HCpaul:


You and I know that you are thinking on the fence.

Can you also instruct your God to vacate from the province of man's imagination and fictional formation?? At least, he ain't real but only exist in the realm of your ideology.
Even Jesus supported me when he said that the kingdom of god is within you (meaning that mans idea is God's habitable place).

If God created all those things, what about man that created the so called god??

God is like a father to you but in reality, he is my own friend 'imaginary one though'.

Man created the microphones that those silly pastors are using to continually scam you.

You should have ignored him though..

Could it be there is a god? - yes
I believe there is a god - cool
I know there is a god - you don't!

You don't know of any god! Yes you don't, I hate long posts though, so I'll try to be brief..

Saying you BELIEVE and you KNOW are two different things, I've been trying so hard to explain this to most Deists and Theists but it seems they don't get it...

be·lief
bəˈlēf/
noun
1.
an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
"his belief in the value of hard work"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
"a belief in democratic politics"
synonyms: faith, trust, reliance, confidence, credence

knowl·edge
ˈnäləj/
noun
1.
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
"a thirst for knowledge"
synonyms: understanding, comprehension, grasp, command, mastery; More
2.
awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
"the program had been developed without his knowledge"
synonyms: awareness, consciousness, realization, cognition, apprehension, perception,



Deists and Theists claim it's logical for the universe to have a creator, so therefore, there is a god!. .. How the hell are facts founded, built and even finalized on "logic" alone?

Saying there is a god because it's logical is exactly same as saying the flying spaghetti monster is real because our earth and even testicles and eggs look like meat balls these are only assumptions, not fact...

Don't I think there might be a god?
By "god" I assume you mean "creator of the universe", yes, it's highly possible that there is a god, but one thing we know for sure, is that there is no heaven, no hell and no yahweh /allah or whatever.. That is a fact! Yes, fact!

And if it's possible that there is a designer of the universe, it's also possible that there is a designer of the designer of the universe, and yes, infinite regress.. That is the only "logical" conclusion..

I see deism as something far better than theism, but lately, it's like Deists ain't different from theists, or is it just the ones I see? Deism is supposed to be a BELIEF in a greater being (god), but recently it's like Deists are redefining deism, same way some theists are trying so hard to redefine atheism..

I was shocked when a Deist was telling me about god, really shocked, how could one be confident in explaining something he knows NOTHING about.. he even went as far as telling me HE KNOWS there is a god, not BELIEVE o, but he KNOWS..

That's the only thing that makes me wonder, are you guys okay? Ask theists who god is, and they'll tell you alot, they'll even tell you what he likes and dislikes, like what level of ignorance is that??

No one, I repeat, no one! Knows or can even define "god"

When I see people saying, "god has always existed", "he is outside time "," he created the universe " .. I just have these questions.

What proof do you have that God is a he?

What proof do you have that the universe was created by one god? (note am not making any claims)

Who told you god always existed?

Who told you god is outside time?
And so on...

To show how men derive pleasure in ignorance, they even went as far as creating theology, "the study of the divine"... how do you study something you know nothing about?

So many people have assumed that atheism is" the only illogical " thing.. Where in fact, it's the opposite!

Stop making claims of God, you don't know god, but if you think you know god, then answer the questions above and maybe we'll have a discussion, if you have no answer to the above questions, just know, even if you won't accept it, YOU DON'T KNOW GOD.. Just because I don't understand something doesn't mean I'll buy into the idea that a "god" did it... What I don't understand, I don't understand and I'll only try to understand!!

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Pic : according to theists and Deists

Muafrika2:



That thread was too complex for an atheist mind. They had to reverse it

LMAO seeing how atheists were present and dealing with you guys... just look at how all theists are dodging this thread like
"it is not me that these atheists would finish "


Lol, hopefulLandlord, you said it sha, not even one of them has commented anything meaningful... Theists doing what they do best

hahn:
kingebukasblog is probably still dancing at a chosen crusade

Lol

Question one :

Define good and evil, and we can pick up from where you stopped..

hopefulLandlord:
Space booked

You are also welcome to ask questions too

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Lol counter thread.. .

"I've taken time to understand how grossly illogical theism is : the study of the history of theism , theist arguments , the perception of theists concerning nature etc have led me to this conclusion .

But can theists change my perception ?


So Nairaland theists , can you prove that theism is not illogical ?

Please note that Dodging of questions and red herrings are strictly prohibited

RtysreB:
Dear Member,
As a brief reminder, this is what Psalm 14:1-3 says: The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” You mentioned you were a catholic, do you know that the Catholic church reads a different book besides the Bible - may be your priest missed out that pharase because all catholics follow readings approved by the Pope.

The catholic reads the Bible though(the Missal, a combination of Bible texts) , don't be stupid! That's all you religious people know, how to fight each other..

Pidgin2:
Sadly hades will be full at this rate, just what satan wants

Lol, what makes you think that we are scared of burning for eternity in a "lake of fire"?? Mtcheew... How someone even believes in an after life hades bothers me...

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winner01:
Tell that to those who threathen kids with hell.
Im a christ follower, christ taught that.

OH, so those who threaten us with hell are not Christians?

Meme : did you read the op? And I already said, once religion is divided from state, in fact we stop seeing anything related to religion, that's when atheist activists will cease to exist!

winner01:
As far as we know through science, Time and space began with the universe.
It means there was/is a dimension of timelessness and no space.

We christians refer to timelessness as eternity, no beginning no end.

If our God was in existence before the universe, then he exists in timeless eternity, i.e no beginning no end.
Creation can only be acheived within time.
I know its difficult to wrap the issue of time having a beginning around your head, but thanks to science.

A big IF... MEANS...

All you have of your god are only speculations and not fact.. that's why we don't believe in Gods

winner01:
No, we can all let logic and reason prevail first before trying to dig further.

When I see Nonsense memes like this, I just facepalm.. You think it's illogical for an atheist to believe the earth has no creator, but it's not illogical to believe your god has no creator? Double standards!!

winner01:
You see the bolded, it was invented by atheists.

Without man, there will be No religion.
Most importantly, without God, there will be no man.

Your meme: a lie does not simply become true because it is believed by many, and the truth doesn't become a lie because it is believed by few..

Just because many share in a delusion, doesn't make the delusion any less a lie!

If you think it is OK to tell kids they'll burn for eternity for just eating mummy's meat, you need to start thinking!

winner01:
"Gays are filth, Kill them", really?
From a christ-wannabe
Its unfortunate this is your justification for obsession.

What life would you have lived if God decides to use your children as a powerful tool to spread the loving Gospel of Jesus to the ends of the earth Dont forget that you cant hold them down in delusion for long. Infact this type of delusion contradicts itself.

Lol.. The quoted statements are usually made by Christians..

If my child decides to be religious, of course he is free to, as long as he is old enough, I won't sit back and watch my little child indoctrinated by these theists! I won't... You can easily scare kids with the idea of hell, so I don't think my child as an adult after learning and seeing life for what it truly is, will then be subdued by the idea of an eternal damnation, cuz that's what religion thrives with, fear, without fear, there will be no religion!

Alexbrain:

Really? So u don't believe in anything not even science?

*facepalm * is science a belief?

winner01:

Jehova witnesses, muslims and others knock on my door, i also get disturbances from blasting speakers. Ive been called infected, "hateful sons of b-itches" just as you and some unintelligent bubs hatefully do here daily. I do not see these people as infected, neither do i hate against them. Hell, i even have an atheist uncle.
The African system has a list of problems, and these problems do not even include religion.


Well, I dont expect you to mind your buisness, i expect you not to be a waste to the world. You have a lot of potential, dont let hate eat that up.
If someone who wants to be like Christ (Christ-ian) spread hate messages, he can be judged from the life of Christ. Its unfortunate we cant say the same for y'all.

We have some of your peace loving hate-filled self acclaimed intelligent people even caught on camera... Its so obvious where hate will lead you.

Your dreams will die within you, i just hope your children do not get affected by this madness of yours.

And who told you we hate anyone? We hate the ideology and not the people! "gays are filth, kill them".. How many times have you heard atheists calling for theists to be killed?

And mind you, we atheists have lives offline, a great life for that matter, how many atheists do you see offline criticizing religion? We don't just sit and criticize religion, religion always throws the first blow and we respond, and then you tag us as "religion attackers"??

If religious people would just mind themselves, allow homosexuals, allow people who practice incest, in fact, just STOP telling people how they should live and fucking don't preach their evil doctrines, stop telling kids they'll burn! Just fucking mind their biz... There you go... No more activists!!

But if religious people think they can always find their ways into our commercials, schools, homes, lives.. They should be ready to have a discussion!

My children? Lol, they'll all grow learning how life is, I'll teach them about religion and tell them how some certain sects believe a loving father will burn them forever for disobeying him, I'll teach them religion for what it really is, a comedy! And we'll all have a good laugh, and anyone who abuses my kid with eternal damnation from a mad fairy tale character will be in for it!

winner01:

I successfully disproved the existence of santa claus to my 8-year old nephew, two years ago.
I dont remember being angry or calling santa claus names, I also dont remember mocking my nephew out of his belief in santa claus, I dont remember talking about santa claus everyday of my life.

Right, how many times have Santa Claus believers condemned you to hell? How many times have they told you how you should live your life? How many times have they knocked at your door

You expect us to face a hateful ideology that is like a virus, with meekness?

take a look at these hateful speeches by LOVING Christians



And you expect us to face religion with peace, or " mind our business"?

I dream of a future without these hateful sons of b-itches!

KingEbukasBlog:
Religious skepticism is not atheism or agnosticism . Because as a Christian I can be skeptical about the Islamic or Hindu belief or any other religious belief . The Muslim can be skeptical about the Christian belief or any other religious belief .

In Deism , religious skepticism is inherent . Religious skepticism is part of what makes Deism as a theological/philosophical position what it is i.e religious skepticism is an integral part of Deism .

The constructional elements of deist thought include:
1.God exists and created the universe.
2.God gave humans the ability to reason.

And the critical elements of deist thought :

1.Rejection of religions that are based on books that claim to contain the revealed word of God.
2.Rejection of religious dogma and demagogy.
3.Skepticism of reports of miracles, prophecies and religious "mysteries".

But in atheism , religious skepticism is not inherent . It is not part of atheism or agnosticism .

As an atheist you can be in religions like Buddhism , Confucianism , Jainism , Raelism since these religions do not entertain the existence of God(s) .

Like Steve Jobs was an atheist but he is religious as a Buddhist . Sir Tim Berners-Lee is an atheist but he is religious - he is a member of the Universal Universalism group.

So again , religious skepticism isn't atheism or agnosticism .

That means if you skeptical about religious beliefs , you are not actually questioning the existence of God because God is beyond the purview of religion

I think this is clear enough.

Cool..

Made this post cuz I've seen you saying "nairaland atheists are not real atheists", that they are religious skeptics...

Seems this is clear enough

jchioma:
From ur definition aboove, OP, i think i may a religious skeptic. I believe that there must be a god, but that because of man's finiteness, he is viewed from the prism of our limitation. He is more than the definition given in the bible or koran. He is in everything and over all.

You are a Deist

Atheists have no commandments.. atheism is no religion or belief... As an atheist, you simply do what you like!

Yes.. Why?

You don't believe in yahweh, then leave yahweh alone.. You don't believe in a.llah,then leave a.llah alone? Right?

How many times have yahweh believers left us alone? Why won't we bash you and your god when you never leave us alone?

I was arguing with a theist, he was like, "eternity in hell is a long time, bro repent, the devil is using you, you don't believe in God? Go and pray.. .".. We got arguing and he was then like, "you'll rot in hell" I then said something, then he told me.. "You don't believe in God? Allow the people who believe in him to continue believing, why is a non existent god bothering you? Leave us to our beliefs".. He clearly started it all and he was now asking me to leave him to his beliefs?

Why do we bash yahweh, not the spaghetti monster?

What do they forcefully teach our kids in school? Spaghetti monster?

What pollution houses are becoming more rampant than study places? Spaghetti church?

Who knocks on our doors? Spaghetti disciples?

What do they want us to forcefully believe? Spaghetti monster ?

What books do we see in hotel rooms? Spaghetti books?

What inscription do we see most? "In spaghetti we trust" ?

What is that nonsense noise we hear most? "repent or turn to pasta?"

What word do people use most? "spaghetti monster bless you?"

What are they abusing our little kids with? Spaghetti furnace?

I could go on and on.. .

Take a moment, go out and look at your environment, it's either you are hearing one mosque disturbing with "allahu akbar" or some church, dancing and singing, disturbing our peace. On Fridays, Muslims block public road just to pray, on a government road! Our walls have been littered with pamphlets or flyers of religious programmes..

Our leaders pray instead of work, when the country is in woes, leaders fast and ask for prayers instead of getting up their arses and work!

Ministers of education that should be discussing how science facilities would be set up in schools are rather discussing the religious subjects to be taught to innocent little kids..

Every weekend group of unfortunate beings come to disturb us in our houses all in the name of preaching..

You can count the number of schools but not the number of mosques and churches, they are currently occupying all the free land spaces available..

The government instead of building schools, are building churches and mosques.
It's like religion is forcefully being shoved down our throats.

Somebody was complaining how a church was disturbing his peace, and people came to tell him, "endure".

And you dare ask me why I criticize something I don't believe in?

I don't criticize god because he exists, I criticize him because you exist

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Hello...

One nairaland moniker have been consistent in making this embarrassing statement, yes, KingEbukasBlog, always trying to redefine atheism. Well, let me give you the REAL definition of atheism and religious skepticism.

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.


Religious Skepticism
Religious skepticism is a type of skepticism relating to religion. Religious skeptics question religious authority and are not necessarily anti-religious but are those skeptical of a specific or all religious beliefs and/or practices.

Contrary to Ebuka's definition, atheism is NOT the rejection of god(s)! Why? You cannot reject something that doesn't exist!

Let me give a real life scenario.

Ada sets me on a blind date with Nkiru, whom I've never met, and then she tells me how beautiful Nkiru is, and so many great attributes of Nk(Nkiru).. but then I demand that I see her(Nk) first, that am not even sure if there is an Nk, that until I see her, am not going on any blind date.. Ada then gets furious, and was like, "I rejected this beautiful girl"..

Is that rejection? How did I reject somebody I know nothing about? I just simply asked to see and believe, and then it is now termed " rejection "?

Religious skepticism is almost like deism, skeptics hate the concept of religion, they bash religion, they choose not to believe in religions but they may believe in God, atheists on the other hand do NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!

Get your facts right, atheism is not the rejection of god(s), it is not religious skepticism (yes atheists are skeptical about religion and also skeptical about god theory)..

felixomor:


Guy, instead of studying your books,
Keep dwelling on cartoons.

I am only advising u, because age seems to be on ur side.
Dont be offended.

Lol.. How has that got to do with the topic? Keep dodging questions.. I sight you

You've probably heard theists yapping about freewill, and you come to wonder, "what's their definition of freewill"?

Don't worry, this very short video covers that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJgLBoB_Pw

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sonmvayina:


i never said it is/was from God...i said they wrote it for their religion which is judaism..it is a jewish oracle for judaism..it is what they believe...

Then what was that comment for? That the Bible is like an oracle for god? And how'd you know god is not man?

sonmvayina:


because it is part of his heritage...i dont have to doubt him just as i wont argue with my friend Owen Obaseki about the Igue festival in benin ci.ty

ignorance is bliss.. Enjoy! Because he is a Jew? Some people though..

Happy new year guys..


Looking at the title, I don't know if it's just me, but it really sounds absurd and insane.. How do a grown up ask this kind of question?

WE EVOLVED FROM NO MONKEYS
WE SHARE A SIMILAR ANCESTOR!!

As someone would say, ignorance is more expensive than knowledge! You don't know how evolution works and you think you can trash evolution?

Please enough of those dumb questions, it's a new year, get some knowledge!

sonmvayina:


Ezra wrote the laws..that is from genrsis to kings. while the preist and prophets wrote the rest..some was gotten from the egyptians like the psalms and proverbs..

And you automatically knew that they were from a God?

sonmvayina:
God is not a MAN...i wonder how people know what it wants and hates..welll the ONLY way to communicate with God is through an oracle..That is what the bible is..an oracle for judaism..other people have theirs. you greeks have the sybil oracle and the egyptians had the metu neter....
whatever the diviner or babalawo says is the word of God and if we have noticed from our nollywood movies, they always answers in parables..it is this that the jews has developed into the stories we now have in the bible..
it will be difficult for us to understand it cos it does not tell our story..it will be. hard for me an ibo man to understand an ibibio parable...not to talk of the far away israel..
we should come back home and embrace our spirituality..there is nothing demonic about it..

Who wrote the Bible? And how'd you know it's spiritual? Amma mention you in a thread to see how your god was created

sonmvayina:
My land lord in london is jewish and any time he comes for his rent we normally had some chat and he does not cease to point out how foolish we blacks are, he told me the stories there are all allegorical with spiritual messages for their. knowledge...in other words the bible is a spiritual manual not a history textbook..

So you believe your landlord because he is