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[b]@tpia,

the discussion here is very peacefull,and if anybody is reffered to as whinning here,its you,infact you just came on board here defying every order or cortesy, and jump on making conclusive comments without aknowledging rules and regulations,insults people which is never a trait of christians,is so unfortunate.But the news i have for you is that people on this page are wiser than you,take your comments without seriousness and get focused on the subject matter.

JUST HEAR YOURSELF;(in blue)

As long as your church is not threatening you with hellfire for not giving tithe (or even if it is)- you are free to spend YOUR MONEY as you wish.

This constant whining is very annoying and aggravating and personally, if i were a pastor (THANK GOD I'M NOT), I would personally pray to God to shut the mouths of these irritants who are always going on and on about why people should not pay tithes.

If you chrsitians (so called) refuse to pay your tithe when it is needed (how may pastors have jets or are living large for goodness sake), then its my belief that God can use even a muslim, an atheist or any other stark unbeliever to provide funds for his work.

UNHOLY FUNDS FOR YOUR LAZINESS? EVEN FROM ANY SOURCE BECAUSE ITS FREE MONEY?, YOU ARE THE GREATEST JOKER ON NL.[/b]

[b]@garyarnold,

Those following this blog should notice that the tithers either can't or won't DEFINE Christian tithing. Of course if they do, it would have to be a definition made up by man.

Some want to say you tithe on "increase." Well, if that is true, if during the year your house increases in value, do you tithe on that increase? How about if your family increases in size? Suppose you add on a room to your house increasing it's size? How about the increase in value of stock owned?

If you are going to tithe on "increase" do you reduce the increase by any decreases during the year?

If you say Christians should tithe on their income, is it gross income, net income, or some other type of adjusted income?

OR, do you say it is up to each individual to decide how to tithe, in which case I can reach in my pocket, find ten pennies, and if I give one, I have given a tenth of what I had; therefore, I tithed?

God was clear in His tithing definition and instructions. Man is wishywashy in his defining of tithing. Pastors don't even agree. Some say gross income while others say net income. Some say you tithe on your tax refund while others say you have already tithed on it. Some include gifts and inheritances and some don't. Some are so deceiving they actually ask, "Do you want a gross blessing or a net blessing?"

IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION? If God wanted us to tithe today, don't you think He would have made the instructions clear? WHY all the confusion IF tithing is required, expected, or even recommended today?

THATS THE SUMMARY (in blue) ALSO YOU FORGOT TO ADD THEIR FREQUENT FRUSTRATING REMARKS IN QUOTES; ''you are getting confused'' ''please give rest to yourself. ''Our discussion on tithe has ended per my previous post to you''.

THEY REACT AFTER THEY HEAR YOU HITTING THE POINT AND EXPOSING THEM.EASY,EASY PLS. [/b]

@ newmi,

Do you know the
danger of trying to manipulate Gods people by a
lie. Will there be a heaven for such minister?

ARE YOU THREATENING?

Those who teach tithing
and practice tithing do it because they believe it
and are convinced of it

KINDLY EXPLAIN WHAT PRINCIPLE YOU BELIEVED ON TITHING, IS IT BASED ON BIBLE?

[b]@ joeagbaje,

BACK TO YOU,

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

The structure under the law was strictly for the Jews . The tithes we give today is not based on levitical order.

YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE SHOWS THAT YOU ADMITTED THAT 'TITHING' UNDER THE OLD LEVITICAL ORDER HAS CEASED TO OPERATE,, ITS CONFIRMED IN YOUR STATEMENT.

THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS PURELY FOR 'JEWS'ACCORDING TO YOU.

THESE ABOVE AKNOWLEDGEMENT WILL SERVE AS AN UNCHANGED REFFERENCE POINT IN FURTHER DEBATE ON TITHING ISSUES. AND CANNOT BE ALTERED OR REVERSED.

PLS I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS;BUT IF I MAY BE CORRECT,YOU CLAIMED THAT YOUR OWN FORM OF 'TITHING'(of which is yet to be defined) FOLLOWS THE ABRAHAMS PATTERN.

AND THAT THE EVENT INVOLVING ABRAHAM IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WAS 'A FUNCTION' OF 'IF GOD COULD AID HIM WINNING THE WAR AGAINST .HE THEN VOWED (A) TO GOD FIRST.(A1) KEEP THE VOW OUTSIDE THE KNOWLEDGE OF KING OF SODOM(B) KING OF SODDOM HEARD 'PART OF THE VOW' THAT CONCERNS HIM AFTER ABRAHAM HAD ALREADY WON THE WAR.AND IN FUFILEMENT OF PROMISE HE (ABRAHAM) HAD WITH GOD 'IF GOD' WHO AID HIM TO WIN,OF WHICH HE DID WON WITH GODS SOLID BACKING,AND AFTER WINNING,SINCE HE CANT SEE GOD PHYSICALLY, BUT FEEL INDEBTED TO FUFFILL HIS EARLIER PROMISE (A) ABOVE,THEN HE CHOOSE TO FUFFILL IT BY DIVIDING A TENTH PORTION OF SPOILS,AND NOT INCREASE.BECAUSE;(according to the standard that 'tithe laws are deemed fit to be applied,it must satisfy a basic requirement) AND THAT IS;

'TITHE' IS STRICTLY ON INCREASE,, IS A STATEMENT OF FACT.

THAT IS TO SAY THAT WHENEVER THERE IS NO INCREASE, THERE IS NO 'TITHE'. to butress my point, BECAUSE THERE IS NO 'INCREASE ON EVERY SABBATH YEAR'(7th)yr, TITHE IS NOT PAID , FOR THE WHOLE OF SABBATH YEAR.

1,HOW DO YOU RECOGNISE AN INCREASE ON WAR SPOILS WHEN THE TRUE OWNERS WHO HAVE THE HISTORY OR FULL INFORMATION OF WHEATHER THEIR STOCK INCREASES OR NOT OR DETERMINE THE PART THAT ACTUALLY INCREASED WITH YEARS HAVE EITHER FLED AWAY OR HAVE BEEN STRUCK DEAD IN WAR ?

2,HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT ABRAHAM HAVE SET A STANDARD TO FOLLOW, AND HOW DO CHRISTIANS FOLLOW IT.

3,IF A CHURCH DEEM IT FIT TO RECEIVE TITHES, NOT BASED ON LAW COVENANT DONE AWAY WITH,
IS IT FAIR TO ALSO HAVE WHAT IS CALLED 'VOW' GIVING, WHEN THE CONCEPT THE CHURCH CHOOSE TO FOLLOW COMES FROM 'THE ACT OF ABRAHAM,, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION (A) AND (A1) ABOVE.

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[b]@ Snowwy,

What do you mean by slander? when you can't sustain your claim?

1. You initially said tithe & tenth were not the same & i showed you Heb 7:2 & Heb 7:6.

AND I STILL MAINTAIN THAT A ''MERE VOW OF DIVIDING TENTH PART OF SPOILS'' AND ''TITHE LAW'' IN THE LAW COVENANT WITH LEVI, ARE NOT THE SAME.


Hebrews 7:2,6;

2 and Abraham gave him one tenth of all he had taken. (The first meaning of Melchizedek's name is
King of Righteousness; and because he was king of Salem, his name also means
King of Peace.)

6 Melchizedek was not descended from Levi, but he collected one tenth from Abraham and blessed him, the man who received God's promises.

YOU HAVE NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION,

YOUR ANSWER ABOVE HERE IN HEB 7:2,6. IS REFFERING TO SOMEONE (MELCHIZ) RECEIVING AND ABRAHAM GIVING A VOW OR THE FUFILEMENT OF PROMISE HE (ABRAHAM) HAD WITH GOD 'IF GOD' AID HIM TO WIN, AFRTER WINNING,SINCE HE CANT SEE GOD PHYSICALLY, BUT CHOOSE TO FUFFILL BY DIVIDING A TENTH PORTION OF SPOILS.THAT ACT WAS NOT 'TITHING' BECAUSE;

'TITHE' IS STRICTLY ON INCREASE, IS A STATEMENT OF FACT.

THAT IS TO SAY THAT WHENEVER THERE IS NO INCREASE, THERE IS NO 'TITHE'. to butress my point, BECAUSE THERE IS NO 'INCREASE ON EVERY SABBATH YEAR'(7th)yr, TITHE IS NOT PAID , FOR THE WHOLE OF SABBATH YEAR.
1 Sam 15;21 ''

The soldiers took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of what was devoted to God, in order to sacrifice them to the LORD your God at Gilgal.”

THE WORD IN BLUE ABOVE SHOWS THAT 'THE SPOILS' WERE DEVOTED TO GOD AS WAR SPOILS USED TO BE IN OLD ISREAL.

THEIR NOT FOLLOWING THE INNITIAL INSTRUCTION IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.

AGAIN,

GIVE THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.

YOUR REFUSAL WILL CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR CLEAR INTENTION ON TITHE MAYBE ITS GENUINE OR NOT,OR BASED ON FRAUD.







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[b]@ snowwy,

you make me laugh. It's a pity that despite spelling it out for you, you still say Abraham made a 'mere vow' regarding tithing. Since you still cannot see that Abraham tithed WITHOUT making prior a vow to tithe, then let's let it be. No need for argument.

STOP USING THE WORD THAT ABRAHAM TITHED, BECAUSE I REAPEAT THE WORD 'TITHE' IS STRICTLY ON INCREASE, IS A STATEMENT OF FACT.

THAT IS TO SAY THAT WHENEVER THERE IS NO INCREASE, THERE IS NO 'TITHE'. to butress my point, BECAUSE THERE IS NO 'INCREASE ON EVERY SABBATH YEAR'(7th)yr, TITHE IS NOT PAID , FOR THE WHOLE OF SABBATH YEAR.

CAN YOU COMPARE THAT TO YOUR OWN CONCEPT OF 'EVER CONTINUED PAYING OF TITHE' TO THIS THAT YOUR OWN TITHE DOES NOT FOLLOW ANY PATTERN?

WAR SPOILS BELONG TO GOD,BECAUSE HE GAVE THEM(ABRAHAM) THE VICTORY,AND LEFT TO ABRAHAM,HE IS NOTHING WITHOUT GODS BACKING,

IT IS CRIMINAL AND ABSURD AND AN INSULT OR DISRESPECT TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD TO ALLOT WAR SPOILS AS ABRAHAM'S PERSONAL BELONGINGS BECAUSE ABRAHAM BARGAINED WITH GOD HOW THE SPOILS WILL BE USED 'ONLY IF' GOD ASSIST HIM TO WIN .

SO,WHO OWN ABRAHAM, AND WHO OWN THE WAR SPOILS.?IS ABRAHAM INDEPENDENT OF GOD?

HOW DO YOU RECOGNISE AN INCREASE ON WAR SPOILS WHEN THE TRUE OWNER HAVE EITHER FLED AWAY OR HAVE BEEN STRUCK DEAD IN WAR ? THIS SHOWS THAT ABRAHAM DID NOT TITHE BUT FUFILLED A MERE VOW OF GIVING TENTH PORTION. HE DID NOT GIVE ON INCREASE AND STAND DISQUALIFIED TOTALLY TO BE REFFERED TO AS TITHE. SIMPLE.

AGAIN,

GIVE THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.

YOUR REFUSAL WILL CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR CLEAR INTENTION ON TITHE MAYBE ITS GENUINE OR NOT,OR BASED ON FRAUD.


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[b]@ Snnowwy,

FROM THIS STATEMENT,BY ABRAHAH IT SHOWS THAT THERE WAS 'A PROMISE' OR VOW EARLIER MADE TO GOD,OUTSIDE THE KNOWLEDGE OF SODOM KING,

AND SO IT IS NOT A MUTUAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN ABRAHAM AND SODOM KING,

BUT THE FUFILEMENT OF EARLY VOW MADE TO GOD.;GEN14:23;

“I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, the Possessor of heaven and earth, 23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’—


COMPARE KING SAUL'S BRINGING OF SPOILS, NOT FOR THEIR SELF BUT SPOILS BELONG TO GOD,BECAUSE HE GAVE THEM VICTORY;1 SAM 15:7-12. IT IS THE PRACTICE IN ISREAL THAT SPOILS BELONG TO GOD,

I maintain that the spoils were for Abraham. If not he would not have said also that the king should let the 'men that went with me take their portion'. The men were his servants and as part of the victors, rightly had a portion of the spoil, understand.

7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. 9 But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves[b] and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.

10 Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel: 11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.

12 Early in the morning Samuel got up and went to meet Saul, but he was told, “Saul has gone to Carmel. There he has set up a monument in his own honor and has turned and gone on down to Gilgal.”

13 When Samuel reached him, Saul said, “The LORD bless you! I have carried out the LORD’s instructions.”

14 But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of sheep in my ears? What is this lowing of cattle that I hear?”

15 Saul answered, “The soldiers brought them from the Amalekites; they spared the best of the sheep and cattle to sacrifice to the LORD your God, but we totally destroyed the rest.

”20 “But I did obey the LORD,” Saul said. “I went on the mission the LORD assigned me. I completely destroyed the Amalekites and brought back Agag their king. 21 The soldiers took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of what was devoted to God, in order to sacrifice them to the LORD your God at Gilgal.”

22 But Samuel replied:

“Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the LORD?

IN ORDER TO SUIT YOUR OWN CONCEPT,YOU GLARINGLY EXPRESS A TESTED CULTURE IN 'IDEALISM' AN ISOLATION,[/b]

@ snowwy,

are you running away?,

i knew that you cant sustain your point on tithing, or what constitute the Abraham's vow of tenth part.
if you are serious you should

GIVE THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.

YOUR REFUSAL WILL CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR CLEAR INTENTION ON TITHE MAYBE ITS GENUINE OR NOT,OR BASED ON FRAUD.

I THINK ITS VERY CLEAR THAT ABRAHAM'S TENTH PART TO MELCHIZEDECK WAS BASED ON THE VOW HE HAD WITH GOD EARLIER WHICH IS NOT EVEN OPEN TO ANY HUMAN ''THE FULL DETAILS'' ON HOW HE WILL USE THE SPOILS ' IF HE IS VICTORIOUS' AND HE DID,

HIS ACTION DID NOT FOLLOW ANY LAID DOWN PATTERN PRIOR THE LEVI PRIESTHOOD INNAUGURATION. AND SO CAN BE REFERED TO AS A MERE VOW OR TENTH PART.

GOOD NITE

DID YOU HAVE A SHARP EYE AT ALL? IF NOT DO YOU EVER SEE ANY OF MY STATEMENT REFERING TO ABRAHAM ACTION AS 'TITHE'? CHECK IT NOW AND SEE THAT I'VE BEEN ALWAYS CAREFULL IN SELECTING MY WORD.

AND AGAIN 'PUTTING A FALSE ACCUSATION TO ME THAT I REFFER TO ABRAHAM TO TITHE,INSTEAD OF MERE VOW OF TENTH PART ALSO SHOW GROSS DISRESPECT TO LAW,

I THINK YOU HAVE EQUATED YOURSELF WITH GOD THAT PEOPLE WORSHIP YOU, THEY DONT ASK YOU QUESTION, YOU CAPITALSED ON THEIR IGNORANCE WOW.

GIVE THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.

YOUR REFUSAL WILL CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR CLEAR INTENTION ON TITHE MAYBE ITS GENUINE OR NOT,OR BASED ON FRAUD.

STILL WAITING.

[b]@ Snowwy

WHEN YOU MAKE A VOW, IS IT TO THE AIR? ITS ALWAYS DONE TO GOD,

THE FACT THAT YOU ADMITTED THAT ABRAHAM VOWED,BUT DELIBERATELY DELETE OR REFUSE TO MENTION WHO THE 'VOW' IS DIRECTED WHICH IS GLARINGLY WRITTEN AND YOU READ, SHOWS THE DEGREE OF LAWLESSNESS TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL

CONSIDER THIS, AND TO WHO IS THE VOW MADE TO?”JUDGES 11:29-40

30And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,
31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
32So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands.
34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.


WHO RECEIVES THESE VOWS ? MEN OR GOD?

i repeat again,


GIVE THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.

YOUR REFUSAL WILL CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR CLEAR INTENTION ON TITHE MAYBE ITS GENUINE OR NOT,OR BASED ON FRAUD.
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@ snowwy
TO WHO DID ABRAHAM DIRECTED THE VOW TO?

“I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, the Possessor of heaven and earth, 23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’—

CAN YOU UNTIE YOURSELF NOW FROM THE SEAT OF RIGMARROLLING.

NOBODY IS REFERING TO MELCHI AS KING OF SODOM BUT SELEM.

@ Snowwy

AGAIN IS THIS NOT A VOW FROM ABRAHAH TO GOD?

ITS NOT WRITTEN IN LATIN PLS READ;

GEN 14:22

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22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, the Possessor of heaven and earth, 23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’— 24 except only what the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men who went with me: Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

[b]@ Snowwy,

or what do you call your name,

I MAINTAIN THAT A ''MERE VOW OF TENTH PART'' AND ''TITHE LAW'' ARE NOT THE SAME.

WHO MENTIONED JACOB? IF ANYBODY MENTIONED JACOB ITS YOU,MAYBE THAT THE WAY YOU CONFUSE THOSE WHO CANT STAND THEIR GROUND,ANYWAY,

 IF YOU CHOOSE TO RIGMAROLE THATS YOUR BUSINESS.

? GEN 14:22

22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, the Possessor of heaven and earth, 23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’— 24 except only what the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men who went with me: Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

IF ABRAHAMS WAS NOT OBJECTING TO RECEIVING THE GIFT VOWS EXPLAIN THIS;

GEN 14:21

21 Now the king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the persons, and take the goods for yourself.”

Hebrews 7:2

2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”





ARE YOU NOT RIGMARROLING  BY POITING TO ONLY ABRAHAM-MELCHIZEDECK ? AND IT WAS REFFERING TO A MERE VOW OF ONE TENTH OF SPOILS AND NOT INCREASE?


Hebrews 7:2,6;

2 and Abraham gave him one tenth of all he had taken. (The first meaning of Melchizedek's name is
        King of Righteousness; and because he was king of Salem, his name also means
        King of Peace.)

6 Melchizedek was not descended from Levi, but he collected one tenth from Abraham and blessed him, the man who received God's promises.

DONT SHY AWAY FROM THE QUESTION AGAIN I REPEAT;

GIVE ME THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.

YOUR REFUSAL WILL CLEARLY SHOW PEOPLE YOUR CLEAR INTENTION ON TITHE MAYBE ITS GENUINE OR NOT,OR BASED ON FRAUD.


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[b]@snowwy,

Tithe & Tenth are one and the same, we do not need to rigmarole on this.
Tithing is still in force and that is what is in Matt 23:23 & Hebrews 7.

TITHE OR TITHING 'LAW' AND  ''A MERE VOW OF TENTH  PART''  ARE  NOT THE SAME SIR, I MAINTAIN,THIS IS WHERE YOU DELIBERATELY MIX IT UP,and you know it, how would it be had it been that we can read and understand using the original hebrew manuscript, we would not have to explain much. but the truth must be told.;

ABRAHAM NEVER TITHE. BUT ONLY FUFFIL A VOW.

WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS TITHE LAW IS ''ON INCREASE'' WHILE ABRAHAMS MERE VOW WAS FUFILED BASICALLY ON DIVIDED SPOILS,AND NOT ''ON INCREASE'' ;   Deutronomy 14:22,

22 “You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. 23 And you shall eat before the Lord your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.

WHAT ABRAHAM DID WAS JUST AN EVENT OF A MERE OCCURENCE OF COINCIDENCE OF TENTH PART WITH THE ''TITHE LAW''

(A),MELCHIZEDECH OBJECTED TO RECEIVING ABRAHAM'S VOW OF TENTH PART,BUT REQUESTED ONLY FOR THE MEN, BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE PRACTICE WITH PRIEST PRIOR TO THE INNAUGURATION OF THE LAW.  ;read, Gen 14:21

21 Now the king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the persons, and take the goods for yourself.”

(B)BUT ABRAHAM FORCED THE GOODS ON MELCHIZEDECHBECAUSE HE HAD ALREADY VOWED.read;

22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, the Possessor of heaven and earth, 23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’— 24 except only what the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men who went with me: Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

(C) IT IS EVIDENT THAT WHAT ABRAHAM RECOVERED AS SPOILS IS BASICALLY THINGS FROM THE THE WAR,;

(NLT)New Living Translation;
20,  Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the goods he had recovered.

GNT)Good news translation,;
20,  And Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the loot he had recovered.


UNFORTUNATELY THE PROPONENTS OF TITHE TO CHRISTIANS REFUSED TO AKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT BUT CHOOSE TO 'SMUGGLE IN' THAT ABRAHAM GAVE TENTH PART 'PRESUMABLY ON INCREASE WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ON THESE. BUT BASICALLY NOTHING WAS ADDED TO THE  SPOILS OUTSIDE,

HOW COULD ABRAHAM HAVE MONITORED 'THE INCREASE ON THE SPOILS' WHEN THE OWNERS OF THEM HAS BEEN KILLED IN WAR?.



(D)IS IT NOT A SHAME THAT EVEN THE ABRAHAM THEY CHOOSE TO FOLLOR HIS TENTH PART PATTERN ACTUALLY VOW,AND FUFFIL THE VOW BY THE TENTH PART,

BUT YOU SEE THE CHURCHES COLLECTING TITHE ON THE 'PRETENCE' OF ABRAHAM AND NOT LEVI,BUT STILL COLLECT 'VOW CONTRIBUTION AGAIN,DUPLICATING 'THEIR OWN TITHE REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT NOT FRAUD  



MELCHIZEDECH BECAME A PRIEST ON OATH, HE IS NOT A PARTAKER OF TITHE INHERITANCE LIKE THE LEVI,BECAUSE HIS OWN PRIESTHOOD PATTERN WERE NOT ADVANTAGED LIKE THE LEVI PRIESTHOOD TITHE INHERITANCE,  


RECOGNISING THIS CONTROVERSY, APOSTLE PAUL,A LAWYER, DIFFERENCIATE THIS BY CHOOSING SEPERATE WORDS ;

WHILE REFERING TO ABRAHAMS VOW,
HE CHOOSE TO USE ''TENTH PART'' {Hebrew meaning(Maastrah);plural.}

AND WHILE REFERING TO THE LEVI,HE USED 'TITHE' {Hebrew meaning,(ma.aser);singular}


HEBREW 7 VS 2;

2, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,”

COMPARE TO VS 5;(when there has been a part of the law refered to as 'tithe')

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;

SHARING THE SAME LITERAL MEANING BUT CARRY DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS; I.E


ABRAHAMS VOW OF ''TENTH PART'';

IS JUST LIKE SOMEONE WITH THE   MERE COMPUTER APPRECIATION COMPARE TO A DEGREE HOLDER OF COMPUTER SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY,

BOTH ARE COMPUTER LITERATE BUT THE COMPUTER APPRECIATION PERSON NEEDS IT AS A REQUIREMENT TO OPERATE WELL IN HIS CHOICE FIELDS LIKE,ACCOUNTING,ENGINEERING E.T.C.

WHILE THE DEGREE HOLDER OF COMPUTER SCIENCE TECH IS A CONFIRMED CERTIFIED SPECIALIST OF COMPUTER SCI.TECH.

THEY ARE WORLD APART.
Snowwy,

The rich young ruler said he kept God's commandments from his youth, there was no doubt about that.
His selling all his possessions and giving to the poor, as directed by Jesus, hence was in order as well. They were his possessions already (we do not know whether or not he had tithed on whatever increase he had but we know he kept God's commandments which included tithing).

IF THE YOUNG RULER HAD TITHED UNDER THE LAW,WHATS YOUR BUSINESS WITH THAT?

IS YOUR OWN TITHING CONCEPT BASED ON LAW COVENANT? AND WHY DO YOU SWITCH REFUGE UNDER THE LAW COVENANT TITHE AND ABRAHAMS MERE VOW?

I asked you to tell me what you think 'robbed other churches' and 'power over you' meant in the context of the scriptures but you are yet to answer.

SEE YOUR ANSWERS HERE AGAIN, ;
1 COR 8:13-14.

13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; 14 but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality.


ALSE REPLACE  'power over you' WITH MERIT OR RIGHT.

IN MATHEW 23:23, ARE THE PHARISEES NOT PRACTICING THE TITHING UNDER LAW? WHICH WAS STILL PRACTICED THEN UNTIL IT ENDS WITH  JESUS DEATH,

IF JESUS IS NOT AGAINST THEIR OWN FORM OF TITHE UNDER THE LAW,LETS SAY UNTIL HIS DEATH.

ARE YOU ALSO ADOPTING THE TITHE UNDER THE LAW,THAT IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YOU BELIEVED WHICH IS ABRAHAMS 'VOW' AND WHICH YOU HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME TO WRITE ON?
THAT IT IS SEPARATE FROM THE ONE THAT ENDS WITH THE LAW?

SNOWWY,SNOWWY,  

GIVE ME THE FULL DEFINATION OF 'TITHE' THAT SHOULD BE PRACTICED BY CHRISTIAN.ITS NECCESARRY TO CREATE A BOUNDARY.









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[b]@snowwy,

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE TEND TO MIX THINGS UP,SINCE THERE IS NO PRIOR STRUCTURE  OR PATTERN THAT DICTATE ABRAHAMS ACTION,

AS AT THE TIME THAT ABRAHAM MET MELCHIZEDECK,ABRAHAM DID NOT 'TITHE' TO MELCHIZEDECH, HE GAVE A TEHTH PART OR TENTH PORTION (chech your bible use of word here,did the bible use the word tithe? rather it uses tenth part) BASED ON HIS (ABRAHAMS) PERSONAL FEELING OR APPRECIATION.  

pls STOP USING THE WORD 'ABRAHAM TITHE' HE DID NOT TITHE' BECAUSE THE 'CONCEPT' THAT 'CONSTITUTES TITHE' WAS INNAUGURATED WITH THE LEVI. AND DONE AWAY WITH COMPLETELY.

SO THERE ARE NO 2 FORMS OF TITHE BINDING,THE ONLY BINDING ONE IS BEEN REMOVED.



READ HEBREW 7 VS 2;

2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,”

COMPARE TO VS 5;(when there has been a part of the law refered to as 'tithe')

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;

SO YOU DONT HAVE TO BORROW THE WORD 'TITHE' BECAUSE IT HAS GONE AWAY WITH THE LAW,

AND WHAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE 'ACT' OF ABRAHAM  BEFORE THE LAW IS THE UNSTRUCTURED 'TENTH PORTION OR PART' A NON BINDING OR JUST SHOW APPRECIATION.

(AS YOU CAN SEE, NO BIBLE PORTION IN THE CHRIST ERA DEMANDS CHRISTIANS TO PAY NEITHER TITHE OR TENTH PART OR PORTION TO CHURCH,NOT A SINGLE BIBLE PORTION.


Snowwy quotes

Do you see that all these scriptures show that it is a duty to support the work of the gospel and it's ministers? We also have the duty to help the poor and family. None negates the other.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED EXTENSIVELY ON THE BIBLE VERSES YOU QUOTED(1 COR 9:1-13) WITH JOEAGBAJE, (a friend on the forum)

IM NOT AGAINST MORAL OR WILLING SUPPORT IN 'SUPPORTING THE GOSPEL' IT IS OUR DUTY NO DOUBT,
BUT
    THE CRIMINAL DEMANDS THROUGH THE AMALGAMATION OF 'USING THE CONCEPT OF THE 'BINDING' TITHE CONCEPT ALREADY DONE AWAY WITH, AND BORROWING WORDS LIKE ''YOU ARE ROBBING GOD'' USED TO THE OLD ISREALITES AS THREATS IF YOU DONT PAY. MIXING THINGS UP TO EXTORT OR MAKING PEOPLE FEEL THAT IF YOU FAIL TO TITHE IN A MONTH,AS IF HELL FIRE IS WAITING FOR YOU.

THIS CRIMINAL AMALGAMATION I REFFERED TO ABOVE IS WHAT MOST CHURCHES AND PASTORS FOLLOW TODAY,AND THEY LIVE THE LIFE OF OPULENCE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHURCH.

ABSOLUTE POWER CURRUPTS ABSOLUTELY,
WHERE A CHURCH DEEM IT FIT 'TO BUY A PRIVATE JET' AND SERVICING IT,AND THERE ARE POOR PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT FEED WELL OR THEIR CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL, IS THERE AN EQUALISING THERE?BELOW BIBLE VERSE WAS OVERLOOKED BY THE SO CALLED MEN OF GOD,AND THAT IS WHY I USE THE WORD''CRIMINAL''.,read

1 COR 8:13-14.

13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; 14 but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality.






AND THERE IS NO COMPULSION AS TO IF YOU GOT TO DO ANY FAVOUR TO HELP A MAN OF GOD THAT IT MUST 'GO THROUGH THE CHURCH',YOU CAN JUST DO IT DIRECTLY WITHOUT GOING OR EVEN IMFORMING THE CHURCH,AND GOD WILL REWARD THE FAVOUR YOU DID IN A NOTICEABLE WAY. MAT 19:21

,21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

JESUS WOULD HAVE INSTRUCTED THIS YOUNG RICH MAN ''TO HAVE AT LEAST PAY THROUGH THE TITHE PROCEEDURES,INSTEAD JESUS DIRECTED THE PROCEEDS TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE POOR.



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@ joeagbaje,

BEFORE A PARTICULAR PROCESS BECOMES 'A STRUCTURE',IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED AS AND RESOLVED TO BE A STANDARD, CAN YOU MENTION THOSE WHO TITHE ACCORDING TO THE ABRAHAMS STRUCTURE YOU CLAIM?

[b]@snowwy,

Jesus wasn't against it but rather said it should not be left undone (he didn't need to add this statement if he was against it).
In other NT books, Paul references OT, uses words like 'power over you' 1 Cor 9:1-13, 'robbing other churches' 2 Cor 11:8. It depends on your conviction but I have a strong conviction on it based on faith, scriptures. To everyone his own.

PERMIT ME TO BORROW SOME  LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.

'IF THERE IS NO LAW,THEN THERE IS NO CRIME. BUT AN OFFENDER BECOMES AN ACCUSED IN THE EVENT OF BREAKING A PARTICULAR FORBIDDEN LAW.

THAT WHAT ABRAHAM DID WITH THE SPOILS WHEN HE GAVE A TENTH PART   ''PREDATES THE LAW'' GOES TO NO ISSUE AT ALL, SINCE IT WAS LATER  INCORPORATED AND PRACTICED IN THE LAW COVENANT BEARING THE NAME 'TENTH PART'.IT WILL BE WIPED OUT ALTOGETHER WHEN SAME INCORPORATED LAW IS ANNULED.
 
THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM GAVE A TENTH PART OF SPOILS TO MELCHIZEDECH,HE DOES NOT FOLLOW A PARTICULAR PATTERN, AND THEN CANNOT ASSUME A SEPERATE  IMMUNITY OR STAND OUT UNANNULLED  IF HAVING BEEN INCORPORATED INTO AN EXISTING LAW, IT WILL GO AWAY OR CEASE TO OPERATE IF THE LAW IT WAS INCORPORATE ALONG SIDE WITH WAS ANNULLED OR DISENGAGED.

Can you explain further what you feel about 'robbing other churches' in relation to 'tithe', and can you support your strong conviction tied with scriptures that directs christians to tithe, as a standard?



 


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@pastor kun,and Goshen 360

Thank you my brothers, its very neccessary to purge the knowledge of this people, and you realise that they are taking advantage of people's ignorance.  i have volunteered my time to educate people who wants to know the truth, im not wasting my time, i appreciate your concern. And im still waiting for his reply.

[b]@snowwy,

quote:snowy

Tithing has been expounded on other topics so really there is no need for me to dabble into the subject again however I noticed you quoted Hebrews 7:12 and then jumped to verse 18.
Verses 13 to 18 say:

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. '

Please notice the bolded, are you saying that the annulment of the commandment was of verse 12 or of verse 16 as I noted you neatly did not mention verse 16?

Also, Heb 7:28 below also explains verse 18 in my opinion:

 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.'

Could you explain the bolded verses and how they relate to the disannulment of the commandment going before of verse 18?

Thanks for the priviledge,

FIRST OF ALL HEBREW 7:5;
AKNOWLEDGES THE FACT THAT THE 'LEVI' PRIEST HAVE ''COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHE'' IS INSTITUTED UNDER THE LAW COVENANT.

HEBREW 7:5;

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;

vs 13-17;

GOD MONITORED ( THAT JESUS WILL NOT COME THROUGH THE TRIBE THAT 'OFFICIATE AS PRIEST' WHICH IS LEVI,)  TO FUFFIL THE PROMISE GIVEN TO ABRAHAM( through Abraham's seed, God will bless the nation),


BUT JESUS NOW CAME FROM ''A TRIBE WHICH IS NOT LEVI, A TRIBE THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN ANYWAYWHATSOEVER TO RECEIVE TITHE,OFFERINGS,FIRSTFRUIT,ETC. WHICH IS 'JUDAH' OR 'ROOT OF JESSE' DAVIDS FATHER.IN ISREAL OF OLD.

HEBREW 7;5,12-18.



12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest

16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.
(VS 16, ONLY HIGHLITES THE METHOD
(VS 17, HERE NOW CONTAINS ''THE OATH'' THAT MADE JESUS THE NEW PRIEST FOREVER).;

17 For He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”


PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?, AND(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
SO JESUS WHOSE MOTHER CAME AND TRACED THROUGH THE TRIBE OF JUDAH BECAME THE HIGH PRIEST THE WAY(OR SAME PROCESS) MELCHIZEDECH BECAME HIGH PRIEST.;BY AN OATH.

{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOTE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN (A) AND (B) ABOVE 'EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF CHRIST BECOMING THE HIGH PRIEST BY A DIFFERENT METHOD FROM OLD LEVI PRIEST OF ISREALITES WHO 'BY INHERITANCE' OR AUTOMATIC BY TRIBE BECAME PRIEST,AND THE  ANNULMENT OR SETTING ASIDE OF THE PRECEEDING LAW.

JESUS FURTHER DECLARE THE ''THIS CHANGE''  THAT RENDERS ONLY THE OLD ISREALITE NATIVES AUTHOMATIC 'SONS OF GOD' '' TO THE PHARISEES AND THE HIGH PRIEST WHO STILL HELD TO THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT,TITHE OFFERINGS FIRSTFRUITS ETC THAT;

MATHEW 21;43-45.

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

VS 28, FURTHER STRESED THAT THE LAW MADE MEN HIGH PRIESTS,BUT SUCH MEN (LEVI) PRIESTS BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS.THEY HAVE THEIR WEAKNESSES,Verse 23 point out one of the weakness,which is death. and that prevents the ''continuity of the priest'' (23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.)


BUT 'A PERFECT PERON' JESUS CHRIST BECOMING PRIEST THROUGH AN OATH, ARRIVED AFTER THE LAW AS PRIEST FOREVER.

TO FURTHER STRESS THE AUTHENTICITY OF THESE IN VS16, 18 AND 28.


GALATIANS 3:23-25.;

23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


COLOSIANS 2:13,14;

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;



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@Koyedemi,

Chuksxp, and others following the tread,

[/quote]YOUR QUOTE,
Koyedemi:quote
[quote]Paul’s teaching on giving is based on generous/bountiful giving. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 (NKJV):
6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 2Cor.8-9.

''He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.''

DOES THIS ABOVE STATEMENT SUGGEST '' PUTTING CASH IN CHURCH,IN TURN INCREASE IN THE GIVERS FINANCIAL BUSINESSES''?ACCORDING TO TODAYS CONCEPT OF ''SOW''.
WHAT DO CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’? (is it cash ‘sowing’ for muiltiplication, or ‘sowing’ in spirit that includes generousity)


TO ANSWER THIS LETS SEE WHAT CONSTITUTES THE THE BIBLE AND CHRIST-ERA 'SOWING' AS USED IN THE BIBLE; Pls read,

Galatians 6:7-9

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
NOTE,

{a} For he who ‘’sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption’’,
{b}‘’ he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life’’.

Galatians 5:19-21

{a1}
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

{b1}
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

APPLY [a] to[a1] and [b] to [b1] ANSWERS WHAT CONSTITUTES ‘’SOWING’’ AS USED IN THE PARAGRAPH DURING THE EARLY CHRISTIANS.

NOW,LETS SEE AND EXAMPLE OF A ‘CHEERFUL GIVER’ WHO ‘SOW BOUNTIFULLY AND WAS REWARDED BOUNTIFULLY.
ACTS 9:36-41;

36 At Joppa there was a certain disciple named Tabitha, which is translated Dorcas. This woman was full of good works and charitable deeds which she did. 37 But it happened in those days that she became sick and died. When they had washed her, they laid her in an upper room. 38 And since Lydda was near Joppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent two men to him, imploring him not to delay in coming to them. 39 Then Peter arose and went with them. When he had come, they brought him to the upper room. And all the widows stood by him weeping, showing the tunics and garments which Dorcas had made while she was with them. 40 But Peter put them all out, and knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up. 41 Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive.

Mathew 19-21;
Remember the young ruler was told by jesus to,

21, ‘’sell all ye have and distribute to the poor.and have treasures in heaven’’,

JESUS DID NOT ASK HIM TO TITHE OR ‘SOW’ THE CASH PROCEEDS BUT THAT HE SHOULD DISTRIBUTE IT DIRECTLY TO THE POOR,SIMPLE. AND THAT SHOWS ‘SOWING IN ‘SPIRIT OF KINDNESS’ WHICH IS NUMBER 5, OF [b1]above.


IT AMAZES ME WHEN PEOPLE DONT TALK OF ''GOOD CONCIENCE TOWARDS GOD IN ALL WE DO'',

SOME DONT CARE ''HOW(the process) THEY GOT THEIR MATERIAL RICHES'' BUT(the product matters)TO THEM

THEY CLAIMED IT IS GODS DOING, EVEN IF YOU OBTAIN WEALTH BY 'FRAUD' SO FAR YOU PRAY AND 'SOW' (according to the modern pastor) .

IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD?

OR IS GOD BLIND TO SEE THOSE 'FRAUD' PROCESS?
Questions begging for answers,

'you cant mock God' 'he sees everything'

SUMMARY: CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’ IN SPIRIT(the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.)

THE SPIRIT MOTIVATES ACTIONS IN CHRISTIANS.








THE NEXT OF YOUR QUOTE;





quote

• Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law (tithing inclusive) but to fulfill it Matt.5:17.

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT GOD IS A GOD OF 'PURPOSE', HE REVEALED HIS PURPOSE REGARDING THE LAW COVENANT,HOW?

How is the law fufiled by jesus?

It is fufiled to the extent that, his coming to fufil the prophecies has been foretold in the old testament Directed to Abraham that;.

(through your seed ,the nation will bless themselves,and when) .


Galatians 3:19.23-25.

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator

23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


Colossians 2:14


14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us. He took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;

THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE OF TITHE WAS AN ISSUE (BETWEEN THE JEW CHRISTIANS WHO LIVED BEFORE UNDER THE LAW,AND THE GENTILES THAT IS NON JEWS CHRISTIANS)
AND THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT,SHOULD THESE NEW CHRISTIAN STILL PRACTICE THE STRICT REQUIREMENTS DEMANDED BY THE LAW EXPECIALLY THE TITHE ISSUE?.
THROUGH INSPIRATION APOSTLE PAUL DELIVERED THE MESSAGE IN HEB 7,
IT WILL INTEREST YOU THAT HE STARTED THE DELIVERY WITH THE 'TITHE ISSUE INCLUSIVE'(pls read the whole chapt.7)

WHERE THE ISSUE WAS INTERPRETED AND LAID TO REST. PAUL A LAWYER,STARTS THE DELIVERY THIS WAY;

'Now beyond all contradiction'

HEBREW 7:7-12.

7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.

8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Need for a New Priesthood

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

MAT 19:21

,21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

JESUS WOULD HAVE INSTRUCTED THIS YOUNG RICH MAN ''TO HAVE AT LEAST PAY THROUGH THE TITHE PROCEEDURES,INSTEAD JESUS DIRECTED THE PROCEEDS TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE POOR.

NOTE CONCEPT OF ''PERFECTION IN THESE QUOTES BY JESUS;

if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
COMPARE TO;

If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor,

[b]@REVOLUTNIS

''He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.''

DOES THIS ABOVE STATEMENT SUGGEST '' PUTTING CASH IN CHURCH,IN TURN INCREASE IN THE GIVERS FINANCIAL BUSINESSES''?ACCORDING TO TODAYS CONCEPT OF ''SOW''.
WHAT DO CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’? (is it cash ‘sowing’ for muiltiplication, or ‘sowing’ in spirit that includes generousity)

TO ANSWER THIS LETS SEE WHAT CONSTITUTES THE BIBLE AND CHRIST-ERA 'SOWING' AS USED IN THE BIBLE; Pls read,

Galatians 6:7-9

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
NOTE,

{a} For he who ‘’sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption’’,
{b}‘’ he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life’’.

Galatians 5:19-21

{a1}
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

{b1}
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

APPLY [a] to[a1] and [b] to [b1] ANSWERS WHAT CONSTITUTES ‘’SOWING’’ AS USED IN THE PARAGRAPH DURING THE EARLY CHRISTIANS.

NOW,LETS SEE AND EXAMPLE OF A ‘CHEERFUL GIVER’ WHO ‘SOW BOUNTIFULLY AND WAS REWARDED BOUNTIFULLY.
ACTS 9:36-41;

36 At Joppa there was a certain disciple named Tabitha, which is translated Dorcas. This woman was full of good works and charitable deeds which she did. 37 But it happened in those days that she became sick and died. When they had washed her, they laid her in an upper room. 38 And since Lydda was near Joppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent two men to him, imploring him not to delay in coming to them. 39 Then Peter arose and went with them. When he had come, they brought him to the upper room. And all the widows stood by him weeping, showing the tunics and garments which Dorcas had made while she was with them. 40 But Peter put them all out, and knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up. 41 Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive.

Mathew 19-21;
Remember the young ruler was told by jesus to,

21, ‘’sell all ye have and distribute to the poor.and have treasures in heaven’’,

JESUS DID NOT ASK HIM TO TITHE OR ‘SOW’ THE CASH PROCEEDS BUT THAT HE SHOULD DISTRIBUTE IT DIRECTLY TO THE POOR,SIMPLE. AND THAT SHOWS ‘SOWING IN ‘SPIRIT OF KINDNESS’ WHICH IS NUMBER 5, OF [b1]above.


IT AMAZES ME WHEN PEOPLE DONT TALK OF ''GOOD CONCIENCE TOWARDS GOD IN ALL WE DO'',
SOME DONT CARE ''HOW(the process) THEY GOT THEIR MATERIAL RICHES'' BUT(the product matters)TO THEM

THEY CLAIMED IT IS GODS DOING, EVEN IF YOU OBTAIN WEALTH BY 'FRAUD' SO FAR YOU PRAY AND 'SOW' (according to the modern pastor) .

IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD?

OR IS GOD BLIND TO SEE THOSE 'FRAUD' PROCESS?
Questions begging for answers,

'you cant mock God' 'he sees everything'

SUMMARY: CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’ IN SPIRIT(the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.)

THE SPIRIT MOTIVATES ACTIONS IN CHRISTIANS.

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''He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.''

DOES THIS ABOVE STATEMENT SUGGEST '' PUTTING CASH IN CHURCH,IN TURN INCREASE IN THE GIVERS FINANCIAL BUSINESSES''?ACCORDING TO TODAYS CONCEPT OF ''SOW''.
WHAT DO CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’? (is it cash ‘sowing’ for muiltiplication, or ‘sowing’ in spirit that includes generousity)

TO ANSWER THIS LETS SEE [color=#000099]WHAT CONSTITUTES THE BIBLE AND CHRIST-ERA 'SOWING' AS USED IN THE BIBLE; Pls read,
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Galatians 6:7-9

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
NOTE,

{a} For he who ‘’sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption’’,
{b}‘’ he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life’’.

Galatians 5:19-21

{a1}
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

{b1}
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

APPLY [a] to[a1] and [b] to [b1] ANSWERS WHAT CONSTITUTES ‘’SOWING’’ AS USED IN THE PARAGRAPH DURING THE EARLY CHRISTIANS.

NOW,LETS SEE AND EXAMPLE OF A ‘CHEERFUL GIVER’ WHO ‘SOW BOUNTIFULLY AND WAS REWARDED BOUNTIFULLY.
ACTS 9:36-41;

36 At Joppa there was a certain disciple named Tabitha, which is translated Dorcas. This woman was full of good works and charitable deeds which she did. 37 But it happened in those days that she became sick and died. When they had washed her, they laid her in an upper room. 38 And since Lydda was near Joppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent two men to him, imploring him not to delay in coming to them. 39 Then Peter arose and went with them. When he had come, they brought him to the upper room. And all the widows stood by him weeping, showing the tunics and garments which Dorcas had made while she was with them. 40 But Peter put them all out, and knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up. 41 Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive.

Mathew 19-21;
Remember the young ruler was told by jesus to,

21, ‘’sell all ye have and distribute to the poor.and have treasures in heaven’’,

JESUS DID NOT ASK HIM TO TITHE OR ‘SOW’ THE CASH PROCEEDS BUT THAT HE SHOULD DISTRIBUTE IT DIRECTLY TO THE POOR,SIMPLE. AND THAT SHOWS ‘SOWING IN ‘SPIRIT OF KINDNESS’ WHICH IS NUMBER 5, OF [b1]above.


IT AMAZES ME WHEN PEOPLE DONT TALK OF ''GOOD CONCIENCE TOWARDS GOD IN ALL WE DO'',
SOME DONT CARE ''HOW(the process) THEY GOT THEIR MATERIAL RICHES'' BUT(the product matters)TO THEM

THEY CLAIMED IT IS GODS DOING, EVEN IF YOU OBTAIN WEALTH BY 'FRAUD' SO FAR YOU PRAY AND 'SOW' (according to the modern pastor) .

IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD?

OR IS GOD BLIND TO SEE THOSE 'FRAUD' PROCESS?
Questions begging for answers,

'you cant mock God' 'he sees everything'

SUMMARY: CHRISTIANS ‘SOW’ IN SPIRIT(the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.)

THE SPIRIT MOTIVATES ACTIONS IN CHRISTIANS.

CONTINUED

HEBREW 7;12,18,19,22.

.12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

[b]OH,I WILL SUPPLY SCRIPTURES IN BATCHES NOT ONLY ONE,THAT SHOWS TITHE RULE HAS BEEN ANNULED

BUT TO START WITH, CAN YOU REPEAT THE BIBLE VERSE THAT YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE SENT? IM NOT AWARE OF IT,SO DO IT NOW,

FIRTLY, HEBREW 7, START WITH THE ''COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHE'' IS INSTITUTED UNDER THE LAW COVENANT.

HEBREW 7:5;

5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;


AND THEREFORE (because of its weakness and unprofitableness,)IT WAS ANNULED, (OR ENDED BY NAILING IT ON THE TURTURE STAKE)
COLOSIANS 2:13,14;

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

GALATIANS 3:19,21-25.;

22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


LOGICAL EXPPRESSIONS HERE,WE ARE NOT SPEAKING LATIN,

NOW SUPPLY ME WITH YOUR OWN BIBLE VERSE WHERE JESUS PAUL AND EARLY CHRISTIANS TITHE, OR COMMANDED TO TITHE,NOW.

PLS, SUPPLY THE BIBLE VERSE FIRST BEFORE YOU REPLY POST HERE.PLS.



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[b]@joagbaje

Jesus would not take tithe because he wasn't a high priest while on earth .

NOW YOU ADMITTED THAT JESUS (the source of christianity) DID NOT TAKE TITHE.

Paul explained the reason he refused to take money fom the Corinthian church. They were carnal . For that reason ,they would not see the spirituality of giving to him.

AND IT IS VERY CLEAR NOW THAT,PAUL DID NOT ACCEPT TITHE, YOU CANT PRODUCE ANY BIBLE VERSE ON THESE.
ITS A FACT NOW.

MEANWHILE, APOSTLE PAUL GAVE US HIS REASON,THAT THEY(corinthians) 'ABOUND IN FAITH AND GOOD WORKS' BUT NOT HAVING SUFFICIENTLY, SO HE FEELS NOT TO 'BURDEN' THEM BY LOVINGLY SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM OTHER BRETHREN OUTSIDE OF CORINTH TO COMPLEMENT THEIR LACK ;IS THAT NOT COMMENDABLE?

DID HE FORCE TITHE ON THEM, OR DID HE SAY 'THEY ARE ROBBING GOD? NO.

1 COR 8:13-14.

13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; 14 but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality.

PLS SUPPLY BIBLE VERSES THAT PAUL USE TO SUPPORT TITHE,JUST ONE AND I WILL BE OKAY?
IM WAITING PLS
AND IF YOU CANT SUPPLY ONE,THEN TITHE IS NOT PRACTICED BY JESUS AND EARLY CHRISTIANS,SIMPLE,DONT BEAT ABOUT THE BUSH. .[/b]