Eruditor:


You are a hater with no information. Pep made no demands to City, the club themselves already set up their academy and tried to purchase players that will work with his system. That is why Txiki Begiristain was hired. He was poached by City to lure Pep since he was instrumental to hiring Pep in Barca.

And yes, Pep polished the players he met on ground from Aguero, Silva, KDB, Raheem, Fernandinho all had their goals and assists increase since he arrived. Then he purchased young players for future purposes. Jordan Sancho left because he felt he would get more first team opportunities in Dortmund and he was right. He is not good enough to bench any of the starters. Besides, City wanted to keep him and the player told them he would stay but then changed his mind and decided to leave.

Kelechi's issue is well documented. I even had a conversation with thegoodjoe at the time. Kelechi was looking for constant first team opportunities and he told City to accept Leicester's offer. If Pep did not believe in him City would not have inserted a clause in his contract that allows them to resign him if they wanted. Raheem had an iffy first season under Pep as well. Today we know who he is.

Sancho wouldn't have left if he knew he will develop as much as he thought with Pep in charge. His decision proved to be a masterstroke as Pep have £60m worth of talent in Mahrez rooted to the bench.

You said Pep has improved Silva, Kdb, Aguero and Fernandinho? Improved them how? These guys have won the Premiership before Pep joined.
You're just an average hack who know little about what he's talking about.

Earthquake2:


Average players like?

Van Diyk - 75 million
Allison - 60 million
Keita- 50 million
Fabinho - 50 million
Salah - 40 million

Man city record signing 50 million, Liverpool record signing 75 million
Who is buying the league?

He proved himself at Dortmond where he won the league and made champions league finals on a shoe string budget. Most of these fancy guys you mentioned were not part of the team that got to the finals last season. He used academy players like Arnold, Gomez and the average Loovren to get to the finals.
Get the picture?

Danielnino00:
If Klopp and Guardiola decide to coach their national teams, give their managerial style at club level and the kind of players at their disposal, who would be more successful?


And again,if the super eagles have the opportunity to be coached by one of them,as a die hard super eagle fan,who would u pick?

I need honest replies pls..

cc thegoodjoe Andrew444, bascovanveli, darkelf bazooka1 icon4s Joebie tbaba1234 Forgiveness humility017 Komekn safarigirl
and other distinguished gents(and ladies) of the thread..

Klopp is the ultimate football geek. He has proved he can work with mid level talents and achieve results while Pep is better suited working with top of shelve talents.
Klopp will do better with what we have. Hypothetically speaking.
That's my take.

Eruditor:


LOL, BTW he signed for City because they had been making plans to get him since 2011. They even hired the former Barca CEO just because they wanted him to lure Pep. Blank check ko.

What was Pep Guardiola's demands before signing for Man city?
I ask again. What's your argument really? Did Pep polish the players he met on ground or did he take to the transfer market and as a result young city players left the club in droves for first team football. Sancho is valued at £80m today.
Why did Kelechi leave Man city? Why didn't Pep improve him? Why did Pep buy Jesus when he simply had to improve Kelechi Iheanacho?

Eruditor:


All rubbish lies. Who did Pep buy when he won the sextuple?

Do you know why Laporte cost that much? Hahaha. That was his release clause. As soon as City met it, Bilbao had to sell. This was not "making them an offer they will not refuse" like Liverpool and Klopp did for VVD and Alisson. You people will lie about everything.

You're talking rubbish. Release clause or not, it changes nothing. Inflation is inflation.
Just look at your argument.

Eruditor:


How could he inflate the market when that was his release clause?

Compare that to VVD who was sold to the HIGHEST bidder. You guys should lie with style abeg.

Release clause or not. If you go above the market selling prize especially when you don't have the requisite profile, that causes inflation.
Get it?

andrew444:


Laporte is worth that amount ,he is not an international at least na players like umtiti and varane dey start for France

Laporte is not an international but sent international players to bench ,players like otamendi and especially stones

A rookie can send international players to the bench. The emergence of a 19yr old Fabregas caused Viera to leave Arsenal.
The question I asked is if paying 57m for a player with zero caps caused inflation on the transfer market or not? Don't play smart with me.

andrew444:


Hope you know laporte will start for almost all top teams and even most big national teams? and laporte was having issues with deschamps because of his double mind to play for spain,even till now he has no cap for spain, But the same laporte is one of the epl best defender alongside van dijk? he help mancity win the league last season when he arrived january, hope you know john stones and otamendi has been sent to bench because of this guy? but hope you know stones is an england international and he is a starter? but a non french starter sent him to the bench

You cant expect deschamps to bench Umtiti and Varane for laporte, Never

Did klopp win the finals he went to with Dortmund? na only person wey win final we dey know o despite all team want to play in the finals, na only who win am be achievement, liverpool was brillant last season but they end up winning nothing just because the lost to madrid in the final, madrid was crappy last season but winning the champions league final saved their season

Pep has also been disgraced out of the champions league in barca by bayern, hope you remember the 7-0 bayern beat barca, so loosing makes pep a bad coach abi? you are already using that to berate him..... smiles

What's your point really? You're trying to prove that Larpote going for the amount he went for without being an international didn't inflate the market?

andrew444:


If liverpool got blank check they will give it to klopp,liverpool has been desperate to win trophy from Rodgers days and they have spend what they have,mancity is a richer than Liverpool.

For Klopp to buy a defender of 75 million should tells you alot, if liverpool have the money they will give klop a blank check, van dijk was a risk at that buy but it has already paid of, which big team buys a a defender from Southampton for 75 million

VVD wouldn't have cost 75 million if the transfer market wasn't blown apart by Man city. We are talking about a team who got Laporte with zero international French caps for £57 million.
By the way, Klopp got to the finals of the champions league with Dortmond on a shoe string. The man have proved himself to be top drawer. Pep with the mega bucks of Bayern was always disgraced out of the champions league.

RichardKajola:

Pls let's be balance. I love Pochetino and Kloop, in fact I will be sad because one of them will lose the final.
Let's not reduce the excellent work Guardiola has done with this man city team. If money could buy success, them Mourinho won't have been sacked.
He deserves real credit spending well. Another part you are downplaying is how he has improved almost every player of his squad.
Perhaps Pochetino will have been sacked if he was in a bigger team because he has not won anything at Tottenham, now that's the pressure that comes with coaching a bigger team. That's why I rate him as a top manager, spending money is not an issue spending it well is the main thing....nobody is talking about how much VVD was bought, because it has proved to be money well spent unlike Pogba.Moreover Guardiola has never broken the transfer record not forgetting the outstanding work he did at Barcelona.
If you love pure football, you will love Guardiola's team.

You don't get my point do you? I have never said anything to discredit Pep as a good coach. I think he's brilliant but I have always maintained the Klopp has made more impact judging from where he picked up LIVERPOOL and and having to spend moderately to build until last season when the club built up cash reserve and invested heavily to match city.
If you had followed my argument, you will find out I have always maintained this point.

Guardiola on the other was given a blank check by City. Infact the main reason he joined Man city in the first place was because they promised to make cash available to him for whatever he wanted with no limits.

andrew444:


I know son from his Leverkusen days

Lucas has always been a good player ,psg get their own for Body sha

Lucas has been good since São Paulo days ,he and Neymar was the best player in Brazil league while Neymar playing at Santos ,Lucas was purchased at 45 million euros 7 seasons ago to psg at age 20 ,that should tell you the level of player he is

Wanyama was a beast at Celtic ,sissoko and wijnaldum was Newcastle best player back then .

I will not rate him ahead of pep ,pochetino has not won any trophy,he was supposed to win the Epl ahead of Leicester then because the Epl bigger boys where weak that season ,pochetino said his biggest moment was escaping relegation with espanyol ,maybe it will be changed after last night win against Ajax

Pochetino is good but I won't rate him ahead of pep .

How do you mean you knew Son? You knew him as a world class player or you knew him as just another player in Bayern Leverkusen?

Lucas Moura lost his way at Psg. He was totally a caste off at Psg. Wasn't even making the bench under Unai Emery. The revival in his career is no thanks to Pochetino? Come on.

andrew444:


Should I remind you that pochetino is in the champions league final and didn't spend a dime on buying any player in the past 18 months ?

That's why I rate him ahead of Pep. Guys like Rose, Alli, Keane, Tripper, Son where virtually unknown before working with Pochetino while Luca Moura was a caste off at Psg, Wayama and Sissoko were playing in small Premiership clubs, the less said about Llorente the better.
I have respect for people who achieve results with limited reasourses. It is a trait of sound leadership and good management.

Eruditor:


Sponsorship padding is the one you have investigated or the one that happened years before Pep showed up. Make up your mind about the argument you are trying to make.

I should ask you to maintain your argument because you're at cross roads to which point you're making.
Are you saying Pep improved players at his disposal or he bought players just like every other big club in history. Stop the shithousing and say which one is which.

andrew444:


You don't need to think pep is a good manager

The world knows pep is one do the best in the game

I have maintained Pep is a good manager but I wont over celebrate his success because that was expected after the massive investment by the Abu Dabi group.

By the way you didn't get back to me on Liverpool's league position when Klopp took over. I want to hear you say it.

Eruditor:


The much-vaunted champions league money is propaganda. It is about 20M difference between QF and final. First division team's playing qualifiers into the EPL get more money - fact. Then Etihad being expanded or not is straw man argument. The Centurion team playing the best football in the country attracted the most coverage and sold the most merchandise never mind game tickets.

You are talking earnings and you are bringing Liverpool. LOL.

One would think Man city would not have to resort to sponsorship padding to get ahead of the financial fair play since they have the most merchandise and sales.

Eruditor:


The much-vaunted champions league money is propaganda. It is about 20M difference between QF and final. First division team's playing qualifiers into the EPL get more money - fact. Then Etihad being expanded or not is straw man argument. The Centurion team playing the best football in the country attracted the most coverage and sold the most merchandise never mind game tickets.

You are talking earnings and you are bringing Liverpool. LOL.

You're shooting all over the place. I thought you were talking about the so called 100m deficit. Suddenly the deficit goes up in flames when you add the champions league money and extra takings from the stadium expansion.
Try and anchor your argument on a point. You're currently all over the place.

Eruditor:


LOL do you think City did not make champions league money as well or did not sell far more merchandise than all the other english franchises last year? Where was your own deep thought in that regard?

City were bundled out of the champions league at the quarter finals. I would imagine their earnings won't be the same with the finalists.
I didn't know the Etihad was also expanded like Antfield. My apologies

Eruditor:


He is saying every big club did that. Every one of them. Luck might deflect results here and there but that is what ALL of them did.

Every big club scammed the system to win trophies?
For real?

Eruditor:


I know the argument goes both ways which is why I went on to mention the over 100M disparity. That is not balancing any books my friend. That is not even promissory spending. That shows that Liverpool reinvested in the squad. Something even Sarri did in signing Kepa whose value was heavily inflated just like Allison's. But you are crying kpaho for City who paid just 35M for Ederson and talmbout inflation. Miss me with the claptrap.

Have you factored in the Champions league money and the extra gate takings from the ant field expansion in your 100 million disparity quote?
Don't just bandy words around without a deep thought.

TheGoodJoe:


The merchandise and brand is because they were bank rolled earlier. That is what the likes of Chelsea and City have shown. The Manchester United, Liverpool, your Real Madrid and others were bank rolled earlier. With money, sound investment and time, even Bournemouth can challenge for titles.

But that's the point I'm making. Man city have spent their way to success. Your comment is in agreement with my point.

TheGoodJoe:


If only Bournemouth could have those multiple 10 million to spend.

Manchester United and the other clubs were bank rolled to get ahead over other clubs including Manchester City but you do not call that cheating. It is cheating when another does the same to fight them.

Fantastic breakdown of bias.

You're comparing Bournemouth's merchandise and the brand Liverpool? That's a miss match bro.
Think of another illustration.

Eruditor:


You obviously do not know who you are responding to. Self-sustaining business model my foot. Do you think Barcelona have paid even up to one-half of Phillipe's deal? You guys should stop it with this sophistry. Add up Keita, Fabinho, Allison, VVD that is already 100M more than UCL and Countinho money. Never mind that they almost signed that winger from Lyon and backed out only when he failed a medical.

Liverpool by virtue of Klopp's UCL run decided to reinvest money in strengthening the team. That is what happened. Nothing like balancing books. In fact, City have made more revenue than Liverpool in the last 5 years consistently and are even more valued than United today.

You think Barcelona haven't paid up for Coutinho and on the other hand believe Liverpool have paid up in cash for VVD, keita, fabinho... You can see the bias in your statement.
If you know how transfer system works, then you should know monies are paid in installments. For instance Cardiff will in 3 installments for the dead Argentine player. That's how it works alright?

TheGoodJoe:


And then spend humongous again. The cycle continues. Then Sell Van Dijk later probably to Real Madrid and the cycle continues. How will the small clubs ever get to compete with them when they already have a wide edge.

Remember when Liverpool were spending fortunes on Clyne, Lalana, Lovren, Charlie Adams and Co. When they were spending on Torres, Maxi Rodriguez and co.

They have the edge to keep making money because they were bank rolled earlier and they keep positioning themselves as lucrative clubs.

Abramovic came and broke the big club myth by spending and walking over the so called big club.

The so called big clubs got money earlier and started a cycle. Nothing different from what City is doing.

You're scraping the barrel by mentioning these players, some of whom were bought for £10m.
I never said clubs shouldn't buy. No club in the world can be sustainable without buying not even Mfm.
What I'm against is cheating the system to get ahead of competition. It's an unfair practice and Man City should be reprimanded. Altho, they have cleaned out their records with the Abu Dabi dollar rain.

TheGoodJoe:


I wish the big clubs were decent enough to limit their spending and not try to stay on top with unlimited spending, then cry foul when another club sources for fund to battle them.

Funny enough these clubs are running within the ambit of the financial fair play rules while some other clubs pulled a fast one by getting their sponsorship inflated by Abu Dabi.

Eruditor:


Another huge lie. Zidane's transfer to RM was already inflated. Pogba's to United the same. This narrative about City ruining the market is such a daft lie. City have even shown themselves to be a club who will resist wanton inflation. They missed out on Jorginho for the same reason.

Infalted. Do you know the definition of inflation? Zidane was the world best player and a world cup winner. His transfer to Madrid broke the world record but the market wasn't inflated.
Ask yourself how long it took before his transfer record was broken before you talk about inflation.
Talking about Jorginho, are you saying his decision to move to Chelsea had nothing to do with Sarri's influence? When Chelsea matched city's offer, there was no guesses where he's was going.

Eruditor:


This makes no sense. Every big club you know today first got bankrolled and then used their success to perpetuate themselves as big clubs. City did just that. This rose-colored analysis you are spewing is just anti-pep. Nothing more.

How someone will justify Klopp's spending and in another breath pan Pep's is legendary.

What are you talking about? I take it you don't know Liverpool are running an almost self sustaining buisness model.
Selling Coutinho for £130m went along way to balance their books. Add that to the champions league money they got last season. They made close to £60m from Uefa last year. Factor in the lottery they won with Solanke who cost them zero ££ and went for 18m.
Its a far cry from Man city who get monies pumped into the team with reckless abandon.

TheGoodJoe:


Madrid buying Kaka, Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale and a host of others is not buying success. Buying success is when Manchester City buys Aguero and Dzeko. Lol.

You can see the bias in your point?

The revenue they generate can get those players. Sugar daddies never backrolled those transfers. And the time these players where transferred, the transfer system never went haywire not until the Arabs bought Psg and Manchester city

TheGoodJoe:


We did not get him because the big dogs wanted him.

Do not say we broke the record. We did not break it. It Was Real Madrid that spent a fortune on Kaka.

That is the point. Everyone is okay with the big dogs getting the best players and winning the titles.

That is not buying the league. It is buying the league when a small club sources for fund and buys players which can give them a shot.

So you're saying Abu Dabi sponsorship of City was ethical?
If football operated a Fairplay system like the draft system used in NFL and NBA, you think guys like City will be in the picture?
You still haven't defined buying success.

TheGoodJoe:


Madrid buying Kaka, Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale and a host of others is not buying success. Buying success is when Manchester City buys Aguero and Dzeko. Lol.

You can see the bias in your point?

I wish city spent what they earned on these players instead of depending on a sugar daddy.

TheGoodJoe:


Story.

What blew the market were the big league clubs. When Real Madrid were blowing fortunes on the likes of Bale, Ronaldo, Kaka and Benzema. The market started going astronomical.

When teams like Inter Milan aligned an array of stars like Ronaldo, Zamorano, Baggio, Zanetti, Kanu, later Seedorf and a host of others.

Manchester City have not come close to that sort of purchases. That is stellar names.

Well, we are talking Guardiola here and have proven to you that his success is not open check book. That is a fact.

You mentioned Kaka, remember Man city was so desperate to get him that they broke the world record. If only the guy was materialistic, he would have practically be writing his own pay check every week.
That was the level Man city went in their quest to buy success.

TheGoodJoe:


When Manchester United were buying Rooney and Ferdinand for huge sums, they were not ruining the market. When Chelsea went on a buying spree, they were not ruining the market.

When Real were spending astronomical figures for Ronaldo, Zidane, Beckham, Figo etc, they were not ruining the market it is only when City buys.

You still don't get the point. Man Utd and Real Madrid are top drawers and giants with their revenue generation. You're talking about the world's most profitable clubs. They spent what they earn.
Man city on the other hand are bankrolled by a country. Different scenarios here.

Excuse my illustration but imagine a bank manager who earns #500k a month. He can afford to buy a #3m Acura Zdx. You don't compare him with the brother of a yahoo boy who spent same amount to get an Acura. One has the legitimacy to spend because he earned it while the other is basically stealing a living.
You get the drift?

TheGoodJoe:


I have already educated you, stop feigning ignorance.

Guardiola wanted Fred, Jorginho, Bonucci, Neves, Sanchez and could not because their valuation. So Guardiola never could spend on any player he wants. He has refined and developed young players to help his battle.

Let Pochettino break the kind of records Guardiola has broken in England. Luck played a big part in getting to the finals but the runs we did at City to get to where we are took hard work, dedication and brilliance.

Hand Pochetino £400m to buy a defence, then watch him break records. This is no rocket science.
Highlighting all the players Man city failed to buy is very deceptive way to win an argument. Na only them Waka come? You want Man city to bug every single player they went in for? Imagine the audacity