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[b]joeagbaje's quote;

Paul made it clear that the way people responded to the priest and Levites in the old testament ,the same way they should respond to the church.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.



What were the things of the temple ? .  Simple , tithes and offerings .

VERSE14, HIGHLITES ''THEY WHICH PREACH BY THE GOSPEL'' WHILE VS 13 SPEAK ABOUT THE LAW PRACTICE.

NOW,ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT TEMPLE? OR 'GOSPEL'?


VERY GOOD, LET ME HELP YOU TO FAST FORWARD SAME CHAPTER 9 FROM VS 15-18;


1 Corinthians 9:15-18;


15 But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void.

16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for necessity is laid upon me; yes, woe is me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.

18 What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel.

WHY DID PAUL 'PRESENT GOSPEL WITHOUT CHARGE' OR 'WITHOUT COST.?

AGAIN YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS NOT A HIGH PRIEST,

Can you open your bible now to read, hebrew7:20-26.

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest forever[d]
According to the order of Melchizedek’”),[e]
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;

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@ joeagbaje,

Exodus 21:17

17 “And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.

IF TITHE STILL APPLY TO CHRISTIANS TODAY ACCORDING TO YOU(because tithe and laws on honor of parents are all contained and bound under the law Covenant),DID EXODUS 21:17(Quoted above)  IS IT APPLICABLE AND PRACTICED BY CHRISTIANS TODAY? YES OR NO.

Posted by: Joagbaje
Posted on: Yesterday at 10:27:32 A  

We must do all. That's the balance that Jesus was passing accros

PLS ADHERE STRICTLY TO YOUR QUOTE ABOVE(Posted on: Yesterday at 10:27:32 A)

NO EXPLANATION YET, JUST ONE OPTION LIKE YOU EARLIER CANVASED;

YES OR NO.(waiting pls)

[b]@ Cyntia.



THE ''OLD COVENANT'' THAT CONTAINS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices) ''ONLY CONCERN'' THE TRIBE OF LEVI (AS PRIETS TO RECEIVE TITHES FROM OTHER TRIBES OF ISREAL,THE LEVI ARE COMMISSIONED BY ''A WRITTEN COMMANDMENT'' AS CONTAINED IN THE 'LAW COMMANDMENT' AS A GODLY STANDARD ONLY TO THE OLD ISREALITES WHO BY BIRTH ARE ''GODS SONS.

HEBREW 7;5

  Verse 5, And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE OLD CONVENANTS,OR COMMANDMENT THAT DEMANDS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices)   ''HAVE BEEN ANNULED BY GOD'' DUE TO REASONS because of its weakness and unprofitableness).read yourself

HEBREW 7;18,19.


18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

HAVING ANNUL THE LAW,(due to inneffectiveness evident in the fact that had it been that the people whom the law was given originally which is the isrealites constantly turn away from God to worship other Gods but only try to observe the law commandment selectively 'as a rite' and 'not obligation'.
GOD NOW GAVE US JESUS AS A SURETEE OF A BETTER COVENANT, AND ''NOT'' THE OLD COVENANT.

HEBREW 7;22.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT ALL CHRISTIANS INCLUDING YOU AND I AND THOSE ON THIS TREAD WERE NOT CALLED ''SONS OF GOD'' BY BIRTH, LIKE THE OLD ISREALITES WITH THE COVENANT THAT MAKES THEM SONS OF GOD AUTHOMATICALLY BY NATIVE OF OLD ISREAL, WE CAN ONLY BE REFERED TO AS 'GENTILES' BUT WERE LUCKY TO BE ''GODS SONS'' ONLY IF WE EXERCISE FAITH IN THE RAMSOME SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST,


.HEB 7;24

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

JESUS NOW HAVE RENDERED THE ''REQUIREMENTS FOR SACRIFICES'' LIKE ''FIRSTFRUITS'' WHICH ALSO INCLUDE FIRST ANIMAL OF THE OLD ISREAL AS FIRSTFRUITS  RESERVED FOR ''BURNT SACRIFICES'' IN THE TEMPLE AS UNNECCESARY NULL VOID AND OF NO EFFECT.THIS HE DID BY;

 (JESUS OFFERING HIMSELF UP ONCE AND FOR ALL)
JESUS NOW REPLACES THE POSITION HELD BY THE  ''LEVI PRIEST'' AS THE 'HIGH PRIEST  BY 'HIMSELF AS THE HIGH PRIEST FOREVER.'

HEB 7;27

27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.


Collosians 2:14

14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.



JESUS BLATANTLY CURSED THE ISREAL OR JEWISH PHARISEES AND HIGH PRIEST WHY?

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING IS NOT PRACTICED,AND JESUS EVEN REBUKE OR CAST WOE ON THOSE WHO PAY IN THE NAME OF TITHE,

WHILE LEAVING THE GREATER THINGS THAT TITHE WAS FORMALLY INTRODUCED TO CORRECT 'UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW WHICH IS;

JUSTICE(to the fatherless and poor),MERCY AND FAITH.JESUS CHALENGED THEM THAT LETS ASSUME THAT PAYING TITHE UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW IS WHAT THEY STILL HELD AS BELIEF,THEN THEY ARE HYPOCRYTES APPLYING PARTLY A LAW THEY CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN A SELECTED MANNER, LEAVING THE PURPOSE THAT THE LAW{TITHE UNDER MOSES}WAS ESTABLISHED. Read Mathew 23;23

Mathew 23;23,

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!  

THIS ABOVE FACT CLEARLY STRESSED THE POINT THAT RENDERS THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT 'INNEFFECTIVE' AND TO BE ANNULLED AND REPLACED,

JESUS FURTHER DECLARE THE ''THE CHANGE'' TO THE PHARISEES AND THE HIGH PRIEST WHO STILL HELD TO THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT,TITHE OFFERINGS FIRSTFRUITS ETC THAT;

MATHEW 21;43-45.

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

AND TO BUTRESS MY POINT THAT 'THE OLD LEVI PRIEST PATTERN' THAT DEMANDS TITHE,FIRSTFRUIT,OFFERINGS FOR SACRIFICES WAS TOTTALLY MEANT TO BE  ABANDONED,

GOD MONITORED THAT JESUS WILL NOT COME THROUGH THE TRIBE THAT 'OFFICIATE AS PRIEST' WHICH IS LEVI,BUT JESUS NOW CAME FROM ''A TRIBE WHICH IS NOT LEVI,A TRIBE THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN ANYWAYWHATSOEVER TO RECEIVE TITHE,OFFERINGS,FIRSTFRUIT,ETC.

HEBREW 7;12-15.

 
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.

PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?,(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOW WITH ALL THESE GLARING PROOFS,IT IS NOT A STANDARD FOR TRUE CHRISTIANS TO PRACTICE FIRSTFRUITS TITHE AND OFFERING CONCEPT WITH ''THERE IS NO BIBLICAL BACKING'' THAT PRONOUNCE THAT THESE TANGIBLE GOODS SHOULD BE CHANGED TO ''CASH''

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING,OR FIRSTFRUITS WERE  NOT PRACTICED,IF YOU DOUBT ME QUOTE IT NOW.

DONATIONS WERE PRACTICED HOW?

 THE CHRISTIANS DURING PAUL'S ERA CONTRIBUTED MONIES,NOT TITHES AND OFFERINGS BUT THE NEW METHOD UNDER CHRIST 2 COR 8;12

2 COR 8;12

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.

THATS WHY THE WIDOW THAT DROPPED 2 TWO COINS OF LOWER VALUE IN THE TEMPLE WAS PRONOUNCED AS''PUT IN MORE THAN ALL'' HER ''WILLINGNESS WAS APPRECIATED'' AND NOT THE SMALL VALUE OF THE COINS.

''LUKE 21:1-3

1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all;

IS THIS BEEN PRACTICED IN CHURCHES  TODAY?

ITS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT CHRIST PORTRAYED AS ''MONEY FRIENDLY'',THAT YOU CAN ONLY ENJOY CHRIST OR FEEL HIM THROUGH MONEY DEMANDS, IS JESUS LIKE THAT? HEAR HIM WHEN CONFORTING THOSE THAT THE PHARISEE LOADED DOWN WITH THE LAW COMMANDMENT DEMANDS;

Mattew 11,28-30.

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

FOR CHRIST TO BE REAL TO YOU,FOLLOW AND SEARCH  HIS WRITTEN WORDS CAREFULLY.
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[b]@ Dawsan Auto,

YOU DISAPPOINT ME,

YOUR REPLY NEVER EXPLAIN WHAT YOU TERM AS 'TWIST'

,(it will be adviceable to back up your claim with the bible and not human concepts outside the bible true meanings this you can do by 'reading the bible for yourself,and recognise what is and what is not of Gods true standard.
And note that the bible says we must 'test' every spirit,whether they originate with God.There are standards set out by God for christians,but have been ''changed by some to accomodate Greed'' there rendering Gods standard as out of date, while it is not)

NOW TO THE BUSSINESS;

your quote

You said they practice DONATIONS, Kindly explain to us how Donations differ from Offerings which is even phrased as "Sacrificial Offering" meaning Free will donation. So you saying it is right to give Donations but not right to give Offerings you'll agree with me is kind of confusing

from DawsonAuto


My Response;

WHEN I SAID DONATIONS AND CONTRIBUTION I MEAN WHAT I SAY ,


 I THOUGHT YOU HAVE A BIBLE SUPPORT FOR  ''CASH AS OFFERING'' TO COUNTER MY POINT BUT YOU DID NOT QUOTE EVEN ONE,TO BUTRESS YOUR POINT.DO YOU CARE TO SEACH YOUR BIBLE THE TRUE MEANINGS OF 'OFFERING,OR 'SACRIFICIAL OFFERINGS'?
Let me do it,while you check now;


OFFERING,OR 'SACRIFICIAL OFFERINGS'
1, Firstfruit Offering.   leviticus 2:13
2, Guilt  Offering.   leviticus 5:15
3, communion  Offering.leviticus 3:6
4,Burnt offering leviticus 1:13.

etc
ALL THESE OFFERINGS ARE ACTUALLY BURN ON ALTER TO SMOKE,OR REDEEMED.

ALL THESE ARE FOUND IN THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS (LEVI WHO ARE THE PRIEST TRIBE), AND THERE IS A WRITTEN COMMANDMENT UNDER THE LAW COVENANT THAT MANDATED THEM,

THEY DONT JUST ASSUME THE ROLE ANYHOW.

HEBREW 7;5

 5, And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE OLD CONVENANTS,OR COMMANDMENT THAT DEMANDS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices)
''HAVE BEEN ANNULED BY GOD'' DUE TO REASONS NAMELY;( because of its weakness and unprofitableness).
read again;

HEBREW 7;18,19.22;

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

AND THE BETTER HOPE; vs 22

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Collosians 2:14

14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.


AND TO SHOW THAT WE DONT NEED THESE SO CALLED 'OFFERINGS' OR 'SACRIFICIAL OFFERING', AFTER WE HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS AS OUR SAVIOR,

PLS READ;

Ephesians 5:1,2.

1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children
2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

HEBREW 7:27;

27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.



USING THE 'OLD CONCEPT' OF 'OFFERING' 'OR 'SACRIFICIAL OFFERING'' TO RECEIVE DONATIONS FROM CHRISTIANS,OR CHRIST-TIANS, WHO ARE OF THE BENEFIT OF THE JESUS RANSOME SACRIFICE  IS TANTAMOUNT TO DISREGARDING,NOT APPRECIATING OR NOT RESPECFULL OF THE GOOD HE HAD DONE FOR YOU AND I,BY OPENING THE WAY TO GOD FOR US THROUGH HIS PAINFULL DEATH ON A TURTURE STAKE, OF WHICH HE ALSO PERFORM ''ONCE AND FOR ALL''BY OFFERING HIMSELF, DUE  TO THESE KNOWLEDGE;

THATS  THE REASON WHY THE APOSTLES  CHOOSE TO CALL ANY 'GOOD GIFT' OR VOLUNTARY GIVING AS

DONATIONS OR CONTRIBUTION,

NOTE THAT,IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE 'OFFERING' OR 'SACRIFICING OFFERING' OF THE OLD LAW COVENANT.
PLS READ;

ACT 4: 32

All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all

34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales

35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.



2 Corinthians 8:12-15

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have.

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.

14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality,

15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.

YOUR QUOTE
quote:Dawsan Auto,

The question now is do you think your "Donations" alone is sufficient to cater for all these expenditures? The Practical truth here is NO. If you attend a church where the pastor has to call for Donations just to pay the NEPA Bills monthly or fuel the Generator monthly, wont you be tired one day? Bearing in mind that most of these expenditures are re-current.

The truth here is that Tithes, First Fruits, Offerings (Donations), and the rest all come together to make enough funds available for all these things and many others I couldn't mention here, so that the pastor can focus on the issue of "Keeping the Flock" by nourishing them with the word of God. If you are a pastor, and you have to worry about payment of bills every month, tell me how composed you'll be to feed the flock of Christ with the word of truth? At least the Bible says "For Ye shall Know the Truth and the truth shall set you free" JOHN 8vs32. If no one reveals the truth to you, how would you know it? Remembering also that the Bible tells us not to despise the gathering of the brethren,  at least if we gather as a group, somebody must lead us na? - The Pastor.

JUST READ THIS QUOTE YOURSELF    ''

do you think your "Donations" alone is sufficient to cater for all these expenditures?

YOU UNDERMINE THE POWER OF GOD, IF NOT IF 300 GIDEONS ARMY COULD FACE 165,000 ASSYRIAN ARMY AND DEFEAT THEM, WHY CANT GOD PROVIDE CARE USING HIS ''TRUE WORSHIPPERS'' WHO ARE TIRELESS?

THE PROBLEM IS THAT TODAY PASTORS HAVE DEVIATED FROM JESUS WARNING,AND CHOOSE THEIR OWN WAYS, HOW DO I MEAN;

Mathew 7:13;

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.


THE WAY TO TRUE LIFE(everlasting) AND UNFORTUNATELY 'FEW HONEST PEOPLE PLY THE ROAD''

I SORRY TO SAY THESE THAT ''GREED'' HAS LED MANY TO ''GO AGAINST THIS PRINCIPLE'' BUT TO ''MULTIPLY'' BECAUSE OF BIG MONEY DONATIONS''THEY COMPROMISED GODS STANDARD,THEY TARGET THE RICH WHO HAVE LITTLE OR NO REGARDS AT ALL FOR GODS  STANDARD,CELEBRATING 'FAILURES' LOOTERS. AND THE WORSE THEY OPPRESS THE POOR.

SAMUEL ASK SAUL WHEN SAUL RESERVE THE BEST ANIMAL FOR HIMSELF WHEN THE INSTRUCTION IS TO DESTROY ALL; read

1 Samuel 15:21,22

21 But the people took of the plunder, sheep and oxen, the best of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice to the Lord your God in Gilgal.”22 So Samuel said:

“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.


THE SAME THING IS BEING PRACTICE IN CHURCHES TODAY.

IT AMAZES ME WHEN PEOPLE DONT TALK OF ''GOOD CONCIENCE TOWARDS GOD IN ALL WE DO'',
SOME DONT CARE ''HOW(the process) THEY GOT THEIR MATERIAL RICHES'' BUT(the product matters)TO THEM

THEY CLAIMED IT IS GODS DOING, EVEN IF YOU OBTAIN WEALTH BY 'FRAUD' SO FAR YOU PRAY AND 'SOW' (according to the modern pastor) .

IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD?

OR IS GOD BLIND TO SEE THOSE 'FRAUD' PROCESS?
Questions begging for answers,

'you cant mock God' 'he sees everything'
GODS TRUE WORSHIP CANNOT BE COMPROMISED.










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Quote from Azibalua

With all the teachings supplied thru earlier post I believe it should be obvious to you that tithes and first fruits are spiritual principles that pre exist the law,and so has nothing to do with the law neither with it's being abolished.

PLS CAN YOU KINDLY SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM WITH BIBLE VERSES THAT; tithes and first fruits are spiritual principles that pre exist the law,and so has nothing to do with the law neither with it's being abolished.

AND PLEASE YOU MUST SUSTAIN YOUR CLAIM THAT ''IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAW, AND SO NOT ABOLISHED''

PLS I CANT WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU. IT WILL BE EXITING,

WAITING PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE.

[b]@ sandpaper,
and Kabirgym, Dawson auto, and Others who are following the tread;Pls lets reason logically

(Malachi 3:10 - Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine HOUSE,and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it).

DO YOU SUPPLY MEAT TO CHURCH IN FORM OF ANIMAL SACRIFICE?
OR

SHOW ME A BIBLE VERSE THAT SHOWS THE ''CONVERSION OF THE ANIMALS AND FOODS ORIGINALLY IN THE CODE TO MONEY'',?

IF GOD REQUIRES MONEY,HE WILL SPECIFY ‘’MONEY’’ AND NOT MEAT ‘’MEAT OR FOOD’’.

FOR EXAMPLE IN BUILDING THE SANCTUARY IN THE TEMPLE IN OLD ISREAL, THE MONEY USED WAS SPECIFIED IN THE LAW COVENANT AND RECORDED,
READ;

EXODUS 38:24;

24 All the gold that was used for the work in all the work of the sanctuary, even the gold of the offering, was twenty and nine talents, and seven hundred and thirty shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary.

FOR CLARITY SAKE, 1 Talent=60 maneh=3000 shekels.

SO,NOTHING STOPS GOD FROM STIPULATING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY REQUIREMENTS.

SO,
THIS PARTICULAR PASSAGE(MALACHI) DOES NOT APPLY TO CHRISTIANS BUT TO THE ‘OLD ISREALITES’ ''UNDER THE LAW COVENANT'' WHO BY BIRTH ARE PRONOUNCED GOD'S SONS ARE AUTHOMATICALLY BOUND BY THIS CODE IN MALACHI,.

NOTE THAT MALACHI IS THE LAST BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT,BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF CHRIST,

(kindly Check the meaning of christians)

THE ''OLD COVENANT'' THAT CONTAINS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices) ''ONLY CONCERN'' THE TRIBE OF LEVI (AS PRIETS TO RECEIVE TITHES FROM OTHER TRIBES OF ISREAL,THE LEVI ARE COMMISSIONED BY ''A WRITTEN COMMANDMENT'' AS CONTAINED IN THE 'LAW COMMANDMENT' AS A GODLY STANDARD ONLY TO THE OLD ISREALITES WHO BY BIRTH ARE ''GODS SONS.

[color=#000099]HEBREW 7;5

5, And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE OLD CONVENANTS,OR COMMANDMENT THAT DEMANDS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices)

''HAVE BEEN ANNULED BY GOD'' DUE TO REASONS NAMELY;( because of its weakness and unprofitableness).
read yourself;

HEBREW 7;18,19.


18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

HAVING ANNUL THE LAW,(due to inneffectiveness evident in the fact that had it been that the people whom the law was given originally which is the isrealites constantly turn away from God to worship other Gods but only try to observe the law commandment selectively 'as a rite' and 'not obligation'.then,

GOD NOW GAVE US JESUS AS A SURETEE OF A BETTER COVENANT, AND ''NOT'' THE OLD COVENANT.

HEBREW 7;22.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT ALL CHRISTIANS INCLUDING YOU AND I AND THOSE ON THIS TREAD WERE NOT CALLED ''SONS OF GOD'' BY BIRTH , LIKE THE OLD ISREALITES WITH THE COVENANT THAT MAKES THEM SONS OF GOD AUTHOMATICALLY BY NATIVE OF OLD ISREAL,but WE CAN ONLY BE REFERED TO AS 'GENTILES' BUT WERE LUCKY TO BE ''GODS SONS'' ONLY IF WE EXERCISE FAITH IN THE RAMSOME SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST,

.HEB 7;24

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.

25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

JESUS NOW HAVE RENDERED THE ''REQUIREMENTS FOR SACRIFICES'' LIKE ''FIRSTFRUITS'' WHICH ALSO INCLUDE FIRST ANIMAL OF THE OLD ISREAL AS FIRSTFRUITS RESERVED FOR ''BURNT SACRIFICES'' IN THE TEMPLE

AS UNNECCESARY NULL VOID AND OF NO EFFECT.

THIS HE DID BY;
HE (JESUS) OFFERING HIMSELF UP ONCE AND FOR ALL (on the turture stake.)

JESUS NOW REPLACES THE POSITION HELD BY THE ''LEVI PRIEST'' AS THE 'HIGH PRIEST BY 'HIMSELF AS THE HIGH PRIEST FOREVER.

'HEBREW 7:27;

27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law,appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

SO JESUS DOES NOT REQUIRE YOUR MEAT,HE DOESN’T NEED DAILY BURNT SACRIFICES OFFERS.

]JESUS DECLARE ‘’WOE’’ TO THOSE PAYING ‘TITHE EXPECIALLY THE JEWISH PHARISEES AND HIGH PRIEST WHY?

Mathew 23;23,

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

THE REASON IS THAT UNDER THE LAW COVENANT,THE PRIESTS (LEVI) WERE PERMITTED TO RECEIVE TITHES,AND PAY TITHES.
READ PLS

HEB 7 :9

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak.

AND THEY (LEVI-PRIESTS) ARE TO USE THE PART OF THE TITHES TO TAKE CARE OF( (to the fatherless and poor), MAKE GOOD JUDGEMENT OR JUSTICE IN EQUALIZING BETWEEN POOR, HAVE MERCY FOR THE POOR AND FAITH IN GOD.

OF WHICH THEY FAILED WOEFULLY,

THE PHARISEES AS PRIEST WOULD ONLY PAY THEIR TITHE AND 'BLOW' THE TRUMPET SO THAT OTHERS WOULDBE FORCED TO PAY TITHES AS REQUIREMENTS,


THIS ABOVE FACT CLEARLY STRESSED THE POINT THAT RENDERS THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT 'INNEFFECTIVE' AND TO BE ANNULLED AND REPLACED,

THE NEED FOR ANNULMENT

JESUS FURTHER DECLARE THAT '' CHANGE'' TO THE PHARISEES AND THE HIGH PRIEST WHO STILL HELD TO THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT,TITHE OFFERINGS FIRSTFRUITS ETC THAT;

MATHEW 21;43-45.

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

AND TO BUTRESS MY POINT THAT 'THE OLD LEVI PRIEST PATTERN' THAT DEMANDS TITHE,FIRSTFRUIT,OFFERINGS FOR SACRIFICES WAS TOTTALLY MEANT TO BE ABANDONED,

GOD MONITORED THAT JESUS WILL NOT COME THROUGH THE TRIBE THAT 'OFFICIATE AS PRIEST' WHICH IS LEVI,BUT JESUS NOW CAME FROM ''A TRIBE WHICH IS NOT LEVI,A TRIBE THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN ANYWAYWHATSOEVER TO RECEIVE TITHE,OFFERINGS,FIRSTFRUIT,ETC.

HEBREW 7;12-15.


12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.

PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?,(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOW WITH ALL THESE GLARING PROOFS,

IT IS NOT A STANDARD FOR TRUE CHRISTIANS TO PRACTICE FIRSTFRUITS TITHE AND OFFERING CONCEPT WHICH ''THERE IS NO BIBLICAL BACKING'' THAT PRONOUNCE THAT THESE TANGIBLE GOODS SHOULD BE CHANGED TO ''CASH''

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING,OR FIRSTFRUITS WERE NOT PRACTICED,IF YOU DOUBT ME QUOTE IT NOW.

DONATIONS WERE PRACTICED HOW?

THE CHRISTIANS DURING PAUL'S ERA CONTRIBUTED MONIES,NOT TITHES AND OFFERINGS BUT THE NEW METHOD UNDER CHRIST 2 COR 8;12

2 COR 8;12

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.

THATS WHY THE WIDOW THAT DROPPED 2 TWO COINS OF LOWER VALUE IN THE TEMPLE WAS PRONOUNCED AS''PUT IN MORE THAN ALL'' HER ''WILLINGNESS WAS APPRECIATED'' AND NOT THE SMALL VALUE OF THE COINS.

''LUKE 21:1-3

1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all;

ITS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT CHRIST IS PORTRAYED AS ''MONEY FRIENDLY'',THAT YOU CAN ONLY ENJOY CHRIST OR FEEL HIM THROUGH MONEY DONATIONS, IS JESUS LIKE THAT?

HEAR HIM WHEN CONFORTING THOSE THAT THE PHARISEE LOADED DOWN WITH THE LAW COMMANDMENT DEMANDS;

Mattew 11,28-30.

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

FOR CHRIST TO BE REAL TO YOU,FOLLOW AND SEARCH HIS WRITTEN WORDS CAREFULLY.
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still waiting for your reply based on bible.

[b]@ omopastor,



THE CONCEPT OF '' BEING POOR'' IS ONE OF THE MOST CONFUSING CONCEPT THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS MUST GET RIGHT ''ONLY IF THEY WANT CHRIST TO BE REAL TO THEM'',

NOW,WHO IS POOR TO JESUS?(Materially rich but spiritually poor, or Spiritually rich but materially poor but with susteinance and good concience)

IT AMAZES ME WHEN PEOPLE DONT TALK OF ''GOOD CONCIENCE TOWARDS GOD IN ALL WE DO'',
SOME DONT CARE ''HOW(the process) THEY GOT THEIR MATERIAL RICHES'' BUT(the product matters)TO THEM IT IS GODS DOING, EVEN IF YOU OBTAIN WEALTH BY 'FRAUD' SO FAR YOU PRAY AND 'SOW' (according to the modern pastor) .

IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD?

OR IS GOD BLIND TO SEE THOSE 'FRAUD' PROCESS?
Questions begging for answers,

'you cant mock God' 'he sees everything'


CHRIST WANT EVERYONE TO CHOOSE THE HEAVENLY RICHES AS A PRIORITY,(where your treasure is,your mind will be,you cant serve two masters.)

HE VIEW THOSE WITH LITTLE MEANS BUT SPIRITUALLY SOUND OR RICH AS ''HAVING TREASURES'' in heaven and acceptable.

 JESUS LIVED HIS LIFE WITHOUT BEING MATERIALLY RICH,(he saves himself from distractions and get focused)

THAT GIVES HIM THE RIGHT TO TELL THE RICH YOUNG RULER TO ( sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heavenn. Then come, follow me.).


MATHEW 19:21,22.

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heavenn. Then come, follow me."

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

IF JESUS WAS  MATERIALLY RICH,THE HE CANNOT STAND TO CRITISIZE THE YOUNG MATERIALY RICH MAN THAT;(  it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."



APOSTLE PAUL ALSO LIVED THE SAME LIFE LIKE JESUS (CHOOSING NOT TO BE MATERIALLY REACH)TO BE EXAMPLE TO OTHERS.  
1 cor 9:27;

27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.


SO,YOU CANT BE ROME,MORE THAN THE POPE SIR.


THE CONCEPT OF MATERIAL RICHES DOES NOT IN ANYWAYWHATSOEVER CHRIST TEACHING AS EVIDENCE OF GODS RIGHTEOUSNESS,

BUT THE MODERN DAY PASTORS ''FABRICATED'' AND PROMOTE THE CONCEPT USING ''PHYLOSOPHICAL BOOKS OUTSIDE THE BIBLE TEACHINGS AND THEY WOULD ARRANGE FOR PRE-MEDITATED TESTIMONIES TO SUIT THEIR CLAIM,

BUT HEAR THIS CLEAR WARNINGS;

(See what paul apostle said about philosophy and unscriptual source of understanding the bible)

Colosians 2:8,9.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

PROVIDE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE TO SUIT YOUR CONCEPT IN YOUR REPLY.
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@ joeagbaje,

This particular post below (on page (4) of this thread is credited to you, i insist, you actually posted it February 04, 2012, 11:17 PM.

That serves as my refference.

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Re: Giving My Firstfruit This Sunday - So Exciting!
« #127 on: February 04, 2012, 11:17 PM »
Quote from: plaetton on February 04, 2012, 10:44 PM
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@omopastor:
Since you refused to directly answer my question, let me put it another way.If i decide to regularly give a portion of my earnings to the poor and not church,am I giving to god or not and will god be pissed off cos am not giving it to church or pastor?

Let me contribute here. There are about 5 major givings in the bible . Such as , Giving to God, giving for projects, giving to the poor,giving to parents etc. We ought to do all these givings without leaving one for the other. They all have their blessings

Matthew 23:23
. . . for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


There has to be a balance.

MY POINT IS THAT, YOU QUOTED A PARTICULAR BIBLE VERSE (MATHEW 23;23) USING (king james version) ORIGINALLY,
BUT OMITTED THE FIRST PART OF THE SAME VERSE THAT SAYS ''WOE TO YOU''
your emphasis according to you is on ''balance''.but the verse is never complete without the whole part to form a complete sentence.

YOU SEEM NOT TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH ''WOE TO YOU'' BY OMMITING IT. IF NOT,ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF (Living Translation (2007)) when you quoted originally from king james version KJV.

Pls, lets handle the word of truth aright.

THATS THE POINT.

[b]@ FXKing2012.

joagbaje has surprised me by quoting mathew 23:23; in the new testament to butress his point about paying tithe, please read;,

joagbaje's quote;

Matthew 23:23
. . .  for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

NOW READ THE FULL SENTENCE AS IT APPEARS IN FULL IN THE BIBLE; COMPARE THEM PLS;

Mathew 23;23,

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

THE MAIN CLAUSE OF THE SENTENCE;( “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!)

WAS REMOVED,WHICH IS THE CLAUSE THAT CONTAIN THE REAL MESSAGE WHERE JESUS ''CURSED THE CHIEF PRIESTS THAT ''WOE TO YOU''AND HYPOCRYTES,

and therefore renders the rest ''sub-ordinate sentence contained in the paragraph( For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.) without meaning as it cant stand alone.



THE REASON WHY JESUS DECLARE WOE TO THE PHARISEES WHO ARE ALSO JEWISH PRIEST IS THAT UNDER THE LAW COVENANT,THE PRIESTS (LEVI) WERE PERMITTED TO RECEIVE TITHES,AND PAY TITHES.

HEB 7 9-10,

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,

10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him

AND THEY (LEVI-PRIESTS) ARE TO USE THE PART OF THE TITHES TO TAKE CARE OF( (to the fatherless and poor), MAKE GOOD JUDGEMENT OR JUSTICE BETWEEN THE RICH AND POOR, HAVE MERCY FOR THE POOR AND FAITH IN GOD.

OF WHICH THEY FAILED WOEFULLY,

THE PHARISEES AS PRIEST WOULD ONLY PAY THEIR TITHE AND 'BLOW' THE TRUMPET SO THAT OTHERS WOULDBE  FORCED  TO PAY TITHES AS REQUIREMENTS,

Mathew 23:24;jesus stressed this by saying;

24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!  

FOR THAT ACT ALONE JESUS DECLARE THEIR ACTION AS ''HYPOCRYTES'' BY STICKING TO THE TITHE OF THE OLD LAW.AND ARE HYPOCRYTES BECAUSE THEY DONT WORK AT ALL,BUT 'JUST REMOVE TEHTH PART OF THE TITHE THEY EXTORTED TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN TITHE,AND THEN MAKE NOICE AND ANNOUNCE TO EVERYBODY.

THAT THEY ARE ALSO HYPOCRYTES APPLYING PARTLY A LAW THAT ''SUIT THEM OR ENRICH'' THEM IN A SELECTED MANNER, BUT REFUSED TO ALSO APPLY THE PURPOSE  THAT THE LAW{TITHE UNDER MOSES}WAS ESTABLISHED BOUND AND  CONTAINED IN SAME OLD LAW COVENANT THAT ALSO CONTAIN THE TITHE COVENANT IN SAME MANNER.

HEB 7-18,19 AND 22. ASSERTS THAT;

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

THIS KNOWLEDGE MAKES JESUS DECLARE TO THE PHARISEE AND THE CHIEF PRIESTS THAT;

MATHEW 21;43-45.

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

JESUS THEREFORE CAST WOE TO THEM FOR FAILING TO RECOGNISE THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT BY STILL STURBORNLY STICK TO THE OLD LAW COVENANT.


PLEASE YOU CAN COPY AND SAVE ALL THIS ASSERTIONS TO VERIFY FROM YOUR BIBLE AND ALSO TESTIFY TO THE ''LOGICAL TRUTH AS IT IS BEING UNFOLD''

let all Glory be directed only to God,for the knowledge and not to us humans.Thanks.


 
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WHY THE ''FIRST FRUIT'' CONCEPT SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED BY TRUE CHRISTIANS AS IT  IS NOT MEANT FOR CHRISTIANS,BUT USED BY 'SOME INDIVIDUALS WITH HIDDEN CRIMINAL MOTIVES' TO MISLEAD AND EXTORT THOSE WITH GOOD MOTIVES  TO SERVE GOD BUT HAVE LITTLE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GODS REQUIREMENTS.

HOW DO I MEAN?

WHAT IS THE ''FIRSTFRUIT'' AS USED IN THE BIBLE CONTEXT?

ANS; THE HEBREW WORD OF 'FIRSTFRUITS'  (re.shit) and greek (a.par.khe)

refers to; first ripe fruits of;

(a)Man,, ( Must be male firstborn, and must be redeemed for Gods temple services, kept sacred never to marry throughout his lifetime)

(b) Animal,, (firstborn male animal will be slaughtered and the blood sprinkle around the alter in the temple and special attention is directed to the priest to remove the fats in the belly and burn towards heaven.

(c) fruitage of the ground, (The firtfruits of fruits and seeds will be brought to the doorstep of the temple,and must be receive the levi who according to the ''law covenant'' are entrusted with the oversight.

Read Exodus13:1,2and 13;

1, Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2 “Consecrate to Me all the firstborn, whatever opens the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and beast; it is Mine.

13 But every firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb; and if you will not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. And all the firstborn of man among your sons you shall redeem.


NOW, QUESTIONS BEGGING FOR ANSWERS ARE;

HOW DO YOU QUANTIFY THESE FIRSTFRUITS (a,b and c above) AS APPROPRIATE IN PROPORTION TO CASH VALUES WHEN NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT ''AN ALTERNATIVE OR CONVERSION OF FIRSTFRUIT  TO CASH VALUE AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL INSTRUCTION?

HOW DO YOU QUANTIFY (a)above, HUMAN FIRSTBORN MALE WHO AUTOMATICALLY MUST BE REDEEMED TO TEMPLE AND BARED FOR LIFE NOT TO MARRY.HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A WHOLE HUMAN AS FIRSTFRUIT?

WHY DONT PEOPLE PAYING FOR FIRSTFRUIT ALSO DONATE THEIR FIRST MALE CHILD FOREVER NEVER TO GET MARRIED BUT SERVE THE LORD THROUGHOUT LIFE IN CHURCHES.

TO ACCEPT AND BENEFIT FULLY  FROM THE RAMSOM SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST,WE MUST ACCEPT WHAT JESUS HAS REMOVED AS ''YOKES AND BURDENS'' OF REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE LAW COVENANT,

JESUS NOW HAVE RENDERED THE ''REQUIREMENTS FOR SACRIFICES'' LIKE ''FIRSTFRUITS'' WHICH ALSO INCLUDE FIRST ANIMAL OF THE OLD ISREAL AS FIRSTFRUITS  RESERVED FOR ''BURNT SACRIFICES'' IN THE TEMPLE AS UNNECCESARY NULL VOID AND OF NO EFFECT.THIS HE DID BY;

 (JESUS OFFERING HIMSELF AS SACRIFICE UP ONCE AND FOR ALL)
JESUS NOW REPLACES THE POSITION HELD BY THE  ''LEVI PRIEST'' AS THE 'HIGH PRIEST  BY 'HIMSELF AS THE HIGH PRIEST FOREVER.

SO JESUS ''DOES NOT NEED THESE FIRST FRUITS,OR OTHER SACRIFICIAL REQUIREMENTS,'Read pls

HEB 7;27

27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.


AND TO CONFIRM JESUS SUPERIORITY OVER THE LAW COVENANT;

HEB 7;22-24.;

22,  by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO STAY ALERT AND NOT FOLD THEIR ARMS,THINKING THAT THEY ARE SERVING GOD BY ALLOWING UNDUE EXTORTION OF THEIR MONIES INTO THE WRONG POCKET .

CHRISTIANS ARE TO TAKE THE FULL RESPONSIBILITY TO ''TEST MAYBE THE SPIRIT THEY OPERATE WITH ORIGINATE FROM GOD,THIS THEY CAN DO BY WIDENING THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND READ THE BIBLE BY THEIRSELF

READ THE WARNINGS YOURSELF,1 John 4:1

1, Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

”1 Samuel 15:22-23

22 But Samuel replied:

  “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
  as much as in obeying the LORD?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
  and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
  and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
  he has rejected you as king.”


Matthew 7:21

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.


(2 Peter 2:1-3)

However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit YOU with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

BE WARNED AND MAKE SURE YOU DONT FALL INTO THE TRAP ANYMORE, DONT BE CARRIED AWAY BY CHEAP PRE-MEDIDATED ''TESTIMONIES'', IT IS NOT EVEN USED BY JESUS BUT MODERN DAYS PASTORS. ASK QUESTIONS,AND NEVER STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND DONT GIVE IN TO ''EMPTY THREATS''

THANKS.

[b]THE ''OLD COVENANT'' THAT CONTAINS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices) ''ONLY CONCERN'' THE TRIBE OF LEVI (AS PRIETS TO RECEIVE TITHES FROM OTHER TRIBES OF ISREAL,THE LEVI ARE COMMISSIONED BY ''A WRITTEN COMMANDMENT'' AS CONTAINED IN THE 'LAW COMMANDMENT' AS A GODLY STANDARD ONLY TO THE OLD ISREALITES WHO BY BIRTH ARE ''GODS SONS.

HEBREW 7;5

[color=#000099]   Verse 5, And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham.
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BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE OLD CONVENANTS,OR COMMANDMENT THAT DEMANDS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS,(firstfruits.Tithes,offerings,burnt sacrifices)   ''HAVE BEEN ANNULED BY GOD'' DUE TO REASONS because of its weakness and unprofitableness).read yourself

HEBREW 7;18,19.


18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

HAVING ANNUL THE LAW,(due to inneffectiveness evident in the fact that had it been that the people whom the law was given originally which is the isrealites constantly turn away from God to worship other Gods but only try to observe the law commandment selectively 'as a rite' and 'not obligation'.
GOD NOW GAVE US JESUS AS A SURETEE OF A BETTER COVENANT, AND ''NOT'' THE OLD COVENANT.

HEBREW 7;22.

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT ALL CHRISTIANS INCLUDING YOU AND I AND THOSE ON THIS TREAD WERE NOT CALLED ''SONS OF GOD'' BY BIRTH, LIKE THE OLD ISREALITES WITH THE COVENANT THAT MAKES THEM SONS OF GOD AUTHOMATICALLY BY NATIVE OF OLD ISREAL, WE CAN ONLY BE REFERED TO AS 'GENTILES' BUT WERE LUCKY TO BE ''GODS SONS'' ONLY IF WE EXERCISE FAITH IN THE RAMSOME SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST,


.HEB 7;24

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

JESUS NOW HAVE RENDERED THE ''REQUIREMENTS FOR SACRIFICES'' LIKE ''FIRSTFRUITS'' WHICH ALSO INCLUDE FIRST ANIMAL OF THE OLD ISREAL AS FIRSTFRUITS  RESERVED FOR ''BURNT SACRIFICES'' IN THE TEMPLE AS UNNECCESARY NULL VOID AND OF NO EFFECT.THIS HE DID BY;

 (JESUS OFFERING HIMSELF UP ONCE AND FOR ALL)
JESUS NOW REPLACES THE POSITION HELD BY THE  ''LEVI PRIEST'' AS THE 'HIGH PRIEST  BY 'HIMSELF AS THE HIGH PRIEST FOREVER.'

HEB 7;27

27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

JESUS BLATANTLY CURSED THE ISREAL OR JEWISH PHARISEES AND HIGH PRIEST WHY?

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING IS NOT PRACTICED,AND JESUS EVEN REBUKE OR CAST WOE ON THOSE WHO PAY IN THE NAME OF TITHE,

WHILE LEAVING THE GREATER THINGS THAT TITHE WAS FORMALLY INTRODUCED TO CORRECT 'UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW WHICH IS;

JUSTICE(to the fatherless and poor),MERCY AND FAITH.JESUS CHALENGED THEM THAT LETS ASSUME THAT PAYING TITHE UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW IS WHAT THEY STILL HELD AS BELIEF,THEN THEY ARE HYPOCRYTES APPLYING PARTLY A LAW THEY CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN A SELECTED MANNER, LEAVING THE PURPOSE THAT THE LAW{TITHE UNDER MOSES}WAS ESTABLISHED. Read Mathew 23;23

Mathew 23;23,

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!  

THIS ABOVE FACT CLEARLY STRESSED THE POINT THAT RENDERS THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT 'INNEFFECTIVE' AND TO BE ANNULLED AND REPLACED,

JESUS FURTHER DECLARE THE ''THE CHANGE'' TO THE PHARISEES AND THE HIGH PRIEST WHO STILL HELD TO THE OLD LAW COMMANDMENT,TITHE OFFERINGS FIRSTFRUITS ETC THAT;

MATHEW 21;43-45.

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.

AND TO BUTRESS MY POINT THAT 'THE OLD LEVI PRIEST PATTERN' THAT DEMANDS TITHE,FIRSTFRUIT,OFFERINGS FOR SACRIFICES WAS TOTTALLY MEANT TO BE  ABANDONED,

GOD MONITORED THAT JESUS WILL NOT COME THROUGH THE TRIBE THAT 'OFFICIATE AS PRIEST' WHICH IS LEVI,BUT JESUS NOW CAME FROM ''A TRIBE WHICH IS NOT LEVI,A TRIBE THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN ANYWAYWHATSOEVER TO RECEIVE TITHE,OFFERINGS,FIRSTFRUIT,ETC.

HEBREW 7;12-15.

 
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.

PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?,(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOW WITH ALL THESE GLARING PROOFS,IT IS NOT A STANDARD FOR TRUE CHRISTIANS TO PRACTICE FIRSTFRUITS TITHE AND OFFERING CONCEPT WITH ''THERE IS NO BIBLICAL BACKING'' THAT PRONOUNCE THAT THESE TANGIBLE GOODS SHOULD BE CHANGED TO ''CASH''

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING,OR FIRSTFRUITS WERE  NOT PRACTICED,IF YOU DOUBT ME QUOTE IT NOW.

DONATIONS WERE PRACTICED HOW?

 THE CHRISTIANS DURING PAUL'S ERA CONTRIBUTED MONIES,NOT TITHES AND OFFERINGS BUT THE NEW METHOD UNDER CHRIST 2 COR 8;12

2 COR 8;12

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.

THATS WHY THE WIDOW THAT DROPPED 2 TWO COINS OF LOWER VALUE IN THE TEMPLE WAS PRONOUNCED AS''PUT IN MORE THAN ALL'' HER ''WILLINGNESS WAS APPRECIATED'' AND NOT THE SMALL VALUE OF THE COINS.

''LUKE 21:1-3

1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all;







IS THIS BEEN PRACTICED IN CHURCHES  TODAY?

ITS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT CHRIST PORTRAYED AS ''MONEY FRIENDLY'',THAT YOU CAN ONLY ENJOY CHRIST OR FEEL HIM THROUGH MONEY DEMANDS, IS JESUS LIKE THAT? HEAR HIM WHEN CONFORTING THOSE THAT THE PHARISEE LOADED DOWN WITH THE LAW COMMANDMENT DEMANDS;

Mattew 11,28-30.

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

FOR CHRIST TO BE REAL TO YOU,FOLLOW AND SEARCH  HIS WRITTEN WORDS CAREFULLY.





''LUKE 21:1-3

1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all;





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[b]1. The Court held that though it is morally wrong, morally indefensible and morally insensitive for the members of the House of Representatives led by Bankole and Nafada to have increased their “running costs” from N27million per quarter, per member, to N42million, it did not amount to a criminal offence but a moral wrong. The court reasoned that the legislature, being a different arm of government, the Revenue Mobilization Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC) cannot fix the “running costs” for members of the House of Representatives. They are at liberty to increase their “running costs” to whatever amount they so collectively wish.

ON WHAT GROUND WAS THE CASE FILED,CRIMINAL OR CIVIL CASE, THE JUDGE GAVE HIS JUDGEMENT BASED ON CRIMINAL CHARGE FILED BY KEYAMO,SO WHY THE NOICE,YOU CANT EAT YOUR CAKE AND HAVE IT BACK,KEYAMO KNEW THAT FILLING THE CASE AS CIVIL CASE WILL BE APPROPRIATE,BUT CHOOSE THE CRIMINAL OPTION WHICH ALSO INVOLVE EMBARASSING OR IMMIDIATE ARRESTS OF BANKOLE AND CO TO BOOST HIS EGO,GOOD KEYAMO MAKES HIMSELF PORPULAR BY ''RECEIVING HIS GLORY EARLY'' AS AN ACTION LAWYER,BUT HIS POINT MISSED THE TARGET,HIS POINT WOULD HAVE BEST SUIT BANKOLE IF IT WERE CIVIL CASE, CAN SOMEONE TELLS KEYAMO TO STOP CONFUSING PEOPLE HERE PLS.

PAR 1,JUDGEMENT BASED ON THE GROUNDS SEEK BY THE COUNSEL, KEYAMO.

2,2. The court held that Bankole and Nafada could not be held for criminal breach of trust because constitutionally, their powers do not include control of the Accounts of the House of Representatives, therefore they are not “entrusted” with those accounts. While the court agreed that Bankole was actually the approving authority regarding expenditure, in conjunction with the Clerk of the House of Representatives, the Court said this was only an illegal usurpation of the powers of the Clerk of the House of Representatives.

THE USURPATION OF POWERS HERE WERE LIMITED TO THE CLERK, AND THAT THE APROVING AUTHORITY ENJOYED BY BANKOLE DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO MISUSING THAT POWER HE USURPED,SINCE ITS STATED CLEARLY THAT( ]their powers do not include control of the Accounts of the House of Representatives, therefore they are not “entrusted” with those accounts.).

3,KEYAMO IS STATING ''STRICT FINANCIAL REGULATION NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONSTITUTION AS A STANDARD''
SO BANKOLE AND CO ARE NOT BOUND BY SUCH STANDARD AS IT IS NOT INCLUDED.

4,IF HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE LOAN IS BEEN PAID,REMAININ FEW,THEN APPROXIMATELY THW LOAN CAN BE BETTER REFFERED TO AS PAID.

KEYAMO,KEYAMO.BE WARNED.
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As it is now,Nigeria has no league,NFF has been nulified for using fake name,SIASIA CARRY GO.

that shows how powerfull it is to be ''brainwash''

[b]IT WILL SHOCK YOU THAT EVEN IF JESUS HIMSELF COMES DOWN TO APPEAL TO THESE PARTICULAR FOLLOWERS,THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN,BECAUSE JESUS MINISTRY IS NOT THE ACTRACTIVE TYPE, JESUS WARNED HIS FOLLOWERS THAT IN CHOOSING A PLACE OF WORSHIP,(LIKE CHURCH) WHICH HE LIKENS TO 'GATE', HE WARNED THAT ''THE BEST WAY IS THE NARROW WAY'' AGAINST TODAYS CHURCH ''COMMANDING CROWD''BUT PEOPLE OUT OF IGNORANCE CHOOSE TO DISOBEY JESUS,AND FOLLOW THE BROAD GATE TO THEIR PERIL.

EVEN JESUS SAID HE WILL DISOWN PROPHETS WHO PERFORM WONDERS ''IN HIS NAME'' BUT THEY BLINDLY FOLLOW,

Mat 17:13,15,22,23;


13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves

22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’. [/b]

THE CONCEPT OF '' BEING POOR'' IS ONE OF THE MOST CONFUSING CONCEPT THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS MUST GET RIGHT ''ONLY IF THEY WANT CHRIST TO BE REAL TO THEM'',

CHRIST WANT EVERYONE TO CHOOSE THE HEAVENLY RICHES AS A PRIORITY,(where your treasure is,your mind will be,you cant serve two masters.)

JESUS WAS ABUNDANTLY RICH IN HEAVEN,IN GOOD DEEDS AND AGREE TO SUFFER SHAME IN RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE,
AFTER JESUS HEAVENLY RICHES,OR 'TREASURES IN HEAVEN'' JESUS WANT US TO LEARN FROM HIS SIMPLE LIFE APPROACH WHICH ALSO MAY TRANSLATE 'THROUGH HIS POVERTY' HE SERVES AS A MODEL FOR US TO FOLLOW AND BE RICH IN 'TREASURES IN HEAVEN'.

JESUS LIVED HIS LIFE WITHOUT BEING MATERIALLY RICH,THAT GIVES HIM THE RIGHT TO TELL THE RICH YOUNG RULER TO ( sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heavenn. Then come, follow me.).


MATHEW 19:21,22.

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heavenn. Then come, follow me." 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

[color=#000099]IF JESUS WAS MATERIALLY RICH,THE HE CANNOT STAND TO CRITISIZE THE YOUNG MATERIALY RICH MAN THAT;( it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."



APOSTLE PAUL ALSO LIVED THE SAME LIFE LIKE JESUS (CHOOSING NOT TO BE MATERIALLY REACH)TO BE EXAMPLE TO OTHERS.
1 cor 9:27;

27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

@ E.nosa,

Bros

DO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE PASTORS GOT THEIRSELVES IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE? BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO HEED THE WARNING FOR THE 'REQUIREMENTS OF AN OVERSEERS;(bishop,pastors.etc.),BUT ALLOW GREEDINESS TO OVERTAKE THEIR ASPIRATIONS.AND SO FALL INTO PUBLIC REPROACH; ( To express disapproval of, criticism of, or disappointment in (someone))  read yourself;1 Tim 3; 7.

(Verse 7, Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.[/color]

IT WILL INTEREST YOU THAT THE BIBLE 'STATES THE REQUIREMENTS' USING THE WORD ''MUST BE BLAMELESS'' IS A COMMAND,AND NOT AN ADMONITION. AND TO CAP IT ALL, HE MUST HAVE A GOOD TESTIMONY ''NOT FROM THE CHURCH MEMBERS OR FRIENDS BUT ''THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE''.READ OTHER ''MUST BE'' REQ.

1 TIMOTHY 3:2,3and 7. Reads,

2, A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;

7, Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

CANT YOU SEE THAT GODS WORD ''IS COMPLETE'' FAILURE TO LIVE WITH THE STANDARD,CHRIST WILL NEVER 'BE REAL' TO  YOU,YOU EVENTUALLY SUFFER THE CONSEQUENT FALLING PREY TO ''EMPTY DECEPTION''.

[b]SOME OF THE QUESTIONABLE MEN OF GOD.

1. PASTOR. DAVID OYEDEPO AND PASTOR MRS FAITH ABIOLA OYEDEPO.
2. REV. CHRIS OYAKHILOME AND (PASTOR MRS ANITA OYAKHILOME.DIRECTOR CHRIST EMBASSY U.K.)
3. PASTOR PAUL ADEFARASIN AND PASTOR MRS IFEANYI ADEFARASIN
4. PASTOR ADEBOYE AND PASTOR MRS FOLU ADEBOYE
5. PROPHET T B JOSHUA AND EVANGELIST MRS EVELYN JOSHUA
6. PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAFOR AND (PASTOR MRS HELEN ORITSEJAFOR.C.E.O, EAGLE FLIGHT MICRO FINANCE BANK)

WHAT IS COMMON TO THE ABOVE IS ''WOMAN BECOMING A PASTOR UNDER A PARTICULAR SETTING OUTSIDE THE BIBLE DOCTRINES'',

BUT FIRST,

LET'S  SEE THE BIBLE REQUIREMENT OF ''WHO BECOMES A GENERAL OVERSEER''1 TIMOTHY 3:1-7;1 Timothy 3

Qualifications of Overseers

1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

IT WILL INTEREST YOU THAT BIBLE REQUIREMENTS OF OVERSEERS,BISHOP OR PASTORS INCLUDES,THAT;

1 TIMOTHY 3:1-7.reads

1,HE MUST BE BLAMELESS,

2,NOT GREEDY OF MONEY,

3,AND MUST HAVE GOOD TESTIMONY FROM AMONG THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE.

NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT WOMEN TO BECOME PASTORS,BISHOPS OR LEADERS OVER MEN,ITS NOT MEANT TO BE HIDDEN,IF NOT IT WILL NOT BE IN MY BIBLE AND YOUR OWN BIBLE.


AND THEN,

''WOMAN BECOMING A PASTOR'', IS IT BIBLICAL?,

2,DOES IT CRIMINALLY VIOLATE THE STANDARD SET BY THE EARLY CHRISTIAN THAT ARE CONFIRMED AS THE FIRST CHRISTIANS? READ YOURSELVES,

1 Timothy 2:11,12.

11, Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.

12, And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34, Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.

35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church,

THEN DO THESE PASTORS ABOVE ACTIVITIES IN SETTING UP GODS CHURCH NOT QUESTIONABLE?

WHICH BIBLICAL RULES OR STANDARD WERE USED TO APPOINT WIFE OF A PASTOR AS QUALIFIED PASTOR,AND AUTHOMATICALLY INSTALLED ABOVE OTHER SAME CHURCH LOWER MEN PASTORS, THIS WIFE OF THE SENIOR PASTOR DOUBLES AS THE SECOND IN COMMAND  THE GENERAL OVERSEERS OR SENIOR PASTORS, AND SHE IS SIGNATORY TO ALL CHURCH FUNDS IN THE BANKS.

CAN ANYONE JUST SET UP WHAT HE WANTS IN THE NAME OF CHURCH?

OR,

ARE WE RUNNING A PROFITABLE COMPANY?

THERE WAS NO BIBLE PROVISION SPECIFIED FOR WOMEN TO BECOME PASTOR AND IT CRIMINALLY VIOLATES CHRISTIANITY,SHAMEFULLY IT IS JUST MEANT TO PROTECT A PARTICULAR PASTORS FAMILY WEALTH,IF NOT WHY REPLACING A STANDARD MEANT FOR MEN LEADERS FOR WOMEN TO FUFIL A FAMILY LEGACY,ITS QUESTIONABLE AND DEMAND LOGICAL ANSWERS,

PROVE ME WRONG FROM THE BIBLE PLS .



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[b]WHICH BIBLICAL RULES OR STANDARD WERE USED TO APPOINT WIFE OF A PASTOR AS NOT ONLY QUALIFIED PASTOR,BUT AUTHOMATICALLY INSTALLED ABOVE OTHER SAME CHURCH LOWER MEN PASTORS, THIS WIFE OF THE SENIOR PASTOR DOUBLES AS THE SECOND IN COMMAND,SIGNATORY TO ALL CHURCH FUNDS IN THE BANKS. [/b]

1. pastor. David Oyedepo and Pastor Mrs Faith Abiola Oyedepo.
2. Rev. Chris Oyakhilome and (Pastor Mrs Anita Oyakhilome.director Christ Embassy u.k.)
3. Pastor Paul Adefarasin and Pastor Mrs Ifeanyi Adefarasin
4. Pastor Adeboye and Pastor Mrs Folu Adeboye
5. Prophet T B Joshua and Evangelist Mrs Evelyn joshua
6. Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor and (Pastor Mrs Helen oritsejafor.C.E.O, Eagle flight micro finance bank)

ARE WOMEN PERMITTED UNDER THE EARLY CHRISTIAN RULES AND REGULATIONS TO LEAD THE CHURCH?

@East,

TO COMPLETE THE PERFECTION ISSUE BY CHRIST TO THE YOUNG RICH RULER CONSIDER, ABOVE;HEBREW 7;11,12.

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HUMANS TRADITIONS AND STANDARD,IT CAN ALSO MEAN NOT APPRECIATING JESUS RANSOME SACRIFICE TO THE FULL, AND GODS REAL PURPOSE THROUGH CHRIST, BESIDES CHRIST MAY NOT BE REAL TO YOU IF YOU STILL WALK THE OLD WAY,JUST READ THIS;

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

[b]@East,

IT IS MY DUTY, TO SHARE GODS TRUE WORDS FROM THE BIBLE WITH YOU AND EVERYONE,

Your quote

You"If I'm taught to pay my tithe and offerings
as a means of worshipping God and not as a way to excape punishment or force blessings out of his hands, there ain't nothing wrong in it".

IT WILL INTEREST YOU THAT THERE IS A STANDARD FOR ALL TRUE CHRISTIAN TO FOLLOW,JESUS SET THE STANDARD,AND HIS APOSTLES(PETER,JOHN,MARK,APOSTLE PAUL etc) FOLLOWED IT RELIGIOUSLY WITHOUT COMPROMISE,

CONSIDER THE YOUNG MATERIALLY RICH MAN WHO CAME TO JESUS, HE THOUGHT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PERFECTION COMES THROUGH ONLY ''KEEPING THE MOSES LAW'',WHICH HE SAID HE HAD KEPT FROM YOUTH,

BUT HEAR JESUS REPLY AS TO WHAT HE MUST DO TO BE PERFECT,;MATTEW 19;20-24.

20 "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?" 21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heavenn. Then come, follow me." 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

REFUSAL OF THIS MAN TO LIVE WITH GODS STANDARD BY JESUS MAKES JESUS REMARK;

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FOLLOW GODS STANDARD AS SET OUT FROM THE BIBLE, NOT TO SATISFY ANY MAN BUT ONLY THE TRUE GOD, IT WILL AMOUNT TO FOLLOWING 'HUMANS STANDARD' AND NOT 'GODS ACCURATE STANDARD AFTER YOU SEE THE TRUTH BUT CHOOSE TO CONTINUE THE OLD WAY.

DONT DEPEND ON THE 3RD PARTY(OR PASTORS WHO OFTEN USE PHILOSOPHY IDEAS TO EXPLAIN THE BIBLE,AND THAT IS THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE GET CONFUSED,(See what paul apostle said about philosophy and unscriptual source of understanding the bible)

Colosians 2:8,9.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
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[b]@Habiolah,

MALACHI IS THE LAST BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT ,THE NEW TESTAMENT STARTS FROM MATHEW,CONFIRM THAT NOW,

OLD TESTAMENT IS RELEVANT TO US AS CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THROUGH ABRAHAM(whose name is also isreal)NATION OF ISREAL(who by birth automatically are Gods people) RECEIVE  THE PROMISE,JESUS CAME THROUGH THE LINEAGE OF ABRAHAM TO FUFIL THE PROMISE,  TRANSFORMED INTO THE BETTER GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS,THAT OPEN THE DOOR FOR US(who are not originally Gods son,but gentiles,also known as NON JEWS)  TO ENJOY THE GRACE, PLS READ THE BIBLE YOURSELF;,


Romans 8:3 reads,;

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh.

Hebrew 7:18,19

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

DONT DEPEND ON THE 3RD PARTY(OR PASTORS WHO OFTEN USE PHILOSOPHY IDEAS  TO EXPLAIN THE BIBLE,AND THAT IS THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE GET CONFUSED,(See what paul apostle said about philosophy and unscriptual source of understanding the bible)

Colosians 2:8,9.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,



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[b]@ olowolekan,

MALACHI IS THE LAST BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT,CONFIRM THAT NOW,

OLD TESTAMENT HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED INTO THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS,AND TO ENJOY THE GRACE PLS READ THE BIBLE YOURSELF,DONT DEPEND ON THE 3RD PARTY TO FORM A DECISION,Romans 8:3 reads,;

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh.

WHERE ON EARTH DO YOU SEE YOUR QUOTES OUTSIDE THE SCRIPTURES FOR GOD SAKE? JUST SEE YOUR SOURCE OF QUOTES;(Malaysian Korean Samoan German Thai Portuguese)

NOW LISTEN TO THESE WARNINGS;

REVELATION 22: 16-21,

16, I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.[m] Amen.

PLEASE STOP RESORTING TO THREATS OR SOMETHING NOT FROM THE BIBLE. THOSE WHO DO THAT HAVE VERY WEAK FAITH.





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[b] AND ALL WHO ARE PATIENTLY FOLLOWING THE TREAD

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT IF THESE RICH PASTORS ARE TRULLY OF GOD,THEY WILL NOT BE CRITICISED ONLY IF THEY ''LIMIT THEIR SPENDINGS ON JUST BASICS NEEDS;,[FOOD,CLOTH AND SHELTER],BUT NOT WANTS;[EXPENSIVE LUZURY FLEET OF CARS,QUESTIONABLE FUNDS TO RUN MEGA BUSINESSES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS OF WHO CANNOT EVEN AFFORD BASICS]

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT APOSTLE PAUL 'IS TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT TO BASIC NEEDS,IT IS ACCORDING TO AN ESTABLISHED RULE OF LAW[MOSES LAW].read;1corinthians 9:8

8, Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

BUT DID APOSTLE PAUL BLINDLY TAKE THESE ADVANTAGE PROVIDED UNDER THE MOSES LAW?

pls  read;con'td 1cor,9;15-19.[repeat]

verse 15-19

15, But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me. I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of this boast.

16 Yet when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!
17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me.

18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.

19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. But I have not used any of these rights.

IT WILL SURPRISE YOU WHY PAUL CHOOSE NOT TO 'USE THE RIGHT PROVIDED UNDER MOSES LAW' BECAUSE THE ARRIVAL OF JESUS CHRIST  OUR LORD HAS CHANGED AND ANNULLED ALL THE PRIESTHOOD [LEVI] RIGHTS AS CONTAINED IN THE MOSES LAW,how do i mean,

read;Hebrews 7:11

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.

PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?,(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOTE THE CONNECTION OF A AND B ABOVE,in Verse 21;

21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:


   “ The LORD has sworn
     And will not relent,

     ‘ You are a priest forever[d]
     According to the order of Melchizedek’”),

AND TO PROVE WHY GOD CHOOSE TO MAKE JESUS COME ACCORDING FROM A TRIBE THAT DO NOT OFFICIATE under MOSES BUT RATHER 'BY ONE WHO OFFICIATE BY AN OATH' SHOWS ''AN ANNULLEMENT'' OF A LAW CODE FROM MOSES BECAUSE OF ITS WEAKNESS,read;verse 18;

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Greatness of the New Priest

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath.

THROUGH JESUS WE WERE 'DRAWN TO GOD' {ransom sacrifice of his blood}HE BECAME 'A SURETEE OF A BETTER COVENANT THAT DO NOT RESTRICT ONLY JEWS AS THE ONLY SONS OF GOD BUT THROUGH 'THE GRACE' THE DOOR IS OPENED TO US. Verse 22,23 AND HIS COVENANT {NOT THE MOSES PENAL CODE THAT RESTRICTS ,BUT THROUGH THE HEART'S CIRCUMCISION,THATS SUMMARIZES ALL VIRTUES TO 2 LAWS,LOVE OF GOD,AND LOVE OF NEIGBOR} REMAINS FOREVER AND UNCHANGEABLE.YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT JESUS CURED ON THE SABBATH,HE DEMOSTRATES THE NEW LAW THAT REPLACES THE MOSES LAW THAT RESTRICTS THAT ON SABBATH DAY.


22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING IS NOT PRACTICED,AND JESUS EVEN REBUKE OR CAST WOE ON THOSE WHO PAY IN THE NAME OF TITHE,WHILE LEAVING THE GREATER THINGS THAT TITHE WAS FORMALLY INTRODUCED TO CORRECT 'UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW WHICH IS,JUSTICE,MERCY AND FAITH.JESUS CHALENGED THEM THAT LETS ASSUME THAT PAYING UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW IS WHAT THEY BELIEF,THEN THEY ARE HYPOCRYTES APPLYING PARTLY A LAW THEY CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN A SELECTED MANNER, LEAVING THE PURPOSE THAT THE LAW{TITHE UNDER MOSES}WAS ESTABLISHED. Read Mathew 23;23

Mathew 23;23,

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

JUST COMPARE JESUS STATEMENT TO THESE PHARISEE AND COMPARE TO WHAT THE RICH PASTORS ARE DOING TODAY YOU SEE THAT THEY HAVE CHOOSE TO BE WHAT JESUS SAY ABOVE vs 24 of Mat 23,

{24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!}

REPLACE 'POOR CHURCH GOERS' WITH 'GNAT' and ''UNDESERVED RICHES AND 'I DONT CARE ATTITUDE OF PASTORS' WITH ''CAMEL'' AND SEE THE REAL POINT JESUS HIMSELF WAS PROVING.

IN CONCLUSION THE CHRISTIANS DURING PAUL'S ERA CONTRIBUTED MONIES,NOT TITHES AND OFFERINGS BUT THE NEW METHOD UNDER CHRIST 2 COR 8;12

2 COR 8;12

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have. [/b]

@ East,
[b]
(ALL WHAT I SAID ARE FROM THE BIBLE,YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISPROVE MY QUOTINGS IF NOT FOUND THERE),

SO,I DONT MAKE IT SOUND,NO BUT 'WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS,READ
ALL, BOTH NEW AND OLD TESTAMENT ARE INSPIRED SCRIPTURES AND RELEVANT FOR US,

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

BUT THE APPLICATION OF THE MOSES CODE APPLY ONLY TO THE OLD ISTREALITES,OR JEW WHO BY BIRTH ARE AUTHOMATICALLY GODS CHILDREN, but THE GRACE CHANGED THAT, WHILE THE OLD TESTAMENT IS RELEVANT TO US,THE GRACE BROUGHT ABOUT A LOVING APPLICATION OF TRUE WORSHIP FROM OUR HEART,AND NOT A WRITEN CODE OF MOSES,but JESUS CAME TO DEMOSTRATE THE LOVE OF BEHIND THE MOSES LAW BUT DUE TO INNEFECTIVENESS (as you read in my 2nd post) it WAS REPLACED BY GRACE

Romans 6;15,16

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

THANKS

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[b]@East,

AND ALL WHO ARE PATIENTLY FOLLOWING THE TREAD;(I will make bible reference from EARLIER POST [POST 8]
YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT IF THESE RICH PASTORS ARE TRULLY OF GOD,THEY WILL NOT BE CRITICISED ONLY IF THEY ''LIMIT THEIR SPENDINGS ON JUST BASICS NEEDS;,[FOOD,CLOTH AND SHELTER],BUT NOT WANTS;[EXPENSIVE LUZURY FLEET OF CARS,QUESTIONABLE FUNDS TO RUN MEGA BUSINESSES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS OF WHO CANNOT EVEN AFFORD BASICS]

YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT APOSTLE PAUL 'IS TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT TO BASIC NEEDS,IT IS ACCORDING TO AN ESTABLISHED RULE OF LAW[MOSES LAW].read;1corinthians 9:8

8, Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

BUT DID APOSTLE PAUL BLINDLY TAKE THESE ADVANTAGE PROVIDED UNDER THE MOSES LAW?

pls  read;con'td 1cor,9;15-19.[repeat]

verse 15-19

15, But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me. I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of this boast.

16 Yet when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!
17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me.

18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.

19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. But I have not used any of these rights.

IT WILL SURPRISE YOU WHY PAUL CHOOSE NOT TO 'USE THE RIGHT PROVIDED UNDER MOSES LAW' BECAUSE THE ARRIVAL OF JESUS CHRIST  OUR LORD HAS CHANGED AND ANNULLED ALL THE PRIESTHOOD [LEVI] RIGHTS AS CONTAINED IN THE MOSES LAW,how do i mean,

read;Hebrews 7:11

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.

PLS NOTE,

{A}DID JESUS NOT COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH?,(Verse 14,)SHOWS THAT TRIBE OF JUDAH NEVER OFFICIATE AS PRIEST UNDER MOSES LAW,
{B}MELCHIZEDECH WHO OFFICIATE AS PRIEST,BECAME A PRIEST BY AN OATH,AND NOT BY INHERITANCE{LEVI}

NOTE THE CONNECTION OF A AND B ABOVE,in Verse 21;

21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:


   “ The LORD has sworn
     And will not relent,

     ‘ You are a priest forever[d]
     According to the order of Melchizedek’”),

AND TO PROVE WHY GOD CHOOSE TO MAKE JESUS COME ACCORDING FROM A TRIBE THAT DO NOT OFFICIATE under MOSES BUT RATHER 'BY ONE WHO OFFICIATE BY AN OATH' SHOWS ''AN ANNULLEMENT'' OF A LAW CODE FROM MOSES BECAUSE OF ITS WEAKNESS,read;verse 18;

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Greatness of the New Priest

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath.

THROUGH JESUS WE WERE 'DRAWN TO GOD' {ransom sacrifice of his blood}HE BECAME 'A SURETEE OF A BETTER COVENANT THAT DO NOT RESTRICT ONLY JEWS AS THE ONLY SONS OF GOD BUT THROUGH 'THE GRACE' THE DOOR IS OPENED TO US. Verse 22,23 AND HIS COVENANT {NOT THE MOSES PENAL CODE THAT RESTRICTS ,BUT THROUGH THE HEART'S CIRCUMCISION,THATS SUMMARIZES ALL VIRTUES TO 2 LAWS,LOVE OF GOD,AND LOVE OF NEIGBOR} REMAINS FOREVER AND UNCHANGEABLE.YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT JESUS CURED ON THE SABBATH,HE DEMOSTRATES THE NEW LAW THAT REPLACES THE MOSES LAW THAT RESTRICTS THAT ON SABBATH DAY.


22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.

IT WILL BE RECALLED THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT,FROM JESUS ERA,TITHE PAYING IS NOT PRACTICED,AND JESUS EVEN REBUKE OR CAST WOE ON THOSE WHO PAY IN THE NAME OF TITHE,WHILE LEAVING THE GREATER THINGS THAT TITHE WAS FORMALLY INTRODUCED TO CORRECT 'UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW WHICH IS,JUSTICE,MERCY AND FAITH.JESUS CHALENGED THEM THAT LETS ASSUME THAT PAYING UNDER THE FORMER MOSES LAW IS WHAT THEY BELIEF,THEN THEY ARE HYPOCRYTES APPLYING PARTLY A LAW THEY CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN A SELECTED MANNER, LEAVING THE PURPOSE THAT THE LAW{TITHE UNDER MOSES}WAS ESTABLISHED. Read Mathew 23;23

Mathew 23;23,

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

JUST COMPARE JESUS STATEMENT TO THESE PHARISEE AND COMPARE TO WHAT THE RICH PASTORS ARE DOING TODAY YOU SEE THAT THEY HAVE CHOOSE TO BE WHAT JESUS SAY ABOVE vs 24 of Mat 23,

{24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!}

REPLACE 'POOR CHURCH GOERS' WITH 'GNAT' and ''UNDESERVED RICHES AND 'I DONT CARE ATTITUDE OF PASTORS' WITH ''CAMEL'' AND SEE THE REAL POINT JESUS HIMSELF WAS PROVING.

IN CONCLUSION THE CHRISTIANS DURING PAUL'S ERA CONTRIBUTED MONIES,NOT TITHES AND OFFERINGS BUT THE NEW METHOD UNDER CHRIST 2 COR 8;12

2 COR 8;12

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.


I WILL REPLY THOSE WHO SAID DO NOT JUDGE,MAYBE JESUS IS REFERING TO USING YOUR SENSE OF JUDGEMENT OR NOT,THANKS


 





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[b]@East, AND ALL WHO ARE PATIENTLY FOLLOWING THE TREAD;

Quote from: East on Today at 11:58:50 AM
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1corinths 9:11, if we have sown spiritual seeds among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

1corinths 9:12, if others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more?.we didnot use this right. on the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

1corinths 9:13, Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered at the altar?

1corinth 9:14, in thesame way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should recieve their living from the gospel.You can read all of 1corinth 9 to have a clue of the rights of the apostles or men of God.
Hope this answers your question.
Thanks and be blessed.


WHILE READING YOUR QUOTE ABOVE,IT SEEMS THAT YOU SKIP THE IDEA OF THE MESSAGE IN THE SAME CHAPTER 9 that YOU USED,SO I HAVE TO GO BACK TO Verses 4-6 , I QUOTE;

verse4-6,

(4, Don't we have the right to food and drink? 5 Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas ? 6 Or is it only I and Barnabas who must work for a living?

verse 8,9;

8, Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

IT IS SHOCKING WHEN YOU MERELY CHOOSE TO STOP AT Verse 14,BECAUSE Verse 15-end, of same chapter, says and i quote;

verse 15-19

verse15, But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me. I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of this boast.

16 Yet when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!
17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me.

18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.

19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. But I have not used any of these rights.




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