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I've addressed this myopic reasoning of some Nigerians in another thread concerning this matter. The next stage is inevitable, keep pushing them to carry arms, when it start you'll know that ethnic motivated war is more deadly than religiously motivated one like boko haram, especially when the ethnic group see it as "it is better to die after killing at least one or two rival group, than to be killed in Street while protesting".
Nigeria is half way in the lane of Syria and Yugoslavia, those that understand history are already buying flight ticket to escape this inevitable burial ground. It is just a matter of few years (less than 5).
Mr OP keep on riding on your ignorance, when e go start, you'll be listed as collateral damage. It doesn't matter if you are in western side of Nigeria, this time around it will affect everybody and worse is the west that will be taken by surprise. If they tell the Syrian Druze and Yazidi's in 2005 when the protesters were being killed that the Syrian war will affect them, they will laugh at you and call you senseless but now the two ethnic groups are at the brink of extinction for a war that doesn't concern them

plessis:
No true igbo man would say this if his fellow igboman was killed unjustly.


Even in your next life, you'll never be an igboman.

Don't criticize him, he said it out of anger. People like him ( if he is truly an Igbo man) , dedetwo and some people I read their comments here are already mentally ready for the next phase, they are calling for a change in the process of Biafran agitation, read my reply to faith above

favor914:
What is an Igbo man? Let them protest in Cameroon, or Gabon, why disturb the peace in Nigeria, Nigerian Government has labeled them Persona-Non Grata, their supreme leader has runaway from Nigeria, why are they making Nigerian Government waste bullets that should be reserved for Boko Haram, & Jihadist?

Remember this your post in 5 years time, that is if you won't be part of the collateral damage.
There is no scene in history where people have sacrificed their lives for independence and failed. It all goes through this same pattern we are seeing now, ie awareness call eg Syria and Yugoslavia --protests eg Syria and Yugoslavia --criticism of the protest by rival groups of the country which includes you eg Yugoslavia ---killing of the protesters --- sympathy to the protesters by members of the group the protesters are from eg Syria --- more protests eg Syria and Libya-- more killings of the protesters ( the stage we are in now) eg Syria- - - another group rising within the protesters faction claiming that the previous leaders of faction was too peaceful and incompetent (next phase we will face) eg Yugoslavia and Syria- - - militancy (guerilla warfare) eg Yugoslavia and Syria - - - full scale war(if need be) eg Syria, Yugoslavia and Libya - - - forced referendum or either side wins the war which bring about more militancy from the protesting faction if the state wins or ethnic cleansing if the protestants mange to win eg Colombia, Yugoslavia & Venezuela if state wins and Zimbabwe, Yugoslavia & Rwanda if opposition have the upper hand in any stage of the war--- eternal enmity between the groups after the country breaks--- the new frequently going to war on minor provocations eg Pakistan and India
P. S I am NEITHER advocating for militancy NOR calling for war but predicting what will happen based on similar occurrence in history

techmo:
any link to your radio Biafla super story ? Show us verified link of your falasy no time for petty chestbeating


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You now engaging a Biafran that is not scared of links and proofs.
Read the first paragraph sir. It says "During colonialism, of all the subjugated peoples in Nigeria,
the Igbo were the only ethnic group that tenaciously resisted the
British imperial control and domination of its territory" before giving you her estimated number of years it took the British to capture Igboland which is him being partial to the British by reducing the number of years it actually took them

techmo:





Africans are not dumb.. What people call colonisation of Nigeria took British Empire almost 40 years of war using machine guns and Canons to fight every kingdom in Nigeria into submission and signing treaties


The Europeans had superior weapons, Africans had local guns , swords and spears... Many kings like Alafin and Emir of Zauzau gave a good fight but still got chased away


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Liar. Why are Yorubas hell bent on claiming Igbo history for themselves.
It took the British few months to capture the entire yoruba, just a single day to capture Benin Kingdom and exile their Oba after the Oba massacred the British emissaries and few weeks to subdue the entire North with all their emirs. It was reported that the British walked straight to the Sultan of Sokoto because the Emirs were busy fighting themselves while it took the British 32 years and to subdue the Igbos. The British even reported that they were not in full control of Igboland even after 50 years on naming it their colony.
It is important to note that it took the British one full year to capture only Arọ Chukwu that is just one village in Igbo land and complete three years to capture the remaining Arọ Chukwu allies in Southern Igboland

baliyubla:
Speaking From a neutral perspective, these guys don’t see themselves as Nigerians, never have and never will.

This unholy union is bound to end sooner or later and not even a Python whatever can stop it.

This is the most reasonable post I've seen on nairaland.
Some people might abuse IPob or Igbos because of Biafra but any reasonable person will know that Nigeria is a ticking time bomb that when it explodes will affect all ethnic groups. You can't expect people that lost a war after resisting for three years to make the same mistake twice.
The mind of an average Igbo man (whether IPob or not) is gradually accepting violence as the only means of emancipation from Nigeria

I don't need to be an Igbo man to know that Igbos are never and will never be part of Nigeria.
The Igbo man's passport may say Nigerian but his mind and soul belongs to Biafra.
Expect more of this, for those that are new to history, this is how Syrian war started.
The mind of an Igbo man is gradually accepting that violence is the only key to be emancipated from Nigeria, very soon (before next 5 years) Nigeria will witness very serious militancy from the South East that is very skilled in guerrilla warfare.
P. S my prediction is neither from sentiment or wishes but from a historical backings. Everything that leads to serious war like that of Syria, the Balkan states, Zimbabwean civil war has already happened so brace yourselves for what comes next. When a particular set of ethnic group resists a country's enforcement agency like the Biafrans resisting the Nigerian Police today know that the country is in for the second stage of militancy

Atigba:
I'm Idu not Bini

There is nothing like Idu in Nigerian list of ethnicity. You, Sir is a Yorubanized Bini man

Atigba:
Oguta dont see themselves as Igbo

You know more about the identity of oguta people from far away Bini than the people of Oguta in Imo State.
Shameless

Etinosa1234:
Obaseki forefathers from anioma...

I give up on nairaland

It's like you don't concur with what Areafada who happens to be your fellow Bini man said about Obaseki's ancestry

I can see my face there .
By the way look at those pictures very well and you'll notice that none of them have "cone head". All legendary human's head are always flat.
I dare anybody that doubts this, Infact I double dare the person to post a picture of a legendary person in history with cone head in any field apart from corruption where you will see Tinubu

AreaFada2:
Lol. When did Easn people leave Benin area?

Which date was the grand Royal conference in BENIN when Esan dukes were crowned in Benin?

These dates are crucial in knowing how much of Benin culture Esan people left with.

Now, Esan people left largely during the reign of Oba Ewuare I who reigned from 1440 to 1473 while prince Ginuwa left Benin to Ode itsekhiri in 1480.
This is about 300 years after omonoyan, son of Izoduwa returned from Ife.

The Urhobos left a bit earlier around the reign of Oba Egbeka, four obas before Ewuare 1.

Benin was never under Yoruba control. Omonoyan despite his privileges as prince turned Oba, the elaborate, complex and strict structure of the monarchy, the overbearing aristocracy and Evian opposition frustrated Omonoyan and soon left to form Oyo monarchy.

What you see as Yoruba culture in Benin is a result of the empire. Influx of various people. Let me remind people that Gov. Obaseki's great great great grand father came from Anioma.

In my part of Edo state, the Yoruboid culture there would be very strange and alien to an average Benin person till today. And it has been around for over 200 years. It was brought in from Eastern Yorubaland. If I didn't know I would say it's due to Yorubaland colonisers. But I know how we came to be how and where we are.

It makes Omonoyan/oranmiyan story from Benin view very plausible. Because our story shows some similarities. Luckily ours is recent enough to have been kept alive.

Bini people and lies sha.
It is quite interesting that Gov. Godwin Obaseki's great great great grandfather came from "Anioma" that was coined and created by Chief Dennis Osadebay in 1951.
You people lie alot, very soon you people will bring out one prince's name and say that he was the one that migrated from Bini and created Anioma since you people are always looking for your princes

Abagworo:
Uguta is Igbo. The stupid identity crisis don't exist here even with the clear migration from Delta via Ilah and Aboh. The Ilah and Aboh people are also Igbos even though there might be fear to admit this truth. Benin expansion, brutality of the kings and cultural influence affected all Igbo speaking communities west of the Niger and forced some to migrate across the river for peaceful life. Most Igbos in the West know they originated from Nshi which many historians believe is Nri but there's nowhere called Nri in Igboland.

"nowhere called Nri?" and thought you were Igbo. Please if you have no credible thing to contribute, just keep quiet. It's obvious you haven't been to Anambra. There is a place called Agukwu Nri in Anaocha Local Government of Anambra state.
I repeat again, please this thread is not for City propaganda and Anti Anambra pictures

I remember, Buhari show them pepper that year

Beautiful. The Igbo Renaissance must continue

Bia Mr OP, I don't know if they sent you here to insult the good people of owerri.
I am seeing picture of Awka and other states in your owerri pictures. Well, the owners of those pictures will baptize you today.
Mr OP you better respect yourself and remove those pictures or....

The Lion himself, the great Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, Ikemba Nnewi, Dike úkwù , Agwụdụgwụ enyi tarụ gbụsia

Discipline was the watch word in Biafran armed forces

Liars see the real young Biafran heroes here analyzing the tactics they used to capture Midwest and invade Ore in present day Ondo state , not those kids playing with wooden bat

proeast:
The kind of narratives you hear some Nigerians, even supposedly educated ones making, can assault anyone's sensibility.

Records have proven that the present day core Igbo areas have always been relatively densely populated, even during prehistoric times. Then how can a place like Ikwerre land that is just a few killometers away from Ngor Okpala and other aboriginal Igbo communities remain empty, even when surrounding areas were already occupied, and waiting for some for some Bini speaking tribes to arrive and occupy Only for the same tribe to completely lose all vestiges of the same Bini language, culture and tradition to those neighboring Igbos who never knew that an empty expanse of land was existing in their backyard

Again, does it mean that only the Igbo speaking areas of Rivers State such as Etche, Ikwerre, Ogba etc. that all lost their Bini language, culture and tradition while all those in Abia and Imo states retained theirs? How ridiculous!!

If Igboland that never engaged in territorial expansion except in isolated cases like the Bende areas of Abia state, could not impose their language, culture and tradition on the other minorities like the Ibibio, Efiks and Anangs then how were they able to achieve that with those in Rivers State? If changing people's culture, language and traditions were that easy, then why did the Bini in Edo state able to retain theirs despite all the Yoruba incursions in their areas while the phantom ones that migrated to Rivers State all lost theirs to Igbos.

They think we are all simpletons

Bkayyy:
Arọ confederacy was the only empire from the south of Nigeria that their aim of conquest was for the control of trade. Don't confuse yourself please

Incase you don't know, Arọ confederacy involves Arọ Chukwu, some parts of ibibio with full militarized clans which includes Ohafia, Abam and Afikpo with sole aim of trade control.
See, Ohafia, Abam and Afikpo are known as full militarized Igbo clans in ancient times, so don't insult yourself if you don't know about other southern tribes history apart from Bini

Arọ confederacy was the only empire from the south of Nigeria that their aim of conquest was for the control of trade. Don't confuse yourself please

Etinosa1234:
So u are asking what Benin has to prove the might of the ancient military ... Bro .I can't ve educating u for free... if u had... u'll had known abt Arhuan, esigie , Ewuare etc...

Ur ohafia war dance sef is a just a mockery of yourself...Tell me how many villages ur dance have conquered...

Benin form of conquest was not of subjugation but to control trade...

Read this pages for ur brain to reload a bit

Read about Arọ confederacy. Please don't get me wrong when I say Ohafia war dance, it is not a dance of war that looks like poco Lee zanku of Naira Marley gbe body, it is similar to the European military death March. It is called war dance because the Europeans can't call the real name which is "Ikpịrịkpị ọgụ Ohafia", just like the European death March, it is a way of showing military might and not for mere entertainment. Though both the European death March and Ohafia Ikpịrịkpị ọgụ can serve as entertainment to certain people but main aim of the demonstration is military might. It is normally performed before and after a military campaign

proeast:
I think it's high time you quit arguing with him, his arguments are all driven by emotions instead of logic/common sense.

Firstly, we are talking about prehistoric times, a Savage era when primitive dwellers did not trust each other. There is no way a non Igbo group or tribe that spoke a totally different language that is not in anyway mutually intelligible with that of the Igbos who were Aborigines to the areas, could successfully cross the River Niger and pass through many Igbo communities on the way, before getting to the present day Bende areas and even displace the Ibibios too. For such an expedition to happen successfully, you would have large numbers or army that would be conquering those you meet on your route otherwise the Aborigines would take you captives as slaves. If the Idu were to be situated on that axis, it could have been a little plausible, but for a small number of non Igbo migrants to move across the entire breath of Igboland before establishing a settlement is a fallacy.

Well said. It is also noted that in the battle of arọ Chukwu with the ibibio, there was a stalemate before Eze Agwụ invited oké Nnachi which later decided the fate of the war. Now can the Number seeking claimer explain to us how an immigrant from Idu that bears Eze Agwụ (Igbo names) could know his way around igboland, seek alliance with somebody in igboland that has Igbo name, convince him with Idu language that obviously both were not mutual speakers or did they have an interpreter if they were not Igbos.
These guys think we are still in 19th Century where they can lie with English and go away with it

Etinosa1234:
U are very funny...

So u expect Benin that was not longer what it was, Benin that was not independent anymore, benin that had no stake in the war to be heavily involved...

Benin was never powerful when compared to the big three. All Bini stories of power are one sided myths without confirmation from the other party. There is a big difference between mere influence and military might. Bini claims to conquer heaven and earth whereas there is no physical evidence to prove it. Bini conquered Yorubas as they say, yet a Yoruba blood is the Oba. Bini conquered western Igbos as Bini claim, yet there is more Igbo influence on Bini and minimal Bini influence on Western Igbos and none of the western Igbos can narrate how a Bini soldier look like. My brother once a country is considered an ancient power, some elements of their ancient military will still remain till date. The yoruba have aare ona kankafo till date. Ohafia have their war dance which shows their military strategy in ancient times, what does Bini have to prove the might of their ancient milltary? Nothing except tales of how they defeated heaven and earth, how Izoduwa swept the village with palm tree.
Just know this, the picture below is an illustration of where Bini flexes muscle with any member of the big three, especially Igbos that have modern physical history with you that everybody is aware of.

Etinosa1234:
So u take a battle with minimum resistance as victory.... Y'all were always powerless hence the reason u faltered easily at hands of strong opposition at ore

Besides Benin were not independent and didn't have a standing army...So how do u want them to defend themselves...

Why don't u think atimes

"Battle with minimal resistance" that's how it's supposed to be when confronted by a superior force. This is the reason Bini should not be the first to talk about power when discussing with the "big three". Take a look at same history of the Civil War and see why a big three is always a big three. When the same convoy that took Bini in matter of hours faced the yorubas at ore were there minimal resistance as call it? No, there was actually serious resistance showing that they encountered people near or totally their match even though the yoruba were not as motivated as the igbos.
Just know this incase you judge Igbos by the map you see about South East. BINI is equivalent in power as one community in igboland where we have hundreds of it.
Ask yourself this question if the scenario of the Civil War was to repeat itself, can Bini stand Igbos?
The picture below was from Benin city in Mid west during the war. A wise person never measure power with his superiors, be wise and allow the yoruba and hausa-fulani measure power with Igbos

I like the way credible and reasonable historians are partaking in this thread. All the Benin mythical lies are being debunked. Benin being among the first to meet the white men is not an avenue to twist history. In the ancient times Bini is a bona-fide vassal of the yoruba. Nothing more than that.
Imagine Bini without any standing army claiming empire when Oyo is around the corner

oyatz:
Some people just like very childish chest beating.



It's well documented that in Southern Nigeria, the two most developed and strongest pre-colonial States were Oyo Empire and the Bini Empire.

There was no Igbo Empire. As a matter of fact, the village was the highest political sophistication, east of the Niger.

If British Colonialism had not happened, Onitsha, Oguta and most of the S/East would have become provinces of the Great Benin Empire.




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Speaking of if.
If not for the federal armed forces and UAR armed forces, wouldn't Benin have been a colony of Biafra?
Atleast we've conquered Benin as a whole once, during the Civil War (invasion of Mid-west by Major Banjo of the Biafran armed forces in 1966).
Benin as whole has fallen to Igbos once, can the same be said about Igbos?

There is nothing like "Ebonyi Police", it is called "Nigerian Police". You are trying to make it look like Ebonyi is fighting IPob. Yorubas self

Even Somalia, Chai Nigeria don die finish.
And we are here celebrating fly overs and arguing tooth and nail about Lagos and ABA