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Run away from any pastor or mogs telling you he went to hell or heaven or that he saw people there.
There is a deceiver given people wrong visions.

Just ask them, if all these people are going to either hell or heaven, who are those who will resurrect from their graves when the Trumpet sounds?

sonmvayina:
Lol...see how funny you are.. so where do you draw the line?.

My friend The Torah is the key.

Bro look around the religion in the world today with many confusion
Christianity
Islam
Judaism and others
In their various books, their are equally many confusion that they themselves can know but will not agree on
The one who created all things is not the author of confusion. He never created things to be that way. Men fell, the deciever set in, and corrupted many things.
All these things must be corrected to direct men back to the truth before the Creator pours His wrath on earth.

It's NduOrah(tree of life) in my tongue before they corrupted it to Torah. It is the book or tree one must eat from to gain eternal life. Christians copied from it. Islam copied from it. Traditionalist get many of their knowledge there. The powers that be use the knowledge from it to solve many life's problem. But today, the book is Corrupted by thieves just like other religious book. And it is only a corrupted thing that needs correction to make it clean again. That is what I am trying to tell you. Ponder on these things.

It's called scare tactics. When they refuse to believe, scare them with hell!

sonmvayina:
Do you also believe it was also God that called Muhammad? If he can do all things.


If no, why?

Leave people and doctrines alone bro. Work out your salvation. Had told you that all lies and fabrications will be corrected at the right time.

He must have reacted that way cos many will just focus on him as if He is the only sinner there but he was helpless and hungry.
Many Churches will just tie ppl in Church for many hours without providing food for them. If you will keep them for long hours there, provide something for refreshment like the Messiah did. He fed many people who came to listen to him.
Church services should be very short. One hour is ok. Many people there are poor and hungry.

sonmvayina:
He NEVER said he would.....or?

Yea. All I want you to understand is that if mortals can do such things, the Ancient one who created them all can do more than that.
Do you know that in Pre-historic times we were like gods. We can do extraordinary things but we have lost that power in us today. These was why the Psalmist called us gods. The WORD/Messiah also called us gods.
If we have power in those ancient times to do supernatural things, can't the one who created us all and gave us that power do more than that?
All things are possible with Him
Pray to understand things that look impossible to you in the bible, our Creator can do more than the impossible

sonmvayina:
Which truth have you stated?

That God impregnated another man's wife to sire a son...henmm?

He created them and can do supernatural things beyond your comprehension.
If pastors fake or real can perform miracles, why can't him
If your African traditional priests or babalowos can get solution to problems by consulting, which was how our ancestors did great things in the past, why can't Him
If fallen angels can come to earth and sleep with women and create impure bloodline of humans, why can't Him

The Ancient of days is the first master planner or Architect. Reproduction is not done only sexually. There are Asexual Reproduction too. Seeds can be planted in a woman without s*x supernaturally to get her pregnant as in the case of the WORD or Messiah. Their are powerful people good or bad who can do that on earth, why can't Him if He wants
The woman in Revelation 12 who got her pregnant?
Mary in the New Testament who got her pregnant?
The bible is a coded book. Many things there will be revealed this endtime
If you don't understand anything, keep shut or pray for it to be revealed to you. Stop talking against what you have no knowledge of or that has not been revealed to you.
All these your arguments is nothing. The Oldest Man who ever lived can do all things He wish and non of you mortals can question him.

Please repent and flee from those decieving you with false teachings. In no time all the lies in all religions will be corrected by the one chosen to do it and all who do wickedly and follow false teachings will be swept away.

Stop calling everything that has not been revealed to you a lie rather pray and ask your creator to reveal the truth to you. You have his spirit in you and he will reveal it to you.

The bible is not the problem. Those who interpreted it are the problem. It was once a pure book/tree everyone must eat from to gain eternal life(the tree of life). All religion copied from that ancient book and gave their own stories which is far from the truth. This is why all religion are confused today. The chosen one will come to correct all these lies

sonmvayina:
The truth will first pass you off before it will set you free.

You are still asleep. You don't have any truth to tell. You still don't understand many things. When the truth comes, all the lies and blindness will clear from your eyes. You will see well.

sonmvayina:
It does not make you less of a man to admit you don't know what God is..

Lol....keep researching, you will bump with the truth one day. Even if I tell you, you will not understand. Stick to what you believe

sonmvayina:
This is what you get when you mix Jewish scriptures with greek/Roman bull shiit..

David was a Messiah quite alright. Messiah is a king that is anniointed with a special oil. Not a demi God.

Keep sleeping.

Workch:
no evidence for any sovereign father. You only cooked up the stories that are not verifiable

Ok. For your mind

sonmvayina:
I can rightly guess you probably wrote English WAEC more than 2ice.

Hope you know you did not answer my enquiry..


Please who or what is the Supreme creator?

Who or what are the gods?

Give me simple and concise answers..

Stop dancing to the gallery...

Go to google and search for the gods of your tribe. Follow what you believe. We are not doing Q&A here.

sonmvayina:
Psalm 2 was a psalm written by David and given to the choir master to be sung during service.

The lord (God) said to my Lord (David).....David was being chased by Saul....

Psalm 2 confirms my own position...not yours.

Sorry, you are in a deep sleep. Psalm 2 is a Prophecy by David who is an incarnate of the Messiah in that era. He was prophesying about the endtime event.
He will first return on a hill where all eyes will see him
He will take possession of his land and rule all with a rod of iron(the law. This was also said in Rev 12)
All the princes and Kings in the earth will envy and want to war with him
His father will give him power to crush anyone who try to rise against him and his people except they bow to him( that's what it means by kiss the son. In ancient time ppl kiss the hand of a king to respect him. It's a sign of respect)
All on earth will bow to him or perish

All prophets in the bible said these about the Messiah. It's a prophesy. See Rev 12. He will rule the world with a rod of iron. You either worship him or perish

I just unsealed the meaning of Psalm 2 to you. Take it to your bank. I won't argue with you again

Workch:
funny, if you understand the basic principle of nature, you will understand that the Christian God is fake.

He’s always inconsistent with nature

Oga nature bow to the Sovereign Father. The bible is not the problem but those who hijacked and translated it. This is why a time will come that all lost truths will be revealed to all. Christians will also understand the truth when the time comes. They follow the interpretation given by the wrong people when they were told to listen to the people of the book. Unknown to them, the people of the book were hidden, while those who gave them the book exalts themselves as the owners and writers.

sonmvayina:
Matthew 14:29-33 “Truly you are the Son of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Israelites believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Read Psalm 2 to no why He was called a Son on earth. Psalm 2 is when He will appear on earth.
Read Rev 12 to know how he went to heaven after his birth and why He will return to judge the earth.
We all are sons. Ephraim was the first born son of the Creator. He was the first Son or Sun according to nature(Sun of righteousness). We are the other sons.

You will still not understand

sonmvayina:
So who is the mother of the son?

Who is the Creator anyway?

I will not go deep on that. Even many Christians will not understand let alone you. You also think like athiests instead bringing yourself down and study. You are even asking to know who the Creator is. Can you know your village forces or gods that bow down to Him? But you believe they are gods. In African cosmology, there are many gods but all believe in a supreme God who created all things and them.

If you can't understand the principles of nature, you can't understand that of Living. If you can't understand both, you can't understand spiritual or heavenly things. The Creator put everything in nature so that whatever you seek to know, it can give you an answer.
Everything has it's kind.

Workch:
whats the mystery in the Bible?

You guys think that book is so powerful eh. Lol

Better start developing yourself outside of biblical myths

It's the pure word of the one who created you coming as a person to tell you all the the Sovereign Father wished for human. Your salvation to make it into the new world rests on that word. Everything in this world will pass away including the world and all that do wickedly for a brand new world.

Repent and believe in the word and the Sovereign Father

Workch:
sorry the Bible is a hilarious book, it’s full of fallacies and jargons.

Read and study proper quantum and astrophysics then you will see the jokes in the Bible. The book was written by archaic men who had no single atom of idea how the universe works

We shall see. It's a pure book which mysteries can only be understood by men who knew their Creator. It was written by my Ancestors before thieves hijacked and corrupted it. Wait, the truth will Wow you when it comes out.
Repent if you are an athiests and believe in your Creator or the one who Created all things. Who gave you life by his breath and can also take that life whenever he wishes. Everything has the one who created or formed them, we humans inclusive.

The5DME:
So the contents of those books are "not clear", but that of the bible is? How can a book, so full of errors, contradictions and blatant errors be "reliable"?

Many things from the bible were taken from those books. You will not understand. Read whichever you like. Those ones too have their own errors. A time will come for the corrections.

The5DME:
what do you mean by "the bible is our only reliable source"? What about the numerous other books out there? Why should one continue reading a book that cannot anwser my questions? Can you keep reading your primary 6 textbook for the rest of your pitiable existence?

You can read the Aprocrypha- book of Enoch, Forgotten books Eden etc the knowledge you get there can help you understand the bible better. But if you overdo them, you can become an athiests cos many things aren't very clear there. This is why I tell people that the scriptures is a coded book which must be decoded first before on e can truly understand. Though this our current Bible is full of contradictions, allegories, wrong names, wrong locations and many twisted stories but it is the only one we can hold on to for now till the Messiah comes to remove the codes and fulfill all written about him there. When all is said and done, the truths in them all will be written in our hearts and we will no longer need them like in the days of old.

sonmvayina:
When you say father and son, do you mean Enki and Marduk ?...Or

Because the Creator in the old testament has no son or daughters..it is just him. Beside him there is no other...

Leave those ancient tales. Zachariah Stitching only know a little and their are many twisted stories. The current Bible is only our reliable source for now. Stick to it till the Mezie ya or Onye Mmezi (Messiah)comes to UNSEAL and tell the lost truth. There is a Kere-tor(Creator) and He has a Son.

Look at nature and you will understand. According to Joseph's dream. He said the Sun and the moon and stars bowed to him. Father(Sun), Mother(moon), Children(stars). As it's above, so it's in nature, so it's on earth. Follow the Bible for now and don't let those people confuse you with their theories.

PeaceJoyLove:
Oh! I see. You are a colleague of donnie, that boy posting Igbo Jewish and twisting everything up and down. Hahahaha. Oh! I see. That is the reason you are hiding and disguising. I know who you are, and what you believe now. Hmmm!

You better take it easy with what you take. Bro, reduce it ooo. This is my last advice. I dont argue, I state facts, and I leave the scene.

"Sour Diesel" is not good for you. Go and get help. Find a place to rehabilitate yourself. I have advised you ooo. You can continue barking here. I am gone far away from you cos I have just realised the frequency of your tone.

Goodluck!

You are the one who truly need this help cos you will never see that many doctrines and names in your churches today were added to the book by selfish Priests. Don't be too carried away with your pride and miss the truth. All your religion has lost the truth. The truth must go out this endtime to correct all lies they told us. Humble yourself and stop the pride so you can see these things.

PeaceJoyLove:
You are talking "nonsenses". I am bold to say I am a christian. Who are you? Simple. If you cannot express who you believe in, shut up and leave the scene. It is simple.

Leave Abrahamic God alone. Yes, I reckon with him. The question is who do you reckon with? Through what? You want to teach atheists, yet you cannot say who or how you believe in God or gods. But yours is to crucify Christians. Be bold. Show yourself. Who are you? How do you worship gods or God? It is a simple question.

The atheist boy is bold to say what he believes in. You...I am talking to you, where do you belong? Speak or shut up forever.

Which Hebrew? From which tribe of Hebrew? Talk. Stop speaking in parables. Speak out. Reveal yourself. Speak. Stop hiding. If not, get inside your closet and show no more.

When your Churchian lies has been exposed, you guys will start insulting people. Upon all I said you don't know what a Creator is?
A Creator is the one who created heaven and earth. The Ancient of days. The oldest man that ever lived.
You are angry cos I didn't call him God as your Christian father's taught you. That is why you are accusing me.
The Creator and his Son didn't give us religion but rules, laws that we must follow to get eternal life.
If anyone believe in the Creator, they believe in his son and live a righteous life. They are good. It's not by religion.

Your religion believe the creator is God and his son his Jesus. Follow what they told you. I believe in their Hebrew names. Calling Him Creator is not bad cos it shows He created all things. You are the one attacking me and calling me devil cos I don't call the names Romans sold to you as the the name of the Creator and his Son.

You are hyping your religion when you were warned in your Bible that anyone who believe in the Son will be saved when the true message is preached not people who practice religion or are Christians. His true name in Hebrew is not Jesus so am not wrong if I didn't call your Jesus.

So I have nothing to reveal or proof to you cos all we need to do is to
Believe in the Creator( God according to Christians)
Believe in his Son whom all must acknowledge to be saved
Read the scripture and obey the Commandments of the one who created us
We should run away from anything evil too. I don't do religion. If that will make you call me a devil, continue.

PeaceJoyLove:
Hmmm....I misread you indeed. I felt you are a christian. Ok, I get you now. Ok. I am a Christian, where do you belong? What is your way to connecting with god/God? Be bold to say it. Omadioha, ifa, ogun oya, osun, ikenga, Ala, Anyanwu, onwa, ogbanje, Anansa, Esu who Wole Soyinka explained explicitly to some white folks some time ago? Or are you into deep knowledge cultism - freemason, illuminati, eckankar. Do you soul travel? Who are you? Reveal yourself and stop playing games. I'm a practical believer. This is me..show yourself sir.

You see what religion has done to you!
Do you see how religion has brainwashed you ?
I am not a Christian but you have started tagging me as a worshipper of all the religion in your head. In your mind only the Christians know the Creator. What about those the Creator called his people? Are they Christians too? Or you want to call them sinners too and tag them as Unbelievers?
You see how forward you are. Judging without getting the real fact
All these we discussed, does it have anything to do with all you are tagging me to be?
All your religions were called Abrahamic religion.
Was Abraham, a righteous man a Christian?
All the righteous people of old were they Christians?
What religion do they follow?
How come did they serve the Creator faithfully and He called them His People?
Were they righteous or not?
What language was the bible written?
Weren't the names of God and Jesus in that original language?
Why did they choose to replace them with God and Jesus?
If you are the author of a book and you are a Yoruba, if that book is translated worldwide to all languages in the world, will they also translate your true Yoruba name as the author?
Why will the authors of the Bible remove the original names and just gave you God and Jesus which have no meaning in your tongue or African languages which is the most ancient and first where the Bible was copied from?
Can't you see something is fishy here, they did something to hide many things from you
You Christians have to figure these things out first.

The Messiah is a Hebrew man not a Christian.
All your religion have a form of godliness but lack the truth. All were made Apostate a long time ago but many of you don't know
The Messiah will first come to his Temple to sanctify some people first(Malachi 3:1-4) who will go out to preach the truth this endtime before the end (Rev 14:6; 18:1-2). Why?
Because all religion have lost it and know not the true way. All will be decieved by the one who rule the world(Rev12:9)

If you think I am lying, why was the generation of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Only very few people knew the truth. They are not even up to 10, the Creator would have forgived. The same thing in the world today, many people into religion not knowing they are in error. The Creator will destroy the world again for the same reason as of old. What he demands I'd to fear him and abstain from all evil

Everyone will be judged based on their righteousness not religion. Humble yourself and be spiritual. Religion( Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc will not save anyone. Their righteousness and obedience to the one who created them will)

All will line according to their tribes in in judgement, not according to their religion
The Messiah is not Bishop of Bishop, Pope of Popes, Pastors of Pastors, GO of GOs BUT KING of KINGS. King is indigenous to Tribes not religion. He didn't create any religion. People did.

I am a Hebrew and all we need is to fear and obey the Creator and his Commands, believe in his Son who will rule this world and abstain from all evil and wickedness. Everyone can do the same too. Religion and all the names they gave you, can't save anyone.

Follow whatever you believe and leave people to what they believe. The Creator will handle it at the right time. Stop preaching what you don't have knowledge of or that is not revealed to you. The true message will go out at endtime for all who care to listen(Rev 18:1;14:6; Matthew 24:14 the Messiah said it when he was describing endtime events which are happening now. At the endtime which is now shall the true message of the Kingdom be preached to all as a WItness before the end). Some people will be sanctified that endtime to go out and preach the truth which will be different from whatever you were ever taught. Can you see that what you people are preaching in all churches is not all the truth?

Humble yourself and be spiritual.
Don't answer the questions I asked. Just ponder on them.

PeaceJoyLove:
You words arent the best way to talk to athiest. Bro, I am a Christian. Most of the guys and gals here who have changed to atheism are not too deep in it. They are still in Nigeria. I can assure you this. Only those who are abroad might be deep. You cannot be in Nigeria and not still have the feeling of emptiness. But the truth be told God is not operating opening presently like before. Call God when He can answer says the Bible. Meaning you can call God genuinely and He will stay silent. So, how do you prove a silent God?


You cannot control God. You cannot command Him. So, let your words be soft. They have their own convincing answers to the universe. I think you are the one who hasn't questioned the reality of the existence of God. If you had, you wouldn't write this.

It's like you don't understand my comment. It's better you read again. You don't teach such people by insulting them cos they have their own answers to questions. Many of them are also into that mess cos of what they experienced. Have you seen someone who became an atheist cos he watched his sister fall very sick. He spent his money, prayed, fast and went to spiritual prayer houses but still lost her. So He concluded that there is no Creator(I don't use the word God cos if I tell you how they put it in the book you will not understand).

Many of them believe in nature or call on the universe. You need to open their eyes to see that those things were created by someone and also obey that person. So my comments is to help them see that these things they trust in also worship the Creator. That's a perfect way to help them understand. If you try to teach these people by insulting them you are wasting your time. They will insult back and your teaching will not make any sense to them.

I didn't see where I try to command or control God in my comment biko. You said I have not questioned the existence of God. Do I look like an atheist to you?

Do you know who God is?
Have you seen him?
Do you think it's by bearing voices or by reading Bible?
God is not different from god. There are many of them up there decieving many people. That's why God look silent to you and those who insult him
The world today is ruled by the wicked one
When the Creator intervenes in the affairs of this world you will know. It's by cleansing, purging, pruning and judgement like you see today. But he will sound a warning before he chooses to judge anyone. There will be a time for everyone to truly repent including you and me. Cos the true way was corrupted to another thing. What we follow today is not what truly happened. So there will be a correction first.

People not calling on your God or Jesus doesn't mean that they are not spiritual. The bible you read was copied from somewhere and those names is not in the original script. All they need to do is to believe that their is a Creator no matter what they call it and He has a son who will rule this world one day.

The problem you Christians make is that you all think that everything work only in your religion. If people don't believe in your God and Jesus they are damned. To you guys God and Jesus is a Christian and everyone must become a Christian. That is error sister
The Creator gave no one any religion. The Messiah taught his people to return to the Covenant they made with their Creator. He taught people to be righteous and abstain from all evil. Many people have their own way of calling the Creator of all things. It in the time of correction that everything will be clear. Many things you people do in your religion are lies but you don't know. What everyone needs now is to believe in the Creator, His son no matter what they call him, follow after righteousness and abstain from all evil and they won't go wrong

God? Well, that is what Oyibos put in the Bible for us as the name of the Creator

Sit down
Look around the world
The moon, sun, stars , mountains, hills, waterfalls and all beautiful things in the world today
Did they create themselves?
Can the universe create such things?
Can't you see that all these are the handiwork of a great master planner, a powerful Architect who sat down and put all these together?

We human beings have a time to come to earth and a time to die
The sun, moon and stars have a time to come out and a time to sleep

Can't you see that all these and we obey an order from a higher entity above all?
If the Creator open your eyes, you will see that nature and all things praise him in their own tongues they only understand.

The holy book even says
The heavens(nature) declare the glory of their Creator. They show his glory to us in the world. That is ...if you need to understand the Creator, look at nature. They always have an answer for you.

Anthiests Repent! Theirs no time!

2elliot:
Thank you for your time. But well, it is really confusing. I thought it is stated in the Bible that believers must not forsake the fathering of the brethren. Does that not imply church gatherings of like minded people? If I understood you well, u are saying that as individuals we can fellowship with God and not necessarily in gatherings?

I think op already talked about that. They will unite all religion into one. That alone should tell you what you need to do.

2elliot:
Thank you for your time. But well, it is really confusing. I thought it is stated in the Bible that believers must not forsake the fathering of the brethren. Does that not imply church gatherings of like minded people? If I understood you well, u are saying that as individuals we can fellowship with God and not necessarily in gatherings?

Go thru the posts, you will get the answer yourself.

2elliot:
If I don't need religion, does that mean even going to church? How can I become righteous?

True religion according to the bible is what? If your pastor is a false prophet and work for the beast, how do you know? Do you think it's by humility and generosity alone? Many of them use it to cover up. Many of them work for the beast
You don't need religion to be spiritual. You have your Bible, you can study it yourself, you can pray too. Secret worship is what the Most High God love most. It's when you study yourself that the real truth comes to you. You can have a mentor who guides you and teach you things you don't understand. You choose how you want to live your life. No one can do that for you. We came alone, we die alone, will be judged alone. The OP said he saw a thin line drawn between Christian and Muslim. You should find out what it means
Righteousness is by fearing and Obeying your Creator's commands

2elliot:
Guy, can I contact you so u can share me your knowledge about these things?

You don't need them. You don't need doctrines. This is not time for that. It is time to repent from all sins and pursue righteousness and holiness. Run away from religion. It's part of the beast system. Nigerian is sitting on a keg of gun powder. It's only those who remain after the troubles that will know how everything happened.

Your Spirit is your higher self/Your personal angel/your guide/the little portion of the Creator in you that merges with your soul and body to make you a human/the reason you are called gods or Godman/ he who convicts you when you do evil.

Your Soul is the real you cos the flesh is just a cover/ It's what you see when you see yourself in dreams or another world/ It's what the bible meant by the verse "I knew you before I formed you" you first exist as souls in the spirit realm before you came to earth with the flesh. A dead person exists as a soul and body cos the Spirit is gone. When the Messiah died and they pierced him, blood and water came out, blood is the soul while water is the flesh. His spirit is gone already. Blood is the physical representation of the soul. This is why you are told not to eat blood whether of human or animals. It's their soul

Your Body is the physical container that houses the spirit and soul. It's water and therefore profits nothing without the spirit and soul.

The time for judgement of of all flesh, human, spirits,demons etc is in the time of the end. All dead people go to the spirit realm to wait for judgement. It's just like when you are dreaming.