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iamoyindamola:
Una get time sha

I'm exhausted already sef. I'm only angry because now I actually feel how relatives of IPOB members and shiites members who were killed in cold blood by the army felt.

It's scary anybody can be killed by the army under any guise with nobody being held accountable and Ur fellow citizens will even justify it.

Amoto94:
https://aledeh.com/2020/11/lekkimassacre-cnn-report-infodemic/
cc: Ibi.me, La.rride, Blu.eraydick, Ai.rmark, i.zzou,

I believe this article is for those who didn't watch DJ Switch video live that day. Those of us who did knew what we saw, no attempt at gaslighting will erase from our memory the show of horror we watched on live video.

It is well sha. I'm done arguing whether 1 million died or 1 person died.

BlueMann:
Considering how terrible he became, this is laudable.

Time Value of money; 1 naira yesterday is not 1 naira today !.....But then its good Chelsea was able to cut its loss to the barest minimum

larride:
There are many videos she did, I don’t have the strength to be searching all through her videos.

Is that the only thing you picked out from my whole post? BBC video didn’t prove anything?

It’s ok.

You can’t find the video because there’s none of such . You have been boxed to a corner . Those of us that watched the live video never heard her mention any nonsense 72 figure, neither did she say anything of such in her subsequent videos. Such videos only existed in the imagination of Party men and government apologists.

There’s nothing more to say say. Enjoy ur evening

larride:
DJ switch account is not the only account of what happened that night and moreover DJ switch has contradicting herself severally.

[b][b]She first claimed more than 72 people were killed, [/b]then she claimed 12 people were killed then she claimed she’s not sure of the total number of people killed but she singlehandedly carried 7 dead bodies and dropped it at the feet of the soldiers? Which account exactly do you want me to believe?

Meanwhile there’s another eye witness account who actually carried people to the hospital who claimed he didn’t see any bodies and he only evacuated those injured to the hospital.

Let me make my point very clear. The event of Oct 20 (whether Army shot to the air or not) is enough ground to accuse the army of abuse of human rights violations without exaggerations.

Govt are experts in using subterfuge and you cannot use lies to push truth. What govt does is attack the lies and in one full scope label both the lies and the truth fake news. There was no need to claim a massacre happened when there was no evidence of it. The arrays of pics of the supposed massacre that littered social media that night and the following morning were debunked to be fake news and thus the govt got the perfect cover to shift the focus away from the human rights violation to the authenticity or otherwise of the various claims arising.

That’s what I and Ibime have been trying to point out to you. Now the Lagos State Judicial panel of inquiry has shifted focus to the event of the Lekki tollgate and most of it is trying to prove whether a massacre happened or not and at the end of the day if it was later confirmed that no massacre took place, the military would have shifted the focus away from their officers involved in the shootings.

If you refer back to the discussion I had with airmark on the night of the shootings, I told air.mark that I believe the army were at the scene of the shootings and for a military that has several records of human rights abuse, it doesn’t need to add exaggeration to nail them but now they have the perfect cover to escape “human rights violations” against its officers. (That’s if they are not found guilty).


Meanwhile injecting party and loyalty whatever into your argument every now and then doesn’t make you smart or more logical.

Cheers.

Show me evidence of where she claimed the bold part of ur statement . This is the narrative u party people and government apologists have been pushing. Show me a video of her saying 72 people died .

I’m sure u won’t have a problem getting the video like u got the BBC video that didn’t prove anything

larride:
Maybe you should watch the video again. The lady clearly said the soldiers were shooting sporadically into the air. She said it twice.

She also said they shot for more than 20mins and they left the scene after about 30mins later.

All other account of the event said the army came and started shooting at protesters. What with the bbc reporter said she witness, we can say those other account is a lie and what she said tally with what the General said at the Judicial panel.

They didn’t spend few mins there, they spent almost half of the time the military spent there and she confirmed they were shooting in the air. Nowhere in that almost 5mins video did she remotely say the military shoot directly at people.

For emphasis, I will say it again that she said it TWICE that the soldiers were shooting in the air.

Like I said earlier, nothing will change your view that no massacre happened and that’s ok. You are free to hold whatever opinion you like. Truth is fact doesn’t support any claim that massacre happened.

Na wa o. U obviously don’t know how u are sounding now.

U will make assumptions based on the account of someone who clearly stated she left the scene in between the shooting , but have vowed never to believe the account of Dj switch who was present all tru the night and even made a live video who is to have a glimpse of the horror show.

Is this what party loyalty does to people ?

EarlRagnar2:
Like I don't understand why someone will still defend this govt....Sanwo olu don use style ghost lagosians no more tweets and press briefing again

It’s quite unfortunate ! Most party people I know have refrained from trying to defend the government knowing how ugly the whole thing now looks .

larride:
https://twitter.com/goziconc/status/1329072190650662928?s=21

That is BBC interview with one of their reporters that was on ground at the protest ground a day after the shootings.

Well maybe BBC and it’s reporters are working for the Nigerian Govt.


cc Ibime nihilistjnr airmark

Guy ! Haba now...

1. The BBC said they initially shot in the air ( protesters and CNN confirmed they shot in the air as well as at protesters too)

2. The BBC reporter said they left the scene after 20 minutes of shooting . CNN has a footage of 101 minutes they analyzed that showed people were in pool of blood on the floor .

So in ur bid to defend the government u brought out a video of a reporter talking about the few minutes they spent at the scene before they left for their own safety .... Guy why ?

3. From the CNN footage it was confirmed the army were shooting from both ends . The BBC lady indirectly confirmed this by saying they had to identify themselves before they were given safe passage. So somehow u think the army that that sardined protesters on both sides were trying to disperse them Abi?

Hey God ! Na wa o. I don’t even know what to say anymore

larride:
Did anyone disputed the fact that people died that night? Even Sanwoolu himself confirm that 2 people died.

What is being disproved is that a massacre happened.

These are just semantics I’m not ready to start arguing about. You can decide to adopt any word to describe the show of horror we watched on live video that night.

U probably think it was because the incident was referred to “ massacre “ instead of the government’s preferred word “shootings “ , that was why the lootings, destruction of properties and other crimes followed.

Well let me break it to u; those who carried out those acts didn’t even care about the semantics..... the thugs who burnt down the government properties like high court , BRT etc cared less about that.

The CNN investigative video has confirmed what we’ve said all along :

1. People were killed by the army
2. Live bullets were fired

But guess what? The government has refused to be man enough to take responsibility. How do u still keep taking sides with government in spite of all this ? How ?

larride:
At what point do we actually put emotions aside and ask logical questions?

Today makes it 28 days that the shooting happened, is it that after carting away the dead bodies, the Army also went to their houses and cart away their families and relatives?

If after close to a month that the army opened fire directly at protesters and carted dead bodies away in 2 vans and we are yet to start seeing different missing person flooding both social media and offline, you have to begin to question what you actually believe in.

Last week or thereabouts they have already started trending hashtag that DJ Switch didn’t make any allegations and all she did was do live stream of the shooting whereas DJ switch was the one that started the Army carted away bodies allegations.

If you still believe massacre happened that night, I cannot disprove it for you so you can continue to believe what you believe in.

So the 2 families mentioned in the CNN account of the incident are not victims’ families ? Mehn !

It is well .

As if it’s not this same Nigeria a boy who made a video of a politician shooting at protesters was missing few days after and his corpse later found. Smh .... baba continue believing what u wish to believe

Ibime:
Bro, I am talking about the CNN Report, nothing else. According to the CNN report, the witnesses said they saw Police taking away bodies.

The devil of the report is in the detail. Let me remind you of my deductions. My deductions are not in support of Govts position but my understanding after watching several videos, for example I never bought the bullshït of only blanks being used.

Let's walk through what happened:

The army started shooting at 7pm and left sometime at or before 8pm.

Their shooting was videod from the high-rise and showed no bodies being carted away.

I said they shot in the air but there may be a handful of horizontal shots. CNN said they scoured over a hundred hours of video and highlighted two horizontal shots.

I deduced from One Souls evidence, after the army cleared out, the Police came later that evening and shot people and were fighting area boys in Lekki-Ajah axis. The CNN video confirms that Police came and according to witnesses were shooting and took bodies away. DJSwitch may have confused army with Police.

The missing person who they ended the report with a video of him being shot timestamped at 1.04am was a Police casualty as army had cleared out hours before.

My conclusion was to get to the detail of the matter, not to take any Govt position cos it never made sense to me that you would shoot into a crowd with so few casualties, and I also know the behaviour of army in riot situations having grown up during military era and suspected their behaviour at Lekki was no different to how they used to behave when I was growing up.

There are many issues conflated in what happened but if you follow the details and timeline you can break it down into two things - (1.) Army doing what army have always done in riots which is shoot in the air with a few stray bullets, and (2.) Police later coming to do what Police usually do which is shoot at civilians as we saw in other parts of the country during the same period.

The CNN report confirms all of the above and not much beyond.

The only part I am still unclear about is how much of Police shooting is attributable to the war they had with boys in Lekki-Ajah and how much can be delineated solely to the Lekki protestors. Premium times already told us of one Police corporal that came to Lekki and shot one disabled boy there, but there are two separate incidents that night in the same area on the same night, and I have no doubt Police would have taken some bodies. The Police part of the matter is largely un-videod because the crowd was dispersed by then and individual people were under horizontal fire, but the army shooting is extensively documented on video and is in a crowd situation.

I understand ur point . One thing is clear; whoever led that assault team was given order to clear the toll gate no matter what it will take. He did just that by both having his boys shoot in the air for the purpose of their own camera recordings and shooting at protesters too to scare others that wouldn’t budge.

They had everything planned ; taking out the light, external camera recordings and all...: what they never planned for was Dj Switch’s live video and that is the only reason we have tiny bits of evidence here and there. Without her live video we probably would’ve waved the incident aside like we all did the massacre of Shiites sect in Kaduna.

Our government backed army is capable of much more Terror than u can ever fathom

larride:
Don’t try to twist what the General said.

He said Gov Sanwoolu asked the Army to intervene when the Police and their stations were being burnt. He also alluded to the fact that those protesting at Lekki tollgate were peaceful but that there were also some other charlatan at the other side. He said the army had no reason to open fire at protestors and only shoot in the air to disperse them.

Now his testimonies at the Judicial panel can be challenged and fact check during cross examination. Moreover witnesses are still needed to come forward to say their own part of events that occurred especially those that have lost a loved one or have a missing person.

The Judicial panel is sitting and proceeding is been live streamed, the army has gone to say their own side of the story, they will be cross examined, let witnesses from that night also go there and give their own side of the story so both can face each other and we know who is lieing.

As at today, there’s no evidence that massacre happened at Lekki, it doesn’t however invalidate genuine concerns about the army having to shot to disperse peaceful protesters.

I’m not twisting what he said ; he quoted Section 217 2C of the constitution that allowed them to intervene when theres breakdown of law and order. He then confirmed under cross examination that the protesters at Lekki were peaceful. Does it make sense to u to say u want to restore order amongst people u agree to have been peaceful?

So u actually believe the blank shots they fired in the air led to multiple gun shots wound sustained by protesters and those that have been confirmed dead ? Na wa o

larride:
It was confirmed by who that they took bodies away?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/soldiers-kept-shooting-witnesses-testify-192839869.html

This is an eyewitness account. I know u will still have reason to either disprove this or write it off entirely; but it's all good

Roland17:
So that’s why we are on the 2nd page of the EPL table, languishing at the 11th spot? Losing games we should be winning abi? Baba I am not interested!!!

M.Bielsa has been watching tape since last week and I know that man wel well like the back of my hand when it comes to coaching. If Arteta likes make him no make adjustments especially with that rubbish back 3 formation...

Baba no vex, Na transfer aggression..

Awon were!!! Rubbish and Rubbish!!!!

Baba I Don reach one level for this supporting arsenal thingy.....I no dey vex pass a day after we lose match o, after that day we move!

Wenger Don use my eyes see shege, nothing a rookie like Arteta can do that will surprise me. I will only vex well well if a player is serving us rubbish each game and Arteta keeps fielding such player. I know that Villa match was terrible to watch; I never watched the replay till date....but players like Lacazzette serving us rubbish and Old man willian let us all down

Ibime:
The report said Police took away bodies, nothing about army.

The report actually did not move much further from what I understood to have happened.

It produced one dead body shown to have been killed by Police in addition (or part of) the two SanwoOlu has already claimed and did not bring up a number of missing persons apart from that one.

U will never see bodies because it has been conformed the bodies were taken away. That is what most people in support of the government's story have refused to believe is possible.

Roland17:
If no be say you be my padi, I for say make dem ban you for 600 years for posting this pic!

Na so so picture dem sabi take..

Awon Were!!!!

Baba don't look at their face na, look at the tray and "English champions league" cup in the pishure

Jodera2:
That's all the issue one needs to ask before clamouring for Eriksen.
We wouldn't want another Willian in our hands abeg

Me I don't even support this idea of buying these washout players / players that have seen better days. Eriksen wey we no buy when he was firing on all cylinders, na now wey he no dey start even start for his club we now dey interested

Boda Kola sef Don carry coro o

larride:
Maybe you watched another video/report apart from the one CNN put out for you to still say their video support that massacre happened at Lekki toll gate. Maybe the definition of massacre has changed overnight, I’m not sure.

1. From the video/report, CNN only reported 1 uncertified death and 1 missing person according to the brother. How does this prove massacre. Today make it 28 days that the shooting happened, if CNN can only report 1 uncertified death and 1 missing person, it led credence to the fact that no massacre happened.

2. There were several casing that were picked up even by protesters after the shooting that night and those casing were blank bullet. Whether the army used live bullet or not, I’m not sure but they did use blank bullet which the casings that were picked up after the protestors showed.

3. General Taiwo did not deny the fact that the army was at Lekki toll gate, neither did he deny that the soldiers shot though he claimed that they the soldiers shot in the air.

We have seen mass shooting even in US and the casualties even from untrained shooters cannot be compared to what happened at Lekki where trained soldiers are said to have shot directly at protestors.

The shooting (whether to the air or not) is bad enough to hold govt to account on than trying to push a massacre that never happened.

The fact of that night still remains:

Were Army deployed to Lekki toll gate? Yes
Were did shooting at Lekki toll gate? Yes
Did a massacre happened there? NO.

It’s instructive to note that even CNN didn’t claim a massacre happened there.

I want to believe u missed the following parts of the post ;

From multiple videos, CNN has pieced together a timeline that shows that shooting by the army lasted from 6:43 p.m. until at least 8:24 p.m., according to video evidence.

The videos capturing some of those 101 minutes tell a story of terror and chaos. They show graphic injuries and people bleeding on the ground.

CNN has examined bullet casings found at the scene and confirmed with current and former Nigerian military sources that the bullet casings match those used by the army. Two ballistics experts have also confirmed with CNN that the shape of the bullet casings indicate they used live rounds, which contradicts the army's claim they fired blanks.

CNN has verified that bullets fired at Lekki toll gate are from live ammunition. This one was manufactured in Serbia in 2005, and is currently in use by the Nigerian army.

And working with the Balkan Investigative Reporting Network, CNN has established that several of the bullets from the Lekki toll gate originated from Serbia. Export documents CNN has seen show that Nigeria purchased weaponry from Serbia almost every year between 2005 and 2016.

No matter the name u decide to call it, the Nigerian army shot at unarmed protesters, people died on the spot, others died as a result of injuries and some are missing.

Anybody can keep making the government's argument for them.

You say the general didn't lie but he claimed in his testimony that the army came to intervene when the police was overwhelmed. The section of the constitution he quoted allows the army to intervene in civil unrest when the army has been overwhelmed, but when the cross examination started last week he confirmed the protesters at the toll gate were peaceful which immediately put to tatters his claim that they intervened becaue police was overwhelmed. The sitting was adjourned shortly after.

Like I said, General Taiwo will be under cross examination on Saturday.....anybody can say anything as their testimony in a judicial proceeding, it is under cross examination facts will be revealed.

Unlimited22:
Cc Ibime larride Nihilistjnr


And any other person who still has doubts as to what went down on the 20th of October.

I guess this lays to rest further arguments as to whether the massacre happened or not. The report covered a whole lot of grey areas the naysayers have continuously nimble on :

1. Name of dead protesters/ family members of those who lost their loved ones.

2. That the army did use live ammunitions. Even the country of supply for the live ammunitions was mentioned and it was confirmed Nigerian army has been buying and using same for years now .

3. That the army obviously cleared their mess by taking away the bodies as claimed by DJ Switch from inception.


Well , I’m waiting for Saturday when the General Taiwo guy will be under cross examination by the protesters’ counsel at the Lagos state panel. I want to see how well he can defend the lies he put out last week while giving his testimony. I know nothing serious will come out of the panel and it’s report , but I just want to see hypocrisy of the army, Sanwoolu and other players for what it is

mostob:
What's Ozil doing there na

Every Wekend Ozil dey receive alert from Arsenal’s bankers..... so he will surely be in the pishure

Men dem

mostob:
yea. .wetin you think.

I don't like to think of comical characters jare; those 2 defend comically

mostob:
Why Joachim Low no call Mustafi sef? Their defence was just all over the place yesterday.

Make dem pair Arsenal's mustafi and Chelsea Rudiger ba?

Where is kabs( I can't remeber the exact numbers behind his moniker). He's been missing in action for a while. I've missed his constant updates on team news and condition of players.

Roland17:
Elneny has tested positive for COVID-19, he will miss the game against Leeds...M. Salah may have been the source, he tested positive earlier.

Wàhálà be like bicycle, midfield yakare!

popizaino:
I bought mine when they were doing promo and that was 25k CFA with a month subscription.

Dish and decoder 5k CFA
One month sub 20 CFA

It can show anywhere and they do show both EPL and UCL and aside that they also show Euro basketball, French ligue, Turkish league and Scottish leagues,NBA late games.

Where dis u get it? Can I get a link or an address or something?

popizaino:
I bought canal+ just so I could be watching him in French league.

I love fabregassssssssss

How much is the Canal +? Do they show EPL and champions league? And does it show in Lagos?

Now let them prosecute government/police for propagating fake news na