ifex370:
Let's preach the message of Grace and salvation to all men.. Christ is Lord.. Christ has justified us through His death before God..

God no longer holds our sin's against us ROM 4:8...

You are free from the power of sin and death.. If you continue to look unto Jesus.. He will give you the power to live in righteousness and reign in life.. Not by our own effort's.. Through the holy spirit.. And being transformed to His likeness will bring forth is glory to all men


That is the Gospel.. That is the Good news.. Hallelujah

If Jesus died to save us from sin, and we are free from sin, why is there still sin? And why do "people still go to hell"?

KingEbukasBlog:


You just listed possible expenses that we Christians abnegate , yet they are costlier than 36 million naira ?

Possible expenses you reject? WTF?? oh I forgot to add 10% of your weekly income, so if you are making 100million weekly, 10million belongs to "god", and someone is telling me it's free?

As Lenny has said, NO COSTLIER GIFT THAN FREEDOM...

I can give you half of my riches just to be a Freeman, than being your slave and still paying you my 10%,if I slap u eh, your head go factory reset..

felixomor:


I am trying to remember the last time u made sense.
U didnt even merit a mention.

Honestly

LMAO

Pidgin2:


Unlike the Toyota Tacoma you don't have to pay anything for your salvation, the price has already been paid by Jesus Christ on the cross now all you have to do is BELIEVE, you have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain because it is absolutely FREE. Your analogy is baseless

Matthew 19:21 : "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Matthew 19:24: "
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 14: 26-27 : “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower."



All these are costs to pay if you want to be a good Christian, and you'll say no to drinking, smoking, premarital sex, homosexuality, pornography, barbing hairstyles, dressing like the opposite sex, just don't satisfy your body!!

And you tell me it's free? It is even costlier than the 36million naira above.. And oh, this god doesn't exist..

Felixomor, I laugh you you could only come out and bark when you saw your auntie abi? Lol

KingEbukasBlog:


There is proof that the universe was caused to exist and it means it has a creator (God) . What religion tries to do is to define the nature of God - Christianity says its 3 consubstantial hypostases , others say its just One being .

There is proof? Can I see?

"IT MEANS" so can you all for once just accept that you believe in "a god" and stop telling us you know "god"?

Maybe you didn't read this thread.. https://www.nairaland.com/3557109/discuss-why-dont-know-god

KingEbukaNaija:


Physical laws can't create anything , the universe can't come from nothing ,the universe creating itself is a logical absurdity , infinite regress of causes is a logical impossibility . I can go and on and on .

So how is your post above PROOF that one god created the universe? I said PROOF, not suggestions

KingEbukaNaija:
Let's for a moment thank nothingness for having no powers , no properties , no compositions yet the universe in its grandeur pulled out from it just like that .

Let's for a moment thank nothingness for having no powers , no properties , no compositions yet GOD in his grandeur pulled out from it just like that .

Logic

KingEbukaNaija:


I think this should help

Angry at "god"? Lol, is that what you think?

To your 2nd pic, the only irrationality I see there is believing, and then thinking you KNOW that one god created the universe.. .

What proof do you have that one god created the universe?

KingEbukaNaija:


Spot on indeed !

What's this one saying? How does being intelligent got to do with your belief?

oteneaaron:



The transcript from........-dark matter's- vlog on Youtube.

Nice peice.....but you should have given credit to where you got the Content from......

Yeah

I saw adverts about this Toyota Tacoma they were selling, they advertised it's many awesome features, so I made up my mind to go and get this wonderful car.

I reached the place, went in and saw the seller, and the following conversation ensued.

Me: hello, I am here for the Toyota Tacoma.

Seller: hey there, yes welcome, you must have heard a lot about this car.

Me: of course, and I'm interested, so can I see the car?

Seller: not so fast, but here is a document containing every history of this car...

Me: a document? OK, let me see.

*Sat down and read it all..*

Me: wow, such a great car I must say, so can I now see it?

Seller: calm down, you'll have to pay 36million naira for it before you see it

Me: how am I supposed to pay for something I've never seen? How sure am I that I'll even like it after seeing it?

Seller: but there is the document where every details about the car is written..

Me: why can't you just show me the car? How am I even to know that this said car exists?

Seller: are you trying to say the Toyota Tacoma doesn't exist? A car I drive daily? OK if this car doesn't exist? How did I get to this office?

Me: well you could have used a taxi, a bike?

Seller: what are you insinuating? That I came here with a taxi? Is that even possible? The color of the car is even red,why can't you just believe? Pay first and get the car.

*Another seller walks in*

Seller2: what's going on here?

Seller: he came for the Toyota Tacoma and he doesn't believe it exists, that he wants to see it first.

Me: of course I want to see it, is it so hard to show me proof of the car's existence?

Seller: but I've shown you the documented evidence?

Me: so I should take your word for the existence of something you drive everyday? Why can't you just show me the Damn car!

Seller2: Can you prove the car doesn't exist?

Me: but the burden of proof isn't on me, am not making any claims here..

Seller2: of course the car exists, I drive this car daily, it is blue in color...

Seller: no it's Red and I drive it daily..

Me: woah.. Different description of a car you all claim to see daily?

*another seller walks in*

Seller3: why the noise? What's going on here?

Seller2 and seller: look at this young man, he doesn't believe the Toyota Tacoma exists?

Seller3: whaaat? How can anyone rational not believe in the Toyota Tacoma? I just finished driving the car just now, it's an awesome green car..

Seller: no it's red.

Seller2: it's blue..

Me: woah, right, can I just see the car?.

Seller3: sorry, you don't get to see the car unless you've paid..

Me: if you all have different descriptions of this car, how am I supposed to believe it exists?

Seller2: just because we have different descriptions, does that mean the car doesn't exist?

Me: well then you can just show me the car..

Seller: you are to pay first..


Me: OK, have a nice day with your red, green and blue Toyota Tacoma, am leaving..

Seller: once you leave here, the offer is off the table, and you'll be beaten for eternity for not buying this wonderful awesome car..

Me: WTF?? It's now compulsory for me to buy this car?

Seller: it's not compulsory! It's a choice, you have to choose, buy it or suffer, just choose!!!

Me: OK if I pay for this car, will I get it now?

Seller2: no, not now, just have faith, the car will be shipped to you.

Me: when?

Seller3: when the time comes..

Me: to hell with you and your car, am out!!

*went out and met an evangelist *

Evangelist: there is a special mansion being built for you in Heaven, repent now and inherit your mansion.

Me: well can I see it first?

Evangelist: no, you just have to believe, here is a holy book that contains all about this heaven and God, you will see heaven when you die..

Me: WTF??

Evangelist: and if you don't believe in God or this heaven, when you die you'll burn for eternity..

Me: FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK YOUUU!

Cc: Darkmatter2525

hahn, jonbellion, 4kings, hopefulLandlord, felixomor, KingEbukasBlog..

felixomor:


U dont even know where faith without works is written let alone knowing the meaning.

Mscheww.

"faith without work is dead ", the book of James, I've forgotten the specific chapter...

Read up mark 11, am sure you'll say Jesus' word is metaphorical

DoctorAlien:
Rapists can produce a similar excuse to justify their acts.


Another unintelligent "analogy".

Lol

That's just the problem with most theists, when given possible comparisons, they see the analogy/comparison as " dumb " not knowing that the goal of the person who gave you this analogy, was to show you how dumb you sound, yes, the analogy would sound dumb to you but not the statement you made!

felixomor:


On the issue of medications, I keep saying it
You people always look like fools when talking because u dont sit down to read the bible.
Have u read the part that says "faith without works is dead"?
Definitely not.
Medication does not guarantee, ask any medic.
Medication itself continues to kill millions.


And i wonder the type and age of a person who would ask questions, answer it and make conclusions on behalf of the person he is discussing with.

Faith without work.. I thought faith could move mountains? Lol.. There is no faith in medications!

Lol.. Keep wondering, if I asked you a yes/no question, shouldn't I be expecting either of the two possible answers?

felixomor:


God has healed so many people of cancer after they were given 2 weeks to live.
It has happened countless times.
And even if, Jesus didnt give us power to take lives.

Continue killing, u hear

Lol, so if someone on MEDICATION survives cancer it is god? What about those that die? So God do not find them worthy enough?..

Jesus didn't give you power to take lives? So you are saying that the lives of the animals or insects you've killed weren't "lives"? Or maybe you're talking about human life, so let's say you have a loaded shotgun at home, you use for hunting, so one day you and your family were home and then some group of people were coming to kill your whole family with just matchets, and you have a shotgun, so you are saying you won't use it?

If you would use it, then you are a hypocrite who tweaks the Bible to suit himself, and if you won't, you are a bloody coward who is responsible for the death of your family..

So what will it be?

dalaman:


That's why I said you guys should just play his own games. If he asks you if rape is weong justbshownhim where his bible doesn't frown on rape as an answer. He's not a serious person.

Lol.. You know their style na, they'll ignore the verse because "it's the old testament", and they themselves believe their god is unchangeable

DoctorAlien:
Lame. Lions don't kill antelopes to protect anybody, neither do antelopes terrorize lions. So, no reason for the lion to kill the antelopes.

Lol, you are f-ucking hilarious doc
I didnt say lions kill antelopes to protect themselves, that was just a similar scenario.. And incase you don't know, lions kill antelopes for food, that's the reason

Good. The ones you hold as truth, who declared them truths, since a human being or groups of human beings can't determine what is to be held as truth?

Bitter Leaves are green, just because another person comes up with "bitter leaves are red", does that make bitter leaves red?

DoctorAlien:


1. That rape denies the basic right of an individual is your opinion. Other people don't agree.

2. An act is not immoral because it encroaches on a person's individual rights. Otherwise, policemen have no right to detain people(limit their freedom of movement).

3. Is the lion that kills an antelope not violating the antelope's rights? Are lions punished?

Jonbellion, did you read the bolded?

Please doctor, can you define "opinion"?

It's just like me giving a terrorist a clear headshot with my sniper rifle, blowing his brains out.. And then I tell you all" he is dead", someone then says "it is my opinion", that in his own opinion the terrorist is not dead.. . WTF

felixomor:


If only u could know that u r d one contradicting yourself.
If i scratch myself to kill you?
U clearly dont know what that means?
Ur body ends where the baby's own begins.
So keep quiet.

Hehehehe,
And as for ur last paragraph, i will call people to come and see another potential killer on the loose....
It is sadistic
But i am not surprised...
How could I?

LMAO

On abortion, that should be a different topic completely, are you going to nurture and take care of the child after it is born? If no, then what is your business with what she chose to do with her fetus?

Potential killer? Sadistic?.. Lol, I'm not surprised though, you guys don't usually comprehend things easily..

So you have a daughter suffering from cancer, and it has been declared that there is no possible way she could be cured... You watch her go through unmeasurable pains, she then begs you "daddy, please take me out of my misery", won't you find an easy way to make her free? Or you prefer to watch her slowly die in pain?

peacesamuel94:





But I thought life was meaningless to you guys.

Thank GOD you "thought". .

We all got one shot at this life, and we try our best to make good out of it, that's why you don't see us bothering about things that'll happen to us after we die.. We live for now!

DoctorAlien:


Also, when lions kill antelopes, they cause harm to the antelopes. Why are you not punishing lions for killing antelopes?

Same reason you are not punishing soldiers for killing terrorists to protect you!!

What a group of individuals think doesn't change the truth, it's our natural instincts to detect that yes, causing harm to others is wrong, that's why a lioness won't let you anywhere near her Cubs...

peacesamuel94:




How does harming someone matter to an atheist?

Lol.. It matters a lot! We've all got one shot at life, and harming somebody against his will is wrong!!

felixomor:


Doez abortion cause harm?
Is abortion wrong?
Besides u r still begging the question,
Who gave u d power to define wrong over me?

Lol.. When people fail to be educated, questions like this pop up.. That's how one pastor was like "swallowing sperm is cannibalism"...

It's a woman's body, she can do whatever she likes with her body.. A breathing baby and a fetus are not the same, same way a sperm is not a baby!

Remember, suicide causes harm, but to the individual who chose it! As far as you are not harming OTHER people against their own volition! When someone begs me to kill him, and I do, that is no crime, cuz he was fully aware and chose it!!

DoctorAlien:


Who declared rape absolutely bad?

We, humans! Because it causes HARM! You may say some people don't agree that rape is bad, but I already explained what WRONGS are... Anything that causes harm, and wasn't done in protection!

DoctorAlien:
Is rape absolutely bad?

Cc: benzics

YES!!

You cannot justify rape!

DoctorAlien:
This is the fourth page already and no "atheist" has been able to tell us why something like rape is bad, or why laws of logic exist, and are abstract and absolute.

Wrong as you say is a matter of opinion, smoking might be wrong to some and to some it's totally okay..

A lion killing a zebra for food is wrong because it causes harm to the coexistence of those zebras, yes to the zebras it is wrong, but a lion has got to survive...

What we all agree to as "wrong" are things that affect the people around you, the law might view suicide as bad, but to the person committing it, it's his life, as far as he ain't killing someone, he's free to do whatever he likes to himself..

Anything that will not promote peaceful coexistence is wrong! Because a particular party would be feeling the effects, this party didn't choose what's happening to him/her so it's wrong..

But apart from that, every other thing you do that do not affect others, you are totally free, you can have sex with animals (as far as you ain't forcing them), sleep with your siblings (as far as they agree), sleep with your mum/dad(as far as they are totally in agreement), smoke, drink, dress anyhow, as far as these things are not causing harm to anybody, they are not wrong, and someone's opinion of these being wrong will not make them really wrong..

How's rape? rape affects people(victims) .. it's wrong!

If you think a god made you see things as wrong and as good, then you ain't ok.. Even before religion and gods were created, humans had do's and don'ts, so don't tell us shit about a god creating morals cuz we ourselves created that god,and even wrote his supposed laws..

Someone telling you to not impose your views on him, is imposing nothing on you, he's not going to threaten to kill you or threaten you with eternal torment, he's just asking you to "mind yourself", even though to some level, it'll seem as if he's giving you his own moral code, but you started it, and he's just telling you to keep them to yourself..

Oh we don't know how this happened... So therefore it's God!!

Oops, you have just exposed all atheists it's true we secretely believe in God, but we hate to admit it outside, we secretely pray, we are just finding excuses to sin...

Shiiiiiiiit... HopefulLandlord, randomperson, hahn, we've been exposed, Damn!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbfFAYn8bgc

Only if you know how you sound..

Anas09:

I see you.
When men hate God its because they want to go the other way. If you want the other way, just go and leave us alone.

All these people attacking Yahweh here and there, wants satan. Just have satan already and just be quiet about it.

If Satan's worshippers can just worship their Satan and keep away from Christians, i won't really have a problem, but you worship what you have chosen, but wont let me worship my Heavenly Father. Why nah?

4kings, from this day henceforth, choose to stop attacking Christians. Just keep on this your part. So help you Satan. Amen.

for real? Was this thread talking about "gods"?

4kings:
@ Sarassin and LoJ
Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be "seeing things" or under "delusion"..
I don't mean to attack your beliefs, I just want to know how you distinguish "Reality, Delusion and Spiritual matters" in a general sense.

My thoughts though.. It could most likely be deja vu, thinking you already saw this happen..

But I don't know though, it's their experiences not mine, I do get deja vu's too

But is it a coincidence that things like this always happen to people who believe in them??

I've known DoctorAlien to be a maker of dumb statements, but I just read something dumber.. Jesus fu-cking Christ!

So the people god commanded the Israelites to kill were sinners? I thought god was omnipotent.. Couldn't he just change their mindset?

So God tested job? I thought god was omniscient, so he knew that job would still obey him but he went ahead to test him anyway? Oh.. I remember, God doesn't know everything, same way he, an omniscient and omnipresent didn't know Adam and eve ate the apple, until he was told..

I've got a question for you, I know you'll probably not answer.

So God sees all the wickedness in the world, he sees when 2year Olds are being raped by 30years old, he sees starving children, but won't help? Why?
Options:
1. He can help but decides not to help as it'll fiddle with his "plan" (which means the raping of kids is part of that plan), that means god is not good.

2. He wants to help but can't, which means he is not all powerful.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

Which of the above is it?

Ex-atheists as you claim were most likely people who were skeptical about religion and not that they necessary disbelieved in God..

Niyonice:
How can I move installed app from phone to memory card on my Tecno boom j8

It's not possible on the boom j8

Richirich713:
The pic refers to ontological argument for God, only theists use it not deists.

Noted