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goodmorning40:
Whose problem is that, abeg commot for road

zodiakzax:
The Trinity is not something that needs to be taught or understood. It's a truth that the Holy Spirit witness to our spirit. That is the very foundation of our faith. That is our believe. You blv Jesus is God, true He is God, and the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God. So if you acknowledge Jesus, then I am okay. After all it's just the same thing. We will not be Christians if we don't acknowledge Jesus as our saviour. When we become born again, we accept Jesus and the Holy Spirit comes to live us. We believe Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God (Mark 16:20,Romans. 8:34) and He intercedes to God for us. You know part truth and we have the whole truth, we donot deny your truth that Jesus is God and God is one, but you see there's a greater truth and that is Jesus is the Word of God, and Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Father is God and this three are one.What matters is you blv in Jesus. I don't know how you pray though but that's up to u.cheers

plaetton:
A personal opinion is far from an endorsement. I am not sure if the op knows the meaning of endorsement.
Anyone who goes into space cannot but be awed by what he or she beholds.

It is not so different from witnessing an ocean wave and proclaiming that only a sea god could move the oceans in such a grand style.
Or, that thunder and lightening are clear manifestations of angry gods.

When we behold these awe- inspiring things, it is the primitive parts of brain that become most active.

johnw74:
By their many words they try to convince you they know it.


The Almighty is God

God, is God and the Word
God, is the Father and the Son

The Father is Almighty God
the Word is Almighty God, as the Father and the Word is God.
God is One God, One Spirit
God is two persons in the beginning

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

I post them again for others, as you reject God's Word and so are lost, for now anyway.

Once persons reject God's Bible Scriptures, like you and like bingbagbo and like jw,
I no longer try showing them Truth,
except sometimes showing up their wrongs for the benefit of others.
I'm sure I will be busy showing up some of your wrongs, as I have been already.

johnydon22:
Lolzzz... This dude have been in mars or what?...


My question was, since you are of the belief that Jesus is God, Your own belief is that Jesus is the same Jewish deity of the old testament and not a different entity?

Scholar8200:
John 16:26,27
26 At that time you will ask (pray) in My Name; and I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf [for it will be unnecessary].
27 For the Father Himself [tenderly] loves you because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from the Father.
I ask the Father in the Name of Jesus Christ

johnydon22:
lmao. . . . it was a very simple question. . .

johnydon22:
Dude i don't quite grasp your own version of christianity...


You believe Jesus to be God

but you are not a trinitarian.

What exactly is your stance?

ayoku777:
How will the church fulfil her great commission to the world if we leave the world to their unbelief? And how will the church itself mature and come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God if we leave one another to our doctrinal beliefs, no matter how inconsistent it is with sound doctrine?

If we see an error of doctrine among the brethren, it is right and needful to point it out; in an attitude of love and meekeness.

Jesus is not an angel. Jesus wasn't created. Jesus is the Word of God and He created all things -including all the angels.

Shalom

johnw74:
Not stuck on anything, but it is natural for jw to lie.



John 1:1 ...and the Word was God.

jw bible change that to "a god"
"theos" is the word that God comes from in the New Testament, but jw don't change it to "a god" in other places.

It is an evil thing to change God's inspired word.

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Rev 22:18 For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

I am sure God had jw as well as others in mind when He inspired Matthew to write:

Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 "This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Appleyard:
Good!
Thank you for ur comments. Now, i will state my position and elaborate on what the biblical concept of the Godhead is all about. There is only one God who manifested in three different dispensations', and with multiple titles. The churches 'traditionally' believe 3 seperate or distinct persons in one God. This was as a result of d scriptural mentioning and deifying of d Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Consequently, the fourth century meeting of the Nicene council (as at when rome, through emperor constatine,was ruling the world) was to place them under d trinitarian definitions. This concept ,through d power of Roman Catholic, church swept throughout the christian faith and has become so embedded in christianity to d extent that to question its validity is immediate heresy.

The church today has lost d revelation that the one God, Jehovah, expressed himself in the old testament as the ''Father,'' God above us', in d Gospels manifested as 'the Son', God with us', and in the book of Acts-unto this age as 'the Holy Spirit,God in us'. Not three persons but one glorious personage, as wonderfully unveiled in Hebrews 13.

Now, my first take is that THE JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE SAME JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Yes, God throughout d old testament did not have a body,but appear in different forms to d people, such as d 'burning bush' to Moses, the cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night. God being a spirit (John 4vs24) hath, before d foundation of d world, foreseen d fall of man by d transgression of Adam and Eve, and He required a perfect atonement, a sacrificial lamb, to redeem man from his fallen state, by the shedding of 'blood' (Hebrews 922). It takes blood to pay the penalty for sin yet, no man, no angel, no priest or animal, was found worthy to redeem man. Therefore, God, since there is no saviour beside Him (isaiah 43vs11, 3. Isaiah 45vs22. Hosea 13vs4,) must then do it Himself, in order to show that He is the only 'redeemer'.

But then God knew He, as God, could not die and bleed in d Spirit, for a spirit has no flesh and bones. His own law required blood for an atonement, and for Him to fulfil his plan of salvation, He had to put on a veil of flesh, to taste death and pay d penalty for His own law to justify the ungodly. God started to make d promise dat He would come down to save and restore mankind back to him. In Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, he said,
''your God will come (to this earth) to save you (the jews and as many more that would thereafter believe in Him,) and the eyes of d blind will be open, the deaf will hear, the lame will walk,and d dumb shall speak'...
all these are to happen when this Jehovah God(been the only Saviour) 'wil' come.

Now, did this promise came to pass? Yes, it did because God never lies or fail in His promises. In John 1 vs 29, John (who never knew Jesus before but being guided by d spirit) testified by declaring Jesus as ''the lamb of God which taketh away d sins of d world''.. This mean that, by revelation, John knew who Jesus was and He subsequently baptized Him.
But it became interesting that this same John later in Mattew 11 vs 2, sent two of his desciples to ask Jesus, ''are u the One that is to come or are we to look for another?'.
Now why did John asked that conflicting and confusing question when he had already bare record of Him (Jesus) as stated in John1 vs 29?
Well, the reply Jesus gave unto john's desciples in verses 4 and 5 of d same mattew 11, answers any such thoughts, and clearly fulfilled the promise in Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, for 'the lame walked,the blind saw, the deaft heard...''

What this mean is that Jehovah actually came anf fulfilled His words and His plan of salvation as written in 1Timothy 3vs16.
When was God(Jehovah) manifested in the flesh? It was when Jesus Christ was born through a woman without any sexual act but it was God Himself making both hemoglobin egg cells in d wonb of mary, God Himself taking the nature of man. Jesus Christ was d flesh of God, none order than God Himself creating a body of His own. That Body was called 'the Son', while d Spirit which is d original nature of God indwelling the Body, was the 'Father'. Not two Gods now but God veiling Himself in FLESH. Thats the reason why Jesus was called 'Emmanuel' meaning 'God with us', God dwelling with men. When d Father decided to come down as our saviour, He put on a robe of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in d womb of mary. This seed was to produce d flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ.
The name Jesus means 'Jehovah has become our saviour'.


To be continued....

Barnabaseloka:
We Christians believe that God is one. My questions are: who was Jesus referring to as the Father during his ministry on earth? Why did he mention the Holy Spirit who he said that the Father would send [/b]b/c He (Jesus) goes to the Father? Can you say that Jesus was going to himself and will send himself? It is a mystery! Your doubt about the existence of Trinity does not make it non-existent.

An2elect2:
LOL The more i tried understanding the trinity, the more confused i got until i painstakingly came to the realisation that the scripture does not teach it. The prophets did not teach it, Jesus did not teach it, the apostles did not teach it. What they kept saying was that God is one! one being. No mention of him being a formation of separate persons. Nothing like that LOL.

Where cometh the trinity teaching? it is nonsensical and illogical! God is one and Jesus is God. naff said.

An2elect2:
Abeg what is he trying to say? there are two fathers. Big father and small father?

Scholar8200:
Hebrews 1:1,2 answers this,
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, ... Other passages like Psalm 2:11,12 ; Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 110:1 are all in the OT.


The use of the word Father there is the same usage in Genesis 45:8 spoken by Joseph when he became prime minister or one that administered Egypt
8 So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt. Compare this with the rendition of the same verse in NIV
8 “So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. [b]He made me father to Pharaoh, [/b]lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt.
So the usage of Everlasting Father as concerns Jesus Christ, relates to His Lordship.

You may want to consider the striking similarity between Genesis 41:41-43 and Daniel 7: 13,14 as regards this.

Scholar8200:
John 4:23-26 shows that the Messiah sent by the Father, is distinct from the Father,"...worship the Father in spirit and in truth; the Father seeks such to worship Him. . . God is A Spirit. . . Messiah comes . . . Called Christ. . . I that speaks unto you am He"[THE MESSIAH].

Scholar8200:
The Father to whom Jesus returned to after perfecting the redemption, John 14:12,"... I go unto My FATHER"