₦airaland Forum

fergie001:
We have not mature to that stage.

Let's do the e-transmission and force presiding officers to explain mutilation and punish them with force of the law.

Just look at.

Image123:
Nope, you never did. You've only been repeating the same thing for those who don't want to think.

Guestmale:
Either manual or electronic collation without a trusted party polling agent in each polling units rigging can't be stopped except we adopt electronic voting.

fergie001:
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....I believe we should be charging presiding officers to explain mutilation.....that's the phase we should be in. Begins to punish presiding officers in the court of law.

Inspirer1:
That's why point number 3 by the OP is very very important, those collation sheets at ward, LG and State levels MUST be uploaded too, just like the ones at PUs, the computation can be confirmed.
In all, like you rightly noted, having loyal agents at all the different levels of collation is as important as being a candidate!

Ventura1:
The method proposed here is a recipe for chaos

fergie001:
I know Ojo so wel, I was born there and my family house still there.
I vote at FOA Primary school and can even guess the person who did that.

I support e-transmission, it will curb mutilation & manipulation of results but just not confident of us trying it first-time at Presidential. I have conceded it should be passed, we have Osun ahead of us.

ryloy:
So that you can manipulate input data.

PDPdestroyer:
Electronic transmission of manual votes? Does this OP know what he’s even talking about? There’s an ignorance pandemic in this country, largely due to Obidients

IgOga:
Interesting conversation.

Results can be transferred manually or electronically. It doesn't matter what method as long as the right result is transferred. Both transfer process can be manipulated.

Infact it is easier to manipulate e-voting than manual voting. With e voting a simple code of "subtract 1000 votes from every party, or add 100000 votes"

Jorussia:
I think we need to stop this idea of using half measures to cure our electoral deficiencies.The appropriate thing should be electronic voting along with real time online transmission and collation of results.

The opposition are putting too much energy on trivia issue of electronic transmission of results, instead of building a strong network of politicians that can influence and defend votes.If u think simply transmitting results on irev can stop a very determined and united ruling party,I pity you.

Racoon:
Both real time transmission of accredited voters from iREV too is very important and not only the election results. Thanks for the sustained enlightenment sir.

Redoil:
blunt craze mad i greet you.
one thing about the constitution is the ambiguity.
that is why people interpret and accept it any how depending who it favours

Image123:
Lolz, you don't have the answers. Keep misleading those who don't want to think.

Gajagojo:
So what?
I have said it
Listen I don't have time for childish games you can engage seriously or bugger off

Scamburster:
Na you fit these miscreants,

Gajagojo:
.........We cannot have endless reruns............

casualobserver:
No! What I said and is evidenced in your summary is that Nigerians have a fundamental problem with the English language because nothing I said should lead anyone with a basic understanding of English to your conclusion/ summary above!

I see you are the thread starter and if your pointless repeated but meaningless quoting of my posts is an attempt to give life to a pointless thread, please count me out.

Image123:
You claimed there were no serious cybersecurity concerns. 12 million cyber attacks is not a serious cybersecurity concern? You also claimed INEC was paid. Paid what, by whom and for what?

Image123:
Keep lying to yourself and those who can't see through the sham then.

Image123:
What is paid for? You trust INEC but you're complaining about glitch. How much is the money paid for cybersecurity, na you pay?
You're like someone saying you paid your maiguard his full 5k salary so he should kill himself or allow himself be killed than allow thieves with bazookas rob your 5billion.

Gajagojo:
Please let us not mix this English
What is

AFFECTS THE LAW?

So if the election is cancelled what happens next?

If we cannot have glitch free elections after several cancellations what then?

casualobserver:
That is the confusion being created. They never said they are cancelling what you demanded in the highlighted section. That still exists. It was never removed.

The Abaribe faction are trying to be clever by half. Playing with words like transmit or transfer. They voted for retain8 g the same system as 2023 and when they saw backlash, instead of educating the public they tried to play the it’s not us card. Whether transfer or transmit, it is the same thing.


I have posted several time on the issue of our election system. Anyone who is a system engineer or a process developer, systems analyst etc who actually goes through the electoral system and procedures will realise it is a fool proof system. Will people attempt to rig? Yes but the current system will always leave evidence. You can’t hide rigging under the current system.

It’s a fact and I challenge anyone to tell me how you can rig the current system without leav8ng evidence of your rigging?


I am waiting!


You rigged, your opponent did not challenge the result because he knew he wouldn’t have won doesn’t mean the system doesn’t have evidence of your rigging. If it were close he will produce the evidence. The truth is the whole attack on IREV was because the losers having access to the physical results and evidence of any rigging could not prove they won and instead tried to discredit a viewing portal which had no role in the collation of results. That bad sportsmanship is what has brought us to where we are.

Image123:
Lolz 12.9million cyber attacks is not an issue, right? Because INEC was smarter.

Gajagojo:
Please help me understand
If the National Assembly accepts the proposed electronic transmission and for some reason e.g. GLITCH it does not happen whatbis the consequence

E.g does this mean cancellation

fergie001:
That copy the agent has, other agents have it.
The Police has it.
The original is with INEC.
Subpoena the police to bring the original.

That was how Hope Uzodimma won. Ihedioha and INEC argued those centres did not have results because they were cancelled. Uzodimma said No, my agents have copies. He produced it. INEC was asked to counter it, and they couldn't.

He subpoenaed the Police during the tribunal, the Police came with ghana-must-go bags filled with original copies of Forms EC8A.

Image123:
You just said "We never heard of any serious cyber-security concerns around the IREV."
So i brought to your attention the news of over 12.9million cyber attacks. And you dismiss it with adequate measures paid for. Are you INEC's chief security officer?

casualobserver:
Manual counting is the best, every body has a signed copy of the result sheet and BVS has a record of the accredited voters. If you need to investigate you can forensically examine every single thumb printed ballot which has been done before. IREV is a viewing portal.



We need to do more thinking in this country.

Image123:
https://www.pulse.ng/story/fg-says-over-129-million-cyber-attacks-were-recorded-during-last-elections-2024072608450539311?

Now, you heard.