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Atigba:
Argue with your professor

So the professor that is neither from arọ Chukwu nor ohafia knows more about arọ Chukwu than Eze arọ

Christistruth00:
It was the Ooni of Ife that had to approve the selection of the Oba of Benin and all Yoruba Obas even till today.The

All beaded Crowned Obas are descendants of and authorised by the Ooni of Ife

LOL.
Imagine the Yoruba historians coming out in 21st century to say that the Portuguese that sailed all the way from Europe made a mistake in their bearing. Imagine a sailor mistaking West for East .
As for the Oba being a descendant of Ife, that I won't dispute because it's the truth. Present day Bini is an extension of yoruba race

oyatz:
They migrated from Jerusalem,Israel.

Every body is now bringing out their own theory of Igbo migration. Some Israel, some historians Central Africa and related to bantu, some will say North and related to Nubians.
But some ignoramus in Nigeria will say from tiny Igodomigodo and related to Bini to share our success and reputation as people that doesn't believe in impossibility.
But we know better, we know who we are. We are the Igbos your grand parents tell you tales about in the moon light

Christistruth00:
It was the Ooni of Ife that was called Ogane.

Don't tell me that the Portuguese that sailed all the way from Europe to Africa with compass don't know the difference between East and West

Christistruth00:
It was the Ooni of Ife that was called Ogane.

And Yoruba land is now in the east. Lie with caution

Atigba:
Argue with your professor

One day some ignorant people might use your lies as reference. It is not hard to write, it is actually easier if they are lies.
Give a reference of where the people of ohafia, Abam, ütütü or arọ Chukwu have disputed their Igbo ancestry not a lie from an Igbo name from USA which I can't see his ancestral route and village on Google.
This is an example of people like you on nairaland that use Igbo names to insult igbo

OfoIgbo:
The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

You've said it all. I told him that he is the first Benin man I've seen to openly acknowledge the existence of Idu, the rest are scared of their historical lies being shattered. They know that Idu which is present day Bini was a vassal of Nri, and Ndigbo lived and worked there as citizens of Nri. Nri was in charge of Idu spirituality. But now these contemporary Yoruba Bini people are trying to twist history, deny there yoruba ancestry and claim some Igbos. Claiming mythical migrations from their tiny bini with low population density.
For emigration to occur in ancient times the place to be emigrated from must first have a high population density (Scientifically proven) not the other way round. If to say that the mystical emigration from Bini to Igboland is true, there is supposed to be notable wars or ethnic cleansing in Igboland because the inhabitants can't share their limited space with the Bini foreigners. But there is nothing like a war between the people coming back with the natives which proves that they were merely returning home.
The funniest is how this confused fellow says that Igbo Language and customs were forcefully imposed on his acclaimed Idu citizens without references. Another one is how him from far away Edo is linking ancestry of people that knows themselves as Igbos.
Unlike ikwerre that are not certain of their history, Ohafia, Arọ Abam are notable Igbo militarized clans. The only reason we are discussing about this now is that Ohafia, Arọ and Abam are not close to Bini, if they were, by now there will be nothing like Bini.
I repeat again, by now the head of the Oba of Bini will be among the three heads used in Ohafia war dance

Christistruth00:
Exactly what I was thinking. They should just steer clear of Yorubaland with their History for purposes of Land grabbing.

Bini people are looking for number

And for the last time, I will never reply you if you refer to Ndigbo as "Igbon" or whatever you call it (who knows what that nonsense means). We have been referred to as ebo, ibo, eboe but never as "Igbon".
Dimkpa Bini dịka gị

One misconception you yoruba Edo and the real Yoruba have is that you think Igbo are not interested in history and that you can fracture their unity with historical lies

You can now go and open another thread of how Eze agwụ and Oké Nnachi are from your Idu and Igodomigodo.

Atigba:
Arochukwu and others migrated from Iduland with relatives, women, and host of others. I cant give you details of the founder of clans inside Arochukwu.

All these tribes you mentioned above, similar thing happening now, you want to false a slave name Igbon down the neck of every ethnic nationalities in the south.

Anioma reject you, they are not Igbo, Ikweree, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Ika, Igbanke etc.

I have listed the group who migrated southward Igbo Aro and the rest for you. They were individuals who founded communities, they meant aborigine and i wont be surprised if the so called Igbon culture rubboff on them.
Idu language is spoken in Igodomigodo till date, if you call it similar language with Igbon.

LOL, Arochukwu was founded after the war with ibibio, first started by Akpa forces led by Eze Agwụ who later invited a priest known as Oké Nnachi which decided the fate of the war, Arọ in turn founded some Igbo communities notably Arọ ndị Izuọgụ. I guess you don't know this one because you were busy linking Igbo communities to your yoruba blood.
Now tell me what you yoruba Edo have in common with Arọ, Ekpeye, Etche or any Igbo clan?

This can only happen in South East, especially in Anambra. Here we don't fight for God's, they fight for themselves.
The name of the masquerade is "mmọnwụ na eje ụka"

Chai! They scatter the head o!
I believe their plan was to scatter the brain like that asaba guy so that they will pack it with nylon.
I don't think that asaba guys brain scattering and this guy's head popping are unrelated.
Ps. If you like join cultism, I'll still be here to comment on the day they will scatter your head.

Incase you don't know, the difference between the current "Bini" people and Esan is that unlike the Bini people that were mentally subjugated by the new Yoruba Oba system that caused hostilities between Idu and their neighbours, the Esans never fell for the Yoruba Oba and as such Idu was divided and the elements of Idu persisted in Esan where the four market days introduced by nri migrants are in full practice, Esan maintained the Nri sacred and spiritual system thus making now Yoruba accultured Bini people to see them as fetish and witches

For clarity purposes you can hop on the next bus from Rhamat Park to igbanke to confirm that the name is not actually Igbanke as you yoruba Edo people think but actually IGBO AKIRI

Atigba:
I have answered all your questions

Incase I missed your answers, would you mind reiterating?
1.) What are the names of the two founders of Arochukwu and where are they from?
2.) Arochukwu calls herself Arọ oké Igbo, Why If Igbo was a new phenomenon?
3) why is igbuzor called Igbo bi na Uzor, if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
4) why is Akwukwu in Delta called Akwukwu Igbo if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
5.) why is it that non of these clans speak bini or have element of Bini?

Atigba:
Ezechima, Akalaka are Idu children in Igodomigodo they are not Igbo. Igbo mean slave in our language and there are those we address as such.

Until you come back home, your ancestral home Idu. You will be rejected from every corner by the Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Anioma, Ika, Igbanke etc.

These ethnic nationalities I mentioned above are already awaken about their Idu ancestry and you will never have access to them with your fake history.They continue to reject you and your Biafra will never come.

One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called Igbo Akiri

Atigba:
Ezechima, Akalaka are Idu children in Igodomigodo they are not Igbo. Igbo mean slave in our language and there are those we address as such.

Until you come back home, your ancestral home Idu. You will be rejected from every corner by the Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Anioma, Ika, Igbanke etc.

These ethnic nationalities I mentioned above are already awaken about their Idu ancestry and you will never have access to them with your fake history.They continue to reject you and your Biafra will never come.

OH! So these lies were all targeted to destabilize Igbo land and confuse their identity because of Biafra. I tought I was having a historical discussion

Atigba:
Igodomigodo is broad

The land was filled with cluster clans.

Idu Igodomigodo is the cradle of civilisation of the south south and south east.

I don't think so, Igbo is the cradle of civilization in the entire south, the Igbos have widely travelled the entire south in the ancient times, introduced the market days system to Idu, introduced the Attah kingship in Igala (through Onoja, the first Obi or Attah of Igala), introduced counting and writing system(nsibidi) to the ibibio through Oké Nnachi and were the middle men in trade throughout the entire south and middle belt ( arọ confederacy for the south and Nike forces for the middle belt)

Igboid:
Bini means Bu-ini in Igbolanguage. Which means full of bitterness. All Igbo returnees from Idu when the Benins (Oba people invaded) all had stories of anguish and bitterness to tell.
Stories of how the Benins were raiding them for slaves to the Portuguese and were using them for Yoruba Ogboni human sacrifices.

An Ezechima, Akalaka, etc could have never been anything but Igbo.
So whether you accept it or not, there was a reverse migration of Igbos in Idu following invasion of Idu by the Oba from Ife who established the Benin Kingdom, this very much history exists in Igbo folklore.

Idu people are the Esans, Urhobo, Isoko, Afemai, Uneme, etc.
Some Idu people betrayed Iduland and joined the Oba from Ife to fight against their own people, some Igbos even refused to return to Igboland and found positions in the new Oba from Ile Ife cabinet.

Idu people are Edo people, while Benin is a Yoruba dynasty made up of willing tools from all ethnicities that ones resided in Idu, including the Igbos.

This is history as we know it in Igboland.
Binis don't want to accept this history because it exposes the shame which is the fact that they are currently being ruled by A Yoruba man, and this fact makes them appear inferior.
This is also why some cowards among your ranks have refused to help the true rulers of Idu, the Ogiemiens to wrestle power from the Oba Yoruba dynasty in your land, because doing so exposes the lies you have told for centuries as history.

Simple, this is the common history we know in Igboland, Anambra to be precise

Atigba:
There may be people living in the east before our Idu children went there which we called Igbon.

Our children Idu differ

Scientifically, there is no way a small ethnicity like Bini can claim to have founded towns with populations that are larger than the whole Bini

Atigba:
There may be people living in the east before our Idu children went there which we called Igbon.

Our children Idu differ

Mr your idu children are the present yorubanized Edo people

Igboid:
There has always been Igbo people.

We existed as independent clans and went by our clan names, while we called each other Igbos.
To understand the concept of "Igbo", as an Ogidi man, if I meet someone speaking an Igbo dialect I am not sure is Ogidi.
I would ask him: "Ibu onye Ogidi ka ibu onye Igbo", meaning : Are you an Ogidi person or are you an Igbo person.

The person will now reply : Abum onye Igbo or Abum onye Ogidi. I am Ogidi person or I am an Igbo person.

Assuming this person is from a town called Nanka and I visited Nanka and the person wants to know who I am, since he had observed my Igbo dialect doesn't sound like Nanka dialect.
He would ask me, " I bu onye Nanka ka ibu onye Igbo "meaning "Are you from Nanka or from Igbo".
I will then answer, A bum onye Igbo( I am an Igbo).

The concept of Igbo is that everyone who speak similar language to you is Igbo while you identify by your own clans name.

We call each other Igbo but never callef ourselves Igbos, until the white came and did the obvious.

That is why our grand parents still call any black person they see on TV "onye Igbo"

Igboid:
There has always been Igbo people.

We existed as independent clans and went by our clan names, while we called each other Igbos.
To understand the concept of "Igbo", as an Ogidi man, if I meet someone speaking an Igbo dialect I am not sure is Ogidi.
I would ask him: "Ibu onye Ogidi ka ibu onye Igbo", meaning : Are you an Ogidi person or are you an Igbo person.

The person will now reply : Abum onye Igbo or Abum onye Ogidi. I am Ogidi person or I am an Igbo person.

Assuming this person is from a town called Nanka and I visited Nanka and the person wants to know who I am, since he had observed my Igbo dialect doesn't sound like Nanka dialect.
He would ask me, " I bu onye Nanka ka ibu onye Igbo "meaning "Are you from Nanka or from Igbo".
I will then answer, A bum onye Igbo( I am an Igbo).

The concept of Igbo is that everyone who speak similar language to you is Igbo while you identify by your own clans name.

We call each other Igbo but never callef ourselves Igbos, until the white came and did the obvious.

Preach to him nwa obodo dike

Atigba:
Arochukwu, Ohofia etc are from Idu land.

I have no details of how the arrange their clans in present day Abia State, but what am certain about is that these groups as I mentioned before are from Idu. Is in my history and is in your history as well. Your historian talks about it, Nnadi Kanu is not a historian, he is a propagandist, agitator fabricating stories for political gain..

He should be warm, a child doesn't talk about a story his father didnt say.

Your father has already told you your ancestral root Idu. Idu na Oba is a popular saying in Igbo land because your ancestors were in Iduland but forced to migrate due to Oba war.

See your historians here and go and question him.

More lies, Arochukwu is known as Arọ oké Igbo for a reason, why is that if Igbo is a new phenomenon?
Ibusa or Igbuzor in delta is known as Igbo bi na Uzor or Igbo bi a Uzor idu for a reason, why was that if Igbo is new phenomenon?
Akwukwu in delta is known as Akwukwu Igbo for a reason, why was that if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
For the record, Eri never migrated from the western sphere. According to the Igbo history he never said any thing Idu. The only link with Idu and Nri is that Nri priests are divinators in Idu prior to the yoruba Oba and Edo emergence. Don't confuse it, Nri is far older that idu.
Anyways, you are the first Edo man that I have seen that knows about the name Idu, Idu is only known to the ancient priests

aremuforlife:
Why will you continue to keep such law, it is discriminating, every child should have right to inherit their parents property, both Male and female child, both bastard and legitimate child.
STOP THE DISCRIMINATION!!!

Without those laws, Igbo men will be like yoruba men that are looking for girls from rich families to marry(eg Mr Eazy), and also make the Igbo man to have entitlement mentality and be looking for sugar mummies

This is to promote laziness on the side of the husband of a girl from a wealthy family knowing that the girl will partake in her father's inheritance which is him indirectly partaking in another man's wealth.
Nonsense supreme Court, nonsense Nigerian judiciary invading in Igbo custom as a way of stopping our hustling, can do and no entitlement spirit

Atigba:
We are saying the same thing

What is fake about his write up is that, he is fraudulently trying to turn history upside down.

A significant amount of Igbo population are Idu children from Igodomigodo who fled the war. They migrated from Ika, Igbanke and Owa clans in our land Idu.

Saying people migrated east to the south is false.

Both of you are not saying the same thing, igboid is an Igbo man that is relaying the history of Idu that we all know in igboland and the Yoruba conquest and enthronement of Oba system which led to the Igbos returning back to the east.
But you are fabricating a non existing relationship between you present yoruba Edos and the Igbos that left Idu due to hostilities with the new Oba.
It's like saying that the Igbos that will return from Lagos if the Yoruba become hostile to them are yoruba descendants

Atigba:
Arochukwu, Ohofia, Abam etc are reminant of Idu warriors who left Igodomigodo. Go back to school, read your history.

Second question, two Igbo clans founded arochukwu, one was a warrior clan, the other was a priest, what are their names and where are they from?

Atigba:
You are the one mentioning names here

I only point out the ethnic nationalities that are Idu children as recorded in our history in Igodomigodo, I didnt dispise Nnadi Kanu.

You know your self more than me and again you warn your brother Nnadi Kanu to stop forcing a fake Jew identity on our children.

Maybe you didn't know, isiama agara, ohafia and arọ Chukwu were related before moving your propaganda of fallacy

ezenwajosh:
Honestly I was surprise when someone called in on radio baifra...a native of ogodomigodo saying they have FOUR MARKET DAYS(EKE, ORIE,AFOR,NKWO) IN THEIR VILLAGE

Igbos were in Idu as business men, craftsmen and in their areas of politics and spiritual leaders (Eze nri is a notable invitee in Idu coronation and divination) before the Yoruba came from oyo and took over through Oramiyan or whatever they call him, he renamed the land Ile ibinu (means land of vexation) because the people were hard to govern which in turn prompted the Igbos to return back home (Ezechime, Ede and others) . Hence, them still using our market days. No be today we started travelling out for business