GuyfawkesAB:
You are just all wailing for nothing. This doesn't diminish the civilization of other African grouos nor does it make the Igbo superior. That the Oka men forayed into Yorubaland and brought the improvement of using screws instead of nails for gun assembly doesn't mean they taught the Yorubas metal working.

The Nupes were already great metal workers and their influences cuts across the central part of Nigeria. Ottoman gun trading even came as far as Oyo empire. The Oyo calvary numbered over a thousand horses and they were all armed with Turkish muskets and local guns made by their blacksmiths.

There's a lot to be learnt from history, but rather than learn and make the most of the information it avails, you puffed-up ethno-rascals are running daft all over the place trying to place your d*cks beside other to prove that yours is longer or you taught them how to use their own d*cks

Make una go rest una senseless brains

Crazybeard:

Oga drop receipts, references and all.We don't do conjectures here.

mancoconut:
Igboid and Bkayy dealing with Yaribas since 1800

BKayy:

So you Yorubas owe your history to returned slaves from Brazil who learnt a little of Portuguese and native Indians ways.
This speaks volumes of our difference in civilisation. But so that you know, Ndigbo have already started civilising Yorubas before slavery started.

Igboid:


I mean access to the full content of the book.

Igboid:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3335053

I don't have access to this material.
Anyone with access to it should open it, less see what is in it.

Apparently we not only brought superior metallurgy to Yorubas, we brought to Edos as well.
No surprises. You have to get to Edo before you get to Yoruba, if you are coming from Igboland.
And we have Idumoka village in Igueben town in Esan.
This village was founded by Oka blacksmiths and they were responsible for making the Eben and Ada of royal houses in Edo world.

BKkay, Ekerealto, Slayerforever, Eastlink,

I'm salivating at the content of this book.
Please anyone with access should help us.

BKayy:

I want you to understand something.

Cassava was introduced to Ndigbo and Yoruba people the same year.

Now look at both of us.
Ndigbo have used the cassava given to them to develop "Abacha, garri, akpụ for swallow etc and in the Biafran war brewed Beer from it.
But you, almost hundred years since it was introduced to you yorubas you have not developed anything from it apart copying Igbo garri that till now you haven't learnt from us how to make it yellow to reduce the toxicity of it.

Christistruth00:



Bishop Ajayi Crowther met them in a Food Crisis

Yam was the main Diet

Once the Yam Harvest was bad You had all had it

Christistruth00:



[s]When God used Bishop Ajayi Crowther to take Cassava and Garri to the East

Garri became an instant Smash hit and SuperStar

They Loved it
They are still fighting each other over their share of Garri and Akpu almost 200 years later[/s]

Igboid:
Good one OP.
I opened a thread on this some time ago.
I was hoping it could get to front page.
But it didn't.
If it were the reverse, it would be in front page.

https://www.nairaland.com/6765286/early-igbo-sojourners-eastern-yorubaland
Let's hope it gets to front page this time around, but I'm not holding my breath, soon they would shift it to either culture or tribalism session.
Anything that portrays Igbo race in spotlight is not something that pleases those who run this forum.

BKayy:

Until lions tell their story, the tales of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.

Now let me shock you. Do you know that the Anglo-Aro war in Igboland cost Britain more resources, time and soldiers than what they call Bini Empire?

1. Aro expedition took 5 months while Bini took 9 days.

2. Aro expedition was fought on more than 10 fronts with major battles numbering 7, while Bini was two massacres, one was deliberate while the second was as a punishment.

3. Arọ shocked Britain by digging trenches to evade bullets while Bini didn't show any invention.

4. Arọ expedition cost Britain advanced weapons and manpower numbering 1,550 soldiers of which at least 700 died while the Bini expedition cost Britain 1,200 soldiers no mortar or advanced weaponry and barely recorded any casualty.

Now, answer me one question, between Aro and Bini, who is qualified to call herself an Empire?

9Pluto:


At the rate you are going, you guys would soon unearth the first igbo man to get to Lagos.

SlayerForever:



Your wisdom is in drops. Let me impact on you something you will not hear from another living being.

When the time comes for Ika to fall back into the Igbo nation it is not any of us here you will be fighting against. It is your people who are proud Igbos who will deal with you. They will hunt people like you out, from home to home and execute you in a barbaric manner.

But here you are, pointing fingers at people who will be in their individual town squares waving triumphantly when the time comes.

9Pluto:
I thought I was an informed Nigerian, but with what I have discovered this past weeks including this information I think the Nigerian government owes it as a duty to teach it citizens of their proud history. Despite the unfortunate blight of the civil war. There's a lot to be proud of.

I have always thought that claims of igbo people as great blacksmiths was a ruse. But this confirms it. Contrary to claims and assumptions, igbo indeed have a proud history.

Thank you OP @bomb24 for this piece of history, the term Oka made now begins to make sense.

BKayy:
If one conducts thorough research, he will realise that ancient Ndigbo were moving around civilising alot of nations in Africa and Yoruba people are not left out.

KillIgbohoN0W:
Wow
So Igbos transformed Afonjaland and took them away from their primitive ways with mind-blowing inventions.

Igboid:


I found out this link doesn't exactly lead to Koelle article on Bonny and Igbo.
I would recommend you search under Google: below.

I swear I copied the link, yet the link leads to a different article.

Igboid:


Yes!
This is something I have been trying to bring to light.
There were small Villages that have Kalabari speaking people who are part of Bonny kingdom.
These Kalabari speakers are the ones that labelled their language Ibani.
You find the same thing with OPOBO.
You have main Opobo that is Ndoki Igbo speaking and then you have small Kalabari villages who were subjects to Jaja and hence part of Opobo Kingdom.
Even Ikot Abasi people though Ibibiod speakers were part of Opobo.

We need to do a mini exploration voyage to Bonny and Opobo to clear out some of these issues.

Igboid:
The Ijaw quickly quoted Baike number system but cunningly avoided this part of his work which will solidly dismiss Ijaw claims to Bonny.

9Pluto:


I wanted to wanted to ask you to provide references until I saw the attached pages myself.

That is not Baike's work as he was obviously quoted the the upper section of that page.

The person who wrote that book was referring to Baike while writing his own book.

Igboid:


They were just pirates, terrorizing the whole area.
Something they continue to do even today.

Igboid:


Your colleague was quoting Koller (German) and Baike account like it favoured him, when it actually doesn't.
Koller established that Igbo was the predominant language spoken in Bonny while Baike confirmed why it is so. ie the people trace their origin to Igboland.

I'm only trying to understand why Baike ended up with those non Igbo number system in Bonny.

Crazybeard:

No it is not.Bonny's problem is straight forward.

Ijos bought Igbo slaves(mostly) and slaves from ethnic groups around.The Elders at time chose to use the language of the slaves to trade with the Europeans and other Igbo merchants from the hinterland.Their thinking as silly as it was,was to prevent outsiders (slaves et al) from learning their language.That way they could keep certain secrets.

Also,a lot of Igbo slaves were made part of the canoe houses after passing through certain rites.These slaves still had their language and they taught their children.Before long,Igbo language became dominant.

horsepower102:


Who is we?

Please count me and my Enuani people out of your self hate, self delusion and confusion.

Alabo7978:

Lol who is this one?
Bomb truly dey your head as per your monicker.
You not wondering why your other more intelligent comrades aren't responding to me anymore?
Now get out of here, you no dey my level.