niyihawking:
udonminit

you mean you saw the FSM??

you need to see a psychiatrist.

Bros, these people are mad and they don't know it that he saw FSM, CHAI!!

Image123:


If it followed the premise, it shouldn't have lost/twisted the facts. Anybody can twist things to arrive at a position.

which facts? Can you look up the definition of "fact" please, mere assertions are never facts.. BELIEFS ARE NOT FACTS

Image123:


You can now see that the video is flawed. The video shows us that there is God and that He dies.

The video follows the premise in which deists and Theists determine god exists, "everything must have a creator", showing how stupid that premise is.. .

Lennycool:

No be small.
He always seems to also advertise TB Joshua whenever possible.
Hell who knows, it might actually be TB Joshua himself on nairaland

Lol, it's highly possible o, always talking of SCOAN, even in matters that doesn't concern any church..

JackBizzle:



Are you related to the retar.... called sciencewatch? You guys post the same crappy links about atheism

That sciencewatch is worse o, maybe the guy has some kind of brain tumor, oh religion is actually the tumor.. When ever I see his name, I just scroll past his post..

UyiIredia:


You are being foolish as usual. That picture only describes the beliefs of some theists and deists. It certainly is not descriptive of all of them.

Lol..

Why is this one pained?

Wilgrea7:


if that was a question to sound smarter, then it failed.. the design of the computer is enough proof that it was created.. computers have production dates.. most are listed in the boxes... computers are so designed in a way that it would be plain stupidity to say that a computer has no creator

BAM!! What I wanted to hear, you just proved a computer creator exists because the computer has info about his creator, it is designed in such a way that you'll know that it was created... What info do the universe or humans have of God , how would you possibly know the universe is in such a way that it must be created? Nothing!

these are not just mere assertions.. they were gotten through logic.. mr D.eepsight gave you the logical breakdown.. and you said there were just beliefs.. but you're asking for scientific proof.. and i asked.. which method of science should we use to give you the desired or required proof?. there is no said machine that can capture the supernatural.. you asked for proof of God.. you expect a live picture of a sky daddy.. which is impossible cuz “God" is not a sky daddy... it is not a God that is just somewhere.. it is everywhere... the kind of proof you require is the type that will let you see air.. I'm not sure even science has discovered such a machine

They are assertions for the umpteenth time!!

Do we seriously need to start writing "just because something is logical do not mean it's a fact" before having a discussion with theists or deists?

"Steve Jobs was the ceo of Apple, Apple is a Mobile or software company, it is logical that bill gates was a software engineer or a programmer, so therefore bill gates is a programmer, yes it is a fact because it's logical"

That's what we get when you tell us "logic proves god As a fact", and what pisses me off more is when you go to the extent of explaining the god nature as a fact!!

Can you please for once stop telling us "God is eternal, god wasn't created, god is this, god is that", logic can not tell you all this, so they are nothing but assertions!

It is okay to say a computer has a creator, and even take it as a fact.. But going to the extent of telling us the creator of this computer is a white male, and still telling us that it's a fact, you really need to get your head checked!

@picture what describes you deists and Theists

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Is there God? Does God die? Do dead atheists and flying mosquitoes disturb God with shallow-thought fallacies? Are you God?

Blah blah blah

Is there God? - NONE that we know of..

Does God die - how the hell are we supposed to know when there is no God we know?

.... .

Are you God - everyone is a god!

Wilgrea7:


i really find it funny when you guys use logic to disprove the existence of God but then reject logic when it proves the existence of God..

beliefs are not facts.. but when a belief is verified... its a fact.. i once asked you... since you don't want us to use logic to prove that God is self existent.. then please show us the way to use... what machine can be used to verify such

Can you point out any verifiable belief?

Wilgrea7:


and i ask again... what way or method or experiment do you want us to use to verify these beliefs... atheists tried to use logic to disprove the existence of God.. but when logic is not in their favour, they reject it.. i still ask again.. what machine or experiment can be used to ascertain or disprove the claims of God?? you keep yelling at us to prove it... but you failed to tell us how... so i ask again.... how??

How do you prove a computer has a creator?

Simple as that, we won't take your words for "facts"!

You claim you want to prove to us that God exists, how did you yourself come to the conclusion that the existence of God is a fact if not through assertions? So we should all take your assertions for facts?

Pfft

dalaman:


And your evidence that Yahweh designed and created the universe alone is what?

Lol, do you seriously expect him to answer that? If you want to make a theist shut his trap, just ask for evidence, and BAM!! They are no where to be found..

KingEbukasBlog:


Oh no ! As far as you have knowledge of this God , you are a theist . To be lucid : you are an implicit theist . You don't need to consciously and explicitly accept Its existence . Having a knowledge or idea of deities is enough to make you a theist .

HopefulLandlord, hahn

Is this guy trying to redefine theism like he equally tried to redefine atheism?

Ebuka, nawa for you o...

the·ism
ˈTHēˌizəm/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

Theism is far from being the knowledge of Gods.. Because belief ! = knowledge

Unless you are saying knowledge of the god idea, and that is not what theism entails!

KingEbukasBlog:


In the same vein I can call you a theist because you have knowledge of God ,therefore lacking belief in the non existence of God .

A theist believes there is a God who made and governs all creation.

So you can't call me a theist because I don't believe in God!

ibtz:


But then ur proof dat God exists, is it logical or fact

Am not making any claims, did you hear me say "god exists"?

DeepSight:


No my friend, even if you came across the simplest possible imitation of a computer on a barren planet like Mars, you would still logically infer that it had a designer. You would have no choice.

But you see a super computer of unimaginable capacity and you conclude that it had no creator.

What you have actually concluded is that a thing that could make computers, needed no creator itself. Funnily enough this shows you up as contradictory for God is also referred to as a thing that created us which needed no creator. Unfortunately though, we can reference your birth as the beginning of your earthly life: you cannot do same for the permanent element that is called God.

The human brain bespeaks not just design, but intricate design and purpose.
Denying that is simply living in a f.ool's paradise sorry.

Wow, what if there is God, and this god also had a God?

If you claim god cannot have a God, then it's simple, humans can also not have a God, yeah humans had beginnings, what if there is a god and he had a beginning?

We reject all you say about god, because we know they are simply not true, we don't even know if there is a god..

I LOVE the simple statement of the scientists' motto: "Never take anyone's word for it."

If at all you make your statements on the stance that they are mere beliefs, we would even consider them for what they are, beliefs! But if you go about saying they are facts, then you really need to shut it!

KingEbukasBlog:


Shallow thinking as usual .

Atheism is the rejection of the existence of Gods - its basically saying there are no Gods .

You only reject a claim when it has been made .

That's why it is called A - theism .

Theism precedes atheism .

And look it up it has a history , 2,500 years ago .

People who have no knowledge of Gods are not atheists , maybe this is where you got confused .

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.


lack
lak/
noun
1.
the state of being without or not having enough of something.

They were WITHOUT knowledge of God, so they LACKED belief, those who are WITH knowledge of gods, DISBELIEVE in them..

DeepSight:


Its really odd that you would not deny that a computer requires a creator, but you insist that the human brain - a zillion times the super-computer that any man made computer can ever be: requires none.

Its really funny how you can smugly claim to be rational while making such irrational claims.

But enjoy yourself. On the inexorable day when you step out of your body at death, you will know much better.

How can you even compare the creator of a computer to something we know nothing about?

We know a computer has a creator because we've seen this computer being created, and we've seen the creator of the said computer, that doesn't mean we should go about assuming EVERYTHING were created...

DeepSight:


I have said that God is eternal and was not created. I have never said that that is true because of your existence or the existence of the universe. God being self-existent would exist even if the universe didnt exist.

What does it mean for something to be self existent? It means that it exists by default: it could not but exist - existing is its core nature: it needs no creator. Infinite Time is an example and so is infinite space.

God is that necessary primordial self existent factor on which all reality rests.

Understand:

1. Something exists.

2. Something cannot come from nothing.

3. As such, the somethings that exist came from something already existing.

4. Since things exist, then there was always a something because if there was nothing, there would always have remained nothing and never any something.

5. Thus, something eternal and permanent exists.

6. Anything which is eternal and permanent is self-existent.

7. Self existent things are not mutable by reason of their self-existent and permanent nature.

8. Matter is mutable and changeable and therefore not self existent.

9. Ergo, matter is not that which is the permanent self-existent something.

10. Ergo, that which precedes all things is a permanent, self-existent, non material essence.

11. This is what is referred to as God.

No cop out, no paradox, simple and clear philosophical logic.

Nice logic though, but that's all it is, LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS, not facts

KingEbukasBlog:


So you mean you are certain there is no God ? And that the universe has no creator or never co-existed with its creator ?

I know of no God!! And I am certain that all religious gods do not exist, one thing WE(ALL HUMANS) don't know for SURE is if an intelligent designer exists, you might go about saying God is eternal as if it's a fact, that's your own belief and it cannot be a fact!!

KingEbukasBlog:


Those are called religious concepts of God .

You talk like atheism isn't a man made idea ? You can discover the history of atheism - the denial of gods was started 2, 500 years ago by rebels and hedonists .

*facepalm *

benzics:

Lol, so uptil date you don't know what atheism is? For your info, atheism has no known history, I keep seeing you saying "Diagoras was the first atheist", I just don't think you know what atheism is..

Atheism is as old as man, before religion, everyone were atheists! If you don't know this, I think you should learn..

Foundation of atheism sounds to me like "foundation of lesbianism", before the word "lesbian" was invented, there were already lesbians, some animals even practice it, so going by your logic, lesbianism started the day the word was invented?

DeepSight:


I don't know where I have ever said that the red infers the blue.
That inference must exist only in your misguided imagination.

Lol, right, then on what basis do you come to the conclusion that God is eternal, god wasn't created.. Because I've seen you make that inference a lot, as if it's a fact

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So what am i supposed to comment oh. Does darkmatter believe God exists or what? Such flawed thinking all through.

How is the thinking flawed? That video is 100% right, we humans created the yahweh, allah, Krishna and all other religious gods you worship.. So how the hell is the video flawed?

ibtz:
Atheists often cite science ti make their argument against d existence of God. But the existence of God is manifest in human beings themselves. By using science, we all know what gravity is. D blood in ur body, is prone to gravity essentially meaning all volumes of blood will rest at the feet thereby not flowing, but there is an organ, the heart that keeps blood circulation. Now look at dis, hw did d heart com into existence if not by being created, it wasn't accidentally created by scientific theory of big bang!! But it was created knowingly to solve d problem of gravity in d human body.

Lets look at our sustenance
Our food grows out of the earth, is dat accidental too?

Or the atmosphere as a shade from d radiation of the sun flares which has destroyed many planetary bodies

Or is it by looking at our arms and legs dat allow for movement and lifting things on earth.

I can go on and on. Trust me i wud not finish in a day to show d signs of d existence of God.

Lol, so the universe is proof for Allah? A Christian also believes it is proof for yahweh, same to other religions.. Theistic view of God is flawed, that we know for sure doesn't exist!

DeepSight:


How is what verifiable or falsifiable? I am pointing you to the very things that verify God and you ask for verifiability and falsifiability? That is ridiculous. Study the evidence I have provided.

I say it again. Evidence for God:

1. You

2. The observable Universe about you.

After you have studied these two things, revert to me.

Lol, so because you think our existence is evidence for god, then god is "eternal, timeless".. This is nothing but a mere assumption .. .

DeepSight:


Exactly, and you are free to observe your own existence and the universe about you which all empirically and ineluctably evince the existence of a Mind or Minds far above our reality.

How is this verifiable? Or even falsifiable?

Dz one no get sense na, he should learn from TB Joshua.

First: deceive them with staged miracles and show them you can pray too...

Then start chopping their money

Deceiving delusional peeps is very easy, you just need to know how to..

DeepSight:


Whoever said God "came from" anywhere? ? ?

God did not "come from" anywhere.

God is rather self existent.

This is what self-existence means:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Self-existence

Is it just me or do others get pissed reading things like this?

Who told you god is self-existent? Your "logic"? So how does this become a fact?

Am quite OK with you saying things like this, but speaking of them as if they are facts? Shiiiiiiiit...

“Hawaii is moving toward Japan,” “Jesus rose from the dead,” “The solar system formed 4.6 billion years ago,” “Mohammed flew on the back of a flying horse.”, "intelligent design". These are all truth claims and while none of them can be absolutely certain they differ in their credibility.

Empirical knowledge is obtained through observation and is fundamentally verifiable and falsifiable!!

BELIEFS ARE NOT FACTS

felixomor:


Now that u have learnt the age of the universe, please dont get over excited...

Science does not know the ACTUAL age of the universe, but it's estimated to be between 12 and 14 billion years, we don't know for sure!

See how you just said the universe is 13.7bn years as if it's a fact, same way you go around talking about "god" as if it's a fact..

hopefulLandlord:


lol, seems everyone has the same opinion about him

Lol, you guys are wicked o, wetn felixomor do una na??

This is why religion and over spirituality is bad.

First of all, your girl is under no oath, blood oaths are just mere superstitions, they have zero effects on people.

Don't overthink something that is not true, don't let anyone poison your mind with unreal things, I know the religious will start telling you "pray this, pray that", but don't mind them, your girl is totally fine..

I don't have much to say, but you've got to throw over spirituality in the trash, go ahead with your marriage because there is no such thing as "spiritual blood ties" , don't let anyone instill fear in you..

KingEbukasBlog:


for thinking that God superintended the process of biological development.

Yeah right, for "thinking".. keep thinking, but one thing you should know is that your thoughts are just thoughts, not facts!

KingEbukasBlog:


I think we should create a thread addressing the idiocy of the ancient atheists . Fusillades against the foundation of atheism will certainly expose the foolishness of today's atheists.

Lol, so uptil date you don't know what atheism is? For your info, atheism has no known history, I keep seeing you saying "Diagoras was the first atheist", I just don't think you know what atheism is..

Atheism is as old as man, before religion, everyone were atheists! If you don't know this, I think you should learn..

Foundation of atheism sounds to me like "foundation of lesbianism", before the word "lesbian" was invented, there were already lesbians, some animals even practice it, so going by your logic, lesbianism started the day the word was invented?