casualobserver: You must be a small boy. This phenomenon of referring to Ibos as Igbo is a recent thing. Ibos have always been called Ibos and referred to themselves as Ibos. It is not derogatory, if anythinng, igbo in yoruba is derogatory because to us it means bush, forest or weed (drugs)
Even Zik repeatedly referred to his people as “Ibo”’ while addressing them! Read his speach of 1949 as one example, he repeatedly says “Ibo” not “igbo”. I grew up with Ibos, if it was derogatory they would have corrected me. My textbooks as a student referred to ibos not Igbos. Referring to yourselves as “Igbo” is a recent phenomenon and some of us are used to what we are accustomed to. Nothing derogatory!
You are too sensitive and always taking offense in everything and that’s why you always deviate from the real issues. If you want to be pedantic, let me educate you. There is nothing like the yoruba tribe or language, the word is Yoruba is derived from Yoruba which is actually a Fulani/Hausa insult for people of the Oyo empire. We have Oyo, ijebu, Ijesha, egba, Ife, Ekiti etc. but we call ourselves and are called yoruba and we don’t take offense. Imagine Yorubas saying they don’t want to be referred to as Yorubas because it is derogatory after you have spent all your life hearing them call themselves yoruba? Must you ALWAAYS make an issue of everything, is everything an attack on you? STOP BEING SO PRECIOUS and acting like SNOWFLAKES , PEOPLE HAVE BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT
My wife is referred to by her childhood friends by her nickname which is a combination of her first name and her maiden name……I don’t take offense, it doesn’t mean they don’t respect that she is now married. I have friends who I grew up with that changed their names for different reasons, I call them by the name I know them and if they don’t like it too bad!
Below are just a few instances from of his speech, where he repeatedly says “Ibo”. Not once did your leader, address your people as “Igbo”
This address was delivered at the Ibo State Assembly held at Aba, Nigeria, on Saturday, June 25, 1949.
Harbingers of a new day for the Ibo nation, having selected me to preside over the deliberations of this assembly of the Ibo nation, I am conscious of the fact that you have not done so because of any extraordinary attributes in me. I realize that I am not the oldest among you, nor the wisest, nor the wealthiest, nor the most experienced, nor the most learned. I am therefore grateful to you for elevating me to this high pedestal.
The Ibo people have reached a cross-road and it is for us to decide which is the right course to follow.
…… it is the road to self-determination for the Ibo within the framework of a federated commonwealth of Nigeria and the Cameroons, leading to a United States of Africa.
…It would appear that God has specially created the Ibo people to suffer persecution and be victimized because of their resolute will to live.
Is it not historically significant that throughout the glorious history of Africa, the Ibo is one of the select few to have escaped the humiliation of a conqueror’s sword or to be a victim of a Carthaginian treaty?
Search through the records of African history and you will fail to find an occasion when, in any pitched battle, any African nation has either marched across Ibo territory or subjected the Ibo nation to a humiliating conquest. Instead, there is record to show that the martial prowess of the Ibo, at all stages of human history, has rivaled them not only to survive persecution, but also to adapt themselves to the role thus thrust upon them by history, of preserving all that is best and most noble in African culture and tradition. Placed in this high estate, the Ibo cannot shirk the responsibility conferred on it by its manifest destiny. Having undergone a course of suffering the Ibo must therefore enter into its heritage by asserting its birthright, without apologies.
I have not come here today in order to catalogue the disabilities which the Ibo suffer, in spite of our potential wealth, in spite of our teeming man-power, in spite of our vitality as an indigenous African people; suffice it to say that it would enable you to appreciate the manifest destiny of the Ibo
…and on and on if you continue the peruse the speech, Zik the leader of the ibos addressing a tribal gathering of ibo representatives and tribesmen, repeatedly refers to his people as Ibo not Igbo.
Finally, as you can see from the 3rd picture, if you do a word search in the book “things fall apart”, written by a celebrated ibo cultural giant, Chinua Achebe, set in the context of ibo society and culture, the word ibo occurs 12 times, the word Igbo does not exist. Indeed Igbo only exists in the book 3 times as part of the names Ezigbo (twice) and Okadigbo (once). There is no mention of the word Igbo in the entire book. In the 4th picture, Achebe writes “as the ibo say”. Is he being derogatory? .
So STFU and go and sit down! Enough of this gaslighting! If your elders, Zik, Dadi Onyeama and your celebrated literary and cultural giant Achebe say your people are ibo, then who the fork are you small boy millennial who clearly does not know his own culture or history?
Derogatory is calling you an eeediot which you are, referring to people of the SE as Ibos is not derogatory!
Instead of offering advice from a position of ignorance, take my advice and learn your own history and culture so you don’t get schooled about your own history by outsiders. We have a saying in yoruba land that the day you join politics is the day you will learn your mother’s ex boyfriends. What it means is before you go out and make noise attacking others make sure you are sure of yourself.
casualobserver: You are an eediot with a low IQ. Learn to read and understand. Like Abati said I am responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for your stupid1ty. This is always the problem with you people, somebody says one man is taller than the other, you interprete it as he said a man is short.
RZArecta: You're a nonsense tribal bigot, I always thought you were a sensible person but now it's clear to see that you're an evil person. You're completely wicked and politics has turned you to Satan
As the bastard Reuben mentioned (speaking for himself, giving his own opinion), that Yorubas or other 'outsiders' like himself cannot buy Umunna land. How provocative.
So if a Yoruba man wants to buy a piece of land in the South East, it has to be Umunna land in one village? Has he gone to Onitsha Town or Awka or Owerri or any other city in the South East to buy a land at the asking price and was refused?
Even the useless example the black and ugly bastard called Abati cited.... He said TOS Benson wanted to buy a land in his "Igbo wife's" village to build a house for his Igbo wife and "Igbo daughter" (if he himself is Yoruba, then how is his daughter Igbo? ? ?), meaning what? So Seyi Tinubu's children are not Yoruba children... They are half Igbo/Half Lebanese children? ? ? Make it make sense.
So after marrying a woman, you then go to her village to purport to 'buy land' in order to build her a house? Does marrying her not imply that she is yours and belongs to you and from your own place? Which Igbo woman married by anyone outside her village (regardless of her husband's tribe) needs a house for herself in herself in her father's village? For what exactly? If you want to build a house for your in-laws in their village, would finding a land to do that be an issue? Really?
Besides, what does it mean to buy land and build a house for your supposed "Igbo daughter", as a Yoruba man, in her mother's father's village?
Look, some of us are too intelligent for this nonsense rigmarole and claiming clever by half that Yoruba 'h-educated' nuisances are cursed with. I was the least 'tribalistic' Nigerian before 2015. But you see these ronu idiots? Let's not go there. I can't spill the venom in my heart.
casualobserver: I have said what I need to say, I am not responsible for how you receive the message. Read again and tell me where I saidOjy disrespected the culture of others. This is always the problem with you people. What I said is Ibos are generally disrespectful of the culture of others. What I said is Oju has been going on about on her platform promoting the idea that yorubas are victimizing Ibo property owners in Lagos for the last 2 years. Whereas someone as enlightened and educated as her knows full well that Ibos were not the only ones caught up in the illegal developments and most of them had no titles and they built illegally.
What is a generalization? Abate was clear and precise, he said ibos do not sell ummuma land or whatever you call it and gave an example.. Is that a generalization, is it not part of your culture? It is not a generalization it it such a fundamental part of Ibo culture that there are numerous scholarly articles written on the subject matter. The problem with dealing with you people is you don’t like to hear the truth, you only hear what you want to hear. That’s why you don’t get along with others.
Kukutente23: I'm still asking you to show where she claimed that Yorubas are victimising Igbo property owners in the last 2 years. It's obvious you're knee deep in bigotry and can't see beyond tribal lens in everything.
Go back and watch the video because it's obvious you did not. Abati relied on a report by TOS Benson and he did not mention umunna land. He simply said based on Benson's experience, Ibos don't sell land. Go back and watch it and stop making assumptions
casualobserver: Abati mentioned umunna land. Irrespective f that the situation with ibo land is known to all. It is not a new thing neither is it a generalization.
It is so acknowledged that there are scholarly articles written about it. Thankfully they are written by ibos.
Saga I am not going to waste my time fish8ng through old arise videos to show you how joy helped to fuel the victimization agenda during the Lagos land saga. I personally detest her as she is an air head whose isn’t a journalist but a beauty queen and whose sole purpose (so also Ayo and all the others) is to appeal to the gullible who are seduced by looks. Maope of channels is a journalist and a professional not the empty heads on Arise. There is no difference between the ladies on Arise and bank marketing staff. We know why they exist, it’s not because of what is between their ears! We all know when we are dealing with ibos anything you say that is not pleasing to their ears is met with resistance.
You are the one who should watch the video again, he specifically said ummunnna. The annoying thing about it is that you people are carrying on as if you don’t know these things are true. Social media is full of comments FROM IBOS and videos confirming what Rueben said and that it is not an isolated case but a cultural norm.
Again good night!
11:06. He specifically says “go and buy umunna land, you will be told you don’t belong even as an in-law”
THis is what you people do, thank God there is evidence, every narratibepve you spin, nothing is ever your fault, you are never wr9mg. Aside from the video below, these are just a few of the countless ibos who have confirmed that ancestral land and community land is traditionally not sold in ibo land, so I really don’t know what the noise is all about except you take offense at anything and like I said before the reason this is a big deal for you is you cannot stand up and fpdefend your culture with chest because you have spent you time outside ibo land disrespecting other peoples culture.
“It is cultural” would have ended this debate and promoted understanding but you couldn’t because your stock in trade is insulting other peoples cultures so how can you now say hen we don’t sell certain lands because of culture which is the reality ?
casualobserver: My friend I don’t know if you are Ibo but what I expect from any Ibo who feels aggrieved by his comment is to explain why Ibo land is difficult. You have already admitted he did not lie. This issue about Ibo and land is not a new story. This was an opportunity for her to clear the air. She should have explained why people have that impression of false. She couldn’t because 1) Ibos serially disrespect the cultures of others. 2) she has spent the last year or 2 attacking Yorubas for having an agenda against Ibos on land property.
The land issue in Ibo land is a cultural thing. We all know and we respect it because we have cultures too. Again I repeat the reason why the Ibos are defensive when in fact they should be proud of their culture is because the land issue is cultural and they have serially and habitually disrespected other peoples cultures. So it is difficult for most Ibos to say it is a cultural thing because it will force them to confront the demon that they have been disrespecting other people cultures.
It is not a one off story, everybody knows land is difficult (I didn’t say impossible) to obtain in Ibo land because at least a significant portion of land is unavailable to outsiders, even Ibo outsiders so naturally what land is left is expensive. It is not like the SE has much land to begin with.
Kukutente23: Most land? Are you sure about this that MOST land are not sold to outsiders? That's a big fat lie I can tell you. She wanted Abati to clarify that he was not generalising about all Igbos. That's what she wanted and it's obvious from the video but Abati stuck to his guns and you can see he even claimed that he put a context to it which means he was also stylishly saying he never generalised. So your treatise above is way off the mark. I don't know how you got to know that Ojy was ashamed to clarify by herself
casualobserver: There is no igbophobia. You people just get unduly defensive and sensitive.
No Ibo man will deny that most land in Ibo land is ancestral or community land. The difference between the Ibos and most other places in the country is that Ibos won’t sell these categories of land to outsiders even Ibo outsiders whereas in most parts of Nigeria they will sell communal or ancestral land to no indigenes. After all what are omoniles selling if not communal or family land?
Instead of you to say this is our culture, land is sacred and to us so we dont sell ancestral or communal land to outsiders but there are other categories of land for sale. However because most land is ancestral or communal the land available for sale can be expensive… simple!
The reason why you can’t do that is that you go to other peoples area and disrespect their culture so it is hard for you to say the reason why land is difficult but not impossible in the SE is a cultural one.
The reason why this is an issue is because you have disrespected other people’s traditions and cultures in your travels and cohabitation with others therefore it becomes difficult for you to say with full chest that this is a cultural thing when in fact there is absolutely nothing wrong with not selling land to outsiders if it is rooted in culture or beliefs. If you had just done that, most non Ibos would and indeed do understand because we know it’s a cultural thing. Again you can’t defend your practice and culture because you habitually disrespect other peoples traditions and cultures. So instead you say igbophobia and other diversionary comments.
The truth is we all have our cultures and practices. You don’t respect other peoples cultures so you are now finding it difficult to defend this.
Ordinarily an Ibo man should be able to say according to our culture, it is taboo to sell communal or ancestral land to outsiders, the remaining land is scarce therefore expensive…….it is our culture end of story. You can’t because you have consistently and habitually shown disdain and disrespect for the traditions and cultures of your hosts on your travels. And that is all there is to it.
olisaEze: O bob I get 10 acres for sale in the surburbs of Delta State’s Capital city along a newly tarred highway o! I expect offers from all and not just Umunna, biko! I’m just a flight away from whoever get N100m. Shuo, which day Naira begin get tribe abeg?? Every man has a price, don’t complain if u don’t have the money to make an offer he cannot refuse. If you think buying & selling is by Federal Character, ur yeye is still smelling! 😂
Phoenix990: Why afonjas de masturbate on ekpa trend as his arrest will repair the damages there papa president have cause in this country empty vessels
trium: Abati was specific when he cited TOS Benson in that story. It is really apparent we have an education crisis because people find it difficult to listen and analyse, they just want drama all the time. I think Abati also sees that it's a waste of his time trying to explain a story that was already explained by the person he cited.
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Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by FSU: 7:42pm Copied
Reuben Abati's PhD is wasted education.
Why? The current senate president had praised the Igbo during the events related to the burial of an Igbo senator who died recently. He said among other things, that Igbos go out to develop other parts of Nigeria and that other Nigerians do not do quite the same. That the said late senator was a true representation of the Igbo spirit.
Then, Abati was asked to respond to the senate president's comments on his TV program. Abati, after other kinder words about the Igbo, retorted that, according to TOS Bension (A Yoruba political leader who was born in 1917 and died in 2008) that Igbos don't sell land to strangers. That TOS had wanted to buy land and build a house in his Igbo wife's village and that the villagers had told him (TOS) they don't sell land to strangers. Abati went on to affirm his own opinion along the lines that Igbos go out and buy properties and build elsewhere, but do not sell land to others.
Now, Abati claims to hold a PhD. To obtain a PhD anywhere in the world, including in the local university from where Abati obtained his, requires conducting research for at least 3 years. In Nigeria, it takes longer. In most cases, such research involves conducting statistical analysis using sample populations and establishing margins of errors based on the sampling population size. Abati regurgitated the unproven claim made by TOS about his wife's village (one village) and extrapolated that to cover more than 30 million Igbos living in thousands of villages and towns and cities. The inability of Abati to conduct his own research and to gather data from a representative sampling of Igbos on the matter makes his PhD null and void. That he even believed what TOS Benson said in the 1960s or 70s or 80s, or 90s (whenever he had said it), and repeated it in 2024 makes his case even worse and deserved that his alma mater asks for their certificate back.
Assuming one Igbo village does not sell their land to strangers, how is that an Igbo-wide culture that should be linked to other Igbos?
Pray tell, the Redeemed Church, Deeper Life church, Living Faith church, and numerous other churches own properties across nearly all Igbo villages, towns and cities in Nigeria. These churches are private churches owned by Yoruba individuals. The church lands were sold to the Yoruba owners by Igbos.
GTB, Wema Bank, FCMB and a few other banks in Nigeria are 100% owned and managed by Yorubas. These banks have branches in Igbo towns and cities. The lands were sold to them by Igbos.
Polo Mall Enugu and the Onitsha Business School are owned by Yorubas
GLO Mobile is owned by a Yoruba. GLO has offices in Igbo cities. The lands where these offices are located were sold to GLO by Igbos.
There are 1000s of Yoruba who own private properties in Igboland. I personally know one in Umuahia.
I can go on and on. How come Abati does not know this? How come Abati cannot conduct simple research before bleating out on National TV in 2024 that Igbos don't sell land to strangers?
Abati is not only ill-educated, but he is also a bigot, because only a bigot can take an incidence by one person and extrapolate it to all persons related to that offender. Worse still an uncorroborated incidence that was said to have happened decades ago. (Modify) (Quote) (Report) 2 Likes 2 Shares (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by helinues: 7:44pm Must you guys respond to all the dogs that bark at you?
This pettiness is legendary oo
Una don quickly cancelled Abati, same Abati that was your hero before and during the election
Anyways, una water don dey cook fish, it don tey (Quote) (Report) 1 Like (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by FSU: 7:48pm helinues: Must you guys respond to all the dogs that bark at you?
This pettiness is legendary oo
Una don quickly cancelled Abati, same Abati that was your hero before and during the election
Anyways, una water don dey cook fish, it don tey
It's people like you that says Igbos don't sell land to strangers (Modify) (Quote) (Report) 1 Like 1 Share (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by owobokiri(m): 7:49pm helinues: Must you guys respond to all the dogs that bark at you?
This pettiness is legendary oo
Una don quickly cancelled Abati, same Abati that was your hero before and during the election
Anyways, una water don dey cook fish, it don tey You will still bark at them again at 5 am as you did this morning? (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by helinues: 7:51pm owobokiri:
You will still bark at them again at 5 am as you did this morning?
That was an advise but as usual, it no dey make sense to una until things scattered apart
We go dey watch and learn
Btw, don't repeat that nonsense of barking again. Respect yourself (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by budaatum: 7:52pm FSU:
Abati is not only ill-educated, but he is also a bigot, because only a bigot can take an incidence by one person and extrapolate it to all persons related to that offender.
I guess this shows having a phd is not the opposite of stupidity, and that phd holders can at times refuse to use their own brain.
Kemetian tried to point out the dumbness of tribalism, but he was unfortunately blind to his own bigotry. (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by owobokiri(m): 7:54pm helinues:
That was an advise but as usual, it no dey make sense to una until things scattered apart
We go dey watch and learn
Btw, don't repeat that nonsense of barking again. Respect yourself You think that by moving from one thread to the other, from morning till night, taunting, abusing and jeering at the most hardworking group in Nigeria, you're "respecting yourself"?? (Quote) (Report) 1 Like (Like) 1 Share (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by yarimo(m): 7:56pm IPOB are the most foolish human beings in the world, today abati PhD is wasted because he spoke what someone said about them. (Quote) (Report) 1 Like (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by FSU: 7:58pm yarimo: IPOB are the most foolish human beings in the world, today abati PhD is wasted because he spoke what someone said about them.
No he didn't just repeat what someone said. He affirmed it to be true situating in his mind. Go and watch the video (Modify) (Quote) (Report) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by SmartPolician: 8:05pm helinues: Must you guys respond to all the dogs that bark at you?
This pettiness is legendary oo
Una don quickly cancelled Abati, same Abati that was your hero before and during the election
Anyways, una water don dey cook fish, it don tey Isn't it rather because of your joblessness that you are able to keep close tabs on everything being responded to? (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by Noblechykk(m): 8:05pm helinues: Must you guys respond to all the dogs that bark at you?
This pettiness is legendary oo
Una don quickly cancelled Abati, same Abati that was your hero before and during the election
Anyways, una water don dey cook fish, it don tey Olodo (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by Noblechykk(m): 8:06pm SmartPolician:
Isn't it rather because of your joblessness that you are able to keep close tabs on everything being responded to? I doubt if he has a functional brain (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by NSNO(m): 8:24pm So Reuben is now the enemy? I don't usually agree with helinues but seriously, you people should stop responding to every dog that barks at you people. And if you must respond, address the issue raised and don't insult the person. (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)
Re: Reuben Abati's Phd Is Wasted Education by FSU: 8:28pm NSNO: So Reuben is now the enemy? I don't usually agree with helinues but seriously, you people should stop responding to every dog that barks at you people. And if you must respond, address the issue raised and don't insult the person.
Did this post not address the issue? (Modify) (Quote) (Report) (Share)
owobokiri: Even the educated suffer the same Igbo phobia. Ruben has always been like this on Igbo issues for eons. People who don't know much about Abati, should go back to read all he wrote about the Igbos during the regime of Olusegun Obasanjo. At a point , he was boasting of how Obasanjo will cut off the head of Igbos if Uwazuruike didn't stop his MASSOB agitations. The whole thing raised a storm then. . These are all closet tribalists.
Land is costly in Igbo land because land is scarce. It is what it is. I am not sure of any Yoruba man willing to drop over 200 million to buy a plot of land at Nnewi. There are no real Yoruba presence in the east. You can not stay in Lagos or Okitipupa and be upset that the cost of land is high in Igbo land. Most of your guys in the east, live in groups like the northerners because of the high cost of accomodations. That you're out priced does not mean you are banned from buying.
obataokenwa: Who on earth doesn't have reservations about each other... but an adult is meant to keep quiet on some issues. Imagine saying the whole Igbos don't sell land to outsiders and some grown up adults sees it as true. What necessities such generalisation...borne out of hatred or love. Only in Igbo, land is subsistence kind of...A may want to sell and B will say no which may hinder the buyer.
Igbo proverb said... being tall doesn't mean a child/adult has grown up.
If you say the mouth of a dog is good, when given to you...make sure you finish it.
We are not the first people on earth to be in captivity and prospered more.
Politics › Re: Drama As Ruben Abati, Ojy Okpe Tackle Each Other Over Comment On Igbos by BlessedGift(op): 1:33pm On Nov 24, 2024
