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Alabo7978:
From your screenshot, you went on to ask Google
"is Brittanica an academic source?
no, the encyclopedia Brittanica is a tertiary source. An encyclopedia reference information without any analysis and opinion, therefore it is a tertiary source"
so debates, discussions and factual findings ABOUT THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OR ANCESTRY OF A PEOPLE SHOULD BE ACADEMICS?
Hey God ehh,

Academic sources are strictly or sparsely for educational purposes.

Is this educational?
Are we writing a project work or a thesis work?
Kai.
This mugu wanted to sound intelligent but it's unfortunate.

SlayerForever:
Why are you crying my brother

Deborah98:
Imo is now the new Bornu btw how did we get here. Shey the forest no contain them na small imo wey no reach anywhere they want to destroy,it's well just reach out to your family and loved ones and make sure they're safe.

Alabo7978:
This are very strong proves Mr Man.
Okolo-ama (Bonny) is of ijaw

ChinenyeN:
Alabo7978, I’m surprised you’re still going at it with them for this long. This back and forth is ahistorical. And at the end of the day, it is a contest of stamina not actual traditions and history. Igbo propagandists don’t care about actual oral history and traditions and they certainly don’t care about what you may have to say. They will outlast you in this argument out of sheer hubris and call it a win for themselves.

Alabo7978:
First, just in case you have never written a thesis before. If you cite an Encyclopedia in an academic context, "YOU WILL LOOSE MARKS" because encyclopedias are good for general knowledge but not for deep academic truths.

Secondly, it states, that, "it was a trading centre for Ijo people". We here never said that Ijos were not present in Bonny.
Look at this one?
Who is writing thesis here?
I am showing you facts and you're here mentioning deep learning.
How deep do YOU THINK is deep?
No wonder you went to bring stupid project works and thesis from your drug induced land grabbers and I showed you the biggest information repository where everything is fact and you're mentioning thesis.
Does nairaland look like a university to you?
Is this University of nairaland?
Is seun a vice Chancellor?
Come on getawt of here.
Look at proves I brought, and you want to discredit.
Are you better than the brains at Brittanica?
Wetin you even carry comot from school?
Is it not third class with sorting?
BRITANNICA exposed Igbo slaves numbering over 20,000 were shipped like stockfish to America and you are discrediting it.
Anonymous15 was right all along.
Pepple and crowther said you were slaves, and okoloama is different from IBO.
BRITANNICA said you were slaves and Bonny is ijo.
Anonymous15 said igbos were renamed and that ijaws were masters, that guy was right.
Now answer the question,does this mean Samuel crowther, king pepple, and the entire BRITANNICA drinks ogogoro??
Where is bkayy, Igboid, and the other of your drug men??
They should come and answer

Alabo7978:
Bro stop showing excerpt from someone's opinion.
I dare you to go to Bonny group on Facebook to cap all this.
King edimini was the one who caused all of this. He married his daughter Kambasa off to an ndoki man(I have forgotten his name)
He did that to pave a path for trade(slavery)
That ndoki man was the one who arranged his brothers to be sold for his own wealth. And when Kambasa came back to Bonny, some of those people followed her, but she took another lover named biriye who bore her a son. And it was from this line perekule emerged.
It was the igbos who corrupted (Bonny) a British given name to ubani or ibani.
But it is known and have always been known as okolo-ama by the locals

Alabo7978:
Mr Man, I have lived in Bonny all my life, though the Igbo language is spoken there, it is only a second language.
okoloama is the main dialect and the people know it as okoloama(okolo-ama) meaning dwelling or settlement of okolo, okolo means curlew and we call curlew okolo, the Nembeians are bloodly related and they call curlew okolain.
Opuamakuba was a ruler of the settlement as at 1390 and was a strong medicine man who worshiped Adum a sea water deity.
Adum was fabled to be the juju of ijo himself.

Alagbiriye then brought the Ikuba deity. Ikuba means (iguana, monitor lizard)
Asimini was officially crowned king in the 1450's and he was not an Igbo man.
Which Igbo man came to okolo-ama as early as that year to be a king when the ibos were mostly slaves?
If I take you to okolo-ama (settlement of curlew) and you hear them speak the dialect, you will see there is no similarity whatsoever to the Igbo language.
Igbo language is only spoken as a second language and most igbos have been living there for over 100years just as french people have been living in New Orleans (America) but it doesn't mean they own the place.

kenzysmith:
No we need a forigen coach amineke should be drafted in as his assistant

SlayerForever:
Nice oneeeeeee


Perhaps I can make a guess that the Kalabaris were first Igbos, before likely a migration from the Efik country. Then followed by some Sierra Leonian migration.

SlayerForever:
Nice oneeeeeee

Ekealterego:
Bkayy, Slayerforever, Igboid this is just to reconfirm the final evidence.

This even give the Ndoki people more leverage on Bonny... It was clear that Bonny was an offshoot from Ndoki. Then later all the other Igbos. That is why their dialect is closer to Ndoki and Ngwa till today.

OKOLOMA IS IN NDOKI. They knew where they came from.

Alabo7978:
Calm down, you said you uploaded it, and he cut half right?
Ok let's say he did what you said.
How come pepple in the cut one said he was Igbo, but in the one he sent to crowther he said he was OKOLOMA? (Indigenous)
And that ibos were slave in Bonny(a white given name)
??
Can you explain it calmly... I'm not here to fight.

Alabo7978:
I have been following this thread,
You're still asking what the Ijaw Ethnic nationality called Bonny after the other guy typed it many times, and even showed you screenshot of Samuel crowther??
You're even the blind one here.
Can't you see it is called OKOLOMA by the original indigenes?
Can't you see igbos were slaves from the same excerpt?
Can't you read? Or see?

Ekealterego:
I actually sent him that screenshot which he was confirm and he was actually doing the gospel by spreading the news all over.
Their kings were Igbo...If you follow the second screenshot, King Pepple himself testified that he was Igbo alongside king of New Kalabar.
He knows.

Anonymous15:
When you can't read or have any factual evidence to counter everything I gave you, you then display your stupidity by coming of to tag your land grabbing comrades and laugh at your self imposed fake victory.
Brother man read that document. If you can't read, ask your friends to read for you.
Mind you, it was in one of my debates with your friend Ekealterego( whom I renamed OTONYE DOMOKUMA like my ancestors did yous) mistakenly brought that document up.
If you can't read clearly, I will type it out for you.

TERMINOLOGY FROM KING PEPPLE.
Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves
Bonny is called okoloBA by the ibos
osiminikun by the Aboh tribe of ibo
new Calabar is called Bom by the ibos

king pepple said that Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA or Bonny language which is also the language of new Calabar.

I remain Rev and Dear sir
your obedient humble servant
Samuel crowther

Read and understand bro, even OTONYE DOMOKUMA didn't see that when he wanted to use it to attack me, what do y'all suffer from; jaundice??

DitariDisciple2:
All una lies and frustrations ends online, both Ndoki and Bonny are Ijaws and are both coming to Ijaw Republic.
The new Central dialect will set all things right for all Ijaws.

Ijaw Republic our home .

Anonymous15:
I will gladly answer your question and enlighten you.
OKOLOMA in obigbo was the camp site of OKOLOMA (Bonny)
There is also ABRIBA QUATERS
CALABAR QUATERS
MBANO CAMP.

Where does ijaw fits?
Truth is, I am not even if the Ijaw tribe, my tribe is Nembe.
I mention ijaw because ijaw is the parent tribe. Ijoh had several sons and Grand sons who went on to form several other tribes(JUST AS ERI IS YOUR PATRIARCHAL FIGURE, IJOH is ours). Though ijoh per say didn't take active part in all of it, but it's other tribe who were more powerful and famous did so.
Yes, on the person who captured mbanaso, he was paid, no tribe under ijaw were slave raiders, they pay your people to sell theirs just as you still sell your brothers today for the right pay.
Have I answered your questions?
Direct other questions too and I will gladly answer them. If not, answer mine.

If Igbo owns Bonny, why did they not speak Igbo but the OKOLOMA dialect?

If Igbo was the boss, why were there names changed?
I want you to note that even in other ancient civilizations, when slaves were taken, the slaves are renamed into the conquerors names.
* The Romans did it
* Even Babylon when they captured Judah named haniah, Daniel and azariah into shedrach meshak and Abednego.

So I ask again, why was it the case in OKOLOMA?
why did pepple and crowther send this report to britain?
I have answered yours o, please answer mine

Anonymous15:
[/quote]You still haven't answered any of these questions
[quote author=BKayy post=107949951]I have five questions

1. Where does Ijaw fit into all these? Especially from your picture.

2. Does Jubogha mean anything in Ijaw? I mean a word, not cut and join

3. Is Okoloma not Asa-Ndoki dialect?

4. Is there not a place called Okoloma in Obigbo?

5. Where does Ijaw fit into all these things once again?

Please endeavour to answer numbers 1, 3 and 4 before others.

Anonymous15:
Lol, y'all were slave raiders because at the right pay y'all will sell your brothers for money. You still do that now.
The Ijaws were the wealthiest, and they gave you mirror and fine fabric and guns for you to bring your brothers. Because your brothers were highly sort after by the whites for farming. That's why the whites are called oyibo because these white men always ask (o'wu onye'igbo) when buying but they pronounce it (oyibo)
That is why y'all were sent to America to go and farm sugar Cain and so on.
The stubborn ones over there were the ones who tried to run away and got drowned in the Igbo landing.
But I ask again, if igbos weren't slaves in Bonny after the normal change name by Masters, explain this report to the British through crowther

Anonymous15:
Lol, stop convulsing.
Who captured mbanaso okwarazurumba?

The ijaws need not bother themselves, igbos has been their biggest enemy, y'all sell your brothers with the right pay.
STOP EVADING MY QUESTION.
IF Y'ALL OWNED BONNY, WHY THEN DID YOU CHANGE YOUR NAMES TO IJAW NAMES?
WHY DID MBANASO ANSWER JUBO?
IF FUBARA PEPPLE WAS IGBO WHY DID HE SEND THIS REPORT TO THE BRITISH?
WHY DID HE SAY BONNY WAS MOSTLY PEOPLED BY IBO SLAVES?

Igboid:
What language do they speak in Bonny today? Igbo!
What language were they speaking in pre colonial days?
Igbo!
Why Jaja changed his name? Maybe Because he wanted a new identity befitting of his new life in Bonny and Opobo. He needed to evolve from Mbanaso.

Oko Jumbo was Igbo. Is this even up for debate?
King Pepple was Igbo speaking.

Anonymous15:
if Bonny is Igbo, why did mbanaso okwarazurumba threw away his Igbo name to answer Jubo jubogha?
if oko jumbo was Igbo, why did he fight Jubo jubogha who eyed the throne and was sent on exile?
If the igbos owned Bonny or rulled it, why did they throw away their Igbo names to answer ijaw names? I thought y'all are proud of your names and customs.
Bkayy says igbos were slave raiders, why did they capture only igbos because from a report I will show, Igbo slaves populated ijaw lands and were renamed just like when haniah azariah and co were renamed by Babylon to shedrach meshak and Abednego.
If fubara pepple was Igbo, why did he send this report through crowther to the British?
Imagine owning OKOLOMA but you chose to speak OKOLOMA dialect and change your names to ijaw names
Please Bkayy and igboid explain this report to the British government through crowther

Anonymous15:
Oyigbo was a broker point. There are calabar quarters there, abriba, mbano camp and other camps there.
Osu's were sold by your fellow igbos at the meeting point at oyigbo. OKOLOMA the original name of Bonny had it's camp too at OKOLOMA in the broker point (oyigbo) and that is why it is still called OKOLOMA, same as calabar quarters,mbano camp, etc.
You bring the osu's amongst your Igbos and meet with the OKOLOMA and BRASSMEN who controlled the water territories and were middle men with the whites and sold them to the ijaws who inturn sell them to the whites. The ones who weren't selected were kept as domestic slaves in ijaw land and renamed into ijaw names.
If you all had the said rights and authority, why then were you renamed?
When a stronger nation takes people of another nation, the captives are renamed for instance in Babylon, hananiah, azaria and co were named into shedrach meshak and Abednego.
Or did you wilfully rename yourselves into ijaw names? If so, I thought you people love your culture and are proud of it, I'm curious.

BlackfireX:
Another one from the other one you posted..


Is ok...stop shoving it down our throat

izac82:
Ndi Igbo, we really need to go back to our tenet of civilization. One of our basis of existence is dialogue. We were a nation of dialogue and open conversation. Our ancestors were master conversationalist. No wonder, our progenitors christened it ''ekpan nkata'', because civil conversation was an art by itself. How we lost that capacity is still baffling to me.
We cannot achieve anything on abuse and insults. You may ague that other groups insult and attack us, but two wrong can never make a right. Present your case with facts, figures and decorum, and I tell you, by stooping low, we will conquer. And I support the OP on this, Oje mba ewe ilo.

Anonymous15:
motherfucker I don't care about you or your Ethnic nationality, or your monicker or you at all, and even your reply or wether you know we exist.
ofcourse ndigbo knows we exist because we were your slave Masters. your ancestors revered us, and when we bought y'all as slaves, you took names from tribes of the Ijaw Ethnic nation, with reference to your brother mbanaso okwarazurumba taken from Amaigbo, present day IMO state and who accepted the name Jubo jubogha (Jaja of Opobo) and adopted various tribal tongue under the Ijaw nation.
you were sold by us for Dane guns, rum, etibo, and canons for our war canoes. below is a written copy of an excerpt from one of the perekule Kings on facts about Bonny to be sent to the British archives

TERMINOLOGY FROM KING PEPPLE.
Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves
Bonny is called okoloBA by the ibos
osiminikun by the Aboh tribe of ibo
new Calabar is called Bom by the ibos

king pepple said that Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA or Bonny language which is also the language of new Calabar.

I remain Rev and Dear sir
your obedient humble servant
Samuel crowther


that above is the report.
you never spoke Igbo when you were bought except now when Everyman is free and ofcourse there are igbos in Bonny BECAUSE Y'ALL LIKE TO ENTER EVERYWHERE UNINVITED but that doesn't mean you own the place mother fucker.
OKOLOMA is a clan under ijaw and the British didn't meet any Igbo speaking Igbo, but the OKOLOMA dialect like that report says.

you can search for it if you want, believe it or not but I don't care at all nigga.
and I won't engage you further. the most I'll do is rename you with an ijaw name like we did your ancestors.

VOICEofORIENTAL:
leave Yorubas out of this..WHY ARE IGBOS ALWAYS ON THE NEWS?