TenQ: All you needed to do was to find a single instant where any Angel did NOT COMFORT a person having fears due to Fear Induced Angelic encounters. If there is NONE, then you have no case and it is certainly a problem for Islam that an apparition who doesn't act like any known angel became an Angel in Islam
Too bad, the story was from early Muslim scholars and not Christians or Jews so, you have no excuse. The story became weak only because of exposure to the bible causing it to be incredibly nonsensical.
With suitable evidences, Do Jibril have many forms? Is he a transformer?
You said that Jibril appeared to Mohammed in his TRUE FORM, didn't you?
Explain how Jibril's true form can enter a cave that is 2m high
Gabriel is linked with INFORMATION not Revelation. God Himself gives Revelation.
Tell me, With evidence, Did Moses, David and Isa recieved Revelations from any Angel?
We as Christians are commanded to TEST all spirits wether they are the from God or satan. 1John 4:1: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
As we know, Khadija did a striptease on Mohammed to test if the apparition was Jibril or a Jinn.
Meaning that Satan could have well passed for Jibril and he successfully did that in Islam.
Is it true that Angels will NOT view the bodies of naked women? Is it true that Angels CANNOT enter a room wherein their are dogs?
The fact that you find the Satanic Verses and the story behind it embarrassing makes it even more credible as YOUR early Muslim Islamic scholars reported it.
Till tomorrow, you have refused to give me the reason for the verse.
No sir. My case rest on Islamic writings written by your early Muslim scholars. Your only argument is to deny their claims.
There is nothing like weak hadiths
If rejected Jewish and christian apocryphal and fables can find there way into the Quran and hadith
To me it is right and just that all hadiths are SAHIH to me a christain
And in Arabia then it is believed that a sexually active man that f***k another man , he has given the bend over man his strength... sexually activated charged individual.
IAM4BAT4plus4: Yes I can discuss only when you are ready to explain these Bible verses to me convincingly without the intervention of one fictional spirit .
1 Samuel 15vs 3
Mathew 10.34
So in your brain or society you use question to answer question?
I will indulge you I will answer 1 and you answer me ...then I answer the remaining 1
Kushites: IF YOUR BRAIN WAS WORKING WELL, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NO COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO ATTACK AND INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY UNPROVOKED.
A CRIMINAL, ILLEGAL INVASION AND BOMBARDMENT OF A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY IN VIOLATION OF ALL INTERNATIONAL LAW IS WHAT YOU ARE HERE TYPING RUBBISH TO DEFEND.
WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS?
WHY SHOULD INNOCENT CHILDREN BE SLAUGHTERED IN THEIR THOUSANDS AND YOU SUPPORT IT?
WHO RAISED YOU TO BE SO INHUMAN AND WICKED?
IF YOU THINK GOD LOVES HIS CREATION BASED ON THE MAN-MADE RELIGIONS THEY ADOPT OR DON'T ADOPT, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHO THE SUPREME INTELLIGENCE IS.
ONCE YOU LEAVE THIS WORLD, HE WILL SHOW YOU HE LOVES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS CHILDREN EQUALLY, and that their WANTON MASS MURDER YOU SUPPORT, is EVIL TO THE CORE.
HOPE YOU CAN BEAR HIS WRATH BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO TRUMP and NO NETANYAHU THERE TO SAVE YOU, WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO STAND BEFORE HIM AND ACCOUNT FOR YOUR ACTIONS IN THIS LIFE.
The same way Rosul Allah invaded mecca. Khybar. Syria. Pakistan, Spain, North Africa precisely Nigeria
mynd1: This is where I pity you lots. Y'all have been brainwashed by many anti Islam propagandas. Which Quran supports killing just because that person is not from your religion? Well I don't blame you, because na me weh get your time
I understand your point, but if I show you 10 clear verses of Quan and sahih Hadiths that says the opposite of what you are saying.... that Muslims are mandated to kill non Muslims
Will you reconsider?
If I show you that Anobi Muhammed owns slaves, infact black slaves worth less to him
Can I show you?
Please this is not about sentiments but fact, what you do with that fact is up to you
Gabrielshow26: That's Shirk my brother👌. Allah unwittingly... Or perhaps the Quranic author👀 unwittingly made them commit shirk😮💨.
The same way Abraham was made to commit shirk by calling the Sun, Moon and stars👀: Lord!
Allah—if we are to go by "Allah's words cannot be changed narrative👀"—unwittingly 🤦🏾♂️made the whole of heaven commit shirk based on the worship of the lamb in Revelation👀.
I guess Allah just loves to make people🤔...beings👀 commit shirk👀. All in all, just like "the best of mankind" opined👀. He is surely the best of deceivers...Oops😧🙀, my bad...planners😁😮💨!
The best of Deceiver....that is what the arabic word says
That was why he said all Muslims will first be in hell , then he go and shop for a christain and a jew to be there ransome. The million dollar question is what if he is not bringing anyone as a Deceiver he is the plan was to keep then in hell.
As per the topic ....ALLAH COMMITTED the 1st Shirk.... by commanding the angels to commit shirk also. Only iblisss my guy is a true monotheistic
ALLAH checked and looked around and saw that All angels bowed down for man except ilbliss
ALLAH: ilbliss why didn't you bow down
ILBLISS; (wondering in his mind what kind of question is this?) You told all the angels to bow , I am not an angel
ALLAH: Is that why you didn't bow?
ILBLISS: first I thought it was a test , you are testing the angels to know if they will commit SHIRK
ALLAH: WHY will you say that?
ILBLISS: bowing and prostration is reserved only for you, now for angels that bow and prostrate before you to do same for a clay, I knew it was a test and the command was to ANGELS not me I am not an angel.
ALLAH : BUT I GAVE THE ORDER
ILBLISS: THAt is the more reason I expected the angels to not associate partner with ALLAH on his throne in heaven , where angels bow for him they are bowing for man
ALLAH: DO you know it was not real worship
ILBLISS: IF it wasn't real worship why not just some angels why ALL the angels... this is shirk. I bow only to ALLAH not man that is made of CLAY, levels dey na
ALLAH: getting angry signal one angel to bring chain to punish ilbliss
ILBLISS: sir if the bowing is just play play why are you trying to punish me... I worship only Allah ( He continues) ok see by levels I am more than man a clay, and you asked angels who are more than me to worship him, which I that is above him can't do I worship only Allah and the command is for angels not ilbliss ONE ANGEL came with chains and Allah ask him to bind ilbliss
ILLBLIS: What is my crime? Allah is against shirk, the command is for angels to bow not ilbliss who is not an angel, am I an angel? How can I worship man when there is Allah? Lailah ilalah ibliss rosul- lahi
AFTER Allah made man from clay , he called all the the angels in there magnificent and beautiful, I mean ALL the angels and ibliss my guy who is not angel to come before HiM.
WHEN they arrived He told them look at man after they did , ALLAH said authoritatively to the angels to BOW IN PROSTRATION to the man
All the angels from there ranks and files in the millions and billions bowed down and prostrate before man
When and how did Jibril introduce himself to Mohammed?
I ask questions to force you admitting the truths you avoid.
hat Allah and Mohammed seems to believe in. my scripture: you are alone in your disbelief bro
This is the beginning of your errors! Did Jibril ever introduce himself to Mohammed?
Again, why avoid my questions: When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as looking like (Dihyah al-Kalbi) a man or as an Angel called Jibril?
They messed with the wrong people I used to fear arabic language based on what I was told but today ...I love that language like kilode... God in heaven made sure he gave loopholes for us to see that this pseudo occultic religion is exposed.
Everything they tell you about Islam...just ask a simple follow up question and watch centuries of lies fall yakata
Quran is a clear word of God that came to correct Abraham , torah(moses) , zabur ( psalms) injeel ( gospel) but it needs Hadiths and tasfir written by men to correct the Quran to correct the bible?
See madness
Angel appear to muhamed and his 1st impression is that it was an evil spirit or Devil..
.did the angel introduce himself? No idea Did Muhammed spoke to God directly?... No When the angel ask Qutham to read( ikra) was there a book? No...then what was he reading? No idea. Ok when the unknown entity ask him to read was there a book ? NO ....SO what was he reading? No idea
I thought the islamic section is filled with knowledgeable ummah ... Ko Ko Ko
Let me ignore the market noise you are making trying to divert attention Don't worry you will be Al zutt-ified after this Please end my career in nairaland Atleast the islamic section will post my disgraced convo with you.
The silent readers whom are watching and reading my posts and comments all this time will know I am fake or flash
The Muslims can finally shout Allahu akbar
Please Qasim end my career by showing us proof just 2 that Quran is divine and true ?
Please this time don't panic Concentrate Don't be clueless
Please everyone beg Alfa Qasim to end my career in the Islamic section
Today's lecture we are going to understand one of the fundamental word and driving force of islam the word SHIRK ,
it's implications and punishments and subsequently the first person to commit this shirk ,
what are His reasons ?
Was it figurative or mere words? We will look at the arabic words and it's roots and meaning?
And even give possible escape and soft landings for the high moral culprit. Finally we bring evidences for you to do a soul searching.
reason above sentiments ,
facts above Dogma.
Logic above noise,
truth above conditional lies.
The location : Al jannah ( HEAVEN OR PARADISE) The actors: are ALLAH , All the Angels made from fire and Ilbliss my guy who is not an angel but a jinn Supporting Actor: MAN made from dust
Qasim6: I will slap you around with evidence so bad holy communion will start tasting sour in your mouth. You think our religion is like yours with nothing as proof, no evidence, no reliable scripture, only I saw Jesus in my dream and in sha Allah. You must be kidding!
You suddenly don't understand Arabic? When you have been jumping from thread to thread shouting Al-zutt and analysing Qur'anic arabic.
When you provide response to the one gave you, I'll give you another.
And I'll also want you to respond to my refutation of your Qur'an contain apocryphal stories hence it is false. Why do you think the canonised books contain absolute truth and the non canonised books contain absolute falsehood, such that if the Qur'an contains anything from apocryphal then it automatically make it false.
For now, I'm outta here
Alfa onigbo are you sure you are alright? Why jumping from one topic to the other, can you stay in one place.
Let's settle one before another
So if camel 🐫 urine isn't too much for you
You said you will prove the Quran is the word of Allah and it is true
I said please give me (us) one or two
You brought some arabic numerical miracles, but because others are also reading it I said make it simple for us in English
But really of all the Quranic blunders you picked Islamic numeric miracle ... are you sure ? A 1970 wish wash ? With me? Haaaaa A conjectures that even Muslims rejected
Please write the arabic words in English and see me destroy it with 2 replies
TenQ: You said: There are mutawatir hadith where the companions see Jibril : can you quote such hadiths and their chain of reference? How can you prove these
You said: And the prophet indeed spoke with Allah on the night of Isra wal-miraj. Unfortunately, if this is true, it brings up several problems within Islam.
Did Mohammed literally go to paradise cause you must answer my questions if indeed he went to paradise.
i can bet my 2 plots of land in ijebu ode that he will never answer you ... rather insult... just watch and see.
always making claims no evidence
all what you know about islam is lies ... just ask qquestion the nexr thing ...everything fall yakata
is only nominal christains they can hoodwink( i say this in humility to my Saviour)
I thought your God died on Friday? Is it 3 days and 3 night already? Well, you can believe whatever lies you want to believe, that's non of my problem any way.
You claimed prophet Muhammad was only making up the text of Qur'an as he go
Let me share with you a feature of the Qur'an, maybe, just maybe it will make you think deeply and free yourself from lies.
The Qur'an was revealed over 23 yrs, there are verses that are answers to questions asked in real time, there are verses that are prophecies, all kind of verses... Now in modern time, we discover opposite words tend to have same count, it's something you can easily verify, so don't come back here with your foolishness.
Al-dunya - Al akhira–115 times Al-Hayat - Al Mawt – 145 times Al-salihat - Al-sayyiat – 167 times Al bard - Al Harr – 4 times And so much more....
The occurrences are so profound that you can't call it coincidence but the author intended it even before the first word of the Qur'an 'Read' was revealed.
Is this what a book where the author is only just making it up as he go supposed to look like? You think the Qur'an is a copy and paste job like your synoptics? You must be a joke.
I can see uou are still sleeping or maybe drinking camel urine.
Ok wake up don't sleep
Everyone did you hear when he said he will bring proof that the Quran is the word of Allah?
Did you hear him say this? And I ask for just 2 short evidences...
What did he do?
He wrote some Arabic words with some fantasy numbers... abdul no one understood what you wrote... can you simplify it in English language for everyone to understand in English?
Now this time calm down don't panic
Give me ( us ) one or two proofs that Quran is the word of the Almighty, that it is true and credible? And if I find 3 or 4 evidences to counter it from the original Quran and sahih hadiths will you stop following Qutham?
MaxInDHouse: Some of the writings are proverbial so if care is not taken different readers will translate it differently but the truth remains that Islam has failed woefully!😟
My brother please understand thisal Quran kareem is the direct word of Allah not man not angel..... this is a fact
Another thing is that it is clear and detailed guidance...... this is a fact.
Now let's bring those 2 touted parroted Islamic truth into Quran 2 vs 138.... then you see a problem and more problems and lies of centuries
The arabic word used. ....sibghata.....that means dye, colour, tint,
Another araabic word lahu abidun.....we are worshippers of Him
What?
If you use the above 2 facts above.
It means Allaah has a colour It means Allah worship another Allah
Infact the haadith and tasfir complicated it more
It shows that the Quran is not what it says it was I have 30 something verses like that ...
Muslims please read it for yourselves with the Dogma you were told and see for yourself
I pray RUH AL QUDUS open your eyes to see truth that YASUA AL MASSIH is the TRUTH to the glory of AL RAB
Qasim6: I can prove the Qur'an is the word of the creator of this universe, but I'm not in the mood to grant you d*nce blasphemers that now because your foolishness is comic to me.
If you are not slow, you will know those books you are calling apocryphal they are no better off or worst off from the ones they canonised for you. They all books written by anonymous authors, written years after the events they narrate. So on what ground do you believe the canonised books contain absolute truth and the un canonised contain absolute false?
You are just slow and you have no one to tell you.
How are you ? Today our Lord YASUA AL MASSAIH ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
Concerning what you wrote you made several claims..
But let's start from the first one Prove to me ( us) that Quran is the word of Allah?
Please just 2 short evidence Please don't panic Just 2 short evidence
Does Allah have a colour? Does Allah have another Allah that He WORSHIPPED
Quran 2:138 (Surah Al-Baqarah) Arabic: صِبْغَةَ اللَّهِ ۖ وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ مِنَ اللَّهِ صِبْغَةً ۖ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ عَابِدُونَ Allah is a dye colour , and we are His worshipper
We must note - first of all - that these words mentioned in the Gospel of John are not the words of “Christ,” but rather the words of “John.” Christ did not say such words at all.
Christ never said that He was the Word
With extensive study and knowledge, we will find that they are the words of a Jewish person named (Philo of Alexandria) (20 BC - 40 AD) who lived in the Hellenistic era in Alexandria. He was a philosopher and thinker who was influenced by Greek philosophy.
It is known that John wrote his Gospel after the death of Philo and borrowed the term from him.the Word
Then if the Word is God and the Word became flesh, this means God becoming flesh, and this is a change in God, and their book says 6 “I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. [Malachi 3:6]
*****(The crucifixion of Christ is pure fantasy) %%%% (A)
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In the Holy Qur’an, God denied the crucifixion of Christ:
Surah an-Nisa' 157. And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.
158. But Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty and Wise.
Islam says: (Jesus, peace be upon him, was neither killed nor crucified)
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The most common belief among Christians is that Jesus was crucified and died.
But the question is:
Who said that Jesus was crucified and died, and that this actually happened?
In fact, when we look at the verses
that Christians use to prove this belief, we find that 95% of these verses are from Paul's letters.
The verses used to prove this belief are very few from the Gospels,
which raises a question mark about their source.
And whether Jesus really said that he would die on the cross?
Let us examine together and examine this compelling evidence
of the contradiction between their beliefs and the Bible:
1 - At the moment of the Roman soldiers' approaching crucifixion,
Christ withdrew to himself in the Garden of Gethsemane and prayed to God the Father.
He called upon Him and begged Him to save him from this ordeal.
From this, we can see that crucifixion
was not the true purpose of Christ's presence on earth.
Otherwise, He would have surrendered to crucifixion without resistance or seeking God's help.
(Luke 22:42):
(“Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me.”"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 - None of Christ's followers were present at Christ's crucifixion,
except for a few women.
In fact, some accounts in the Gospels cast doubt on their presence there.
This doubt comes from Christian scholars themselves,
based on the testimony of witnesses. So what does it tell us?
They can't even agree on what Jesus was wearing, drinking, doing, or saying at the time of the crucifixion.
Matthew 27:28 tells us:
The Roman soldiers dressed Jesus in a scarlet robe.
(They stripped Him and put a scarlet robe on Him..)
John 19:2 says:
(and dressed Him in a purple robe.)
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Matthew 27:34 says:
(The Romans gave Jesus sour wine mixed with gall.)
Mark 15:23 says: (It was mixed with myrrh.)
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Mark 15:25 tells us: (Jesus was crucified before the third hour.)
But John 19:14-15 says:
It was about the sixth hour.
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Luke 23:46 says that Jesus' last words were "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit."
But John 19:30 says they were "It is finished!"
Now, wait a minute.
Jesus's righteous followers would have clung to his every word in his final days.
On the other hand, Mark 14:50 tells us that all the disciples left Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look with me at what God says about you in the Holy Qur'an:
(((82. You will find the most hostile towards the believers to be the Jews and those who associate. And you will find the nearest in affection towards the believers to be those who say, “We are Christians.” That is because among them are priests and pastors, and they are not arrogant.
83. And when they hear what was revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears, because of the truth they recognize. They say, “Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses.”."
Now if jesus did not die in Jerusalem.....the roman didn't know, the scribes and pharisees didn't know, the people didn't know... then after 600yeaes + in the desert of arabia , Qutham said he didn't die
Please please who died? Use the Quran to tell us who died? Because someone died that night if it is not yasua al massih who DIED?
eninn: Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) was the last prophet sent by Allah.
To understand why he was the last messenger, we need to first understand what exactly was the purpose behind sending any prophets by Allah.
1) The prophets, Jesus, Moses, Noah, Muhammad and the other prophets of Allah (peace be upon them all) were all sent with a single mission. The Mission was to remind the people of the reality of afterlife, to tell them about Allah, enjoin them to do good and teach them the religion of Allah.
2) Allah says, that a prophet was sent to every tribe/people and 5 books were revealed upon the prophets. However the books as we know were either fabricated or lost later on after the prophets. (eg: the Bible has no single version)
Now the point to note is that uptill now Allah says that each prophet was send to his or her own people.
3) Allah says, that Prophet Muhammad was sent as a messenger to the whole of mankind and jinnkind. Allah communicated the Quran through him to us.
NOW COMES THE ANSWER...
Prophet Muhammad taught the people everything about Islam all its fundamentals, rights, rites, salaah, etiquettes and other frameworks. Allah through Prophet Muhammad, revealed the Quran as the guidance for all men and Jinn.
PLUS, Allah himself has vouched that the Quran will be preserved till the end of time (judgement day)
NOW THE EXPLANATION:
Earlier all the prophets except Prophet Muhammad were sent mainly to their own people (Moses to people of Israel, etc). PLUS the instructions/books given to them were after their death either fabricated or lost.
Prophet Muhammad on the other hand was NOT sent to a particular community or nation or a group of people but to humanity at large. Secondly, the message revealed to him in the form of the Quran will be preserved till the end of time as promised by Allah.
Thus, the final reminder and everlasting message has been sent by Allah and Thus, there arise no need for further Prophets or instruction (books) to appear, since we have the final frameworks and instruction with Prophet Muhammad and the Quran.
The message of Islam has spread far and wide across all globe, some people revert to it some avert from it, nonetheless they have heard about it and are aware of Allah as the supreme deity. Whether they choose to accept it or not is their choice and is between them and Allah.
Thus to CONCLUDE, since all the conditions for sending the prophets have been fulfilled and the Quran will last till the end of time (judgement day).
Speaking from common sense of the above explanation there arises no need for sending anymore Prophets, they will have no mission left even if they are sent to earth.
The only thing left now is for us to take heed of the message of the QURAN.
Prophet Muhammad (p) was the Last & Final Messenger of Allah who was Sent for the Whole of Humanity