb civilians in Gaza , if a terrorist us hiding in a building and are given 5 minutes to evacuate there are those who don't. There are apartments with weapon stored too in Giza. In Swahili Giza is darkness
CreativeOrbit: Your response is the intellectual equivalent of setting off a smoke bomb and running—dodging every historical fact and political reality I laid out, only to rant about Islamic concepts you clearly misunderstand and misuse.
Let me deal with your desperate pivot head-on.
1. Taqiyya, Kitman, Tawriya, Muruna — The Last Refuge of a Defeated Argument
When you can’t defend ethnic cleansing, land theft, apartheid, or war crimes, you resort to accusing Muslims of lying based on theological terms you pulled from an anti-Islam blog. That’s not just cowardly—it’s pathetic.
Taqiyya is a Shia-specific concept historically used under extreme persecution—like during inquisitions or under tyrannical regimes. I’m Sunni, not hiding, not under duress, and I don’t need to “conceal” anything. I’m stating facts plainly.
Kitman, Tawriya, and Muruna are legalistic tools discussed in ultra-specific jurisprudential contexts—not a license for deceit. If you think quoting Arabic words magically invalidates what I said, it only shows how shallow your argument is.
None of these apply to anything I said. I didn’t conceal anything—I confronted your distortions directly and dismantled them point by point.
So here’s a counter-question:
> If Muslims are always lying, why even debate them? Unless, of course, your only way to avoid losing a factual argument is to say, “You’re lying because you’re Muslim.”
That’s not debate. That’s religious bigotry dressed in pseudo-intellectualism.
2. Still No Answers
You’ve proven my point. Not once did you:
Defend Israeli apartheid.
Explain the ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians.
Justify why Israel has nuclear weapons but won’t sign the NPT.
Address how Palestinians under occupation are expected to submit to humiliation without resistance.
Acknowledge that your own scriptures were hijacked to justify colonial expansion.
Instead, you panicked and screamed “Taqiyya!”
That’s your defense? Not history, not law, not morality—but “he must be lying because he’s Muslim”?
That’s not just lazy—it’s cowardly.
3. Let Me Remind You
Islam doesn’t teach deceit. It teaches justice. And if your religion taught you any moral clarity, you’d be standing against oppression, not alongside it while flinging Arabic terms to excuse Zionist brutality.
If you really cared about truth, you’d deal with what I wrote—not flee to a dictionary of Islamic jargon as a smokescreen.
Final Word:
You can’t handle the facts, so you attack the faith. That’s fine. I’m not here to seek approval from someone who defends apartheid while accusing the oppressed of lying.
Deflecting with theology won’t change the reality of occupation, siege, and stolen land.
I’ll leave you with one principle Islam teaches clearly:
> “Stand firm for justice, even if it is against yourselves or your kin.” (Qur’an 4:135)
Maybe try it sometime.
Start a thread on my opinion about your lies at the appropriate section and tag me. Islam doesn't teach deceit you say. Briefly deceit was lawfully established when a man was lured outside his home and murdered with the blessing of the messenger. Your discussion sounds like you are proselytizing here.
CreativeOrbit: Your response is riddled with historical amnesia, ideological arrogance, and tired talking points that collapse under scrutiny. So let’s dismantle your claims one by one—logically, but without sugarcoating.
1. "Jews were dhimmis like ISIS victims?"
Equating centuries of Jewish life under Islamic rule—where Jews were protected as Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book)—with ISIS atrocities is not only dishonest but insulting to historical fact. Jews thrived under Muslim governance in Andalusia, Baghdad, Cairo, Istanbul, and even Ottoman Palestine—long before Israel existed. They were scholars, merchants, ministers—not victims.
ISIS, a fringe terrorist group, is universally condemned by Muslims, whereas Israel is a state actor engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing and military occupation.
Pogroms happened not because Jews were Jews, but because Zionist militias were already executing colonial land grabs and ethnic cleansing before 1948. The Deir Yassin massacre, Plan Dalet, and the Nakba didn't begin after war broke out—they started the war.
And even if we assume historical grievances—how do massacres of Palestinians today become justifiable? Do children in Gaza deserve to die because of what someone did in 1929?
You don’t get to cite past conflict as a license for permanent domination.
3. "Palestinians don’t care about land—they want Jews out."
Let’s be clear: Palestinians are not fighting Jews. They are resisting a settler-colonial project. The Zionist movement wasn’t a peaceful call for coexistence—it was an explicit plan to create a Jewish-majority state by removing the native population. Ben-Gurion himself admitted it: “We must expel the Arabs and take their place.”
And yet even now, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran have all made geopolitical—not religious—arguments: end the occupation, lift the siege, dismantle apartheid, and there will be no need for resistance.
4. "Iran’s fatwa is just a lie?"
That’s rich, coming from someone defending a state whose founding myths are built on biblical claims and racial exclusivity. Iran’s Supreme Leader issued a binding legal ruling (fatwa) prohibiting nuclear weapons—not for Western approval, but as a religious and ethical stance.
Meanwhile, Israel won’t even admit it has nukes, won’t sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and hides behind U.S. vetoes while screaming victimhood. You say Iran lies—where’s Israel’s honesty? Why won’t it open its Dimona facility to international inspection?
5. "Palestinian citizens of Israel support Iran’s bombing?"
Do you hear yourself? You’re blaming Palestinian victims of state-sanctioned racism for resenting the state that degrades them daily. These are people whose villages were erased, whose homes are demolished, whose citizenship is second-class—if they cheer when the boot slips, maybe it’s because they’re under it.
But again, this is your game: portray victims as savages so that your chosen state can keep killing without guilt.
6. "You know where to get me if you want to understand the Middle East."
Let’s be honest—you don’t understand the Middle East. You parrot colonial talking points, twist facts, and filter everything through religious bias. You can’t explain why millions still live in refugee camps, why settlements expand illegally every day, or why Israeli ministers openly call for genocide—because facing that truth would destroy your narrative.
Final Word:
The Middle East is not in turmoil because of Islam or Arabs. It is in turmoil because of:
Western-imposed borders,
military interventions,
oil-thirsty alliances,
and an apartheid regime that is allowed to defy international law with impunity.
You want to speak about peace? Then start by denouncing occupation, settler colonialism, and state terrorism—not by gaslighting the oppressed and glorifying the oppressor.
Justice is not achieved by lies, and peace is not built on supremacy.
Your post falls broadly under all these terms.
Taqiyya: Taqiyya is the practice of concealing one's faith to avoid persecution, primarily associated with Shia Islam in situations of extreme danger. It is justified by Quranic verses but is often misrepresented as a general license for deception. Kitman: Kitman involves concealing the truth through silence or omission to protect oneself or others from harm. It is a limited practice, typically used in contexts of persecution, and not a broad mandate for lying. Tawriya: Tawriya refers to using ambiguous language to mislead while technically telling the truth, permissible in some Islamic legal contexts to achieve legitimate goals. It is bound by ethical constraints and not a general allowance for deceit. Muruna: Muruna allows temporary flexibility in Islamic practices to blend into non-Muslim environments, often for self-preservation. It is less established in traditional scholarship and frequently exaggerated in anti-Islamic narratives
These definitions of the same words are more explanatory Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to Muslim identity (i.e whether one is a Muslim or what that means). This is a Shiite term: the Sunni counterpart is Muda'rat.
Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind" while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Tawriya - Intentionally creating a false impression by saying something that is technically true, when knowing that the listener will interpret it in a different way. This practice has a broader application than taqiyya.
Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others
P/S .I've insisted I don't want to derail this thread when there is a better section .
GloriousGbola: Parade had the same size as a mushroom. And inspired the same level of excitement
Would you attend when protests are planned by liberals all over the country? Instead of honouring military 250th anniversary, they launch the biggest protests against one person. Adds more ammunition to " liberalism is mental sickness"
In my God given wisdom I opined from the very onset that Iran was commiting war crimes and you challenged me. IDF has informed Iranian civilians living near weapons manufacturing factories to evacuate .Who does that? Issue advance warning to specific people unlike Iran warning it will fire missiles with a 500 m plus radius of where it's aimed at.
Look at what IDF has targeted vs what Iran is targeting . The international community should never have accepted Iran's right to retaliate the Beirut bombing if their Hezbollah terrorist headquarters next to their embassy.. Again I am proven correct . Y'all wrong and you're sympathetic to Iran genocide loving Ayatollahs. P/S . Their rockets have killed Israel Arabs too . Israel has 20% Muslim population who are also targets. Shows how much Jew hatred they have. They don't care killing their fellow Muslims as long Jews die in the process
IDF. Wants to avoid wanton civilian casualties as they have done in Gaza and Lebanon.
EnlightenedUFO: It was a lifeless display and they all just felt like they shouldn't be there.
The U.S. Army celebrated its 200th anniversary in 1975, marking its formation on June 14, 1775, when the Continental Congress authorized the establishment of the Continental Army. The bicentennial was commemorated with various events reflecting the Army's history and its role in the nation, especially as it coincided with broader U.S. bicentennial celebrations. Here are key highlights based on available information: Nationwide Events: The Army participated in bicentennial activities across the U.S., including parades, historical reenactments, and ceremonies at military bases. Many events were tied to the broader American Revolution Bicentennial, emphasizing the Army’s founding during the Revolutionary War.
Shea Stadium Ceremony: A notable event occurred on June 15, 1975, during a pregame ceremony at Shea Stadium in New York. The U.S. Army coordinated a display with the New York Mets, featuring a 21-gun salute with 75mm pack howitzers. The cannons, fired by soldiers from Fort Hamilton, accidentally damaged the outfield fence, causing a delay as groundskeepers repaired it. This incident, while unintended, became a memorable anecdote from the celebrations.
Unit-Level Commemorations: Individual Army units, such as the 3rd Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), held ceremonies at bases like Fort Myer, Virginia. These included formal parades, historical exhibits, and speeches highlighting the Army’s contributions from the Revolution to the Vietnam War era.
Public Engagement: The Army used the occasion to connect with the public, showcasing its history through open houses at military installations, displays of equipment, and educational programs about its role in national defense. Some bases hosted "Army Days" with demonstrations of military drills and equipment.
Commemorative Items: The Army issued special publications, such as historical booklets, and some units distributed commemorative coins or patches. The U.S. Army Center of Military History also produced materials to educate the public about the Army’s legacy.
EnlightenedUFO: So pathetic, felt like crying for you guys 😂😂🤣😭🤦🏻😂
But I know you never watched it because if you did you'd just be pissed off like this draft dodging tyrant
Army celebrating 250 years is a milestone. They sang Happy birthday to Trump too. Democrats were hoping a heavy downpour would mar the celebration. Liberals were also protesting "No Kings" to diminish importance of the parade.
bemeruca: Vance Luther Boelter, aged 57 (born July 1967), is a Minnesota resident identified by law enforcement as a suspect in the targeted shootings of Minnesota lawmakers
In 2019, Governor Tim Walz reappointed Vance Boelter to the Minnesota Governor’s Workforce Development Council, where he served until January 2023. This council advises the governor on workforce development strategies and policies. Boelter had initially been appointed to the same council in 2016 by then-Governor Mark Dayton.
His wife also worked as an intern for Tim Waltz in 2010. The victims had voted for a law to repeal benefits for illegal aliens. He was found with a 70 plus names kill list. Names of pro choice politicians among others . He also had flyers for the "No Kings" protest. He owns properties but had rented a part time room .He texted his roommates about having made some bad choices and he might be dead soon.
Can't make head of tail what was up with him. Coincidentally his crimes were on the same day an unhinged democrat shot Republican lawmaker Scalice in 2017.
slammintruth: Never go. Just one more. Did Russia flew their junks all over Ukraine during the first days of the war or were they launching from outside Ukraines airspace? I am 100% sure their planes were all over Ukraine pounding and wrecking havoc. So what now happened that made them stop entering Ukraine airspace? You mean between 2014 and 2022 the west didnt send air defense to Ukraine? They actually started sending air defense 14 days into the war that made Russian aircraft to retreat back to Russia? Oga Iran and most likely Russian military officers inside Iran are allowing Israeli planes to fly freely wihile gathering vital information of their patterns. This is the same reason Russia is not flying bombers over the airspace of Ukraine. Ukraine is a small fish compared to the bigger war ahead. Does the mood in Iran look like they even care that Israel is bombing anything?
Oga Israel and the west have SEAD ( Suppress Air Defences} as the first act of war. Russia is struggling with Ukraine because they don't control the airspace. They also want to win the hearts and minds of Ukrainians so they have not gone full damage on civilian infrastructure
CreativeOrbit: Your response is built entirely on selective outrage, historical distortion, and a refusal to engage with the root causes of conflict. Let me respond directly, without “long-winded essays”—just facts and principle.
1. “How do you deal with people who want you dead?”
You ask this as if Israel is a passive victim. In reality, Israel is the only side in this conflict with:
a fully equipped military,
nuclear weapons,
a decades-long occupation of another people’s land,
and a documented record of ethnic cleansing, blockades, and collective punishment.
Palestinians did not wake up one day and decide to “hate” anyone. They were dispossessed, displaced, and dehumanized. The occupation—not religion, not race—is the source of resistance. When you steal someone’s home and bomb their children, you don’t get to act shocked when they resist.
2. “They teach their kids to hate you.”
And what does Israel teach its children? That Arabs are “two-legged beasts”? That Gaza must be “flattened”? That Palestinians are “terrorists” from birth?
Israeli textbooks, politicians, and settlers are filled with hate speech, genocidal rhetoric, and open calls for expulsion. Extremism exists on both sides, but only one side occupies, bombs, imprisons, and bulldozes the other daily.
3. “Palestinians and Iranians are genocidal.”
This is projection at its finest. The real genocide is the one backed by American weapons and carried out by Israeli jets—tens of thousands of civilians killed, including children, journalists, and doctors.
Iran’s support for Palestine is based on opposing occupation and apartheid—not religious hatred. If you truly oppose genocide, start by condemning those who commit it with airstrikes, siege, and illegal settlements—not those who resist it.
4. “Abbas wants a Judenrein state.”
This is another distortion. Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) has publicly supported a two-state solution, and has long cooperated with Israeli security forces. You’re citing a dubious mistranslation of a comment allegedly made decades ago, taken out of context.
Meanwhile, it is Israeli politicians who regularly call for wiping Gaza off the map, or transferring all Arabs out of “Greater Israel.” So if your standard for outrage is rhetoric, apply it evenly.
And for the record: Jews have always lived under Muslim rule throughout history—in Baghdad, Cairo, Cordoba, Istanbul, and yes, even Palestine—without persecution. The Zionist project is not synonymous with Judaism, and opposition to Israel’s actions is not antisemitism.
In Conclusion:
You want a direct answer? Here it is: Justice first, peace second. No people under occupation is obligated to love their oppressor. The way to “deal with” Palestinians is not through mass punishment or dehumanization—it’s through ending the occupation, recognizing their right to self-determination, and applying international law equally to all.
If you want to be taken seriously, stop pretending that resistance is genocide while ignoring the decades of state violence that made resistance inevitable.
Palestinian hatred for Israel is not merely over land. Jews and others were dhimmis , the way ISIS demanded of others living within the territories they controlled. Pogroms against Jews in Israel didn't start in 1948. Palestinians are not interested in the land.They want the Jews out . Iran is firing missiles which can't tell who is an Israel Arab or a Palestinian. Some of the 20% in Israel are happy with Iran hitting Israel even though they may die in the process. Israel knows exactly what the Iranians and Palestinians want from them, Outsiders like you and liberals want to mollify Israel by believing their deity ordained rights to lie about their intentions. An example. A useless fatwa by Khamenei is quoted by the west about Iran not needing a nuclear weapon. He can tell a microphone anything he doesn't believe in. The west uses that to bludgeon Israel. Fortunately Israel kmows exactly what their enemies want
I repeat. This can war can see the first EMP ever deployed Hopefully saber heads will prevail before we get there. Pakistami ( and frankly to me they never look intelligent) have offered nuclear umbrella to Iran Incase matters go South. Every other nation could get their hands on one in a few years. You know where to get me if you want to understand why there is turmoil in the Middle East. Apparently you either know or you are out to deceive.
CreativeOrbit: Your response reveals a troubling reliance on historical distortions, one-sided narratives, and reductionist tropes rather than sincere engagement with facts or international law. Let me address your points systematically:
1. “Where are the Hamas rockets?” / “From the River to the Sea”
You cite slogans and intentions while ignoring context. "From the river to the sea" is interpreted differently across the spectrum—some use it as a call for equality and the dismantling of apartheid policies, not the extermination of Jews. Conflating political slogans with genocidal intentions is intellectually dishonest and serves only to demonize an entire population.
If your concern is civilian safety, ask yourself: Where are the Israeli missiles aimed? Documented human rights reports by the UN, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch consistently cite Israeli strikes on homes, hospitals, and refugee camps. These are not Hamas headquarters. And the presence of a combatant does not justify obliterating entire civilian areas—international law forbids it.
2. “Military use of civilian structures makes them legitimate targets”
This is not how international humanitarian law works. Civilian infrastructure does not become fair game simply because combatants may be nearby. Proportionality and distinction are legal requirements in warfare. Bombing an entire residential tower because an unarmed “spotter” is present is neither lawful nor moral. Your argument implies collective punishment—a war crime.
3. “Arab nations expelled Jews, so Israel was justified in its actions”
You are trying to justify ethnic cleansing with unrelated injustices. Two wrongs do not make a right. Even if Jews faced discrimination elsewhere, that does not legitimize the displacement and dispossession of native Palestinians. Moreover, many Arab Jews were exploited by Zionist elites and coerced into emigration as part of nation-building propaganda, a fact Israeli historians themselves have acknowledged.
4. “Palestinians should’ve been settled by Arab states”
This is a common deflection. Refugees have the right to return to their homes under international law (UN Resolution 194). Palestinians did not abandon their homes voluntarily—they were ethnically cleansed in 1948 and again in 1967. To suggest they be absorbed elsewhere is like telling a robbery victim to just move on while the thief lives in his house.
5. “Palestinians are genocidal” / “They pray for Jewish death”
This is a deeply prejudiced and offensive claim. Islamic prayer includes no such incitement. In fact, the Qur'an commands justice, even with those we disagree with: “Do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just: that is nearer to righteousness.” (Qur'an 5:
If some individuals or fringe groups express hatred, that is not representative of the entire population or Islam. By contrast, top Israeli officials have made open calls for the destruction of Gaza and the denial of Palestinian identity—why is that not called genocidal?
6. “Taqqiya” / Accusing Muslims of deception
The invocation of taqiyya here is not only ignorant but bigoted. Taqiyya was a specific doctrine historically used by persecuted Shia minorities to conceal their faith under threat of death—it has nothing to do with Palestinians or lying in diplomacy. Throwing this term around as if all Muslims are inherently deceptive is an Islamophobic stereotype, not a serious argument.
7. “Israel uses lawyers in warfare”
This is often cited as proof of Israeli morality, but legal consultation does not absolve actions. A war crime remains a war crime, even if done with legal advice. The documented reality is that Israeli strikes have killed thousands of civilians, including women, children, and aid workers, with impunity.
In Conclusion:
You support a state that:
Holds 2 million people in an open-air prison.
Enforces an apartheid regime, as documented by major human rights organizations.
Engages in collective punishment and indiscriminate bombardment.
Yet you accuse those resisting this oppression of genocidal intent. Your moral compass seems to point only in one direction.
If you truly seek justice, apply your standards evenly. Don’t reduce Palestinians to caricatures and justify state terror under the banner of defense. Justice requires more than tribal loyalty—it requires intellectual honesty and moral consistency.
I'll respond later but how do you deal with a people who want you dead who teach their kids to hate you. Who reward those who kill you. How you deal with them. I don't fall for long winded essays ignoring direct answers. Fact is Palestinians and Iranians are genocidal. They want no peaceful coexistence. In the event of a Palestinian state Abu Mazhen ( the sponsor of 1972 Munich massacre, whose Russian PhD dissertation was on denying the Holocaust ) has stated that a Palestinian state will be judenrein. Abu Mazhen is Mohammed Abbas, the Palestinian president. Think this is now going deep into religious perspectives , that's why I prefer another section.
CreativeOrbit: Your response is not only intellectually shallow—it reeks of the usual Western fear-mongering and sectarian ignorance wrapped in the illusion of moral concern.
First, the irony of you warning against “religious zealots” having nukes is laughable. The only country in history to actually use nuclear weapons is the “Christian” United States, which incinerated hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And spare me the fiction of secular purity—American presidents invoke God before war, Israeli settlers chant Biblical genocide verses, and evangelicals salivate over Armageddon more than any Shia ever hoped for the Mahdi.
Second, Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine is public, defensive, and built in response to decades of Indian aggression, including genocide in Kashmir. Unlike Israel, which denies its arsenal, Pakistan is at least honest. And let’s not forget: it was Western support that pushed both India and Israel into becoming undeclared nuclear powers—yet you conveniently lose your voice when your allies do it. Hypocrisy is the only consistent value you cling to.
Third, your cheap mockery of the Mahdi—whom Muslims believe will restore global justice—only exposes your ignorance. You call him the Dajjal? That’s a theological blunder so absurd it disqualifies you from serious conversation. You don't even understand basic Islamic eschatology, yet you're lecturing Muslims about who's “trustworthy” with technology? Learn first, then speak.
Fourth, you say you’d trust Kim Jong Un more than Iran? Good. Then stop crying about Iran enriching uranium if North Korea’s status doesn’t keep you up at night. Because Iran, unlike North Korea, has signed the NPT, opened its sites to IAEA inspections, and submitted to frameworks—only to be betrayed time and again. Who’s irrational? The one seeking guarantees? Or the one demanding disarmament after repeated Western backstabbing?
Let’s be clear: the issue isn’t about “trust”—it’s about control. You just can’t accept a Muslim nation being scientifically independent, militarily capable, and politically unbending. That’s what disturbs you—not theology, not nukes, not ideology.
So save your manufactured concern. Iran will not beg for approval from a world that’s knee-deep in blood-soaked hypocrisy. Nuclear capability is a deterrent, not a toy—and after Iraq, Libya, and Palestine, any nation that doesn’t secure its own survival is suicidal.
You fear Iran not because it's reckless—but because it won’t kneel. And that, to you, is the ultimate crime.
Zealots. 2011, some of Khamenei's clerical supporters, such as Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi and Mesbah Yazdi, promoted the idea that Khamenei, as the Guardian Jurist, was the sole medium through which the Hidden Imam could be contacted during his occultation. They asserted that Khamenei's decisions were infallible and guided by the Hidden Imam, effectively positioning him as the Imam's representative. For instance, on July 18, 2011, Mesbah Yazdi stated that pleasing the Hidden Imam required securing Khamenei's satisfaction, and Alamol-Hoda, a Mashhad Friday prayer leader, claimed Khamenei was the only channel to the Hidden Imam. These statements were part of a campaign to bolster Khamenei's religio-political authority, but they do not indicate that Khamenei himself claimed to have directly spoken to the Hidden Imam.
Khamenei is reported to have said the 12th Imam will return in his time. If you know what means .........
That's why those Ayatollahs should never get the bomb.
Unlike you ,I know their public pronouncements are usually lies.. Kim jong Um would never fire an atomic bomb because he has everything to lose. An Ayatollah has everything to gain. Get the difference.
Gbadebo19: Israeli forces struck Iran’s South Pars Phase 14 refinery, one of the world’s largest natural gas extraction facilities.
IRGC outlet Tasnim reports an explosion and fire at Iran’s Fajr Jam Gas Refinery. The facility processes up to 125 million cubic meters of gas per day.
Iran will cry for years.
At that rate an EMP will be detonated. Methinks sober heads need to prevail.
CreativeOrbit: Your statement is a textbook example of selective outrage, technical misdirection, and geopolitical hypocrisy masquerading as moral concern. Let’s address it point by point with clarity.
First, your reference to CEP (Circular Error Probable) is misleading. Precision in missile technology is not equivalent to moral superiority. A war crime does not become excusable simply because it was committed with a 1-meter accuracy. If anything, deliberately striking civilian infrastructure with high-precision weapons only underscores intent—making the crime more deliberate, not less. Israel’s consistent targeting of residential towers, hospitals, schools, and refugee camps with so-called "precision" weapons does not exonerate it—it indicts it.
Second, your claim that Iran’s ballistic missile use equates to deliberate targeting of civilians ignores both strategic reality and context. Iran, like any sovereign state under threat, develops missile capability primarily for deterrence—particularly against a hostile nuclear-armed state like Israel, which has repeatedly demonstrated willingness to assassinate scientists, bomb sovereign nations, and violate international law with impunity. You want to moralize about warheads while defending a state with undeclared nuclear weapons, zero NPT compliance, and a long history of collective punishment?
Third, the myth that “Hamas hides behind civilians” has been thoroughly debunked. Gaza is one of the most densely populated territories on Earth, under total siege. To claim that resistance groups “hide” among civilians is to ignore the brutal fact that in Gaza, there is no place that is not “civilian”—and it is Israel’s siege and blockade that created this reality. Regardless, international law is clear: the presence of combatants does not justify indiscriminate attacks on civilians or civilian infrastructure.
Fourth, your portrayal of the IDF as morally superior due to “precision strikes” is both disingenuous and offensive. Israeli warplanes have bombed journalists, UN shelters, ambulances, and apartment complexes. The IDF’s so-called “warnings” are often meaningless gestures when followed by large-scale destruction and high civilian casualties. Your reference to “dud bombs” and “evacuation notices” is propaganda that ignores the impossibility of escape in a besieged, closed-off strip of land with nowhere to run.
Finally, Iran and its allies—Hezbollah, Ansarullah, and others—are not engaging in random violence. They are responding to decades of occupation, apartheid, aggression, and foreign-backed terrorism. They are operating under the logic of deterrence and asymmetric resistance. If your concern is truly civilian casualties, then you should first condemn the root causes: Zionist expansionism, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, and the systemic violence that made armed resistance a necessity—not a choice.
In conclusion, moral outrage loses all credibility when it is weaponized selectively. If you wish to be taken seriously, start by applying your standards universally—to all sides, not just those you oppose politically or ideologically. Otherwise, your argument is not a defense of law or ethics—it’s a defense of power disguised as principle.
Would be nice if you let us know where Hamas rockets are. Whether kindergarten children aspire to eliminate Israel in totality , not just getting their land. What "From the river to the sea "really means. Any premises being used for military operations becomes a legitimate target, whether it's a high rise building with unarmed spotters on the roof passing intelligence. Aran nations banished all their Jewry after 1948,who were settled in modern day Israel. I doubt you know that. Those who fled British Mandate Palestine in 1947/48 should have had no problem getting settled by the fellow Arabs. Instead they became Palestinians ,got UNRWA to support them who accord them permanent refugee status including their grandchildren. I support Israel because their enemies are genocidal.Where Mein Kampf is found in many a homestead. The Palestinian ultimate aim is to exterminate every Jews in Israel. To do that they pretend they want to peace , what's known as Taqqiya. How do you make peace sign people who pray for your death 5 times a day? I understand the Palestinian mentality,you clearly song and you have fallen for their lies Not that Israel is innocent of crimes though,Tell me how many armies you know of who fight with their own lawyers scrutinizing everything.
nateevs: You are a liar. Show where Iran showed their readiness to strike Israel. You have been lying post after post. Just like the Zionists. Your aim is never to prove anything, just lie and then attack. Show the proof.
Only two posts ago, you were 100% sure Iran's capacity to respond was decapitated. Now you are confirming back to me that they have fired 100s of missiles. Where did Iran suddenly find the capacity to respond? Your theories are not ever based in the discovery of truth.
How do you know there were no fatalities? Because Israel said so? Do you think Israel will admit the correctness of anything? We that are outside of this bubble know Israel very well. They will understate if it serves a purpose, overstate for another.
Keep deceiving yourself. You and your goons are extremely shortsighted. You think this is about this round of battle. There's nearly 100m people in Iran. They will mobile 10m people easily to build drones that can reach Israel at $10,000/ unit. Every single Arrow 3 missile response is costing Israel and the US northwards of $3m a piece.
Iran will overwhelm Israel over a longer battle economically, and lead it towards the need to invade. But you cannot invade a country that can mobilise a 1m man army.
The US will have to back out at some point, because politically, I am expecting MAGA, and everyone else will unite against the Neo-cons and Zionists, and put so much pressure to abandon Israel.
Israel should have stayed with the negotiation.
Iran has been touting ballistic missiles dialedtp hit Israel. They have shown AI images of their missiles hitting the Dimona reacor.
The two generals in the video were taken out by IDF yesterday. Karma. Fatalities.. Israel suffered 3 dead. Media at least the one I watched was running a chyron with Israel 3 dead civilians , Iran 78 dead civilians giving the impression that Israel directly attacked civilians .
feedthenation: ---Oga Basilico---small, small now---when did Iran committed war crime---yes the regime is authoritarian, with crimes against humanity (Iran citizens) and sponsor a number of Islamists groups---however to say they are involved in war crime is factually not true---
They are targeting civilians. I'm surprised some of those ballistic missiles have not landed in West Bank and Gaza.
obedience4: One side is carefully targeting and eliminating the top brass of the Iranian military. The other side is celebrating hitting buildings on social media
48 hours of hostilities, and you have lost seven highly ranked generals, five scientists, and more than fifty plus civilians, yet you are winning 😉.
Hesbolla was boasting about 150,000 rockers and missiles aimed at Israel. Many hidden in civilian areas while others are buried underground. Most of the stuff was supplied by Iran ,or Iran trained them how to build weapons.
Iran also showed off ballistic missiles in tunnels a few months ago. They definitely have thousands of intermediate range rockets
A video released on March 25, 2025, showing Iranian military officials, including Major General Mohammad Bagheri and Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, touring a large underground missile facility. This was broadcast by Iranian state media and shared on YouTube, highlighting missiles ready for rapid launch via an automated railway-type system.
Earlier footage from November 2020 showcased a similar underground facility with missiles on a rail system for consecutive launches, shared on YouTube by Iran’s Military Achievements Media
Iran doesn't have any air force ,only missiles and drones to use on Israel. I've seen footage of the damage caused by those missiles and it appears quite substantial. I believe Iran has hundreds of sites of buried launchers and missiles. This doesn't look good. IDF also has its own ballistic missiles but it will be a war crime at the ICC if it misses Saner heads should prevail sooner rather than later..
Alamkiir: 60 Iranian civilians were killed in Israeli strike on the Jamaran residential complex in Tehran.
20 children among the victims, 10 bodies recovered so far.
Pls how many isreali civilians have died
I already answered that. You can't blow up enemies in their bedrooms and leave the other occupants At the same time an IDF pilot can't leave Israel looking for you for plotting mass murder then go back with his bombs because there were people around you. It don't work that way
If Israel didn't have bomb shelters like Gaza, iron dome, David's sling arrow systems there would have been thousands of casualties. Because try have that AD. It's justified to fire anything to them.
Crayfish09: I frequent American politics thread. If you knew some of the crazy stuff that guy posts in defence of Trump, you wouldn't take him seriously.
And noone has ever proven me wrong there on a substantial matter.
Jovi10: Someone tagged you to the post of the civilians that where killed in yesterday's attack by Israel in Tehran, you didn't say anything about it. Oga stop disturbing our ears jare. Since there's no war crimes in Gaza, then there's none in Ukraine and there's none in tel aviv too. So stop lying.
IDF bombs are intelligent. There were scientists and generals blown up in their bedroom. The bomb got in looking for them and leaving anyone else in the room or house. That's why they are called smart bombs. The latest version calls out your name and reads your body language before it kills you leaving those next to you untouched. Likewise Hamas rockets fired into Israel are harmless, they attach roses,chocolate ,candy ,messages and balloons . IDF should not bother with iron dome, neither should they attack the source ( a mosque or a school compound) because anyway the rocket was harmless. They in total have fired over 20,000 harmless rockets to Israel since Oct 7 2023 with messages of love and how they healthy the hostages they kidnapped from Israel are..
ariesbull: I agree with you and that is what Zelensky is trying to do ..but KGB intelligence is on a different level it will pin point them
I can see Iranians came out in the thousands to streets to celebrate their revenge. They know very well IDF won't target them. They can do this while IDF planes fly overhead . In Israel if there was a crowd , Iran would target it. Didn't their underlings attack a music concert. Then visited horror to kibbutz residents. There used to be a YouTube video where IDF warns residents to evacuate , instead they go to the rooftops women and Children daring to be bombed.
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while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
