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The people are angry, Kier.

budaatum:
You've been called dishonest enough times already, so I am not surprised in the least that you'd project your opinion on to others.

He didn't, you are the one projecting your fetish on him. If you want slavery back just be one.

DeepSight:
Hahahahahahahahaha!
Shame!

You are ashamed!
You deny the mans exact words!

No, you are just a liar

DeepSight:
I honestly don't know how you reason. Analyzing a matter is a spectrum from cause to situation to correction. As I said with my analogy of the stages of a man's life. Here you are simply saying we should only analyse with the future in mind and throw away the past, the causes, and even the present reality. I am tired of your games.

You don't throw away the past because you learn from it.

If we'd learned anything from the past, it should be not to treat each other as second-class citizens and loot. Isn't that what we blamed our colonializers for, they looted our resources.

Please move on from your delusion.

DeepSight:
Don't you agree with Kirk that blacks were better off without equal rights again?

Grab the lie very hard, it is like oxygen to you.

budaatum:
Do I want slavery back, or is this just you being "maths is racist" as usual?

I am doing what you just did to raumdeuter.

budaatum:
I guess we should bring slavery back then. Though I doubt many would like to return to a period when the slaves wives and daughters were impregnated by masta for stock to be sold.

Why do you want slavery back?

DeepSight:
Progress is being made albeit slowly and painfully and in a scattered and disjointed manner. In some sectors there is stagnation and regression but overall the trajectory still is forward. There is a lot to be done and improved on, we need to get our ideology and politics right as a starter as so much depends on right leadership.

On a practical note, if anyone asks me, I will say the key to the future is aggressive industrialization.

On a dreamy and idealist note, I will like to see Africa unite. A United States of Africa was a dream of several independence pan-Africanists such as Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere, Robert Mugabe and Nnamdi Azikiwe and even became a dream of Ghadaffi.

If we are able to achieve it, and I concede it looks very unlikely - men, that is the single thing that will bring Africa to the table with real weight.

So we are back to what I have been saying?

This is basically a concession to my point.

After all the long talk about climate, colonialism, geography, and history, White man, your own solution is not changing or addressing any of that.

Your solution is about leadership, ideology, politics, industrialization, and African unity.

Hmmm, everyone's been trying to bang this points into your head.

Aggressive industrialization and unity are good points. So you proved my argument: Africa’s future depends mainly on what Africans choose to build now, maintain and how they think about the future, their brothers and their unborn children.

DeepSight:
And oh. Corruption remains a global phenomenon.

And oh. Sango awaits.

How does it explain Nigeria's situation?

DeepSight:
No one was ever making excuses. Explanations were being offered and you have conceded to them.

Good morning.

call it explanation if you like. But once it is used to shift blame away from present responsibility, it becomes an excuse.

All the people brushing you on this would not have gone back and forth with you if you were just giving explanation.

Good morning.
I woke up with not electricity today. We are still waiting for the stable electricity.

Take your business and move out of a democrat controlled state.

https://x.com/i/status/2057148900763385950

DeepSight:
ALL of those things which you dismissed previously are and remain factors. Simple. And you have now admitted that, so you have ceded the debate.

And I have had to say it ad infinitum ad nauseum that none of that takes away the responsibility of leaders or means there aren't failings we need to correct. That's standard and human.

Now answer me in the name of Sango and on pain of being blasted by a fire from all Native deities: do you use AI to compose arguments?

If none of those things removes the responsibility of our leaders, then you have conceded my main point. How about that?

My argument has always been that colonialism, history, climate, geography, and education cannot be used to excuse present-day corruption, bad governance, looting, tribalism, and failure after decades of self-rule. For simplicity, they are not a factor today. It only explain our starting point.

You can call them that all you want. But if they do not remove responsibility, then they are not an explanation for why Emefiele stole, or why basic infrastructure cannot be maintained 60 years after independence.

That is my point and consistently so.

A factor may exist in history, but responsibility belongs to the people making decisions today.

No matter how much you want to insist on climate and history, it does not excuse our situation today.

basilico:
The polls Trump sitting on negative approval are fake.
37-0 means his supporters are showing up in numbers everywhere .

Trump supporters are not the entire country. You have the independent voters, who are a huge voting bloc, and the Democrats. So you cannot use this to assess his approval ratings.

What we can say is that his infuence cannot be matched. Tucker, Candace and all those Social media influencers that are high of their own supply are irrelevant.

Some gullible coco bought this

Mamdani demonstrates how socialists balance budgets… mainly through lying and stealing. pic.twitter.com/ajMfsu1YrH

— Nick Freitas (@NickJFreitas) May 20, 2026

DeepSight:
Oh, I admit I missed that. I did not see the "not."

But none of you have any smarts at all oh. So forget mentioning those people in proof of anything to me. . .

The bigger point is this, overall you are being terribly dishonest and trying to change everything you have argued here.

You and those same laughable fellows have variously spent pages dismissing the relevance of history, colonialism, climate, geography and even education, only for you to now turn up and concede that all those things matter and sneakily try to make it appear as though you always said that they did but were merely saying we are also responsible.

That is false. You outrightly and strenuously threw away those factors and even mocked me for mentioning them. And if your argument was what you are now claiming, we would never have had an argument.

Or do you want to deny laughing off all the history I have pointed out? Do you want to deny laughing off the relevance of climate? Do you want to deny laughing off the impact of colonialism? And geography? Do you want to deny even trying to play down the relevance of education? Do you want to deny completely rejecting the role of racism?

So how come you suddenly now admit that all these factors matter?

So quit the dishonesty at once. You have ceded the debate. Simple.

From everything I have written, my point is the same.

Colonialism does not explain why Emefiele stole billions.

History does not explain why modern Tinubu cannot maintain infrastructure, provide electricity as he promised, secure lives, or stop looting public funds.

If you claim colonialism is still a factor today, then you must also admit it had some developmental effects too. roads, railways, schools, courts, civil service structures, common language, and modern administration.

Double edge sword?

So no, I am not changing my argument. Colonialism may be part of history, but it is not an excuse for present-day greed, corruption, bad governance, and failure.

This is my point.

Common sense. You can't throw money into a fire and expect it to put out the flames.

Jeff Bezos on NYC spending:

"If we ran Amazon the way New York City runs their school system, packages would take 6 weeks to arrive, we would charge you a $100 delivery fee and when the package did finally arrive, it would have the wrong item in it." pic.twitter.com/KzWrUBTcd5

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) May 20, 2026

She still has her voting rights

She just attempted to vote.
😱😁😉🤷🏻‍♀️😉😁😱
“Where exactly
is Jim Crow 2.0?” pic.twitter.com/qVFomJ3GXr

— 🇺🇸 𝓐𝓟𝓡𝓘𝓛 𝓢𝓟𝓐𝓡𝓚𝓢 🇺🇸 (@AprilSpark1890) May 20, 2026

raumdeuter:
Meanwhile the Democratic senate candidate in Maine was wishing for the capture and killing of American soldiers by the taliban

They hate America

BREAKING - A Newly uncovered post from Democrat Senate candidate for Maine Graham Platner shows him wishing for the capture and killing of a U.S. soldier by the Taliban.

“This video never gets old. Dumb Mfer didn’t deserve to live. Poor marksmanship on the Taliban’s part.” pic.twitter.com/jmSZnCWOIi

— Right Angle News Network (@Rightanglenews) May 20, 2026

Trump is nazi but they are spending millions on their nazi candidate

You guys should enjoy him

Blue Haired liberals in Washington DC are THANKING Trump.

This is Meridian Park, just North of the White House.

Beautiful. Clean. Safe.

Turns out people like living in a city that isn’t a drug-ridden, lawless war zone. pic.twitter.com/rcDJt7hgqF

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 20, 2026

So much common sense in one video

To all the Black athletes out there that go to school in the South, y’all better not listen to the NAACP and mess up your scholarships and your potential for generational wealth over some fake outrage 🤣🤣🤣

Let her cook! pic.twitter.com/OREGfa1qel

— Woodz 🇺🇸 (@Nibiru1000) May 20, 2026

raumdeuter:
Talarico is toast in Texas. I expect Paxton to hammer him

He would be exposed in the main election

He is saying that God is non binary
He hates steak in Texas
He wants the border to be an open porch
He believes there are 6 genders

He is Beto 2.0

Trump: 37 - 0 on his endorsement. That's crazy.

bayelsaowei:
He maybe repenting oo. .. let’s watch and see.

Right wing media has finished the brains of our black brothers.

I recently argued with a colleague of mine and I could tell they are all downloading a lot of rubbish from the same source into their brains.

It’s sickening.

Why do you believe your stance is correct?

When people distort what others say to make their argument seem reasonable, that's itself insanity.

Maybe your colleague isn't the brainwashed one. Have you thought about that?

DeepSight:
It is scientifically impossible for an adult human being never to have made a selfish decision in his life.
The rest - not interested. You lie too much and you are going back on things you already vociferously argued.

You are the one lying and mischaracterizing what I said.

Maybe either you don’t understand English, or you are deliberately rewriting my point so you can argue with something easier.

This is what I said:

bemeruca:
Am not claiming to be morally perfect. Nobody is.

The point is not that I personally have never made a selfish decision.

The point is that societies collapse when selfishness, greed, corruption, tribalism, and lack of accountability become normalized at leadership and cultural levels.

So why are you pretending I claimed an adult human being can live without ever making a selfish decision?

Why do you lie so much?
This is why Tctrills and TV01 are also tired of you.

DeepSight:
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This is scientifically impossible. It is also a signal of lack of intelligence that you can claim this.


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Name one thing you have criticized Trump over. A serious thing.
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Name one criticism you have ever levelled at any white communities/ societies.


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Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.

You cannot prove a negative. What are you on about. Goodlawd

You are doing too much emotiona rewriting here.

So what exactly is scientifically impossible?

That education can exist and people still choose corruption?
That educated people can still be greedy?
That educated people can still be tribalistic, racist, selfish, or dishonest?

That is not scientifically impossible. That is being human.

I do not worship Trump. I can criticize Trump on many things. I have criticized Trump. He was not even my choice for the 2024 presidency, it was DeSantis.

But this conversation is not about Trump. You keep dragging Trump in because you want to avoid the internal failures being discussed. Can you go a minute without deflecting to Trump?

What do you mean by white community, whatever your explanation of that is, I have multiple times. From LGBT, to Karens.

Ther is a difference between saying history matters and saying history removes responsibility.

There is a difference between saying colonialism had effects and saying African leaders, culture, corruption, tribalism, greed, and bad governance are not major reasons for failure today.

Your problem is not that I deny every factor you mention.

Your problem is that I refuse to let you use those factors as excuses to avoid the failures inside our own societies.

Am not claiming to be morally perfect. Nobody is.

The point is not that I personally have never made a selfish decision.

The point is that societies collapse when selfishness, greed, corruption, tribalism, and lack of accountability become normalized at leadership and cultural levels.

Supporting a politician or political party does not mean endorsing every bad thing done by that politician or party.

If Trump, Biden, Tinubu, Buhari, Obama, or anyone else acts corruptly, criticize it. I have no wahala with that.

But that still does not answer the point about African leadership, African institutions, black communities, corruption, bad choices, and destructive culture.

This is not moral grandstanding against Africans or AA.

It is criticism of destructive behavior and failed leadership wherever it exists.

If people can criticize white racism, Trump supporters, colonialism, slavery, capitalism, or British history, then they should also be able to criticize black communities, African leaders, tribalism, corruption, fatherlessness, crime, or bad culture without being accused of hatred.

My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

But internal choices also matter. Leadership matters. Culture matters. Accountability matters. Family structure matters. Greed and selfishness matter.

If we are serious people, we should be able to discuss all of it without running to or deflecting to you support Trump almost always like Deepsight, bayelsaowei and GracieX3.

cococandy:
You haven’t said a bad thing in this write up. I’ll give you that.


But it seems quite hypocritical given you’re rooting for the people who are making the terrible choices you speak of.

And you yourself can’t brag that you do the right thing when personal interest is at stake. That’s why it’s difficult to take the moral grandstanding you guys perform against African Americans seriously.

cococandy:
You haven’t said a bad thing in this write up. I’ll give you that.


But it seems quite hypocritical given you’re rooting for the people who are making the terrible choices you speak of.

And you yourself can’t brag that you do the right thing when personal interest is at stake. That’s why it’s difficult to take the moral grandstanding you guys perform against African Americans seriously.

I will respond with time later. I am a little busy now.

DeepSight:
Why do you say "education alone?" What is wrong with you? Why do you try to isolate each factor we point out? No matter what we say, you try to pretend we are saying that is the only cause. How many times do I have to shout that there are myriad interlocking factors?

If I talk about history, you will say its in the past. If I talk about climate you will say that is long story. If I talk about colonization you will say I am blaming whites. If I talk about time, you will say laziness. And yet you dare talk about greed, the same greed that is common to humanity and which right nw is on lavish open display with Trump without an iota of condemnation from you and tctrills and co.

No one ever isolated one factor alone and its madness to keep saying "its not this alone, its not that alone" when we all agree its many things.

My problem is with you is that you bring up history, climate, and colonialism mostly to explain failure away from internal responsibility.

But when I bring up greed, corruption, tribalism, poor leadership, disunity, and destructive culture, suddenly you say, greed is common to humanity. Of course greed is common to humanity.

That is exactly why strong institutions, accountability, values, and leadership matter.

Saying greed is common does not answer why some societies control it better than others, while others allow it to destroy public institutions.

And this your Trump deflection don tire person. If Trump is corrupt, condemn him. I that's your shtick, condemning corruption anywhere no problem.

But Trump does not explain Emefiele. Trump does not explain African leaders stealing the oil money.

Trump does not explain tribal voting. Trump does not explain why Nigeria with massive resources still cannot provide basic electricity, roads, security, or clean governance.

So yes, there are many factors. But you cannot list external factors forever and then become offended when internal failures are added to the list. Even your external factors are outdated. Colonialism helped us in many ways.

My argument is not education alone does not fix everything because I think you named only one factor.

My argument is that education, history, colonialism, and climate still do not remove responsibility from people, leaders, cultures, and institutions today.

Why can't you understand this basic thing?

GracieX3:
Very relevant to your inferiority complex and worship of the West.

Even as bad as Nigeria is, I would never look down on my fellow blacks just to worship whites in the west

I don't know what you Re talking about.

GracieX3:
The USA was formed in 1776. Black people got rights in 1964/1968.
It took USA over 180 years to get sense.

You expect Nigeria to do miracles in 60 years

Irrelevant to what we are talking.

GracieX3:
You said Emefiele is greedy in order to bash blacks.

I pointed out thatt Trump is greedy....even greedier.

You ate now silenced to 3 words only. Just admit your cult worship and hypocrisy towards Trump

No, I am not bashing blacks.
I am talking about 60 years of failure to develop after independence you are deflecting to Trump.

RodgersAkpafu:
So education also cannot fix white racism, bigotry, fooolishnesss and white hate ?

Because why are supposed "educated" people on the Trump and the Reform UK bandwagon?

Education is not morality.