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Obrigardo:
If you are still a Maga dunce cultists do you feel like the air is been sucked out of you
All your top maga influencers have bailed on the tyrant child sexual predator
Even the UFC safe haven was just too cold for him
X has closed the maga grifting loophole, even libsoftiktok and domlucre are crying - mama come save me

I told you guys last 2 years maga is dead, we are just dancing on the coffin right now.

DeepSight:
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So tell me about nations and empires before and without the said scriptures. Rome, Greece, etc.

They too didn't have the necessary culture to allow inventions?

What are you smoking?

Besides, you still haven't addressed the verses I provided you with. You keep yapping about flat Earth I have never once mentioned.

Are you stable?

DeepSight:
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This post discloses someone who needs urgent assessment and assistance.

LordReed:
Ok show me someone who saw something in the Bible like you are saying here then invented something.

DeepSight:
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The verses I cited did not discuss the shape of the Earth so you are discussing something else. The point of those verses was to show you that there are several verses which the church used to counter and persecute scientists. You are a weak discussant.

LordReed:
LoLz. The Quran is not a science journal either but you want us to present you inventions that came directly from Islamic study.

Anyway, thanks for conceding that no invention came from Christianity study.

LordReed:
No, banks are critical to the kind of economy we have now, they didn't always exist and economies got on just fine without them.

DeepSight:
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Really?

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1. The Immobility of the Earth
The most famous conflicts, such as the Galileo Affair, centered on the idea that the Earth moves. Critics used several "proofs" from the Old Testament to argue that the Earth is fixed in place.

Psalm 104:5

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved."
This was perhaps the most cited verse against Nicolaus Copernicus and Galileo Galilei. If the Bible says the Earth cannot be moved, the heliocentric theory (Earth revolving around the Sun) was viewed as a direct contradiction of divine revelation.

Psalm 93:1

"...The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."
Similar to Psalm 104, this was used to provide a physical "fact" about the stability of the globe.

1 Chronicles 16:30

"Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."

2. The Motion of the Sun
To the observers of the time, the Sun appeared to "rise" and "set." Scientific theories suggesting it was the Earth moving instead were countered with verses describing the Sun’s movement.

Joshua 10:12–13

"On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: 'Sun, stand still over Gibeon...' The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."
Martin Luther and other religious leaders famously argued that for Joshua to command the Sun to stand still, the Sun must have been the object in motion to begin with.

Ecclesiastes 1:5

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."
This verse was used to support the Ptolemaic system, which claimed the Sun orbited the Earth daily.

3. The Structure of the Heavens
The concept of "the firmament" was often used to push back against atmospheric or astronomical discoveries that suggested an infinite or vacuum-filled space.

Genesis 1:6–7

"And God said, 'Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.' ...God called the vault 'sky.'"
Early interpretations suggested a physical dome (the firmament) held back literal water. When astronomers began suggesting the heavens were fluid or empty space, it challenged the literalist view of a solid cosmic structure.

4. The Origin of Life and Humanity
With the publication of Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species in 1859, the focus shifted from physics to biology.

Genesis 1:26–27

"Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness...'"
This was (and is) the primary verse used to deny Evolutionary Theory. The argument is that if humans share a common ancestor with primates, they cannot be uniquely created "in the image of God."

LordReed:
Actual interest is a trap which is why it has to be regulated or else all the money would belong to the banks. I think the ban on interest is the right way to proceed. You want money to be working not just sitting in a bank acquiring exorbitant interest.

DeepSight:
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Stop lying okay?

And why by the way do you ignore the repression of science and scientists by the church which is history?

DeepSight:
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I feel like tearing my hair out. So you know this but then demand examples of inventions arising from Islamic study?

LordReed:
LoLz. The Quran is not a science journal either but you want us to present you inventions that came directly from Islamic study.

Anyway, thanks for conceding that no invention came from Christianity study.

LordReed:
That is not an invention but even at that, it did not come about by Christianity study.

LordReed:
Which inventions came directly from Christianity study?

GloriousGbola:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State

belgium were the OG short sleeve crew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943



in the age of information you insist on remaining ignorant

DeepSight:
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That you can say this is dumbfounding . . . . . well not any more. You turn out just as bad a benalvino3 and the rest. Who can take this joke of a statement seriously in light of the history of colonialism and western empire in general. No one. Not a single literate person can take this statement without laughing himself to tears.


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Again, one of your difficulties is a failure to understand that many inventions or ideas were thought of by different people in different cultures at different times without interaction, and sometimes even simultaneously (such as with the Theory of Evolution).

DeepSight:
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Same point as in post above - many cultures invent the same things separately and originally. This is a known fact.

Besides I gave you a list of one hundred things. You can only weakly try to mention a few. Do you want me to increase the list to one thousand? Because as I said, what I extracted and posted for your benefit is only the tip of an ice berg.

DeepSight:
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This discussion was about the golden age of Islam which no one says was at the time of the prophets or the earliest Caliphs.


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Except in the golden age of Islam which is the reference point for this discussion.

DeepSight:
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Unlike Isis/ Boko Haram, etc - in the golden age of Islam, Education was prized. So there is a difference.


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This is tiresome. The map of the land they plan to seize is on the uniforms of the IDF.

DeepSight:
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I also added to my post above clarifying that expansion is actually one of the catalysts of development -


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Nonetheless I am not sure it is fair for you to use ISIS as the benchmark.
You would make no mention of the Greater Israel Project would you, notwithstanding that its map is on the uniforms of the IDF and covers parts of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia?

DeepSight:
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I have shouted myself hoarse on this thread and elsewhere that Islam is backward. This doesnt mean there was no time when Muslim nations were doing very well in scholarship and led the world in much forward thought and education, not least in medicine, mathematics and other sciences. That is what is referred to as the golden age of Islam and I have been particular that its not a matter of those developments leaping out of the Quran.

DeepSight:
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This here is one of the problems you have. No society does the bold. History and development are the result of a massive interaction and fluid flow of ideas, innovations and developments which build one piece upon the other and from one society to another in one season after another through travel, trade, wars etc.

So both you and TV01 are wasting my time when you point out that very interaction and fluid flow as grounds to claim Muslims invented nothing.

DeepSight:
TV01, basilico, contd...

Sub-Saharan Africa
Ancient African civilizations pioneered metalworking and astronomy.

91. Iron Smelting (Nok and Central Africa)
92. The Dogon Star Charts (Astronomy)
93. The Lebombo Bone (Mathematical tally stick)
94. The Ishango Bone (Early calculator)
95. Great Zimbabwe Architecture (Dry stone masonry)
96. Inoculation (Practiced by the Akan and others before the West)
97. Deep-Sea Vessels (Mali Empire exploration)
98. Fractional Math (Rhind Papyrus roots in Nubia/Egypt)
99. Ancient Metallurgy (Haya people’s high-temperature furnaces)
100. Complex Urban Planning (The Walls of Benin)[/color]

THEDEEPSIGHT:
TV01 and basilico, confidently argue here that only Judeo-Christian cultures ever invented anything.

cc: budaatum. Ijebos. cococandy. LordReed. I figure this must be somehow tied into their Caucasian worship.

I feel weird extracting the below list, but I will just do it for posterity.

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The Islamic Golden Age (Middle East & North Africa)
During the Middle Ages, Islamic scholars revolutionized science, medicine, and engineering.

21. Algebra (Al-Khwarizmi)
22. The Camera Obscura (Ibn al-Haytham)
23. The Syringe (Ammar ibn Ali al-Mawsili)
24. Surgical Catgut (Al-Zahrawi)
25. The Astrolabe (Perfected for navigation)
26. The Crankshaft (Al-Jazari)
27. The Suction Pump
28. The Windmill (Vertical-axis, Sistan)
29. Soap (Solid bars with scents)
30. The Fountain Pen (For the Caliph of Maghreb)
31. Coffee (Ethiopian origin, popularized in Yemen/Arabia)
32. The Cheque (Sakk)
33. Universities as Degree-Granting Institutions (University of Al-Quaraouiyine)
34. Modern Chemistry (Jabir ibn Hayyan/Geber)
35. The Distillation Flask (Alembic)
36. Flying Machine Prototypes (Abbas ibn Firnas)
37. The Oud (Predecessor to the Lute/Guitar)
38. The First Public Hospital (Bimaristan)
39. Inoculation (Early smallpox prevention)
40. Magnifying Glass (Convex lenses)

cc: TV01, basilico

DeepSight:
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You and TV01 truly succeeded in numbing me and giving me a cold shock. I truly had goose pimples reading what you both asserted. Nothing could have prepared me for such statements.

I still got banned, I am not even through with the lists I extracted, I still have to post inventions from the pre-Colombus Americas and Africa.

Sad I should have to produce these lists - which are only the tip of an ice berg. Because anyone should know that the whole of human learning is a process where one thing is built upon from previous knowledge of another thing, a pyramid from the base to the pinnacle in which we stand on the shoulders of giants and all of humanity has been involved.