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As usual when an empty tank has nothing to stay he will resort to insults and diversion


Who committed the 1st shirk?
Evidence was given

Yet instead of rebutting it , empty shell decided to disgrace himself the more with nothing but emptiness like someone suffering from camel urine or devil's urine in his ear


Now back to the Question....who committed the 1st shirk ? Islamic Allah that commanded it? The angels who obeyed it ? Or Islamic Adam who enjoyed the adoration. Worship...or my guy ilbliss who insisted that this is SHIRK and refused to bow in prostration to MAN and was Punished for it by sending him to hell

Despite he was not an Angel.... and it's Shirk to bow to man in heaven that angels bow to Islamic Aallah

Lai lah ilah lah ibliss rosul lahi

Rashduct4luv:
I don't worship people! Neither do i genuflect but i do greet.

Of course to worship Allah without partners is the reason we are created!

Allah says in Quran 51:56:
I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me.

You worship a man...ok you venerate a man ...and that is worship According to Islam

Rashduct4luv:
My Father is not God!

Is your father God?

Is Allah A Father?

Allah said he would have been a father if he sees a girlfriend


That is why he is not a father

Rashduct4luv:
The greatest sin is Islam is the association of partners to Allah especially in worship!

Anyone who dies in that will never be in paradise but hell forever.

But Allah is the 1st to commit shirk

what is SHIRK?

SHIRK is a grave sin that Allah hated wirh passion, infact it is called the worst sin

furthermore SHIRK is associating partner with ALLAH in worship, devotion and obedience

BOWING TO ANYONE WITH YOIR FACE ON THE GROUND IN REVRENCE OTHER THAN ALLAH IS SHIRK... ANYONE WHO DOES THAT IS PROMISED HELL AND JUDGEMENT



​"Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin." (Surah An-Nisa, 4:48)


​"Indeed, he who associates others with Allah—Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:72


​"And it was already revealed to you and to those before you that if you should associate [anything] with Allah, your work would surely become worthless, and you would surely be among the losers." (Surah Az-Zumar

The worst that can happen to someone is to use AI to be replying which will implicate you as it will go further to expose you that


You are not the one talking ...


Who wrote the Qur'an ?

Is it you ?

Is it me?

Please i beg everyone to check this arabic word out for yourself

Forget Dogma forget what you are told... forget what I am telling you ....check it out by yourself

Sibghah. S-B-GH




Bear in mind that it is ALLAH SPEAKING in HiS QURAN....HDITH AND TASFIR is men trying to correct or white wash the verse because it embarrasses ALLAH .

And contradicts claims in the quran and show its human authorship.


...I await replies...

There is more from where the verse came from

najib632:
The word صبغ is not used in the fashion you are attributing it to, it used in relation to soaking or engulfing which is the root word it stems from. The proper word to identify the hue or tint of an object is لون.

If you want to quote the verse more literally you could say:

The pigment [or dye] of Allāh. And who is better than Allāh in pigmenting [or dying]? And we are worshippers of Him.

The above will not really pass the message of the verse in English. Which goes against the essence of the Qur'an as it is meant to be pondered upon and understood.

An exegesis on the verse:

English - Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged)
(And He is the Hearer, the Knower). Allah said,
﴾صِبْغَةَ اللَّهِ﴿
(The Sibghah of Allah). Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas commented, "The religion of Allah." This Tafsir was also reported of Mujahid, Abu Al-`Aliyah, `Ikrimah, Ibrahim, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak, `Abdullah bin Kathir, `Atiyah Al-`Awfi, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, As-Suddi and other scholars.

A more proper translation would be:
English - Sahih International
[And say, "Ours is] the religion of Allāh. And who is better than Allāh in [ordaining] religion? And we are worshippers of Him."


I will not bother to answer your other questions since they are something you would've known if you were actually interested enough to read the chapter.

The Qur'an is not a book that can be interpreted by those who lack a deep understanding of the Arabic language. A common issue with many orientalist critiques of Islam is a lack of rigorous research. This often stems from an obliviousness toward the vast depth of Islamic scholarship, or perhaps a deliberate attempt to underestimate it. Either way, it reflects poorly on the academic standard of their arguments.

4. The conclusion... you failed to reassert what

we ( ALLAH) are worshippers of HIM( ALLAH)
Lahun abidun

The questions back to you is explain this place to me (us)
Bear in mind Quran is the direct speach of ALLAH.


Instead of trying to insult me...
Explain what the verse mean since you know more than me ....do DAWAH to make it clear


So in conclusion

ALLAH has a colour/ dye/tint
Allah worship Allah
Based on Quran 2 vs 138.
Remember this is Allah speaking...and Quran is clear and detailed.



​بِاسْمِ الآبِ وَالاِبْنِ وَالرُّوحِ الْقُدُسِ
​Bismil-Aabi wal-Ibni war-Ruuhil-Qudus

najib632:
The word صبغ is not used in the fashion you are attributing it to, it used in relation to soaking or engulfing which is the root word it stems from. The proper word to identify the hue or tint of an object is لون.

If you want to quote the verse more literally you could say:

The pigment [or dye] of Allāh. And who is better than Allāh in pigmenting [or dying]? And we are worshippers of Him.

The above will not really pass the message of the verse in English. Which goes against the essence of the Qur'an as it is meant to be pondered upon and understood.

An exegesis on the verse:

English - Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged)
(And He is the Hearer, the Knower). Allah said,
﴾صِبْغَةَ اللَّهِ﴿
(The Sibghah of Allah). Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas commented, "The religion of Allah." This Tafsir was also reported of Mujahid, Abu Al-`Aliyah, `Ikrimah, Ibrahim, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak, `Abdullah bin Kathir, `Atiyah Al-`Awfi, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, As-Suddi and other scholars.

A more proper translation would be:
English - Sahih International
[And say, "Ours is] the religion of Allāh. And who is better than Allāh in [ordaining] religion? And we are worshippers of Him."


I will not bother to answer your other questions since they are something you would've known if you were actually interested enough to read the chapter.

The Qur'an is not a book that can be interpreted by those who lack a deep understanding of the Arabic language. A common issue with many orientalist critiques of Islam is a lack of rigorous research. This often stems from an obliviousness toward the vast depth of Islamic scholarship, or perhaps a deliberate attempt to underestimate it. Either way, it reflects poorly on the academic standard of their arguments.

3.you raise the notion that I have to be arabic before I can know arabic ... based on your assertion that means you can't be a Muslim unless you are an arab.

Arabic is more or less like any other language that I fell in love with... is not hard like CHINESE OR EDO LANGUAGES.

SO yes I understand arabic language and I am learning It to communicate, research and read the Quran


Arabic language is like another language...nothing special

najib632:
The word صبغ is not used in the fashion you are attributing it to, it used in relation to soaking or engulfing which is the root word it stems from. The proper word to identify the hue or tint of an object is لون.

If you want to quote the verse more literally you could say:

The pigment [or dye] of Allāh. And who is better than Allāh in pigmenting [or dying]? And we are worshippers of Him.

The above will not really pass the message of the verse in English. Which goes against the essence of the Qur'an as it is meant to be pondered upon and understood.

An exegesis on the verse:

English - Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged)
(And He is the Hearer, the Knower). Allah said,
﴾صِبْغَةَ اللَّهِ﴿
(The Sibghah of Allah). Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas commented, "The religion of Allah." This Tafsir was also reported of Mujahid, Abu Al-`Aliyah, `Ikrimah, Ibrahim, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak, `Abdullah bin Kathir, `Atiyah Al-`Awfi, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, As-Suddi and other scholars.

A more proper translation would be:
English - Sahih International
[And say, "Ours is] the religion of Allāh. And who is better than Allāh in [ordaining] religion? And we are worshippers of Him."


I will not bother to answer your other questions since they are something you would've known if you were actually interested enough to read the chapter.

The Qur'an is not a book that can be interpreted by those who lack a deep understanding of the Arabic language. A common issue with many orientalist critiques of Islam is a lack of rigorous research. This often stems from an obliviousness toward the vast depth of Islamic scholarship, or perhaps a deliberate attempt to underestimate it. Either way, it reflects poorly on the academic standard of their arguments.

2 . The point you raised is the tasfirs and hadiths footnote on the verse, which is really good but it creates multiple problems

A. QURAN word of Allah and Hadith , tasfir which one is the one ALLAH gave prophet Qutham?

B.which one is more reliable

C.Allah repeatedly said it in the QUR'AN that is a complete package, clear and precise and true.. you trying to use human commentary to white wash what Allah have said is haram and a shirk

D how dare you as a human contradict the very words of Allah . astragafullahi

Remember the verse....Surah 2 vs 138 ....ALLAH IS SPEAKING NOT YOU

THE COLOUR/DYE/TINT OF ALLAH

How is family, hope you are doing good!

Concerning your reply thanks for been civil though you went off...please let's make it civil


1. You talked about the colour of Allah as TINT and that I didn't understand it but after your explanation you still ended up with dye... and still back to my point ...Allah has a colour

The arabic word is. Sibghah. S-B-GH. which is technically translated as dye , paint , tint which all points 👉 to a colour..... ALLAH HAS A COLOUR.

note this is Allah speaking not Qutham not Jibril or sahabas. But Allah SWT

Surah 2 vs 138
The Colour/dye/ paint/ tint of Allah

Which confirms that Allah has a colour.

You won't be ready for my answer

how did i end up in this scenario of space and time

IAM4BAT4plus4:
😂 You are panicking already


Does it mean you can't explain those verses? And mind you, I have a whole lot o

Please concentrate.


Are you scared?


I asked a question
You agreed to answer...only with another questions....

Though is not conventional or reasonable I said outvof the 2 questions I will answer 1 ...then you answer my QUESTION...then I answer the other 1 from you.


Only for you to say you have more questions


Are u drinking 🐫 camel urine again?
Or the devil urine is blocking your ear and nose ?


Now concentrate
Should I answer 1 of your question ..and you answer mine( NAME ONE GOOD THING ABOUT ISLAM?) then I answer the remaining 1

Remember I am the one that first ask the simple question.

Don't panic

mynd1:
God bless Iranians... Let that lunatic Donald Trump see this

The real lunatic is the islamic terrorist regime that is hiding under bunkers while asking children to be bomb subjects.



If only Islamic regime in Iran knows what's coming


Trump Akbar

TenQ:
All you needed to do was to find a single instant where any Angel did NOT COMFORT a person having fears due to Fear Induced Angelic encounters.
If there is NONE, then you have no case and it is certainly a problem for Islam that an apparition who doesn't act like any known angel became an Angel in Islam


Too bad, the story was from early Muslim scholars and not Christians or Jews so, you have no excuse. The story became weak only because of exposure to the bible causing it to be incredibly nonsensical.


With suitable evidences, Do Jibril have many forms? Is he a transformer?

You said that Jibril appeared to Mohammed in his TRUE FORM, didn't you?

Explain how Jibril's true form can enter a cave that is 2m high


Gabriel is linked with INFORMATION not Revelation. God Himself gives Revelation.

Tell me,
With evidence, Did Moses, David and Isa recieved Revelations from any Angel?



We as Christians are commanded to TEST all spirits wether they are the from God or satan.
1John 4:1:
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

As we know, Khadija did a striptease on Mohammed to test if the apparition was Jibril or a Jinn.

Meaning that Satan could have well passed for Jibril and he successfully did that in Islam.

Is it true that Angels will NOT view the bodies of naked women?
Is it true that Angels CANNOT enter a room wherein their are dogs?




The fact that you find the Satanic Verses and the story behind it embarrassing makes it even more credible as YOUR early Muslim Islamic scholars reported it.

Till tomorrow, you have refused to give me the reason for the verse.



No sir.
My case rest on Islamic writings written by your early Muslim scholars. Your only argument is to deny their claims.

There is nothing like weak hadiths

If rejected Jewish and christian apocryphal and fables can find there way into the Quran and hadith

To me it is right and just that all hadiths are SAHIH to me a christain



Church Agbasa

72 virgin X 10,000 islamic TERRORIST =



Allah is busy in production line

Please there is difference between the beautiful and intelligent people of IRAN



NOT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST ruling


That is why U.S and Israel are somehow hooked on how to decimate them


Long live good people of Iran

Men be watchful of the pastor your wife relate with...many have known that women are senile and loose there moral when it comes to god of men.


Married women are the easiest to sleep with in the church ⛪

Judgement will start from the house of God

Historically

AL ZUTT are people from the Pakistan/ Indian axis


They are tall and slim

They have stamina for working

They are rumoured to be sexually active

And in Arabia then it is believed that a sexually active man that f***k another man , he has given the bend over man his strength... sexually activated charged individual.

IAM4BAT4plus4:
Yes I can discuss only when you are ready to explain these Bible verses to me convincingly without the intervention of one fictional spirit
.

1 Samuel 15vs 3

Mathew 10.34

So in your brain or society you use question to answer question?

I will indulge you I will answer 1 and you answer me ...then I answer the remaining 1

Is that OK?
Please don't panic

Kushites:
IF YOUR BRAIN WAS WORKING WELL, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NO COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO ATTACK AND INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY UNPROVOKED.

A CRIMINAL, ILLEGAL INVASION AND BOMBARDMENT OF A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY IN VIOLATION OF ALL INTERNATIONAL LAW IS WHAT YOU ARE HERE TYPING RUBBISH TO DEFEND.

WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS?

WHY SHOULD INNOCENT CHILDREN BE SLAUGHTERED IN THEIR THOUSANDS AND YOU SUPPORT IT?

WHO RAISED YOU TO BE SO INHUMAN AND WICKED?

IF YOU THINK GOD LOVES HIS CREATION BASED ON THE MAN-MADE RELIGIONS THEY ADOPT OR DON'T ADOPT, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHO THE SUPREME INTELLIGENCE IS.

ONCE YOU LEAVE THIS WORLD, HE WILL SHOW YOU HE LOVES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS CHILDREN EQUALLY, and that their WANTON MASS MURDER YOU SUPPORT, is EVIL TO THE CORE.

HOPE YOU CAN BEAR HIS WRATH BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO TRUMP and NO NETANYAHU THERE TO SAVE YOU, WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO STAND BEFORE HIM AND ACCOUNT FOR YOUR ACTIONS IN THIS LIFE.

The same way Rosul Allah invaded mecca. Khybar. Syria. Pakistan, Spain, North Africa precisely Nigeria

What do you say about that?

mynd1:
This is where I pity you lots. Y'all have been brainwashed by many anti Islam propagandas. Which Quran supports killing just because that person is not from your religion? Well I don't blame you, because na me weh get your time

I understand your point, but if I show you 10 clear verses of Quan and sahih Hadiths that says the opposite of what you are saying.... that Muslims are mandated to kill non Muslims

Will you reconsider?

If I show you that Anobi Muhammed owns slaves, infact black slaves worth less to him



Can I show you?

Please this is not about sentiments but fact, what you do with that fact is up to you

Shukraan

mynd1:
You like me, I like you back. You talk rubish about me and my religion, I deal with you simple.

Nice assertion


Please tell me 1 good thing about

Islam+ al Quran kareem + Rosul Mohammed



Can we discuss that ?

mynd1:
All I have to say is God bless Iran for teaching America and Israel that not everyone can be bullied.

As for you up, I don't like you cause you full of hate for Muslims and Islam.

Please don't be offended


I like Islam...but can you tell me 1 good thing about Islam that is so remarkable and spectacular that shows it is divine?


Please just 1

Gabrielshow26:
That's Shirk my brother👌. Allah unwittingly... Or perhaps the Quranic author👀 unwittingly made them commit shirk😮‍💨.

The same way Abraham was made to commit shirk by calling the Sun, Moon and stars👀: Lord!

Allah—if we are to go by "Allah's words cannot be changed narrative👀"—unwittingly 🤦🏾‍♂️made the whole of heaven commit shirk based on the worship of the lamb in Revelation👀.

I guess Allah just loves to make people🤔...beings👀 commit shirk👀. All in all, just like "the best of mankind" opined👀. He is surely the best of deceivers...Oops😧🙀, my bad...planners😁😮‍💨!

The best of Deceiver....that is what the arabic word says

That was why he said all Muslims will first be in hell , then he go and shop for a christain and a jew to be there ransome. The million dollar question is what if he is not bringing anyone as a Deceiver he is the plan was to keep then in hell.


As per the topic ....ALLAH COMMITTED the 1st Shirk.... by commanding the angels to commit shirk also. Only iblisss my guy is a true monotheistic

Tekbil
ILBLISS AKBAR

PART 3

AFTER THIS ACTS HAVE BEEN DONE


ALLAH checked and looked around and saw that All angels bowed down for man except ilbliss

ALLAH: ilbliss why didn't you bow down

ILBLISS; (wondering in his mind what kind of question is this?) You told all the angels to bow , I am not an angel

ALLAH: Is that why you didn't bow?

ILBLISS: first I thought it was a test , you are testing the angels to know if they will commit SHIRK

ALLAH: WHY will you say that?

ILBLISS: bowing and prostration is reserved only for you, now for angels that bow and prostrate before you to do same for a clay, I knew it was a test and the command was to ANGELS not me I am not an angel.

ALLAH : BUT I GAVE THE ORDER

ILBLISS: THAt is the more reason I expected the angels to not associate partner with ALLAH on his throne in heaven , where angels bow for him they are bowing for man

ALLAH: DO you know it was not real worship

ILBLISS: IF it wasn't real worship why not just some angels why ALL the angels... this is shirk. I bow only to ALLAH not man that is made of CLAY, levels dey na

ALLAH: getting angry signal one angel to bring chain to punish ilbliss

ILBLISS: sir if the bowing is just play play why are you trying to punish me... I worship only Allah
( He continues) ok see by levels I am more than man a clay, and you asked angels who are more than me to worship him, which I that is above him can't do I worship only Allah and the command is for angels not ilbliss
ONE ANGEL came with chains and Allah ask him to bind ilbliss

ILLBLIS: What is my crime? Allah is against shirk, the command is for angels to bow not ilbliss who is not an angel, am I an angel? How can I worship man when there is Allah? Lailah ilalah ibliss rosul- lahi

And he was led away to be in Hell fire

PART 2


AFTER Allah made man from clay , he called all the the angels in there magnificent and beautiful, I mean ALL the angels and ibliss my guy who is not angel to come before HiM.

WHEN they arrived He told them look at man after they did , ALLAH said authoritatively to the angels to BOW IN PROSTRATION to the man


All the angels from there ranks and files in the millions and billions bowed down and prostrate before man


But not Ibliss, he did not bow

TenQ:
So, you tell me.

When and how did Jibril introduce himself to Mohammed?

I ask questions to force you admitting the truths you avoid.

hat Allah and Mohammed seems to believe in. my scripture: you are alone in your disbelief bro

This is the beginning of your errors!
Did Jibril ever introduce himself to Mohammed?

Again, why avoid my questions:
When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as looking like (Dihyah al-Kalbi) a man or as an Angel called Jibril?

They messed with the wrong people
I used to fear arabic language based on what I was told but today ...I love that language like kilode... God in heaven made sure he gave loopholes for us to see that this pseudo occultic religion is exposed.

Everything they tell you about Islam...just ask a simple follow up question and watch centuries of lies fall yakata

Quran is a clear word of God that came to correct Abraham , torah(moses) , zabur ( psalms) injeel ( gospel) but it needs Hadiths and tasfir written by men to correct the Quran to correct the bible?

See madness

Angel appear to muhamed and his 1st
impression is that it was an evil spirit or Devil..

.did the angel introduce himself? No idea
Did Muhammed spoke to God directly?... No
When the angel ask Qutham to read( ikra) was there a book? No...then what was he reading? No idea.
Ok when the unknown entity ask him to read was there a book ? NO ....SO what was he reading? No idea



I thought the islamic section is filled with knowledgeable ummah ...
Ko
Ko
Ko

Who is there ? Who wrote the Quran?

Qasim6:
Instead of you to quietly crawl into one hole u still get audacity to dey call me.

U sha wan embarrass yourself?

I go end that your career of jumping from thread to thread shouting Al zutt.

​


Bismil-Aabi wal-Ibni war-Ruuhil-Qudus
بِاسْمِ الآبِ وَالاِبْنِ وَالرُّوحِ الْقُدُسِ


Let me ignore the market noise you are making trying to divert attention
Don't worry you will be Al zutt-ified after this

Please end my career in nairaland
Atleast the islamic section will post my disgraced convo with you.

The silent readers whom are watching and reading my posts and comments all this time will know I am fake or flash

The Muslims can finally shout Allahu akbar

Please Qasim end my career by showing us proof just 2 that Quran is divine and true ?


Please this time don't panic
Concentrate
Don't be clueless


Please everyone beg Alfa Qasim to end my career in the Islamic section

Good day everyone.

Today's lecture we are going to understand one of the fundamental word and driving force of islam
the word SHIRK ,

it's implications and punishments and subsequently the first person to commit this shirk ,

what are His reasons ?

Was it figurative or mere words?
We will look at the arabic words and it's roots and meaning?

And even give possible escape and soft landings for the high moral culprit.
Finally we bring evidences for you to do a soul searching.

reason above sentiments ,

facts above Dogma.

Logic above noise,

truth above conditional lies.


The location : Al jannah ( HEAVEN OR PARADISE)
The actors: are ALLAH , All the Angels made from fire and Ilbliss my guy who is not an angel but a jinn
Supporting Actor: MAN made from dust


PART 1