₦airaland Forum

pazienza:
What are you on about? Did Buhari ever apologize for it decant any of those his utterances?
Which humility did Buhari exhibit to become president today.

Ndiigbo must learn to stop being Igbo. That's the only way you are going to please our detractors, if that's what you want. And even that wouldn't be good enough, seeing how they easily fished out Odili as Igbo, when the time was right.

4get talk oga. Buhari compromised his stance to get what had eluded him for long. Igbos must do same.

ghostfacekillar:
don't mind them. Efulefu that's what they are. Eventually when such post is giving to them which they neva xpected. They will start using it to oppress his people to impress his masters and then u hear words like I am a "detribalised Nigerian"..

You must mask your tribalism with fake nationalism for you to progress. Thas the point. Igbos must learn to stop being too straightforward

ghostfacekillar:
mr.. I don't agree.. The European didn't colonise Africa to develop us. They saw us as black monkeys who could walk upright... They used us as sports.they sent some of my fathers to untimely grave... Some was thrown into the sea. Some raped. Castrated and burned alive. Neva u justify their coming as a good thing in Africa. Europe wrecked Africa. They subdued us and tuned us into clown for four hundred years..... European are evil... Pale skin devils... They told us that African was not developed. That we couldn't write. That we were animals living in the Bush and they came and taught us good thing.... Europeans introduced tribalism in Africa...they are evil.. Pale skin devil... They destroyed Africa civilization. Imagine Egypt. Ethiopia. Igbo nsibidi... And lots of other things. European are evil

Egypt and Ethiopia are not really Africans. They had been part of global politics since Bible days. Secondly, the colonist are gone, we have no excuse now

pazienza:
Nope. Those are excuses used to justify the original sin, which is "being Igbo".

Are the Yorubas subtle? They live flamboyant lifestyle, throw Owambe up and down, wear the best clothes even with empty bank accounts. They are loudmouthed and boastful too. They tell whoever that care to listen How they are the most sophisticated group in Nigeria, how they lead in Education, entertainment, etc. How they produced many firsts in Nigeria, how they built first TV station, first tallest building, etc. I have heard it all from them.
It was on this forum we were all told and insulted on daily basis about how the entire Osun IGR is supposedly bigger than those of the entire SE, until the recession came, and they couldn't pay salaries, only then did the loud mouthed ones crawl into their caves.

What about the Hausa-Fulani. They threatened fire and brimstone, should power not return to the North. On daily basis, they made inflammatory statements.
They told their Yoruba partners how they should forget Kwara, should they attempt to go for independence from Nigeria, they went to news media and told the Yorubas How they conquered and converted their pagan clans to Muslims in Ilorin and continue to rule Ilorin today, how is that for subtlety?
Buhari threatened baboon and Monkey getting soaked in blood should he lose the election in 2011,how is that for subtlety?
The current emir of Kano, had the temerity to openly tell the Yorubas that they are the trouble with Nigeria. How is that for subtlety? Yorubas didn't do anything about it. Imaginre if it were Ndiigbo that made that statement, what the rest of Nigerians would say.

None of those groups are subtle, don't let them "psycho bully" you into accepting that Ndiigbo are overdoing things more than they themselves are.

Did Buhari arrogant stance take him anywhere? Dude had to humble and carry Bible to Church. Igbos must learn when to compromise at least until they get what they want

pazienza:
"Let it be known that the original sin of the Igbo has not changed and will never change - it is the sin of being Igbo. It is from it that all other sins emerge and get magnified. The Igbo have nothing to prove and must not begin a defense of that right or a discussion of their Igboness on the terms of others. It is a matter of expediency for the Igbo to know this and for the Igbo to understand its implication in their final battle for survival".

This is the sin of the Igbo man. Being Igbo. This is why those who wish to partake in this sin, rushes first to denounce their Igbo identity.

Oga 4get talk.

ghostfacekillar:
who told u that Eritrea was allowed to go in peace. Go and read about the Civil War Eritrea fought and the last time I checked. Peace was made this year afta 29 years of bitter rivalry between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Eritrea is landlocked and the Ethiopians barred them from using the sea ports and placed troops there but still Eritrea was booming and later peace was made..

Its the other way round. Eritrea blocked Ethiopia from the sea

pazienza:
In a 2005 Igbo Day keynote speech titled, The Primacy of Political or Economic power: The Igbo Dilemma, Professor Anya O. Anya noted that:

“There is an inherent paradox and contradiction in the lgboman's place in Nigeria. On the one hand given his industry, his intelligence and his enterprise, the Igboman is a desirable gift to Nigeria and the stuff of which great nations and great civilizations can be built. On the other hand, given his presumptive confidence in his abilities and his unabashed hunger to succeed at whatever cost, he engenders fear and unwelcome visibility amongst his compatriots. His lack of subtlety, his drive to overcome and his insatiable "greed" for material progress engenders resentment and often inexplicable, and perhaps, undeserved hostility in the host communities. His "loud" style of Life and the facility with which he can adapt to and adopt new ways can also be unsettling to foreign cultural formations that have come in contact with the lgbo including the colonial masters. There is thus an underlying sense of conflict in the lgbo presence in Nigeria.”

"Lack of subtlety" is the beginning of igbo failures. Igbos really need a change of attitude. Nobody will fold their hand and watch you overrun them if you are too loud.

themonk:
When I finish hustling in lagos I'll be back to 042 to rest and enjoy the rest of my life. I've never seen a city like enugu. The serene enviroment, Good roads and infrastructure, security, cheap houses and basic amenities. Enugu is the place to be.

Me too.

Bede2u:
my problem with ironsi is slacking and getting killed.

Someone surrounded by wounded enemies guards his life with passion all the time.

He should have executed nzeogwu and co. Then execute the northerners accused of plotting against him

Bede2u:
my problem with ojukwu was

1. Going to war without weapons
2. Not being able to play international politics that will win him powerful friends like fidel castro did...
3. prolonging the war wen he already lost

A mere colonel, full of exuberance, know nothing about war

Bede2u:
my problem with zik is not many....but one...

Why didnt he play tribal politics....it was the only politics to play if he wanted wats best for igbos.

That singular mistake is why

Ziks definition of one nigeria was too simplistic. Awo and the north had more sophisticated definition

buhariguy:
how many are registered voters in enugu,?
Are they up to 200,000 with pvc.

1.3 million

Bede2u:
there is nothing to celebrate in the politics played by

Zik
Kaduna nzeogwu
Ojukwu
Ironsi

The 4 of them ruined igbos and buried us.

U can celebrate their 'firsts'

First army goc, 1st president, 1st army graduate etc...but u just shouldnt celebrate their politics. It was grossly naive

Those celebrators seem more naive and its worrisome

Handsomegod:
Okay Bede. One moment you admit knowing all the political and social forces that condition the acts of the above mentioned key Igbo leaders the next moment you revert back to sub par mode to cast aspersions on them. So what problems do you have with Ojukwu and Ironsi? Kindly state them before I respond.

Abeg make we hear word

allcomage:
Nnamdijonathan God bless you,this piece of information is worth a million $s. Let's have open mind about this issue and read widely. The precolonial history recorded by explorers was without biase . There are so many similarities between jewish and igbo culture. The fact that the tradition was in practice before the coming explorers spoke volumes. I'm still on the fence but there are strong evidences not obtainable among other tribes in Nigeria.

After thoroughly perusing the Bible, I stopped being on the fence. There must be a Jewish connection

Ozibe:
This is what I saw in Ibadan last week.. Fed poly Ede.

I had once seen an IVM SUV. That one too had OAUTHC on it number.

Federal institutions are beginning to look inward for locally made cars because, they are cheaper .

I normally see their long bus, the one the size of coaster, in Minna

Bede2u:
we shouldnt say everything here

That's why we must caution the celebrators.

Enugu airport about to get busier

Those who come here to whitewash those ugly history in order to "celebrate their own" should get a life

Bede2u:
i dont want to go into certain things in detail...but was the arch bishop of canterbury also vising osadebeh in benin that he wasnt killed?

Was jesus visting ironsi that he wasnt killed? Who was visiting Nwafor Orizu?

Nzeogwu was a yoruba born- hausa trained vagabon who has no place in igbo political pride

Not only nzeogwu. Igbos went too far in a lot of things in those days.

Handsomegod:
Aside that those sent to Enugu to complete the killings of the noted Igbo leaders failed in their bid,the Arch Bishop of Cyprus was in the East as at that day. It would have been a diplomatic lunacy and blunder to carry out a coup with a such a dignitary in tow. Fate was just against a conclusive success of that coup by all indications. Again,recall British was still the covert string puller in Nigeria then as they are today. They were not silly to thrust power to the north. If that coup had favoured the north,nothing would have happened. Please quit castigating Nzeogwu. He did what was considered the best interest of the nation at his time. Quit giving our enemies live bullets to finish us by perpetuating their false narratives of the putsch and the war proper.

Why didn't ironsi execute the coupist.

Bede2u:
all u said... i knew.

But u are missing one thing already...the fact that 4 out of 5 top officers who planned the coup where igbos and the fact the only 2 premieres who were not killed were igbos.
The only fg actors who were not killed were igbos and the person who benefited from the coup was igbo.

Foolish nzeogwu PERFECTLY played into the arms of the enemy in such a way that questions should be asked if he was actually an slowpoke or just an uninformed fool.

You see why those ugly history is nothing to celebrate? Overstretching your luck must backfire. Zik and co were naive and messed up. Only okpara deserve any atom of accolade

pazienza:
Herbert Macaulay was no Igbo leader, Zik was. That's the difference.

There were many advice coming from all quarters for Ojukwu, ultimately, he couldn't have taken everyone's advise. By the way, do you mind explaining what you mean by "wise counsel" . Can you enumerate those wise counsels to Ojukwu that he rejected, let's see how wise they were, taking cognizance of the situation then.

Ironsi created a big mess. First he dissolved Igbo Union. Then he went on a folly driven mission to unify the government. Then he failed to present Nzeogwu and co to the North to butcher, since he was eager to please them.
If he wasn't going to butcher Nzeogwu and co to appease and pacify the aggrieved North, the next option was to surround himself with Igbo officers and carefully eliminate Northern officers who posed immediate danger.
Instead he did the opposite. He kept Nzeogwu and co alive, and then went and surrounded himself with Northerners. His decision to centralize the government made the propaganda of "Igbo coup" propagated by western region media gain more credibility.
Ironsi contributed a major part to the break out of Igbo progrom in the North, his poor leadership allowed the counter coup to occur. He was easily the worst leader in Igbo history and he left the young Ojukwu with too much mess to clean up when he was murdered.

Nobody is belittling anyone. And nobody has stopped other Igbos from celebrating their own achievements, but what won't happen is those who don't want to celebrate their own achievements, feeling aggrieved about Ndi Anambra celebrating theirs.

Celebrating what exactly? We will call you to order when you embark on meaningless celebration.

Chiwude:
The Ekweremadu that I have been following for years is confrontational and in the mould of Zik, only that he has been lucky to play his politics well. Ekweremadu is just as confused as Zik in matters that consigns the core needs of Ndigbo. He usually loses his voice to issues that bothers the South-East while talk stupidly on issues like restructuring and pro united Nigeria agenda. Left to me, I will pick him as my number 1 candidate for VP position of Igbo extract but it ends there. He lacks charisma and ability to lead the Igbo nation: He is just like Zik in body and soul rather than a vibrant Ojukwu.

The most successful politician in today's igboland. But we don't celebrate individuals

Chiwude:
You tried to elevate Ekweremadu: a sitting duck and new Zik of our time because he's is your kinsman. Pazienza saw your intentions as not genuine.

He is more than zik at the moment. But that's not what we celebrate

Ekweremadu remains the highest ranking igbo politician at the moment. But what is it to celebrate in it. We don't celebrate individuals over here.

Nigeria is a fake country, they envy the uncommon patriotism of the Biafrans

who takes gibberish from afonjas seriously these days, did we not warn them?

IPOB yoots knocking zombies and afonjas out of the ring since 1820BC.

You all better start taking IPOB seriously

can you all now see why Nnamdi Kanu is a Super Hero