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dangermouse:
The body mass difference is huge which translates to many things.

Child abuse

honesttalk21:
In all this irrelevance you don't show where Allah in the Quran defines the trinity as you claim as God, Jesus and Mary. The credibility of your statements is at stake here.

ok Habibi lets start from here and confirm it

my point is that Allah said trinity is Jesus Mary and Alalh... which shows his cluelessness and les and blasphemy

" (Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:73):
​"They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.' And there is no god except one God..."

So here we can all see that Allah says he is 3rd of trinity which is absurd nobody calls Allah as part of trinity or neither do we believe that trinity is divided into 1/3 you see the cluelessness of the writer of the Quran.

So confirm this before I bring the other 2 1/3

And nope you won't be blind to this or you are embarrassed by an Almighty islamic Allah confused about trinity

Eleph:
The state of Israel is nothing but a terrorist state that is always out to create chaos and banditry.

Name 1 eru arabu

We are waiting

And Allah will surely help those who help His cause. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might." (Quran 22:40)



The islamic Allah is not around




Let's shout more so he can hear

Allah Akbar
Allahu akbar
Note ( akbar means mouse in hebrew language )

Since Allah can't enter his creation



How did he spoke directly to those in hell?


Is that not contradictions?

When Allah called Islamic moosaaa was he in his creation or outside his creation


Since he spoke to him directly


Is that not contradictions?


What is the name of mooosaaa wife?

The name of his father in law?

When Allah spoke to mooosaaa what was he doing as job and how did he come about it?

All from the Quran

Ok I am here now

The best is for you to study Islam and see for yourself.


A religion based on lies , empty claims and more lies .


Correction: Christain don't hate Muslims

Have you blame the igbos today?



Try it

It will make your tribalism blood to go up.

honesttalk21:
This is a case of misunderstanding due to misinterpretation of the text, rather than implying that Allah is clueless. The Qur'an does not define the Trinity as Jesus, Mary, and God or anything other according to Christian beliefs; instead, it addresses the exaggerations and practices that placed Mary on the same level as Jesus, which were present in certain groups historically. Disagreeing with Christian theology does not indicate a lack of understanding, and misrepresenting that disagreement does not serve as evidence.

Present where Allah categorically states trinity as God Jesus and Mary. If you could credibly do you would have long before.

Christain theology is solid as ever

I can't say such for Islamic Allah and Muhammed

Are you saying Allah didn't say that trinity is Jesus Mary and Allah? Or you want me to show you? If I show you that Allah said the trinity is Jesus Mary and Allah will you see that he is clueless and he is wrong and a blaspheme? And you will renounce Islam?


Shall we

Qasim6:
Which yeye eyes dey open? last I checked it's Christianity that is now suffering heavily with the availability of scholarly works here and there.
All we have been hearing before is eye witness accounts bla bla bla, now we know they are not so eye witness, more like hearsay and gossips written by unknowns or outright forgeries in some cases.

You need to quit this strawmanning regarding how trinity is described in the Qur'an, it is not looking good on you, you are only exposing ur cluelessness and dishonesty

Qur'an does not anywhere define Trinity as Father, Mary and Jesus, what Qur'an does is condemn people worshipping Mary. Historically, there had been people that did that, even this present day some Christians venerate and pray to Mary, or you think a book that is so much about unity of God is wrong in condemning Christians that engaged in such act?

What Qur'an says concerning Trinity is
"Do not say "trinity" stop for your own good."
We know over the years there have been different from of trinity such as Modalism, Arianism, Tritheism and all different kinds, just name it.
To know how bad it is, Tertullian the first to use the term would even have been an heretic as it is later defined by the nicene-constantinopolitan creed. What Qur'an is doing is condemning every form of trinity, even if you wish to add your own form (Father, Mary and Son) that you are trying very hard to impose on the Qur'an.

Projecting your own insecurity on me.


What is the Trinity = the Father the son the Holy spirit that has been the christains doctrine.

Now came along Allah and he said trinity is = Jesus Msry and Allah what a confused clueless entity that has no idea of what trinity is , are you catching the drift?

Christianity does not care if you disagree but atleast disagree what it believes by saying what it is


You said Christians venerate Mary? Very good , now let me ask is veneration worship? Is it shirk?

Now Muslim when they do Tshahada are they praying to or for Muhammad ? Is that shirk?

If you reply me you will dig yourself deep in exposing Islam.


Now back to the topic What is the Trinity? Christains in the house what is trinity? The Father son and the Holy spirit? Or Jesus Mary and Allah?


Hope you all can see the lies

i cant see my name there


aee you sure the list is correct?

MrFourSHIRTS:
Anambra city of billionaires

You are right.

They are the one that was doing business with Tilummbu in USA


And a drug dealer can be a president...yes is possible

davis51:
Who wins a woman's heart easily?
• A rich guy
• A funny guy
• A handsome guy
• A caring and romantic guy.
. A guy with big gbolâ

Any of them that is heartless and don't give a shit about them.


Women are attracted to bad guys


Though not all but just few

honesttalk21:
Your argument continues to assert a claim that is factually incorrect, and repeating it more forcefully does not make it valid. The Qur’an does not define the Trinity as Allah, Jesus, and Mary. That phrase is not found in the Qur’an. Instead, the Qur’an rejects two specific ideas; 1. the notion that God is three, and 2. the worship of Jesus or Mary alongside God. This is a critique in regard of certain practices and beliefs, rather than a misrepresentation of the Nicene formula. You seem to believe that rejecting the Trinity requires restating the Nicene creed word for word, which is not true. One can dismiss the concept of divine plurality without using church-specific language. Islam fundamentally rejects the entire framework of persons, hypostases, and shared essence. Historically, Christianity has not been monolithic; some groups did venerate or worship Mary, as noted by Church Fathers like Epiphanius. The Qur’an addresses genuine beliefs from late antiquity, not a later, idealized theological perspective. Therefore, the issue is not that Allah is unaware of the Trinity; rather, Islam outright denies the validity of Trinitarian ontology. Disagreement does not equate to ignorance; it represents a theological rejection. Insults will not resolve a flawed premise.

Islam is inconsequential in facts and historical things ... see Islam was tolerated because it was overlooked but now' eyes don open wella'

Seems you are not hearing


Trinity is the father son and holy spirit.

Not Jesus Mary and Allah

I repeat which expose the cluelessness of Alalh

No where have the christains put Mary or Alah as part of the Trinity so for Allah not to know is ....what...cluelessness.


Since you try to say it was not stated that Trinity is Jesus Mary and Alah ... I will pull it up if you responded with lies again.
See how you are exposing yourself ...Allah didn't know what the trinity was. The evidence is before you.

SpaceX:
Anything Islam don tired me, they are a curse to society.

Loud am

Eniitankorede:
Complete rubbish. Islam is far better than Christianity because we control both the mind and what we see. As a muslim you are expected to lower your gaize when you see a woman who is naked. You are also expected not to remain in seclusion with a woman. Fasting has both voluntary and obligatory ones. The obligatory ones you are allowed to proclaim the fast. The voluntary one you are not expected to announce to anybody except yourself.

Your statements show how ignorant you are about Islam. It is the most beautiful religion that legislates and controls your physical interaction, heart and mind. Furthermore, there are countless prayers to prevent you for those fitna (temptations) which is spiritual dimension to it. Tell me if your bible has such comprehensive methods to avoid evil.

You are delusional you know that.

Tell me 1 thing that Islam, Allah and Muhammed taught that is good and remarkable that is exceptional



Please please please we await

honesttalk21:
Your argument is based on a misunderstanding as the Qur’an does not define the Trinity as Allah, Jesus, and Mary. It never explicitly states that the Trinity consists of these figures. This interpretation is something you are projecting onto the text rather than a definition found within it. The Qur’an clearly rejects any notion of associating partners with God, which includes (1) the idea that God is three and (2) the worship of Jesus or Mary alongside God. Verse 5:116 serves as a critique of certain worship practices rather than a theological description of the Nicene Trinity. It reflects the actions of people at that time rather than how Christian doctrines were later established.

Historically, Christianity has been diverse. Some early groups did indeed honor or deify Mary, as noted by Church Father Epiphanius regarding the Collyridians. The Qur’an addresses actual beliefs and practices from late antiquity, not a later, simplified version of Christianity.

To reject a doctrine does not mean one must restate it exactly. One can dismiss the concept of three-ness as illogical without using Nicene terminology. Islam fundamentally rejects the entire framework of the Trinity its persons, substance, and hypostasis.

Asserting that Allah is clueless implies that the Qur’an aimed to define the Trinity, which it did not. Its purpose was to reject the idea of divine plurality and the deification of humans. In this respect, its critique is logically sound. Disagreement does not indicate a lack of understanding; it reflects differing theological views.

You are exposing yourself the more as you defend the loopholes of Islam and Allah.

The trinity has always been The Father the son and the Holy spirit

Not

Jesus Mary and Allah as declared by Arabian god who didn't know anything about the trinity and this further exposed the human authorship of Arabian recitation called Quran.


Now listen again abdul ...if you are going to condemn something atleast state what it was before talking.

You went to school use your brain.


Islam is based on lies qand empty claims ...you refuse the trinity but don't know what it was... Like I said if alalh dosent know what trinity was how can you know.


Are you alright now

honesttalk21:
Despite you labelling 'Taqiyya' 1-6 in one post?

The Trinity is not defined in the Qur'an. It rejects the notion that God is three and denies that God is associated with Jesus, Mary, or anybody else. Instead of redefining the idea, Islam completely rejects it.

Islam has no hold or substance in anything.. no historical or archaeological or fact to back up its claims.... don't get it twisted.

Like always you fail to address my point of the cluelessnes of Allah as to what the trinity was or is, which expose the myth that Quran is divine but a mere commentary.

Back to the point if you care to see it.

The trinity had always been Thr Father , The Son and the Holy spirit.

Now if someone wants to contradict atleast he will say what he is contradicting... is like we all know that president tinubu is the president of Nigeria ( in 2026) if someone wants to critic the president and say Nigeria president is Peter Obi we will say he is senile dishonest and clueless.

Similarly the trinity is the father, the son and the Holy spirit, now if Allah wants to condemn it at least say what the christains believe...now saying The trinity is Jesus Mary and Allah...you see the point habibi?

There was never anywhere at any time that Christains include Mary or Allah to the Godhead so for Allah to say that means he is a Liar and clueless.


So you see Islam is nothing to christainity.
We judge from our book and we see that Islam is lies

From your defence the lies and lies

An Arabian god that dosent know what trinity was and is.

This is just one ( i have 14 )of the cluelessness of Islam and Allah and Muhammed

Lukuluku69:
They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, 'In them is great sin and [some] benefit for people, but their sin is greater than their benefit.' And they ask you what they should spend. Say, 'The excess.' Thus Allah makes clear to you His verses that you may give thought. Quran 2:219

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, (sacrificing on) stone altars (to other than Allah), and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful".Quran 5:90

"Satan only wants to cause between you enmity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist? Quran 5:91

Agreed
Gambling is sin , wine is sin but why are we going to drink wine in jannah?

Biodun556:
isn't it amazing that US military bases around Iran including pseudo state called Israel that US uses to destabilize middle east have now turned around as ransom to prevent US attack?

The 12 Day-War changed a lot in the region. Analyst said 20% of Israel was destroyed with Iranian missiles. Now US had to think twice, exploring alternatives, while Iran continues to grow in might.

All the countries hosting US military bases oppose Trump move to attack Iran because they know the consequences won't be bearable.

I said it that US annex Venezuela to secure oil that will be used by US military to execute attack on Iran.

Oil play major role in war, no military equipment can function without oil.

Any country that refuses to build her military would have herself to blame and that is what Nigeria is going through presently.

Long live Islamic Republic of Iran

A storm is coming


i hope whem it happens you wont cry genocide


The people of Iran must take back there country from the Islamic bandits


FreePersia from river to the sea

HardMirror:
Okay, I just went through a thread here on nairaland announcing the death of a popular Gospel Singer famous for her "Omije Oju" song.

Here is the thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/8599046/video-bunmi-akinnaanu-omije-ojumi

So here is one of the comments I found interesting and insulting to "god" this person said there is nothing pastor can do to heal medical issues. Wait. Is that what your Bible teaches you? So hospital is now greater than the power of Jesus?



This one below says that prayers cannot stop death. SO WHAT IS PRAYER USEFUL FOR?

You only saw what some said and neglected the others who said positive words


You are the problem

You need to look into the mirror to see how hard you life has become

kaybeejnr:
Short answer: No.
Long answer: the question itself is built on a misunderstanding of what the Qur’an is addressing.

The Qur’an does not define the Trinity as “Isa, Maryam, and Allah” in the way you are implying. What it does is criticize multiple Christian beliefs that elevate humans to divine status, and it addresses them separately, not as one formal creed.

Calm down and let’s be precise.

First. What the Qur’an actually says

The Qur’an makes three distinct critiques:

- Those who say Jesus is God

- Those who say God is one of three

- Those who exaggerated Mary to an exalted, semi-divine status

These are not merged into one definition of the Trinity. That merging is something critics do, but not the Qur’an.

When the Qur’an mentions Mary in a context of worship (Qur’an 5:116), it is not defining the Nicene Trinity. It is asking Jesus whether he ever told people to worship him or his mother besides God. That is a rebuke of excessive veneration, not a theological creed statement.

Second, you said “But no Christian sect worships Mary as part of the Trinity!”

That claim is historically careless. While Mary was never part of the formal Nicene formula, early Christianity absolutely had sects and popular practices that:

- prayed to Mary
- treated her as a divine intercessor
- attributed supernatural authority to her
- elevated her in ways indistinguishable from worship to ordinary people (please fact-check me on this)

The Qur’an is responding to lived religious practice, not a church council document written in Greek philosophy centuries after Jesus.
Religion is not only what theologians write, it’s what people actually do.

Third, Christianity itself is not one thing

You keep acting like Christianity has always been a single, unified belief system. That is simply false.

Historically, Christianity had:

- Unitarian Christians
- Adoptionists
- Arians
- Modalists
- Marian cults
- Competing Christologies

The Trinity itself was not finalized until the 4th century, long after Jesus. So appealing to “no sect ever” is historically inaccurate. (simply assume I'm wrong and fact-check all these okay!)

Here comes the real issue you’re avoiding

The Qur’an’s core objection is not who is in the Trinity; it’s the idea of dividing God at all.

Whether you say:

Father, Son, Holy Spirit
or
Jesus, Mary, God

The Qur’an’s position is the same: God is One, indivisible, and unmatched.

You may disagree with that theology — fine.
But claiming “Muhammad messed up” because the Qur’an critiques popular Christian excesses instead of later systematic theology is not an argument. It’s an anachronism.

If your faith is true, it should survive scrutiny without misrepresenting another faith first.

The Qur’an did not misunderstand Christianity.
You misunderstood the Qur’an. There’s a difference.

.I hope you are not coping from chapgpt?

Now back to the issue.

The trinity has always been the father son and holy spirit

Now in the Arabian folklore ( Quran) in trying to talk about trinity puts it as Jesus Mary and Allah, which is complete error and contradiction that whomsoever was Writting the Quran made.

This is a fact.
Trinity is and always be The Father The Son and the Holy Spirit


No Christain take Mary to be God or Godhead

Allah dosent even know what the trinity is


Christianity trinity = Father × Son x Holy spirit= 1


Islam trinity: isa + Mary +Allah

Do you understand now... I know is hard to see that Allah made a mistake

"The Prophet (ﷺ) said: 'Sell him to me,' and he bought him in exchange for two black slaves." (Sahih Muslim)




You can use 2 black slaves to get one person
Slave trade was permitted and done by Muhammad


Islam starred slave trade in Africa with death and decimation of black people


What a wonderful religion

kaybeejnr:
Thank you for your submission bro.

First, I want to tell you that your opening challenge “If I show you contradictions, will you leave Islam?” totally misunderstands faith. And i'll tell you why.

Reasonable people don’t abandon a worldview simply because verses are quoted without framework. Any serious discussion requires methodology, not proof-texting. Christianity itself collapses if verses are read without theology, context, and interpretive principles. Islam is no different.

So to your main claim: “Allah has body parts, therefore Allah is bodily.”
This is where the misunderstanding lies. Islam has always distinguished between affirmation and likening.

Of course, the Qur’an and authentic hadith mention attributes such as Face, Hand, etc. But Islam categorically rejects interpreting these attributes in a human, physical, or created sense.

The Qur’an states clearly: “There is nothing like Him.” (Qur’an 42:11)

This verse is the governing principle. Any interpretation that makes Allah resemble creation is automatically false.

Classical Sunni Islam takes one of two orthodox approaches:

Tafwīd – affirming the attribute as it is mentioned without asking how, and without likening it to creation.

Ta’wīl – understanding such terms metaphorically where the Arabic language allows, in line with divine transcendence.

What Islam does not do is what you are implying: imagining Allah with limbs, dimensions, or physical form. That is explicitly rejected. To say “Allah has hands” does not mean “Allah has human hands,” just as saying “God hears” does not mean “God has ears.”

Your statement “With this it shows Allah is divine” actually misses the point. Why? Because Islam already affirms Allah is divine but not embodied. Divinity does not require physicality. In fact embodiment implies limitation.

As for “Tawḥīd is not in the Qur’an”, this is a weak linguistic argument. Many foundational Islamic terms (like Salah, Zakah as technical systems, or Aqidah) are conceptual terms derived from Qur’anic language. The concept of Tawḥīd saturates the Qur’an even if the abstract noun appears later in scholarship. Christianity itself uses terms like Trinity which appear nowhere in the Bible.

Regarding Moses and the burning bush:
Islam does not teach that Allah was inside the fire. The Qur’an states that Allah spoke to Moses from the direction of the fire, not that He became fire or inhabited it. Speech does not require physical indwelling. This again confuses action with essence.

Islam’s theology is internally consistent when understood on its own terms. Quoting texts without their interpretive foundations doesn’t expose contradictions. You know what it does? it exposes unfamiliarity with the tradition.

Bring it on, respectful disagreement is welcome. But accuracy must come first.

Remember what you said earlier that Allah is like no other and not like his creation and to uiu that make him unique and the main god.

I showed you from the same Qur'an that the same Allah has face( covered with veil) , hands (2 right hands ) , A shin


Suddenly it dosent mean that, Allah face is not his face, his hand is not his hand, ....oh boy what a hypocritical analogy from you.


In your very defence you expose the lies and open yourself up for more fallac..

In your defence you said Allah face is not his face kilode , he was not in the fire but speaking from a direction ( which still shows him in his creation talking to his creation)

Enjoy this...

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
​"Our Lord will reveal His Shin, and then all the believers, men and women, will prostrate themselves before Him, but there will remain those who used to prostrate in the worldly life for showing off... Such people will try to prostrate, but their backs will be as stiff as if it is one bone [a single vertebra]."
— (Sahih Bukhari)



Please everyone reading what is this hadith saying? Allah has a shin. Muhamed said so. Quran said so. Hadith said so....

Bisi mi l Abi

honesttalk21:
The constant accusation of taqiyya isn’t really an argument; it’s more like a rhetorical shield that people use to dodge meaningful conversation. If every claim made by a Muslim is automatically brushed off as deceit, then any chance for real discussion just crumbles into bias instead of rational debate. Just like Christianity, Islam stands or falls based on evidence, coherence, and historical context not just catchy phrases.

Saying that Muslim lands were originally Christian is a classic example of a genetic fallacy. Lands don’t have a permanent religious claim. Places like Egypt, the Levant, Anatolia, and North Africa were once pagan before Christianity took hold and then became Christian before Islam arrived. History shows us these shifts, not some divine ownership. Under Islamic governance, Eastern Christianity thrived for centuries, with its churches, patriarchates, and communities remaining intact. In contrast, when Christians reconquered areas like Spain, it often led to forced conversions and expulsions. If Islam were truly about extermination, Eastern Christianity wouldn’t be around today.

People often make a big deal out of the term Islam, as if calling it submission somehow disproves it. But in truth, submission to God is at the heart of biblical faith too. Jesus himself prayed, Not my will, but Yours be done. Paul talks about righteousness in terms of obedience. In Islam, peace (salam) comes from submitting to God, not from rejecting that idea.

The respect for Jesus in Islam is often misunderstood. Referring to Jesus as a prophet isn’t an insult; it’s actually how the Synoptic Gospels depict him. Jesus prays to God, sets himself apart from the Father, acknowledges his limited knowledge, and calls God my God. Assuming that Jesus’ divinity is obvious is a bit of a stretch; it relies on later theological interpretations and then criticizes Muslims for not accepting it. The belief in Christ’s divinity developed over centuries of theological debates and church councils, rather than being a clear-cut statement from Jesus himself.

Claims that the Qur’an got God wrong fall apart when you really look into them. Arabic-speaking christians have historically referred to God as Allah. The Qur’an doesn’t misinterpret the Trinity in a linguistic sense; rather, it outright rejects the idea of divine sonship, which is also something the Hebrew Bible does. When the Bible refers to God as Father, it’s more about covenant and metaphor than a literal ontological claim. Judaism has never viewed God as a literal father or as a being with a divine plurality. Jesus praying to God doesn’t change the essence of God.

The notion that the word echad in Deuteronomy suggests a plural unity is simply a linguistic myth. Jewish theology has never interpreted the Shema as a reference to the Trinity. Applying post Nicene theological concepts to ancient Hebrew scriptures is anachronistic, not a proper interpretation.

Concerns about rituals like circling the Kaaba don’t really impact the truth of these claims. Religious practices evolve over time; for instance, the rituals of Solomon’s Temple were unknown to Abraham. Regarding Abraham in Arabia, the idea that he never went isn’t backed by evidence. Just because there’s no archaeological proof doesn’t mean there’s proof of absence; that’s a fundamental principle of historical methodology.

Finally, the idea that Islam spread solely through violence is a gross oversimplification. The Qur’an clearly prohibits forced belief, and historically, conversions under Islamic rule were gradual, often taking centuries. In contrast, Christianity only became dominant after being enforced by Roman emperors. Both religions have intricate histories; neither should be reduced to mere propaganda.

Islam doesn’t seek acceptance based on accusations or fear. It invites examination of its theology, scripture, and history thoughtfully, critically, and honestly.

Here we go again...back and forth...
Can we take it one after the other

Let's start here..

Who and who did Quran Allah said the trinity were?

ISA , MARYAM AND ALLAH

Yes or no?

Remember that nowhere or anywhere have Christianity in any sect and century said the trinity is Jesus Mary and Allah

So Allah Qur’an and muhamed messed up there

kaybeejnr:
Thank you for sharing your conviction.

but first i'd like to point out that your personal experience with Jesus is your experience, and Islam does not mock or deny Jesus. In fact Islam honors Jesus (Isa عليه السلام) as one of the greatest messengers of God, born miraculously, righteous, and close to God. What Islam questions is not Jesus but later theological interpretations that turned a prophet into God. So this is not a clash between “Jesus vs Islam,” but between pure monotheism and developed doctrines.

Second, the claim that “Islam is about world domination by all means” is historically and linguistically incorrect. The word Islam does not come from dominance or conquest. It comes from the Arabic root S-L-M, meaning peace, wholeness, and willing submission. The same root gives Salaam (peace). Islam literally means willing submission to God, not domination of people.

If Islam were about forced domination, it would contradict its own scripture:

“There is no compulsion in religion.” (Qur’an 2:256)

Islamic belief holds that faith without choice is meaningless. You cannot force sincerity.

Third, if Islam truly demanded “no peace until total dominance,” then history would not show centuries where Muslims ruled lands with Christians, Jews, and others practicing their faith openly sometimes more freely than they did under Christian rule. Spain, the Ottoman lands, Jerusalem, and parts of Africa are historical evidence that religious coexistence under Islam was not only possible but real.

Fourth, judging Islam by the actions of some Muslims is logically flawed. By that standard, Christianity would be judged by the Crusades, colonial violence, forced conversions, and church-backed wars. But most Christians rightly say: “That’s not Jesus.” Muslims say the same: “That’s not Islam.”

Therefore, saying “Jesus didn’t come to institute religion” is a theological position but it is not neutral. Jesus prayed, fasted, taught law, called people to obedience to God, and said:

“The Lord our God, the Lord is One.”

Islam sees itself not as a new religion, but as a return to that same uncompromising monotheism preached by Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad ﷺ.

You may choose Christianity and that is your right. But portraying Islam as a violent domination project is not critique; it is caricature. If truth matters, then Islam deserves to be understood from its sources, not from fear, politics, or headlines.
Respectful disagreement is honest and misrepresentation is not.

taqiyya 1
you said islam allow christains in lands muslims dominated but you failed to tell us that it was a christain land initially

taqqiyaa 2
you sais islam means peace... haba haba islam means submission, subjugation to Allah and Muhamed sayings and doings


taqiyyaaa 3
that we respect jesus also... he is a prophet... well Jesus is the Word of God, the Judge of thr living and the dead( including muhamed and you) the first and the last... oh what a wonderful God...
now you lowering His divinity and calling it respect is blasphemy... Allah got the trinity wrong, yeshua name wrong, and many other things.

taqiyyaaa 4.
that we worship the same God and islam is the same what the other prophet practised.
you know this lies dosent work again... Moses God is known as Yahwwh a father figure but Allah said it is even a shirk to say he has a son, All the prophets calls God father...but allah said no...so it is not the same God.

did any of the prophet circke round a kaaba and please dont say abraham build the kabba because geographically scientiffically archeologically Abraham and ishmael necer went to arabia.


taqiyaaa 5.
in the bible God is presented as compound unity
the Lord our God is ONE( ECHAD ) which is plural


taqiyaaa 6.
Islam was spread through violence
Infact during Muhammad his wars were not offensive he was invading and ambushing communities

let me stop here

Shukrannn

kaybeejnr:
Please share your thoughts and lets learn from one another. What are your own reasons? What are the things that turn you off about Islam?
Lets share and educate one another in a matured way please. Thank you.

Accepting Islam is not about abandoning reason, culture, or dignity. It is about aligning yourself with clarity, purpose, and truth.

First, Islam offers the clearest concept of God; One God. Absolute, eternal, unique, and independent. Not part human, not born, not dying, not divided. This simplicity is not a weakness; it is a strength. It resolves centuries of theological confusion by affirming that the Creator is distinct from creation, beyond human limitations, yet close enough to hear every sincere prayer. This idea resonates naturally with the human mind and conscience.

Second, Islam respects human intelligence. It does not ask you to suspend reason to believe. The Qur’an repeatedly challenges people to think, reflect, question, and observe the world. It appeals to logic, history, and morality. Blind faith is never praised; thoughtful conviction is. Islam acknowledges doubt as a stage, not a sin, and invites inquiry rather than fear of questions.

Third, Islam provides a complete moral framework that is practical, balanced, and realistic. It recognizes human weakness without glorifying it, and human discipline without crushing the soul. Justice, mercy, accountability, compassion, self-control, charity, and humility are not abstract ideals, they are daily practices. Islam does not reduce morality to personal opinion or social trends; it grounds ethics in divine wisdom, stable across time and cultures.

Fourth, Islam gives life meaning beyond material success. Wealth, status, race, nationality, and gender do not define your worth. Your value lies in your character and consciousness of God. Islam answers the deepest questions: Why am I here? Why does suffering exist? What happens after death? It teaches that life is a test, pain is not pointless, and justice is not limited to this world.

Fifth, Islam restores personal responsibility. No inherited sin. No one carries the burden of another. You are accountable for your choices, but you are also never locked out of forgiveness. Repentance is direct, no intermediaries, no rituals of humiliation. Turn back sincerely, and God forgives. This balance between accountability and mercy is rare and powerful.

Finally, Islam is not about becoming Arab, rejecting your culture, or losing your individuality. It is about submitting to truth while remaining human. Across history, Islam has united diverse civilizations under shared principles without erasing their identities.

If your hesitation is based on politics, media stereotypes, or the behavior of some Muslims, then be fair: judge Islam by its[b] sources[/b], not its misuse. Every ideology has followers who betray its ideals.

Islam does not force itself on anyone. It simply invites you to consider: If God exists, if truth matters, and if accountability is real. Then does Islam not deserve a sincere, honest look?

Wonderful habibi

From the 1st to the last of your points you believe these are are facts to accept Islam or why you believe Islam...but and if I show you from the Quran and hadiths that contradicts all you have listed will you leave Islam? Or accept reasons why reasonable people stay away from Islam.


Number 1 you said in Islam Allah is one and have no human parts which makes him unique and can't be his creation...Abi ? Please don't change tone o

But from the Quran and hadiths we see Allah with body parts ... A face( a veil covering his face), A hand ( 2 right hands actually) , A shin( Allah will raise his cloth on the last day to his shin and Muslim will know that he is Allah)
Do you need the hadiths and the quranic verses?
With this it shows you Allah is not divine( yes not divine)

And don't use the word tawheed because it is not in the Quran( Arabian recitation)

Again you said Allah can't be in his creation...are you sure about that? When Moses approached the fire 🔥 the burning Bush, who was around the fire and in the fire?



Let me stop here and see ya response

So we can talk on yor notion that we are forgiven by no intermediaries and sins can't be transferred... I love this