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finally, another saint in the making. i am deeply touched and moved

@ image 123

you are speaking from the level of knowledge to which you are privy for now. Just like your name is image 123, does not mean you can not have image 12345 and so on.

You can only grasp what your state of consciousness can allow you to grasp at a point in time until your consciousness expands further.
Just maintain your stand like i said before and allow others to learn from whatever channel they can.
No religion has a monopoly of truth. all are just presenting parts of it according to their level of consciousness. If you are then ready to accept a part as a whole then it is very fine with me. Stay with it and let others be.

A Seed for Contemplation

Those with pure love do all they can
to let their mates grow in every way.
Detached love means to let others
exist without forcing our will upon
them. That is spiritual love.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

are you really sure you have tried everything?
why don't you look in at my thread on "Practical Spiritual". https://www.nairaland.com/1206262/practical-spirituality.

you can try different variations of spiritual exercises there and see the one that works for you.
spirituality is attained by diligent practice of spiritual exercises which opens you up to the inflow of the Holy Spirit which takes you to the next step.

you do not need to curse anybody or ask God to punish anybody. God has already put in place laws that take care of every thing. the law of Karma ensues that whatever a man soweth that he shall reap. rather you should have compassion on those who are flaunting the divine laws and concentrate on yourself, instead of cursing the darkness why not light a candle.

A Seed for Contemplation

Becoming a conscious vehicle for God requires that you become the very best you can possibly be, no matter what you choose to do.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ Image123

shocked subtle, the way you put Jesus and Jehovah in front before delving into the 'main' thing. There's only one way to God, it's Jesus, you guessed right. Away with experiences that cannot save you from sin, guilt and satan the enemy.

if that makes you happy, very fine with me. this thread was opened as a spiritual laboratory for all souls despite their religious believes or inclination. it is not a place for arguments to prove who is right or who is wrong or who is superior to the others. there are more than enough threads opened for that.

looking back over my journey in search of spiritual freedom i know that i have benefited from all the paths and religions i was privileged to study and i know within their core lies powerful practices that can help soul achieve spiritual liberation and if people focus more on the spiritual aspects of their religion and forget about the social aspects and the ego that comes with it, there will be a tremendous change in the way people see others and their religion.

the spiritual masters are not quarreling amongst themselves, they are quietly going about their duties for God helping souls who are ready to experience the God head just as they themselves did. it is only the followers with poor understanding of what spirituality is really all about that go about raising dust, making noise and some even killing others in the name of God.

learn how to go to the temple within with the spiritual exercises. meet your spiritual master in the inner planes where truth is plainly revealed and find out from the source what is the truth and how you can be a better channel for love in this life. then share your experience with others as a means of encouraging others.

Using Light for Healing

In your spiritual exercises there are two things you can use for healing. One is the orange light, and the other is the blue light. You may wish to experiment with them. Some people are successful in this kind of healing, and others are better off seeing a doctor. It depends on you.

The orange light is mostly for the physical body. Go into contemplation in your usual way, whether you sit up or lie down. Using the imaginative power, which is the God force or the seeing power of Soul, shut your eyes and visualize the Audible Life Stream. This is the pure white Light of God, a composite of all the colors.

Now visualize a ray coming off of It. It's very much like using a prism to see the spectrum of colors.

The ray you see is orange, which applies to physical health. With your eyes closed, visualize this orange stream coming through you. Just let it flow to the area in your body that is diseased, afflicted, or injured. You can do this for twenty minutes.

This is a healing technique. But you do it only for yourself; don't go out and blast orange light at other people.

The blue light is another way of healing, but it is for the inner bodies—the Astral, Causal, Mental, and Etheric. These are the bodies of the psychic worlds below the Soul Plane.

Here again, you use a technique similar to that of the orange light. And I'll repeat this: Do it only for yourself, never for another person.

Close your eyes, and visualize the blue light coming into the heart center. This light is known as the Blue Light of the Mahanta. The Mahanta Consciousness is the highest state of consciousness known to man. The blue light is for the calming and healing of the inner man—your emotions and your mind. Along with this technique, get plenty of physical rest.

The blue light is not something that is created out of the ethers from some source alien to yourself. It comes from your own God Worlds, and you are now becoming aware of it.

Let this healing Light of God come in and work on the area you feel needs help. Or just let It flow into the Spiritual Eye. As It washes and cleanses the impurities, It will start to uplift you from the materialism and karma that you have created for yourself through ignorance of God's laws.

A true spiritual healing first heals the spiritual condition that caused the symptoms to appear in the physical body. You have to understand that when you use the orange light, it may not bring a miraculous healing, such as the reshaping of limbs, or anything like this. But it may lead you to a better doctor.

—Sri Harold Klemp
The Spiritual Exercises of ECK

@ NoProphecy

#1. Schizophonic hallucinations: Confirmation bias.
#2. Confirmation bias.
#3. Schizophonic hallucinations.
#4. Regression to the mean, misdiagnosis, delayed response to treatment, remission, hypochondria.

When it can be proven that the events you describe happen anywhere outside of the head of the claimant, it will be possible to tell the crazy from the miraculous.

wonderful answers

that is exactly the reason why i do not waste my time with you guys. enjoy your non-believe in God and leave us theists alone with our believes and so-called hallucinations. two parallel lines can not meet.
have a nice day and a wonderful life.

A Seed for Contemplation

The miracles that happened in the early Christian Church still happen today. To see and benefit from them, all we need to do is open our consciousness through spiritual exercises.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

I will stop believing in the existence of God and the supernatural if the physical scientists are able to explain the following things to me.

1. How was i able to have past life recalls in which i remembered my past life and my relationship with my present relatives in the past which included knowing things about them which they have never told anyone.
2. How am i able to see things that will happen to me in the future and it happens the way i saw it.
3. How am i able to travel into the spiritual planes and met with those i know who have translated.
4. how was it possible to healed of an ailment that defied all medical and non medical treatment.

Let me stop here for now. I still have other questions though

A Seed for Contemplation

As you grow in spirituality, your
whole life must improve.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

The Holy Spirit often works through
professional medical people to help
us out when we’re in trouble. After
all, all healing comes from Divine
Spirit, no matter what It chooses as
Its instrument.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

We are personally responsible for our
own state of consciousness. As Soul
unfolds toward total freedom, It
understands total responsibility must
be accepted for every thought and
action.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ Obi 901

Thanks a lot for your input. i really appreciate. i am very fine and i hope that you are very fine too.

@ mkmyers45
Obi 901 is right.all the answers to any question you may ever ask already lies within you. that is why in ECK we emphasize on people learning how to go within to find the answers for themselves i.e being a spiritual scientist. like i said before once the current Living ECK Master finishes his tenure,God chooses his successor and the person that is chosen is the individual with the highest amount of love for all life at that point in time.

A Seed for Contemplation

Most of our problems are self-made. When things go wrong, if we take responsibility and do something that gives us greater understanding, life becomes easier.

This is how it should be, rather than having someone always giving us spiritual, emotional, or physical healings.

The idea is not to hide from life: It is to live life, but without making the same mistakes we did before.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

The point of any religion should be this: how to open your heart to love.

—Harold Klemp
Love- The Keystone of Life

A Seed for Contemplation

When you ask God, "Please show me truth," and you haven’t used your talents today, you can’t expect to find the greater talents, the greater truth, tomorrow.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

Seminar Dreams

Sometimes you will find yourself working on the inner planes in settings very much as we find at an Eckankar seminar. Maybe you are acting as an usher, working in the higher worlds.

You are carrying out some act of service to the ECK out of love. You act out of love for that Sound and Light of God which has filled you.

To attend an Eckankar seminar inwardly, do this: Before sleep go into contemplation and visualize whatever you can about the seminar, using the description you've read in the preregistration brochure. Put yourself on the inner planes and say, "I am seeing myself with my friends at the ECK seminar. I'm seeing myself in the audience listening to the Master."

If you wish to consciously serve in this way, give yourself a silent command before sleep. Then let the matter rest in the hands of Divine Spirit.

—Sri Harold Klemp
The Spiritual Exercises of ECK

@ Boss13

Excellent memory Ben. I enjoy the way you explain things especially the karma stuff. I honestly want to free myself and connect with God more. I just feel this spiritual separation (not in the Christian way) but this spiritual void. Ben I want to feel God, I want to hear God and if possible see God. What must I do?

the starting point always remains the spiritual exercises. that is why i started the thread on practical spirituality. the most basic spiritual exercise that one can try for effective spiritual growth is the singing of the Holy Names of God as a love song. the most powerful name of God which we sing is the HU. which is also sung as a love song for 15- 20 minutes in the morning and in the night before you sleep. if you visit the Eckankar website, www.eckankar.org, you can download the HU song and hear how it is sung. you can also sing other Holy names of God and spiritually charged words that are comfortable to you and after singing it, go into a quiet contemplation and ask God to show you the truth about life, then remain silent and listen while keeping your attention on the space between your 2 eyebrows which is the location of your spiritual eyes.

you can also download introductory ECK books that can give a head start.
ECKANKAR is a practical spiritual path where you experience God for yourself and not through someone else's experience. the choice is always up to you to take the step now or wait for another lifetime.

I have not been able to visit the Eck center at Lagos Island due to busy schedule. Do they open on Saturdays. Ben my question above is sincere and I would appreciate a sincere and practical answer. Thanks again.

most ECK Centers to the best of my knowledge do not open on Saturdays because ECKANKAR Seminars are usually held on Saturdays. but we also have ECK Worship services that run from 9am to 10am on Sundays.

concerning your question, the answer i gave you is exactly what it is. if you are more interested in material well being then you are not ready for God. your quest for God must be for God and God alone. all those other things that is more of primary concern to you are mere shadows and belong to the passing show on earth. what matters is you knowing who and what you are and your relationship to God and why you are on earth in the first place. once you do that, every other thing in your life falls into the right order.

@ mkmyers45

Dont you think the constant reference to Mahanta is quite disturbing?

i also found it disturbing in the beginning and even refused to have any thing to do with the Mahanta as i was more comfortable with the Holy Spirit, the ECK.
it took a while and through both inner and outer experiences that i started understanding what the Mahanta is and the Help that he is always ready to render to help us grow spiritually.

The ECK, the Holy Spirit is pure light and sound which of course can be seen with the spiritual eyes and ears. soul easily understands when the ECK speaks but the mind does not know the language of Spirit. in order for more understanding of the spiritual truth to come about, the truth needed to be stepped down to a level you can easily relate to. so the light and sound merges and takes a form, the purest state of consciousness in form. this is the Mahanta state.

to further bring it to a level you can more easily relate to, this consciousness then polarizes on an individual who has been able to develop love for all life. this person now becomes the Mahanta, The Living ECK Master. when you meet this form in the inner, you can recognize him and he can break down spiritual truth to you in a way your mind can easily comprehend. that is why the emphasis on the Mahanta. The Mahanta's help is always there for those who want it, there is no compulsion. he is like the teacher you have in school who helps you to understand the course you are studying and of course you can always decide not to consult the teacher and do it on your own which may at the end be more difficult and take more time.

How is the Mahanta selected since he represents pure innermost consciousness?

the person that is selected is the Living ECK Master who then wears the Mahanta consciousness. the Mahanta is a state of consciousness which any soul can strive for. God, the Sugmad, chooses the individual who is worthy to wear that state of consciousness and his goal is primarily to return all ready souls back to God.

@ mkmyers45

How does forgiveness and reincarnation go together?

first of all karma which is the law of cause and effect is what brings about reincarnation. when people sow seeds in a present life time and they were not able to reap all of it in that life time, they are compelled to reincarnate and pay off the accumulated debts in another lifetime.

God created these lower worlds as schools for souls and also made laws that run these schools. the most basic law being the law of Karma. the law takes effect on every soul in order for the soul to learn its lessons.

forgiveness frees one from karmic circles that is between him and other souls. for example if someone cheats you and runs away with your money. life will put him in a situation where you will have an opportunity to pay him back either in this lifetime or in another lifetime. it is now left for you to choose the course of action you will take. if you decide to retaliate and cheat him back then you form a vicious karmic circle with him because the wheels will reverse again and put him in a position to take advantage of you again.

some karmic vicious circles can run for hundreds of lifetimes with reversal of roles e.g is what is happening between the Arabs and Jews. that is the trap that 'an eye for an eye' puts a soul into and such a soul can never have spiritual freedom

but if instead of retaliating you decided to forgive the person, the effect is that you have freed yourself from the karmic circle with that person and gone another step towards spiritual freedom. of course the person will still reap his just rewards but from another angle. an example of this again is when Jesus on the cross told God to forgive his persecutors because they do not know what they were doing. in doing that he freed himself from any karmic circle with the Jewish race.
so forgiveness is a wonderful virtue for one to have because it will go a long way in making your journey back to God much easier.

A Seed for Contemplation

As Soul, you are like a balloon that rises above the ground. The higher you go, the farther you can see. And the farther you can see, the better you can plan your life.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

@ Boss13

benodic: A Seed for Contemplation

The spiritual path is not about power. It's about love.

—Harold Klemp
Truth Has no Secrets

what of riches and wealth?

you have asked this question before. the answer remains the same.
seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else shall be added unto you

A Seed for Contemplation

One of the biggest lessons we can learn in life is to do everything possible to reach an accord with the individual we are having trouble with.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

The spiritual path is not about power. It's about love.

—Harold Klemp
Truth Has no Secrets

A Seed for Contemplation

No matter how much insight we gain about God, there will always be something that lies beyond the horizon of our understanding. That is simply the nature of truth.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

keep unfolding and opening yourself more as a clear vehicle for God, and as you do, your values will change.

—Harold Klemp
Love-The Keystone of Life

being an ECKIST i am also caught in that cross-fire of severe disapprovals mostly from my friends who are Christians as they usually classify us as cultists.

my friends who are moslems generally see me as a christian until they ask me my denomination then they become surprised that another religion relatively unknown to them is present in Nigeria. generally i have stopped all forms of religious arguments with people as i focus more on living the life of a ready channel for the Holy Spirit simply expressing the love that has filled my being to all life and all persons irrespective of their beliefs or non-belief. there is nobody that does not appreciate love and that to me is what matters in life.

A Seed for Contemplation

You are living the spiritual life when
you conduct yourself and your
business in the name of Divine Spirit.
You touch many Souls during the
course of the business day. Although
you may never say one word openly
to your customers, Divine Spirit
touches all whom you meet, in some
manner or another.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

i love what i am seeing in this thread. Christians finally trying to redefine themselves and what they truly stand for. i still long for the day that will come when Christians will truly live Christ-like lives instead of wasting their time preaching what they do not practice.