₦airaland Forum

Tranquillity360:
Op why you dey tell us na.

I wonder oh

Look at this stupid OP. Your mates are reporting about Anambra/SE and you are here reporting about Yorubaland.
Do you want Nairaland to ban your account?
Does anybody care about SW?

Take your time my friend and go and get us news about IPOB.

KoshCAD:

Abobaku your propaganda is stale.
We are not the same. So we don't have beggars like you Afonja Abobakus

Vickyvice:
Of what use? U kill person, still give his dead body food to eat

The nerve sha. These Nigerian politicians don't see the masses as humans with common sense.

This man thinks the people of Izombe are like the Chicken Stalin used to describe human stupidity.
"pluck their feathers, throw some grains and they will be grovelling for you"

Mr Supreme, just know that you can't bribe us with your 30 tubers of yam and 23 bags of rotten rice. We know what you did.

Your Terrorist army killed the youths of Izombe and burnt almost all their houses

Obamaofusa:

We call Northerners Ndị Ugwu in Igboland. Does that make them Igbo?

Begging is a Nigerian(Yoruba, Hausa and Fulani) thing. It doesn't concern Ndigbo. We don't do such.

A Northerner/Yoruba begging in Igboland doesn't mean that Igbo have beggars.

Ebi2233:
Ikwerre have only 4 LGA, only Ijaws of Rivers have 12 LGA without adding other Ijaws,
Your foolishness end here.

You no wan boast again?
No more "touch us physical?"

Indeed the name of Ikwerre is very terrifying to the swamp drunkards

Juliusmalema:
Who cares whether Ngwa is Igbo or not?

Just gerrout of this thread.

ImembaN:
Come and force me naa..
#ndiala
You think we are with you in IPOB...
When the chips are down i will personally mobilize Ngwa youth to chase umu OHNUHNU out of our territory...
Our parents are too kind to you guys but I'm not...

So it has gotten to the level of you Nigerians acting film for us on Nairaland like you do on our streets these days.

Offline, you Shameless Nigerians play actor and boss films where herdsmen act as Unknown Gunmen while the other terrorist act as soldiers shooting them.

Now you two monkeys, are here to act Ngwá vs Anambra film.

The Northern baboon is claiming Ngwá while the Ile Ibinu monkey is claiming Anambra.

Lol. You Nigerians are simply simple and unreasonable

Ebi2233:
Your family people you used for rituals are hunting you right now can't you see?
You are a big wreck.

Make Ikwerre people no see this your post oh

But wait oh. If you people fear Ikwerre like this, I wonder how you people will fear Izzi, Effium or Mgbo, all from Ebonyi if they were to stay close to you people.

Ask anybody that knows Ebonyi who these people I listed are and their approach/orientation to war, fight or violence

Ebi2233:
We and Ikwerre have no problem and your foolishness can't make us have it either.
How can we fear Ikwerre of four LGA when Ijaw have 12 Lga in Rivers State alone.
Without adding Ijaws of Ondo, Edo,Delta Bayelsa.
You mumu well well.
All your frustrations end here.

Lol

See Ikwerre for your back

Ebi2233:
Talk from now till tomorrow your frustrations remain with you.

Ikwerre

Ebi2233:
You say we are drunkards?
Atleast we dont do prostitution worldwide like ibos,
We don't travel round the world, and do 419 like ibos, we don't use family members for money rituals like ibos.
We don't travel round the world and carry drugs everywhere like ibos.

Landlocked dot circle Biafra Republic people.

Keyboard warriors.
That is what you drunks are.

The only reason why you are throwing insults at Igbo from your swamp is because you know that SE is far from you.

If we share borders or close like you people are to Ikwerre, I doubt you will be doing this. We for done give una the treatment Mgbo and Effium people of Ebonyi dey give Benue people.

Just see the way you lost your voice at the mention of Ikwerre. Lol

Ebi2233:
See how foolish u are.
Who say we fear tiny Ikwerre?
You mumu well well.

You forgot you people like boasting "go and touch them physical"
But at the mention "Ikwerre" you became civil and logical.

Lol. You are not just scared of Ikwerre but terrified like a chicken.

Ebi2233:
Stop frustrating here.
They are already fully in the Ijaw Republic Liberation Movement Militant Forces with us.

Ijaw Republic is our home.
Landlocked dot circle Biafra Republic.

So una dey fear only Ikwerre like this?

Lol .
I wish we have borders with you people in the SE

Ebi2233:
Okrika part of Port Harcourt is already in Ijaw Republic.

Don't disturb me. Just go and hoist your flag. As simple as that.

You dey fear?
I am sure Aba boys won't troop in like before. Just you drunkards and Ikwerre.
One on one

Ebi2233:
Your mumu no tell you say half of Port Harcourt belongs to Okrika-Ijaws.

Carry your Ijaw flag near any part of Port Harcourt.
This is not a threat but a challenge.

I trust Wike and Ikwerre people.

A move to prevent the genocide they were sent to the East to carry our from reaching the outside world.

But as God has it, we are stubborn people so any community you terrorists burn down must be reported.

SlayerForever:
Okay, I'm just saying getting to that depth of "Igbo" history before Eri and the rest may not really be possible.

All in all, not a bad idea.

My dear, nothing is impossible. That is where archeology comes in.
With the establishment of Igbo country, a lot will be spent regarding the aspect of archeology. Maybe I might be alive then to be part of the team that will make vital discoveries.

That aside, I am very happy that many Igbo people are taking history serious. Seeing Igbo people like Scamhunter tracing their family trees is a thing of joy to me.

RobbStark:
Olodo, so for your mind na ipob unknown gunmen abi.
Mumu.
Continue cheering them, the day ipob claim responsibility for any damage in port Harcourt, una people go get am hot hot

Wetin concern Ijaw for PortHarcourt?

Mtcheww... I don't have time for drunkards

OfoIgbo:
If everybody on earth is biblically descended from Adam, then it is conceivable that some communities are descended from one ancestor.

But it is impossible to enumerate ones ancestors all the way to your original town ancestor, because our forefathers kept no written records.

I can supposedly enumerate my ancestors up to my town's ancestor, but I know there must be huge holes in them. At best, I only have about 30% of those names.

The civilization I hail from predates the 8th century according to archaeological records, so I should have around 60 direct ancestors. But at the moment, I will be able to name about 20 of them

No my dear.
Adam and Abrahamic ancestry are folklore of Semitic people. It doesn't include us at all.

The same way we have our indigenous different folklores like Eri, Oduduwa etc is the same way the Jews have for Adam. It was recently that Arabs tweaked their to fit into it with Ishmael now serving as their own ancestor.

Adam might have existed, the same as Eri and Oduduwa but one thing is certain, he was never the first man. It is only logical if Jewish civilization can be ascribed to him as Ndigbo are ascribing their to Eri, the same as Yorubas to Oduduwa.

And please, Bible is the combination of Jewish folklore, customs and history exclusively about them and for them alone

SlayerForever:
Anything before Eri and Aro is lost in antiquity trust me. Igbo before Eri and Aro was not necessarily Igbo sef. It is not only in the Igbo race. With what I have read I can tell you every ethnicity on earth experienced this. An ethnicity's origin when told CAN NEVER start from the absolute beginning. There's no shame there. Digging is good but there's a limit to human knowledge. Anything beyond that limit enters the realms of esoterism.

That is exactly what I am saying but please, it is not just Eri and Aro but there are many that make up this contemporary Igbo we know today and must preserve.

This is why I say that modern Igbo history has not started. It will start when we regain our political independence and shape our history how we like to enshrine unity and equity among every member of the great nation.

Wasn't it few years ago that Arabs tweaked their history to make it link to Ishmael as the founding father.
History are stories which if handled properly will maintain stability and unity among those that share it.

SlayerForever:
You insult others when you say their history is a lie. And by extension, with your logic all Igbo history is a lie.

Any African history that starts with someone marrying one wife is a lie.

Let me tell you something. During my years of entertaining people's history, I noticed that most of them was to make the people that are narrating it to claim dominance over others (as an Igbo man, you can get the perfect picture without me mentioning names).

SlayerForever:
I have an idea of what he's saying. What he is talking about goes beyond Eri. Your ancestors did not lie at all. Their accounts are in order.

Exactly.
Eri was not the first Igbo man. He wasn't even close to the 100th Generation of Igbo lineage.

When our people perfectly understand this, the inferiority complex of trying to justify what philosophers call Hamitic hypothesis of Eri coming from Israel will be dead and buried.
Those championing it will hide their heads in shame.

Ethnicities don't form out of the blue. It takes thousands of years.

ScamHunter:
I think you are right. He was the one that deforested the jungle we now call home. Must have been terrifying. One more thing I noticed about my ancestors is that they loved having neighbors. This means that people must have been few and dangers much. This is one of the resons why they welcomed migrants and made them feel at home and adopt our place. There is a common saying in my place that Gidigidi bu ugwu eze. They wanted more people around possible for company or to help ward off attacks. We may never know the main reason.

Thanks for understanding. Like I said, it is a family tree. I am glad you know yours.
Atleast some vultures won't wake up one day to tell you that you come from Bini or Igala because they have successfully manipulated the name of your town to point towards their direction or because one fool from your community fell in love with their culture and wanted to drag your whole town with him to them like Nnamdi Azikiwe tried to do with Onitsha.

Last but not the least. It is worthy to note that during the passage of time, a particular generation of the line of one's ancestor spends much of his time in a particular place before one leaves to go to another place of discover an inhabited place to flourish. That place the generation spent their time on could be referred to as their origin.
Please try to understand this

Let me explain it further. If peradventure, you decide to leave your particular hometown now to settle forever with your kids in somewhere in Europe or America. That your hometown you now left will be considered by your successive generation as your origin (because the culture you will pass on to them will be of that your hometown which is now part of you).
They will consider it as your origin if you did not point out the place your last ancestor that migrated came from, but even if you do, it will get to a place where there will be a dead end. That dead end is mostly considered as the origin.

Humans always migrate

ScamHunter:
Unless you're claiming that our ancestor lied. Before the whiteman came, Ndigbo or Ndi gboo had clear oral tradition that was passed from generation to generation. Father to children. This is what we are talking about not some research. For instance, if you go to my village, every knowledgeable person will give you the same history. Compare to Konta Kinte of Roots that his American descendants traced their ancestry to the Gambia using exactly the same family tree. If it is not applicable in your part of Igbo, do not think that this oral tradition died off in all Ala Igbo.

I think I mentioned somewhere that ethnicities are formed after thousands/hundreds of years.
All Communities in Igboland are made up of almost Igbo people but saying that they all come from one man is a lie. The only common thing is that they were all part of the evolution that gave birth to the identity "Igbo" which is thousands of years old.

In the past people migrate alot, and they settle where is favourable to them. There was no defined boundary then so people settle close to each other without knowing it. With time, they all become part of one community. Then a name is given, it might be from them or outsiders to refer a particular place which is where they inhabit.

So my dear I am not saying that your elders don't know what they are talking about but that your history much older than that.
OK that your town, is there no village in it that bears the same name with a villages in other communities around?
Names like "uruagu, umuagu, ifite/ivite/ihite," etc

ScamHunter:
You're actually digressing...Where did I say may ancestors were monogamous. I made a calculation that the earliest ancestor must have lives around 1700s. Would monogamy have spawned 9 villages from one man in 300 years?

Not earliest but the one that migrated to where you are.

ScamHunter:
Do not generalize. One, I did not learn anything I wrote there from any book, but oral tradition of my village when I was a boy. There was no phone or common internet access then.
Two, I cannot marry anyone from my village or clan because it is seen as incestuous. Everyone in my village, even old people would trace the same ancestry to a man called Dioba.
Three, I can even tell you of some things that some of these my ancestors did. One was jailed by whitemen when my village fought a war with another town and burnt down a house. Another older ancestor was shot with a gun but survived during precolonial days. Another was lost in a jungle and was escorted home by a wild dog. Oral tradition says that is the reason they do not eat that species of dog.
Four, we know those whose forefathers were migrants in my village. In fact, my village head said that even though we do not marry them now, that it is possible that it could happen in future since they are migrant from another Igbo town.

This has nothing to do with the whiteman or research.

That brings me to the question one elder asked one man quoting history of others that they come from one place or the other but maintained his own clan didn't come from any place.
It goes this way "onwe onye akọ na ala o puo Ome?" meaning, "is there anybody that was planted on the land and he germinated?"

What you just described is your people's modern history. I won't like to go deeper but one thing you have to keep in mind is that any history of a particular place in Igboland that starts with the man marrying one wife is a lie.

SlayerForever:
There's always a forefront founder.

Definitely. In my town one of the communities is named after some group of people that came later. Another one is simply named after the back of the town.



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No doubt, there is always a first.
But there is a high chance that names we know today are not actually the first or even humans.
Most are a reference, probably to what the place or people are known for (attitude or otherwise) eg Obi Ekwensu, Nkerehi, Ámá enyi, ogbu n'abalị in Ikwerre Rivers state Etc.
All these things you see on Wikipedia or one old man will wake up and start counting imaginary children of one mystical man as the founders of the community is fallacy.

Igboland has been in continuous inhabitation for thousands of years. Carbon dating of things excavated from there confirms it.

The Funniest ones are those that quote 15 century, 16 etc on their town and ascribe it to a mystical founder but can't explain why there are towns with related names in their zone.

When we are ready to be truthful to ourselves, we will come to the understanding that Eri is not the founder of Igbo. He is an Igbo man like everybody else.

Culture, Customs and Language is not something that be formed in an instant but evolves to attain climax after hundreds or thousands or years. That climax is what we call distinct ethnicity. No matter how much you try to erode it, it will still miraculously survive because it took time to be formed.
Igbo is one of it. Probably the oldest in Nigeria.

Ancient Igbo people the whites met placed little importance in it because like they told the whites "Igbo dị omimi" Meaning "Igbo is a mystery"
Then the whites saw it as lack of Knowledge but today they no longer classify towns or ascribe their history to a particular man if it was not recorded and if it is will be noted that it was just the name.

SlayerForever:
What do you mean?

Saying that everybody in the community is a descendant of the "man" (if it is a human) the community was named after is a lie. A very big one.

SlayerForever:
Are you kidding? I have my family tree traced up to Eri sef. Do you know how many generations that is?

Nearly every family from my place can trace back to Eri, except the ones who sojourned to our town sometime in the past. Perhaps centuries ago.

Even just last 2 Christmases they shared the document again showing the trace back. I saw all the sibling families to mine. Incidently nearly the whole sibling families live close to our house.

No community in Igboland is founded by one person.
Most of the names Igbo communities bear is not even human names.
Some are like the 10th or 4th name of the particular community (eg Opobo).