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Jihad is the inhuman killing of defenseless people in the name of a violent allah and his paedophile messenger mohammed.

Jihad

Jihad in islam is not inhuman, is not abt killing defenseless people in the name of violent Allah and his paedophile messenger mohammed.
What jihad is al abt is The Almighty permitted the Muslims of the times of the Prophet Muhammad
(sws) to fight back the Quryash only when Muslims had political authority in spite
of the tremendous oppression let lose upon them. Consequently, in these times
also, this is an essential pre-requisite of war. The Prophet (sws) is reported to have
said:
A Muslim ruler is the shield [of his people]. An armed struggle can only be
carried out under him and people should seek his shelter.
According to the Qur’ān, jihād is carried out primarily to root out persecution
which means to force and oppress a person to give up his religion.
The Almighty has created this world to test man by giving him the right to freely
choose his religion and ideology. Consequently, any person who forces someone
to give up his religion is in fact rebelling against the scheme of the Almighty. So
when an Islamic state was established in Madīnah, Muslims were directed to take
up arms against people who were responsible for persecuting Muslims and to
continue this aggression until persecution was uprooted from Arabia. The
following verses forcefully depict this directive: And what has come over you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for
those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children whose
cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town of oppressors, and raise for us from
You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help. [You
should know that] those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who
disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends of Satan.
Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan”. (4:75-6)

Consequently, today jihād can be launched to curb oppression and injustice
whatever be their forms.
Also in this matter there is to be no distinction between a Muslim state or a non-
Muslim state. It can be launched against either for the purpose of curbing
oppression and injustice.
Here it is important to realize that the jihād carried out by the Messengers of God
had another dimension which was only specific to them and does not relate to us.
It was governed by a divine law that relates to Messengers of God only. As per
this law, once the truth is communicated to the addressees of a Messenger to the
extent that none of them is left with an excuse to deny it and they still deliberately
deny it, then they are punished in this very world by the Almighty in either of the
following two ways:
i. through natural calamities like storms and earthquakes
ii. through the swords of the believers
In the second case, when punishment is meted out by the followers of the
Messengers of God, the polytheists among the disbelievers are only given the
option of accepting faith or facing death, while the monotheists among them are
also given the option of living on their own faith provided they remain subservient
to the Muslims. Those who profess faith and become the companions of the
Messengers are granted success and dominance in this world and promised great
reward in the Hereafter as well. However, with the departure of the Messengers of
God, we can no longer be informed of this deliberate denial because after them
divine revelation has ceased. Therefore, today Muslims cannot wage jihād for the
purpose of punishing disbelievers for denying the truth. Today the only basis for
jihād is to root out oppression and injustice.
Since the Qur’ān contains many verses which deal with this dimension of the
jihād of the Messengers of God, one must be careful in not extending their area of
application beyond the foremost addressees of the Messengers. They do not relate
to people after them.
A question here may arise that if this type of jihād does not relate to us, then why
is it mentioned in the Qur’ān so much. The answer to this question is that this type
of jihād actually substantiates the reward and punishment which is going to take
place in the Hereafter. In the Hereafter too, people who deliberately deny the truth
will be punished. People need to be reminded of this all important fact. So, by
preserving in the Qur’ān, the details of this worldly judgement meted out to the
addressees of a Messenger we are reminded to not forget the Day of Judgement;
on this day, each and every person will have to face the consequences of his deeds
the way the foremost addressees of the Messengers of God did in this world.

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One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born"

The Hadith, Volume, Chain of transmission and number please.

Todak,
u are a lier. Why lie abt thee hadith of the prophet.

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« #11 on: March 28, 2009, 01:09 AM »
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(so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that,

hmmmmmmm, the same Allah that ask you to strike them over thenecks, and over, tear, kill is that same most merciful. He is really merciful and the most compassionate. ok if at all during the prophet's days they were attacked, atleast that word was for action if they were attacked. Now the recent riots in nigeria where did you hear that the infidels were first attacked, no it is the other way round. you people look for excuse to satisfy your blood thirsty spirit of muhammadism or is it islam.

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2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, Allh recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land but if relocation is not possible, then a muslim must defend himself by fighting against oppression but if they incline towards peace, incline towards same too because Allah does not like transgressors

You have misinterpreted this verse: it is clearly stated, whether you like it or not you must fight(Warfare is ORDAINED for you), note ordained, others words are compulsory, neccessary, important, not negligable. Now Muhammad know some of you may not agree with him, he convinced them in the name of Allah, tell me what is good in war?, so if allah knows what is good for you, one of those things is war (Jihad). So now tell me what outa of peace can be measured from that. You know what? instaed of you people starting your prayer with: In the name of Allah, the most most meciful, most gracious, and bla bla bla, it should be in the name of Allah the most warlike, most destructive creator, the great deciever. yes.

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3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

YOU ARE A LIAR JUST LIKE YOUR BIG BROTHER DAVIDYLAN. This is the verses that talks about JUDGEMENT DAY:
hmm, i think you are the blatant liar here, what connection had a judgement day with captives and slaughtering, it seems you do nnot know how to interprete the quran.
30. (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him,
31. "And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.

32. "Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits!

33. "This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High.

34. "And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent!

35. "So no friend hath he here this Day.

36. "Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds,

37. "Which none do eat but those in sin."

Al these are quranic jaguns you bring up to support your claim, all these are not related to killing, slaughter as commanded by the most destructive creator. not accepted.


5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.

By whom? of course Allah's slaves and yet the same quran says "there is no compulsion in religion". indeed. and

Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."
unless they repent before they are overpowered by the angel who will go ahead of the fighters to create fear in to the infidels.

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

What is your problem with the punishment in the hereafter please? Discuss with me.

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7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

Do you read your bible at all before lifting verses ignorantly? The above verses are self explanatory as it happens to refer to punishment to disbelievers like you in the hereafter


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One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born"

They are the basis for the terrorism today, the verses in it hold true even today and are used everyday by pious Muslims to justify their brutal and terrorist activities.

The Hadith, Volume, Chain of transmission and number please.

i won't offer that to you cos you are a chronic muslim, go make your search, i would love to but it is like challenging me on a quote in the bible and i asking you to tell me the book, chapter and verse, it un-christian of me and so will i feel about you. You are an islamic scholar and know more about it. i'm sorry i can't give that now.


Todak, all these are answered in jihad in islam. So go for clearance







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« #13 on: March 27, 2009, 06:20 PM »
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if not for lack of guidance.how will u people even accept the fact that jesus is God. and claim u re son and dauther of God.yet, yet God has mother, the mother of God also have another parents, lol.u calim he has no father, so what.Adam has no father nor mother,eve, has no mother

You know what, you are now diverting attention, but nevertheless, i am not caught unaware, yes , Jesus is God, it is a mystery man can not understand, wait let me ask you, both religoin belief he was concieved of the Holy Spirit. The only man that had no biological begining, what have you to say to that.,

Biological beging, how?
If jesus has no biological beginning, then what happen to adam? What abt eve?

Also from the Quran, there is no prophet as clearly exalted as Jesus, he was the only prophet to be lifed up to heaven, why was muhammad not lifted has him, atleast from that aspect, you will agree with me that Jesus is Alive. ok
Now, A man who lived about 2000 years ago, and still lives. do you think that is natural? i guess your answer is no, then what attribute do you think will be given to such a man?, Listen and listen good, Jesus was before even God thought about creating the world, he was the word of God, the word came in human flesh which is a man, man is fallable, but Jesus through out his life time, there was no record whether in the bible or historically or even the quran that he ever commited any sin. He was perfect, blameless,spotless. But Muhammad is a man, he is bound to commit a lot. So whether you like am whether you no like am, the thing be say, Jesus is the son of God, he is God, the Second in Trinity
Jesus said our father.

I said it many time that u lack knowledge and I urge u to seek for it.

I want to ask u a question: is jesus the only man who is still alive for over 2000 years?

For sure I no ur answer is yes.

But the answer is no.

We have two other prophet of God those who even came b4 jesus who are still alive till date.

So what can u say to this? U don’t know anything abt it 4 sure, what u will come up with will be another trash.

lol


some people killed God,

A question; Can an adulterer judge a fornicator, if you are familiar with law profession, there is ususally a quotation i love; any one that wants equity or goes to equity must go with clean hands. I may not qoute it well thats why its not in qoutation mark, it is impossible. The world was wallowing in sin right from the fall of Adam and eve, who will save the world. no one on earth could do that cos we are all desendants of Adam and eve and therefore not clean.


Lol, just listen to ur trash. So is jesus not a descendant of adam and eve? So how is he excluded?

So Jesus came down to the earth to save us, deliever us from our uncleaniness, to redeem us from death, no one can kill God, but he came in human form for a purpose, to die, to save you and me.

So u mean God came down to save us from sin, ok fine.

So who do jesus pray to when he say my lord?

Who created sin?
Who created we human?

So why must God come down in form of human do deliver us?
If its compulsory for God to come down and deliver us, so why didn’t he in the form of human created us in the first place?

Ok, after delivering us, why did the people he created tormented him? Why did they capture him?

My guy, I must confess, u re a fool for giving such explanation of ur God.


yet God can not raise back instead he raised and ran to heaven. the heaven he raised to, who created it?, who did he ran to meet in heaven.

It looks like you do not know your history so well, there are evidence historically, arceologically, that He resurrected, and after resurrection, he stayed for 40 more days before he ascended to heaven. if it were a lie, it should have been know at least 2000years is not a joke. he went back to sit at the right hand of God. pal, He is coming back. take heed

Lol.

He waited for 40 days, ok.
Where did he stayed during this 40 days? Did he come out preaching the way he did at first? Y not?

Since people are still not convinced yet, y did go back to heaven to rest when the job has not been completed?

My guy, u be another fool for this expalanation again

who is he referring to, and yet he is God.

He was refering to God the Father, like I earlier said, it is a mystery, it is unthinkable, the three are one, they are inseperable, they do things in accord,God created we humans in his image, meaning we look exactly like God in every way, and the human is made up of three parts : The body, Spirit, and Soul. but one, and all three work together in unity. another example is an egg.

Lol.

When it is one, it cant be three. And when its three, it can never be one.

And if u say am not correct, so how can u explain this:
Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one’. (Mark, 12:29)


AND BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION:
Polygamy is evil which by the lustful desire of the said last prophet to satisfy their lust. No say I no warn you o
you know what bilms, let me ask you this question and i want you to give me a sincere answer.

If you are given a choice of either to become a Slave or a freeborn, which will you choose, please choose wisely, Christianity is no compulsion just as islam though it is right there in the quran that there is no compulsion in religion, but i think you can see for your self, the end justifies the means thereof. be wise

It is better to be a slave of the most Hign than being the son of nothin

who ignor who.

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hi all,

i came to share with those who have been accusing the muslim. that in the Qur'an we were told to fight and kill others.

Objective of Jihād
According to the Qur’ān, jihād is carried out primarily to root out persecution which means to force and oppress a person to give up his religion.
The Almighty has created this world to test man by giving him the right to freely choose his religion and ideology. Consequently, any person who forces someone to give up his religion is in fact rebelling against the scheme of the Almighty. So when an Islamic state was established in Madīnah, Muslims were directed to take up arms against people who were responsible for persecuting Muslims and to continue this aggression until persecution was uprooted from Arabia. The following verses forcefully depict this directive:

And what has come over you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town of oppressors, and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help. [You should know that] those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan”. (4:75-6)

A question arises here: Do other forms of injustice and oppression besides persecution also not entail a similar action? The answer to this question is that all forms of oppression against the life and wealth as well as freedom of opinion and expression of Muslims – should be considered under it in various degrees. Consequently, if a group of Muslims commits unwarranted aggression against some of their brothers and does not desist from it even after all attempts of reconciliation, such a group according to the Qur’ān should be fought with:And if two parties or groups among the believers start fighting, then make peace between them both. But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you against the one which outrages until it complies with the command of Allah. Then if it complies, make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allah loves those who are the equitable. The believers are brothers to one another. So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. (49:9-10)

Consequently, today jihād can be launched to curb oppression and injustice whatever be their forms. Also in this matter there is to be no distinction between a Muslim state or a non-Muslim state. It can be launched against either for the purpose of curbing oppression and injustice.

Here it is important to realize that the jihād carried out by the Messengers of God had another dimension which was only specific to them and does not relate to us.

It was governed by a divine law that relates to Messengers of God only. As per this law, once the truth is communicated to the addressees of a messenger to the extent that none of them is left with an excuse to deny it and they still deliberately deny it, then they are punished in this very world by the Almighty in either of the following two ways:

i. through natural calamities like storms and earthquakes
ii. through the swords of the believers

Thus, for example, the people of Noah (sws), the ‘Ād and the Thamūd were punished by the Almighty through natural calamities after they deliberately
rejected the truth communicated to them by their respective Messengers. On the other hand, the people of Arabia in the times of Muh@ammad (sws) were punished through the swords of the believers.

In the first case, when punishment is meted out through natural disasters, we know from the Qur’ān that all the disbelievers are destroyed since they subscribe to polytheism.

In the second case, when punishment is meted out by the followers of the Messengers of God, the polytheists among the disbelievers are only given the
option of accepting faith or facing death, while the monotheists among them are also given the option of living on their own faith provided they remain subservient to the Muslims. Those who profess faith and become the companions of the Messengers are granted success and dominance in this world and promised great reward in the Hereafter as well. For this very reason, in the jihād carried out by Prophet Muh@ammad (sws) to punish the deliberate rejecters of the truth, while the Idolaters of Arabia were not given any option but to accept Islam if they wanted to live, the People of the Book were given the option of remaining on their faith if they accepted a life of subservience to the Muslims by paying the jizyah tax.

Moreover, it needs to be appreciated that the deliberate denial of the truth by a people can only be disclosed by God since it relates to a person’s intentions. In the times of His Messengers, the Almighty communicated this deliberate denial to them through divine revelation. However, with the departure of the Messengers of God, we can no longer be informed of this deliberate denial because after them divine revelation has ceased. Therefore, today Muslims cannot wage jihād for the purpose of punishing disbelievers for denying the truth. Today the only basis for jihād is to root out oppression and injustice. Since the Qur’ān contains many verses which deal with this dimension of the jihād of the Messengers of God, one must be careful in not extending their area of application beyond the foremost addressees of the Messengers. They do not relate to people after them.

A question here may arise that if this type of jihād does not relate to us, then why is it mentioned in the Qur’ān so much. The answer to this question is that this type of jihād actually substantiates the reward and punishment which is going to take place in the Hereafter. In the Hereafter too, people who deliberately deny the truth will be punished. People need to be reminded of this all important fact. So, by preserving in the Qur’ān, the details of this worldly judgement meted out to the addressees of a Messenger we are reminded to not forget the Day of Judgement; on this day, each and every person will have to face the consequences of his deeds the way the foremost addressees of the Messengers of God did in this world.



so this is the rule of jihad as far as islam is concerned.

so where did u see all those stuff u re writting here.

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Here it should be realized that deserting the battlefield of jihād because of
cowardice is totally forbidden. No believer should show such feebleness. It is
tantamount to showing distrust in Allah, giving priority to this world over the next
and trying to make life and death dependent upon one’s own strategy – all of
which cannot exist with true faith.

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hahahahahahah, you people do not want to tell us the true meaning of Jihad. One said it means stiving, another said it is fight against injustice. listen there are some quotations in the quran that makes it contradict itself: ". . . then fight and slay the Pagans wherever find them. Seize them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them."
the same quran also says: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151). What wisdom is gained from killing your fellow kinsmen or what is the just cause for killing innocent soul who did not attack you. Oh that just cause is that they are pagans and unbelievers isn't it?. But then the quran says " there is no compulsion in religion", why is it that those that do not accept the islamic faiths are brutally killed. is that a just cause also?. I see Islam as a kind of Dictative government in religious form, which can not be repeled just like the Russian communist only that it is a know form of government. Defenders of the truth, truth defend itself, wait listen to yourselves, How can you defend God, who is greater, you or God, let Allah defend himself and if Allah ask you to defend him, then it means you are stonger, and should be worshiped instead of Allah. If Allah is god let him defend himself. Who are you to defend or fight for Allah if really he is god. give me an explanation to all these quotes:
9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
5:54 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: Give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."
47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): Thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): But if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, —He will never let their deeds be lost.
Mohammed produced this one to prompt those Muslims who knew in their hearts that killing innocent people is wrong: "Fighting is obligatory for you, as much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216) How could the Creator of this universe be so cruel? now from here, what this is implying is that, You are not a good muslim if you do not fight Jihad till all unbelieves are converted or destroyed. the last I quoted strikes me so much, Allah could have killed the unbelievers, then why would he let you die for him, oh to show how much you love him. Well, i do not think that word "Love" should be mentioned in Islam, cos Allah is not loving, he is a wicked God, how will hw create a thing and later destroys it, and you call it a religion of peace, what peace is found in Jihad?
These are some of the reasons why terrorist continues everywhere in the world including Nigeria every month where christians are sacrificed in the North. Kill unbelievers wherever they find them (Qur'an 2:191); murder them and treat them harshly (Qur'an 9:123); fight them (Qur'an 8:65) until no other religion than Islam is left (Qur'an 2:193); humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews (Qur'an 9:29); slay them if they are pagans (unbelievers) (Qur'an 9:5); crucify, or cut off their hands and feet, and expel them from the land in disgrace. Then there are these: Muslims are told that unbelievers "shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (Qur'an 5:34); not to befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Qur'an 3:28, 9:23); to kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud, and to "strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor" (Qur'an 25:52); and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Qur'an 47:4). This Allah says all those who do not believe will go to hell (Qur'an 5:11). And the sadism gets worse: "As for the unbelievers, for there garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Qur'an 22:9).
Read the true history of Islam and then look into your own heart to see if you are missing something; or if you have been lied to regarding Islam itself. Read the history of Muhammad from Muslim historians:Ibn Ishaq (A.D. 768) Tirmidhi (A.D. 892) Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina (A.D. 822) Tabari (A.D. 929) Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham (A.D. 828) Zamakhshari (A.D.1144) Ibn Sa'd (A.D. 845) Ahmad ibn Hanbal (A.D. 855) Ibn Kathir (A.D. 1301-1372) Amr ibn Sharhabil (Caliph 717-20 AD) etc.
Aisha (only 6 when married) believed whatever Muhammad told her about his divine inspiration. Muhammad claimed that he used to get revelations from Allah only when he slept with Aisha. Why is it that Gabriel did not bother to visit him when Muhammad spent nights with other wives in his harem? Reference: ahadith from Sahih Bukhari: "Muhammad used to get divine inspiration only in Aisha's bed", 3.47.755.Muhammad commanded his adopted son to divorce his wife so that she would become his (Surah 33:36-38) Muhammad instructed his followers on how to divide booty they seized from unbelievers. He insisted on 20% for himself.Muhammad's last speech to his followers on Mt Arafat: ."I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted." Reference: Ibn Hisham (828 A.D., "The Life of Muhammad", 3rd ed., pt. 6, vol. 3 (Beirut, Lebanon: Dar-al-Jil, 1998), p. 8 According to Muslim scholar Pickthal, "the number of campaigns (military) he (Muhammad) led in person during the last ten years of his life is twenty-seven, in nine of which there was hard fighting. The number of expeditions which he planned and sent out under other leaders is thirty-eight".Muhammad lived in the "full light" of history. And recorded history tells us that Muhammad as a simple preacher who became a fanatical warlord in the process of conquering Mecca and Medina. Beginning in Medina, Muhammad spread Islam militarily. Muhammad accompanied his terrorist army on 27 raids . Muhammad, the warrior non-prophet who made no prophecies, fought himself in 9 of these raids: Badr, al-Mustaliq, Hunayn, Uhud, al-Khandaq, Qurayza, Khaybar, al-Ta'if, and the occupation.

One only has to casually browse through the Muslem Qur'an and the voluminous Hadiths--the Traditions or Reports of what Muhammad said and did . In these it is out in the open that Islam's so-called prophet was cruel, ignorant, and lascivious. Islamic historical records tell us that after slaughtering Arab tribesmen and looting their camels, Muhammad and his followers kidnapped their women and staged an orgy of rape. One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born".Once begun, the Qur'an took on a "life" of its own, because Muhammad saw how it magnified himself to a powerful position in front of his band of murderous robber followers. The Qur'an is also one uneducated man's (Muhammad) feeble attempt to piece together Christian and Jewish theology. Throwing about pieces of his limited knowledge of what he learned about the Christian and Jewish religions provided Muhammad a way to elevate himself further in front of his listeners. Ample evidence suggests that before Muhammad began raping, murdering and pillaging for profit, he was viewed as a lunatic, especially by Jews, Christians, Medina and Mecca Arabs, and Hindus. The Jews professed disgust at a prophet whose chief concern was his harem of many wives. The majority of Jews, however, suffered Muhammad's wrath when they refused to join his terrorist band of Muslims - mainly because the Jews could not reconcile their fundamental belief which is backed up in Scripture. That is, that during his early 13 years of preaching his message in Mecca, Muhammad was not driven toward violence. He was also in fact tolerant and cooperative; even in the face of boycotts by the Meccans against him and his new converts. After Muhammad moved to Medina, however, Muhammad turned into a violent, cruel, lustful and intolerant man, who personally led raids on innocent caravans.
hey wake up from your slumber, as for we christians our GOd is a loving father, caring one indeed. Jesus is Lord.


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u need special hospital attension,

;DHa Ha Ha bilms, are angry for your prophet, or is it not fact, then prove it. You see you have said some wrong words to me just because of that derilious whoremonger called muhammad. Well I leave you to the court of the Almighty God. You were supposed to prove me wrong but now you have just given me another hedge over islam about how you people react. You don't want your religion to be soiled but want to eradicate every outa of truth that proves it wrong. abi. thanks for the confirmation. but remember do unto others what you want others to do unto you. k cos i am

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Are you prepared for honest debate? If so, preasent you issues one at a time and we discuss using the books as our back up.

If you are ready, you hazve my support. I dont have time for lies

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listen todak, i am sorry if i have insulted u,

but i have never make an insult on anybody on this forum b4.

but next time when u want to table a debate, u will table it reasonably not just sending nonsense here.

DHa Ha Ha bilms, are angry for your prophet, or is it not fact, then prove it.

prove what, u posted nonsense, so when u are ready for a debate, then u can find ur evidence then we can proceed. for ur information, all u posted where false and we cant start a debate based on false evidence.

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I understand Usman dan fodio and his men were on horse backs sharing chewing gum and singing choruses from Sokoto to Ibadan.
make una take small small dey lie na
we no be childrens

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I understand Usman dan fodio and his men were on horse backs sharing chewing gum and singing choruses from Sokoto to Ibadan.
make una take small small dey lie na
we no be childrens

There was ISLAM from Sokoto to Ibadan since before Usman dan Fodio was born.

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Good challenge, I have presented what i have, You can go ahead to prove me wrong. @ bilms
listen todak, i am sorry if i have insulted u, but i have never make an insult on anybody on this forum b4.

@ Bilms

Apology accepted
but next time when u want to table a debate, u will table it reasonably not just sending nonsense here.

Please tell me, how else to present my case, My teacher

prove what, u posted nonsense, so when u are ready for a debate, then u can find ur evidence then we can proceed. for ur information, all u posted where false

Tell me, what nonsense did I post, is it a lie that muhammed slept with a 6 yrs old girl, or the raids, killings, looting, well that might not be in the Quran, but history has that to tell. and you have to prove to me that it was false or explain to cover for your prophet.

and we cant start a debate based on false evidence.
Then, give me the true evidence, you liar.

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Brothers and sisters don't let us sweet talk the Kafrs as my Sheikhs call it "pleasing the Kafrs". Jihad is an exclusive war against those that fight the believers. This personal struggle in the name of Jihad is just the daily one, while the main Jihad is to use your guns, explosives, tanks or planes, and even stones to defend the deen against the aggressive Kafrs. No sweet talking please.

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i really understand u, but u have to remember that the qur'an does not categorize the christians as kafr.


todak.

if u want to get clear, which i no u did, but u re just trying to creat awareness for urself in the name of opposing islam.

so state ur source of information and i will give u clear detaails.

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i really understand u, but u have to remember that the qur'an does not categorize the christians as kafr.


todak.

if u want to get clear, which i no u did, but u re just trying to creat awareness for urself in the name of opposing islam.

so state ur source of information and i will give u clear detaails.

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That post doesn't imply that you fight Christians for praying in their church, what it means is that we can't afford to sweet people who kill Muslims. This I mean to fight the armies, and policy makers that advocate the wars upon Muslims in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and also with other crusaders. We don't have to seek peace if the only thing they understand is battle. I just marvel when the U.S wages war upon movements that want to reestablish an Islamic State-- you see the hypocrites among Muslims shouting that this people are extremists and ought not to be identified with Islam. Yet if they are successful for they will be, then the hypocrites that condemn Jihad will say: "if not that we were making dawah, could you have accomplished this?" . Allah knows, Allah knows.

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« #18 on: March 23, 2009, 06:20 PM »
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Really, now you are diverting atention to me, for telling the truth, , oh what a shame, is it that you lack what to say, or you do not know what you profess you are?. Hey, for your information, i'm not totally against islam, all i want i evidence of that true religion, or else you have to swallow your mess and accept my judgment. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .

@ frizy
Please tell bilms to explain those who are Karfs for all to know

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I am not diverting attension to u, but only quoting u wrong. Only telling the people that u re a lier, only wanting to show u that all u posted was only generated liers abt the prophet history, abt the qur’anic quotation and translation, abt the fake hadiths u claim, abt telling liers abt the scholars u claim.
The only thing that hurts me is that, u guys don’t know anything abt ur bible, and u don’t care to know. U only say from what u heard. And where ur pastor refer u to in the bible. But here I have more references to show u from ur bible. So be calm.
U said I should tell who a kafr is, yes I will.
A kafr (polytheism ) is some one who admit to be a kafr.
Here one might ask: Why were the People of the Book in particular the Christians regarded to be monotheists when they ascribe to trinity -- which apparently is a polytheistic doctrine? The answer to this question is that Christians are basically followers of monotheism. The Bible is very explicit about it:
‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this; ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one’. (Mark, 12:29)
Christians never admit to polytheism, though they are involved in certain polytheistic practices. A person becomes a polytheist when he openly admits that he is a polytheist. A person who claims to be a monotheist in spite of being involved in polytheistic practices, cannot be regarded as a polytheist(kafr). The reason is that a person might be doing something wrong without realizing that what he is doing; all Christians whether of today or from the period of Jesus never admit to polytheism; trinity to them is in accordance with monotheism; of course we do not agree with them but unless they realize it, we can only say that in spite of claiming to be monotheists they are involved in polytheism. Their case is the case of a Muslim who goes to the grave of a saint to ask him to grant a wish; we will not call such a Muslim a polytheist; we shall tell him that what he is doing is something which is against monotheism to which he himself strongly claims adherence. Similarly, we will not call Christians polytheists i.e kafr but we will keep telling them that what they are doing is not in accordance with monotheism.
It is precisely for this reason that the Qur’an never called the People of the Book as polytheists though they subscribed to certain blatant forms of polytheism.
Now I hope u know ur stand.

I am not just going to tell u the reason behind prophet mohammed fight against those who do not believe in him,, but the details concerning these from the qur’an and the old testament, and the new testaments aswell.
From the qur’an
In the words of the Qur’an, the basic objective of the Rusul of Allah is to decide the fate of their respective peoples in this world in such a manner that if these people deny their Rusul, they are subdued in this very world.
And the disbelievers said to their Rusul: ‘Be sure we shall drive you out of our land, or you return to our religion’. But their Lord inspired [this message] to them [–the Rusul--]: ‘Verily We shall cause the wrong-doers to perish! And verily We shall cause you to abide in the land, and succeed them. This is for those who feared the time when they shall stand before My tribunal and those who feared My warnings’. (14:9-14)
It has been ordained that the Almighty and His Rusul will always prevail Indeed those who are opposing Allah and His Prophet are bound to be humiliated. The Almighty has ordained: I and My Rusul shall always prevail. Indeed Allah is Mighty and Powerful. (58:20-1)
The Old Testament refers to this law in the following words:
If you ever forget the Lord your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. Like the nations the Lord destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy, 8:19-20)
The New Testament mentions this law in the following words: Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Jesus answered: ‘Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish’. (Luke, 13:1-4)

This is the knowledge u people lack and am here to enlighten u abt it.
The question is, why will a messenger of God force people to abide?
Answer.
The Da‘wah Phase
The word Da‘wah means to call and invite people to the truth. During this phase, with the special help and assistance of the Almighty, the Rusul remove misconceptions which may surround the basic truths of religion and vehemently say that if people do not accept these truths they shall be doomed in this world and in the Hereafter too. In this phase, the Prophets of Allah never use force or retaliate against any oppression or persecution encountered. They spend all their time and energy in earnestly urging the people to mend their ways, otherwise they would face the wrath of God in this very world.
The Acquittal Phase
At the end of the Da‘wah phase – which is signalled by the Almighty since only He knows when enough time has been given to people to reflect and accept such truths -- the Rasul disassociates himself from his people by announcing his acquittal and migrating from them so that the Almighty can pronounce His judgement both upon the followers of the Rasul and his adversaries. It is now that his adversaries are called Kafirs, implying that they have rejected the basic truths in spite of being convinced about it.
it signals the end of his nation. It means that all that could have been done to call them to accept faith has been done.Before migration, as long as a Rasul remains among his people, they are protected from any punishment and given respite due to his presence. So, when the pagan Arabs demanded from the Prophet Muhammad (sws) to bring the punishment he had been threatening them with, they were told: But God was not going to send them a punishment whilst you are amongst them. (8:33)
The Judgement Phase
This phase is the culmination of a Rasul’s preaching mission. He decides the fate of his nation in this phase. It is in reality the Almighty who undertakes this task as pointed out before.
It is evident from the Qur’an that in the Judgement phase, the punishment of the disbelievers normally takes two forms depending upon the situation that arises.
If a Rasul has very few companions and he has no place to migrate from his people and attain political power, then the Rasul and his companions are sifted out from their nation by the Almighty and made to migrate to a safe place. Their nation is then destroyed through various natural calamities like earthquakes, typhoons and cyclones. The Qur’an says: Each one of them We seized for their crime: of them, against some We sent a violent tornado with showers of stones; some were caught by a mighty blast; some We sunk in the earth; and some We drowned in the waters. (29:40)
In the second case, a Rasul is able to win a fair amount of companions and is also able to migrate to a place where he is able to acquire the reins of political power through divine help. In this case, a Rasul and his companions subdue their nation by force, and execute them if they do not accept faith. The nation of a Rasul is then given further respite during which the Rasul starts to purge and cleanse the people who accept faith and organises them for a final onslaught with the forces of evil. He also strengthens his hold and authority in the land. Once his companions are ready for an armed conflict, these addressees are given a final ultimatum and then attacked. The forces of a Rasul are destined to triumph and humiliate his enemies. The punishment, which in the previous case descended from the heavens, in this case emanates from the sword of the believers. It was this situation which had arisen in the case of Muhammad (sws). His opponents were destroyed by the swords of the Muslim believers until at the conquest of Makkah, the remaining accepted faith.
Referring to this form of divine punishment, the Qur’an asserts:
Fight them and God will punish them with your hands and humiliate them and help you to victory over them. (9:14) It is not you [O believers] who slew them; it was [ in fact] God [who slew] them. (8:17)
While explaining this verse, the celebrated Muslim authority, Shah Wali Ullah, writes: The Prophet Muhammad (sws) and his Companions in the fulfillment of this mission became like angels who also strive for the implementation of God’s directives. The difference between angelic and human undertakings is that the former strive without being guided by any universal principle, while human beings fight for the sake of a definite overall objective given to them by the Almighty. Thus Jihad becomes the greatest of all their deeds. That is why the act of killing is not attributed to them. It is attributed to the Divine Being who issued the directive to kill. This is like ascribing the act of killing of a traitor to the ruler rather than the slayer, as the Qur’an says: ‘You slew them not, but God slew them’.11
In other words, the Almighty Himself who punishes the addressees of a Rusul if they deny their respective Rasul; the Rusul and his companions are no more than a means to carry out this Divine plan
Consequently, in both these cases, the established law of Allah called the Sunnah of Allah by the Qur’an is enforced on the addressees of a Rasul who are wiped out as a nation:





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« #28 on: March 29, 2009, 09:27 PM »
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Thanks for the information about the Quran todak. i have never read it before.

is it really true that Mohammed married and had sex with a six year old girl?

No, the prophet can never be married to a six year old girl talkless of having sex with her. It is lie that was framed by the poster or others like him on the web. And he copied and paste it here.

if it is, can a believer in Islam please explain this to me because i find this truly sickening. And also, taking the wife of his son in law. How can this be morally justified?

For sure we all clearly no that such lie never lasted. The prophet never taken the wife of his son in-law. All are framed lies. And if they claim its true, bring ur source and I will make it clear.

Is it also true that a suicide bomber is rewarded with 71 virgins in heaven? That sounds pretty disgusting and i feel sorry for the poor 'bloody' virgins. But what if it was a female suicide bomber, is she rewarded with 71 male virgins?

No, any suicide bomber who died in that cause go staright to hell according to islam. So where did u get such lie mr.

Why is there so much emphasis based on the fulfilment of repressed immoral sexual fantasies?

Because they look for all form of lies against islam, they want to creat bad image for islam by attaching bad and immoral practices of individual to islam source.

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Great, I accept your challenge,
now,
state the verses of the qur'an and u will get the meaning of ur wrong translation.

As the Koran is supposed to be timeless and universal, the verses in it hold true even today and are used everyday by pious Muslims to justify their brutal and terrorist activities.

1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion.

2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in January, the sacred month of Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a sacred month, when warfare and violence is forbidden. Since this barbaric criminal act was led and sanctioned by the "great" prophet Mohammed, we can conclude that Islam's sacred activities include loot and cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals. The very beginnings of Islam are stained with the blood of innocents.

By stating the above verse, Mohammed completely absolved himself from all blame for having murdered innocents. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that God is completely justifying Mohammed�s murder of the innocent Meccans. The import of this verse is that killing and violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims, because they are doing it by divine ordinance! It is a religious duty of every Muslim to murder anyone who comes in the way of Islam. Since it is also the duty of every Muslim to ensure that the entire world is converted to Islam by force if necessary, one must directly conclude that it is the religious duty of Muslims to kill all those who are non-Muslim. This conclusion is derived directly from the supreme edict of Allah, who admonishes that even the Muslim who feels it is wrong to kill, must murder in the name of Allah, otherwise he is not a true Muslim. Over and above this, Mohammed is hypocritically implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because God ordained it.

3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle of Badr. This battle occurred on March 17, 623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan�another sacred month for the Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed and his followers killed at least 70 innocent merchants from the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and slaughtered several hundred soldiers who came forward to defend them.

Here God the "Merciful" is saying that all the non-believers deserve to be killed! In addition, God is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to God. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly legal with the Muslim God as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could ransom their lives for more money. In today�s world this is called "taking hostages" and defines "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."

The above verses from the Koran prove that Muslims are specifically instructed not to tolerate unbelievers. It directly states that people who do not believe in Mohammed and the Islamic God are to be tortured and murdered, Not only does this verse clearly implicate that unbelievers must be tortured and killed, it goes on further to state prescribed methods for committing torture. The horrific acts mentioned above are in practice even today in Islamic countries. In fact, in India, Muslims tortured the Sikh Gurus and their families exactly as prescribed by the Koran. For example, the Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage like a wild animal, when he refused to forsake his religion for Islam. Three of his disciples were murdered in front of his eyes. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was sawed alive into little pieces. The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion. One wonders at the mercy of "The all beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching the roasted burnt flesh of hapless innocents falling off their bones.

5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

The above verses clearly state extreme terrorist activities, as they contain nothing but detailed recipes of horrific torture. Cutting off the hands and feet of individuals and then making them walk and jump, pouring boiling waters over their victims, making them drink it, burning them alive, inserting hot iron rods into their bodies, dismemberment and disembowelment, genital mutilation etc. are common Islamic practices.

show the hadith u got that from and u will be given the details.
Here we go

One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born"

can you explain what that means?


which scholars?

i no all the genuine islamic scholars, what is the name of the scholars.

we have many people claiming to be a scholar too who are hypocrits, all they do is mislead people by wrong translation of the islamic directives.

they are not muslims, but people like u that do all they could to spoil the image of islam.

so if u present a false scholars like such, u re still in the same category with such scholars.
they are not muslim, they only came close to the islamic scholar in the name of accepting islam, so that they can mislead others.

Scholars like Ibn Ishaq (A.D. 768) Tirmidhi (A.D. 892) Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina (A.D. 822) Tabari (A.D. 929) Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham (A.D. 828) Zamakhshari (A.D.1144) Ibn Sa'd (A.D. 845) Ahmad ibn Hanbal (A.D. 855) Ibn Kathir (A.D. 1301-1372) Amr ibn Sharhabil (Caliph 717-20 AD) are all false, is that what you are telling me.


Well I shall await your reply

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all wrong expalanation regarding the qur’anic translation have been explained by babs. As follows.
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1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion.



The above verse was revealed after the Battle of Badr which happened to be the first battle between Muslim and Unbelieversr. It contains a detailed review of the Battle and you should know that the Quran was not arranged in chronological order and some verses relating tol the problem therein are in some other chapters, thereby incorporated here to make it continuous

From Tafisr Ib Kathir:

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved.) means, `you -- angels -- support the believers, strengthen their (battle) front against their enemies, thus, implementing My command to you. I will cast fear, disgrace and humiliation over those who defied My command and denied My Messenger,

(so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that,

over the necks) refers to striking the forehead, or the neck, according to Ad-Dahhak and `Atiyyah Al-`Awfi. In support of the latter, Allah commanded the believers,

So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, take them as captives).) [47:4]

Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said, "In the aftermath of Badr, the people used to recognize whomever the angels killed from those whom they killed, by the wounds over their necks, fingers and toes, because those parts had a mark as if they were branded by fire.'' Allah said,

(and smite over all their fingers and toes.)

Ibn Jarir commented that this Ayah commands, "O believers! Strike every limb and finger on the hands and feet of your (disbelieving) enemies.'' Al-`Awfi reported, that Ibn `Abbas said about the battle of Badr that Abu Jahl said, "Do not kill them (the Muslims), but capture them so that you make known to them what they did, their ridiculing your religion and shunning Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza (two idols).'' Allah than sent down to the angels,


(Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.)

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2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, Allh recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land but if relocation is not possible, then a muslim must defend himself by fighting against oppression but if they incline towards peace, incline towards same too because Allah does not like transgressors

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3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

YOU ARE A LIAR JUST LIKE YOUR BIG BROTHER DAVIDYLAN. This is the verses that talks about JUDGEMENT DAY:

30. (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him,

31. "And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.

32. "Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits!

33. "This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High.

34. "And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent!

35. "So no friend hath he here this Day.

36. "Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds,

37. "Which none do eat but those in sin."

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4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."


Olodo, read the verses up and stop lying. Cheat

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5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."


What is your problem with the above so that I go into your bible to pick up verses and you would oblige by explaining them to me?

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6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

What is your problem with the punishment in the hereafter please? Discuss with me.
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7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

Do you read your bible at all before lifting verses ignorantly? The above verses are self explanatory as it happens to refer to punishment to disbelievers like you in the hereafter

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One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born"

The Hadith, Volume, Chain of transmission and number please.

Todak,
u are a lier. Why lie abt thee hadith of the prophet.

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(so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that,

hmmmmmmm, the same Allah that ask you to strike them over thenecks, and over, tear, kill is that same most merciful. He is really merciful and the most compassionate. ok if at all during the prophet's days they were attacked, atleast that word was for action if they were attacked. Now the recent riots in nigeria where did you hear that the infidels were first attacked, no it is the other way round. you people look for excuse to satisfy your blood thirsty spirit of muhammadism or is it islam.

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2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, Allh recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land but if relocation is not possible, then a muslim must defend himself by fighting against oppression but if they incline towards peace, incline towards same too because Allah does not like transgressors

You have misinterpreted this verse: it is clearly stated, whether you like it or not you must fight(Warfare is ORDAINED for you), note ordained, others words are compulsory, neccessary, important, not negligable. Now Muhammad know some of you may not agree with him, he convinced them in the name of Allah, tell me what is good in war?, so if allah knows what is good for you, one of those things is war (Jihad). So now tell me what outa of peace can be measured from that. You know what? instaed of you people starting your prayer with: In the name of Allah, the most most meciful, most gracious, and bla bla bla, it should be in the name of Allah the most warlike, most destructive creator, the great deciever. yes.

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3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

YOU ARE A LIAR JUST LIKE YOUR BIG BROTHER DAVIDYLAN. This is the verses that talks about JUDGEMENT DAY:
hmm, i think you are the blatant liar here, what connection had a judgement day with captives and slaughtering, it seems you do nnot know how to interprete the quran.
30. (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him,
31. "And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.

32. "Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits!

33. "This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High.

34. "And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent!

35. "So no friend hath he here this Day.

36. "Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds,

37. "Which none do eat but those in sin."

Al these are quranic jaguns you bring up to support your claim, all these are not related to killing, slaughter as commanded by the most destructive creator. not accepted.


5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.

By whom? of course Allah's slaves and yet the same quran says "there is no compulsion in religion". indeed. and

Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."
unless they repent before they are overpowered by the angel who will go ahead of the fighters to create fear in to the infidels.

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

What is your problem with the punishment in the hereafter please? Discuss with me.

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7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

Do you read your bible at all before lifting verses ignorantly? The above verses are self explanatory as it happens to refer to punishment to disbelievers like you in the hereafter


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One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he

there is nothing wrong is using it on prayers infact i do use it.

this surah is juts likeany other surah in the qur;an.


its just that may be because of the meaning u dont just like it,but note u have to like it.because God wants u to recite it as many time s as possible for u to have the reflection of the problems the prophet face b4 establishing islam.

if i dey talk to my self,so how u come take hear

lol

shut up jo

sowatin u fit tell?

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u get attension?

Thanks to babs that explain clearly all ur wrong quotation.


TodakThanks for the information about the Quran todak. i have never read it before.is it really true that Mohammed married and had sex with a six year old girl? No, the prophet can never be married to a six year old girl talkless of having sex with her. It is lie that was framed by the poster or others like him on the web. And he copied and paste it here.if it is, can a believer in Islam please explain this to me because i find this truly sickening. And also, taking the wife of his son in law. How can this be morally justified?For sure we all clearly no that such lie never lasted. The prophet never taken the wife of his son in-law. All are framed lies. And if they claim its true, bring ur source and I will make it clear.Is it also true that a suicide bomber is rewarded with 71 virgins in heaven? That sounds pretty disgusting and i feel sorry for the poor 'bloody' virgins. But what if it was a female suicide bomber, is she rewarded with 71 male virgins? No, any suicide bomber who died in that cause go staright to hell according to islam. So where did u get such lie mr.Why is there so much emphasis based on the fulfilment of repressed immoral sexual fantasies? Because they look for all form of lies against islam, they want to creat bad image for islam by attaching bad and immoral practices of individual to islam source.

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