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The superleague was never going to work especially in England where fans won't stand for that nonsense. The biggest losers are Madrid and those who think football is business and all about money.

Havertz10:
meritocracy is dead

Look around you, if you don't know anybody, if you like read all the books in existence, you wouldn't be elevated

If you speak against establishment or contradict status quo you will be blacklisted and framed with nonsense

Wake up

Nigga stop projecting your Nigeria bullshit way of living life here.

Havertz10:
what's a competition?

If we want to talk about what's fair then man city playing Blackburn in fa cup games isn't a competition but because Blackburn will earn match day revenue from man city's visit, we will pretend like it's a competition, guy football has evolved, there are rich and there are poor, forcing the rich to bully the poor because you want everyone to eat is pointless and doesn't achieve anything

Are you not tired, if I was a player and I play a team that I know prior to the match will beat me, i'm already 1 down before the ref blows his whistle


Elite sport is real and soccer is an elite game

What the freaking hell am I reading? Did you think before typing that. Nigga rest. What next Usain bolt should not participate in qualifiers before reaching the 100Meter final

Havertz10:
loans servicing and they were playing players while the game was suspended, if no money is coming in and you are paying players, where is that money coming from? it's when the game resumed that things started to get better but most were already in debt because of that backlog of revenue

look at this chart


Matchday revenue is ticket sales

Broadcast is broadcast

Where did you get this lie from at the bold and who told you stadium revenue is only from ticket sells? Nigga do your research properly next time.

Havertz10:
your arguement is that super league will ruin football and i'm asking what makes an already established club successful, is it fans or money?

Your question makes Zero sense. Football is a competition not a business first and foremost rewarded by meritocracy. Superleague goes against everything football stands for. It's basically a business venture discussed as a competition.

Havertz10:
broadcast revenue wasn't optimized and teams weren't taking full advantage of their relevance hence the super league


Go and look at any major club finances, this method requires external resources to succeed, that's why psg and city can out buy any club, it's not sustainable, they will get bored after winning the champions league multiple times and what happens then?

You didn't answer my question. You brought up stadium revenue and broadcasting money. During the pandemic period when stadiums where closed many clubs ran into debt and even required their players to take pay cuts. This is the first time it has happened in football. What caused it?

Havertz10:
you keep talking about the importance of fans and it's money that makes teams competitive not the fans

You want mbappe, where is the club going to get the money from?

Fans are secondary, Clubs are in debts and many will fall into administration that's ok for small teams but for big teams that's not good, it might seem impossible to you but money is important, if Roman signed up it's because he knows that it will be beneficial to the team long term, not greed like people are making it seem


Where is Portsmouth today? Leeds was bought by an American investment firm that invested in the team to get them there, nobody invest money into something and will just keep pouring in money like a fool, the brand has to become self sufficient and under the old method that wouldn't happen


Fans are secondary, emotional and very stupid, when Lampard was sacked fans cried, same fans are celebrating tuchel

When did I say the bold?

Havertz10:
sighhhhh


How much is stadium revenue compared to broadcast money


Get real abeg

Since you even brought this up please tell me
why most clubs in debt during this pandemic period when stadiums are closed?

Havertz10:
sighhhhh


How much is stadium revenue compared to broadcast money


Get real abeg

Where in my post did I compare both?

timay:
Emotions has finished English fans . They won't think rationally, with a certain failed coach come Pundit(Neville) being the leader of irrationality

You mean local fans? People with 25yrs of season ticket ownership. Who have witnessed the ups and down of their various clubs. Plastic fans like yourself are what is ruining football.

BlueAngel444:
But would such parliament disagree on the basis of 6clubs bringing in that kind of finance into the economy and probability of the next 4 teams playing in UCL. Meaning half or more EPL teams may be playing in Europe next seasons. Then you consider the number of English players that would benefit

If you don't have any idea of anything it's better to keep shut. So tell me how the league will be organized to accommodate the big6?

donjazet:
The first casualty for UEFA. A powerful Australian media firm withdraws it's renewal bid for the champions league due to "uncertainty".
UEFA is fighting a losing battle.

Spot flick is a nothing company in Australia. There are only 2 big sports streaming services in Australia that could compete (Kayo and Optus). They are withdrawing because they went in with a blind bid to get the rights over Optus and realised they don't have the cash for it a few days ago cause no bank gave them the loan so this is an easy way out for them.

Oasis007:


I don't understand your Vexation with the proposed League. If People as you are this concerned with Nigeria League, perhaps the League might be on par with EPL and Co.

Who cares how PL and Co pan out? As far as I am entertained every mid-week with best of Football - Chikena. I don't understand why you're hawking the Matter like Gala in Traffic.

Look at Burnley Players? Do they look like Footballers? Some of them be like UFC Fighters. Too strong and rugged. They are in no way playing attractive Football, but gbas gbos kinda football.

Did you see United vs Burnley? Look at Wood, Westwood and Greenwood? Which of the Trio really looks like a football Player? Well..... correct Answer has said itself with a Brace and scintillating Performance.

Be honest with yourself, how many times have you sat down to see Matches like Burnley vs Westbrom? We're following EPL because of Top 6 Clubs. We're following UCL because of Real, Barca, Juventus and Co. It's just Bayern that gonna be missed, rest German Clubs are non existence.

Super League has come to stay. Can't wait to have PES2022 or FIFA2022 exclusively for Super League.

That's the reason you kind are called Plastic fans. Glory hunters who thinks football revolves only around the top teams.

FergieRaww:
Y'all go check out FLO's press conference...

The ESL would be in no way affecting the EPL or any other domestic league

take it as there'll be no UCL nights instead an ESL nights for the big boys on weekdays and on weekend the big boys return home to play domestic league matches as usual...

So explain how the premier league will function and it's pyramid table? What happens to the top4 at the end of the season? If Liverpool/Tottenham finishes 20th who gets relegated? Why would the top6 team take the league seriously when it it has no significance at the end of the season?

This is on another planet from american sports and people need to stop being so ignorant about it. NBA and NFL have revenue sharing and purposeful talent distribution to make the worse teams better and enable every team to compete. Yes, it is not without its own issues. But salary caps and drafts keep leagues constantly competitive barring some sort of superstar being so dominant that there is still nothing to stop them (Brady, Lebron, etc). Even then, the Warriors got better through the draft. It is nothing even close to or comparable to the proposed Superleague or to any domestic pyramid.

nitrogen:
You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. Have you asked yourself why few players dominate major industries in every economy? Go and read up on stuffs about oligopolies in developed countries. Some corporations dominate key industries and swallow small players through acquisitions so they can play their games. The government find it difficult to oppose or sanction them.

Meanwhile, I don’t know why anyone should fret over this. Go check Forbes’ top 50 most valuable sports teams in the world, American clubs dominate the list, with just 7 non-American clubs.

Adopting the American model will help dilute the list and ensure that minimum of 20 UK and European clubs are on the list by 2023/2024. Also, more money for the UK, the club’s revenues and profits will increase significantly, resulting in higher earnings by the government. Of course, they’ll continue to have inflows from other (lower) leagues.

Change is constant, emotional stuffs will only delay stuffs. But then, time is money!

Stop typing bollocks. This is honestly worse than the NBA or the NFL. None of that American bull.shit here.

That was simply the way their model of sporting competition was designed from the beginning. And even then they have more teams across the country, a well developed and well funded scheme/culture that allows the sport to flourish at amateur, grassroots, youth, college level, and even built-in albeit flawed systems to ensure some form of meritocracy and checks and balances, whether between shareholders and players or between teams.

In this case the 13 richest teams literally chose to conspire and kill off an existing system of thousands of teams and doom them to literal subservience for the sole purpose of adding more money to their already extraordinarily rich pockets.

Havertz10:
what's the crime?

Abeg show me where it is written in the Uncodified constitution of the united kingdom that these clubs have committed a crime, sentiments isn't law

Even the queen self can't do shit, know how much uk economy gains every year from premier league teams 7.8 billion

Players and clubs paid 3.3 billion in taxes per year

How much the Monarchy dey make a year for uk government from tourism and land renting?


Premier league is their biggest export and those clubs are it's biggest draw, people around the world care about them and they know it

If you know nothing about how things work in the U.k then make you research. It isn't like the US where the Constitution protects property rights. In the UK, the Parliament is sovereign and can do anything it wants through the passage of an Act of Parliament. If they consider the superleague an illegitimate league which will affect the good of the nation they can stop all the big6 clubs from breaking out. This isn't really an issue, it would fly through parliament and have cross-party support. Will United,City, Chelsea etc move away from Britain? No

timay:
This bro thinks we are still in 1980s

Money talks now. Back then football was passion, even club football is not even as lucrative because footballers are not even rich back in the days. The guys that played football those days did it for passion not for money because there was no money there as incentive that much. Reverse is the case today

You didn't answer the question bro

nitrogen:
But it’s a tricky situation, you know? Basically, Britain is no longer part of Europe, therefore they need to back UEFA for so many reasons. However, dont forget that it won’t make sense for them to screw the owners of the six clubs. If that happens, the investment community won’t be happy with the UK. You know what that means right? Especially considering the fact that COVID has humbled every economy.

Tricky situation, the government should not interfere, or better still, tell UEFA to negotiate.

The Government takes on Corporations ten times the size of this league every day if any of those owners think the Government won’t grind them into the ground they are sorely mistaken. Any politician will use this to score cheap points for themselves especially Boris.
Boris was rubbing his hand the second his assistant told him about this.Easy PR points especially in the middle of an pandemic for someone looking to extend his stay. They are bleeped.

Taking on UEFA is one thing taking on the Governments is another.They will never allow this to happen.

timay:
The ones that earns millions of pounds every year from their clubs, as against the paltry 5k dollars appearance fee they receive from their countries per game which they get to play twice or thrice every 3 months

And you think playing for your nation is about money? You think giving the chance to represent Brazil in the World cup or Psg in the champions league Neymar will pick Psg? Or Ronaldo playing in the world cup with Portugal or champions with juventus he will pick juve?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Most key players of some countries are in these Super league clubs. So who do you think would be crying if those players are banned?

DeBruyne, Messi, Ronaldo, Ramos, and so on are vital to their country. Ban them and see their countries begging, instead of them

I don't think any player would want to go against this. The reward is obviously massive[/color]

That's the incentive to push them to come out and oppose the superleague. Messi won't want to miss the World cup same with Ronaldo not playing for Portugal again. Uefa and fifa has so many tricks to play.

Havertz10:
players value their club more than their country


One gives them food and lifestyle, the other is just formalities

Which player told you that?

OJURONGBE1:
How many of the players have come out ?
Ander Herrera that left Man United cos he was offered a bigger pay package at PSG? Nigga please...........
If you know how much is in the offering for players of these clubs, dem gan self go dey pray silently for ESL to come to fruition.

And how many players have told you they love the superleague idea?

OJURONGBE1:
I tell you, once the ESL get the biggest brands on their side then UEFA are done for.

Biggest brands? The players are not even on their side because they have a lot to lose from the super league.

timay:
He's the prime minister , so what?
He's no different from the other MPs. Politics is more complex that just the Prime minister or President having a final say on things, except they are not practicing democracy.
These guys are not dumb o. They have access to the best of lawyers in the world. They obviously didn't break any law, that is why even FIFA and UEFA haven't brought out anything to counter them, they are still consulting after over 24 hrs of announcement and they are yet to bring out any UEFA rule they broke. The only best thing UEFA president could do was rant in front of camera and issue threats without any legal standing.

The fact that these big guys are so confident about it shows that they probably found a loop hole to exploit. The next best thing UEFA can do is to eat the humble pie and renegotiate with these big boys.

Europe is not a banana republic, Any illegal declaration by any government or UEFA will be met with strong lawsuits by these big clubs and both clubs and UEFA probably knows that there will be no winner.

UEFA lost all the cards when they failed to implement FFP rules to the letter to curtail the big boys , now they can't deal with the monsters they made. Let them enjoy what they created

It seems you think Britain is still part of the E.U
Britain is no longer in the European union thanks to brexit so they can make any law they want against whatever that's not in the countries interest. If they consider the superleague a non legitimate tournament they can deny work permit to those clubs that means no foreign players van be signed. Fifa and Uefa can ban their players from participating in their competition meaning no World cup and Euros for them. England Football Fa can ban English players playing for the big 6 from being called up to the national team as well or even signing English players.

I never knew people can be this dull. It seems they think clubs don't follow rules and regulations in a particular country they operate in. Imagine asking who is Boris the prime Minister of freaking Britain.

seankafor:
who is boris?
He can't stop shiit my friend.

If you don't know anything then keep shut.

timay:
I doubt it.

Big cooperations all over the world budget for politicians lobbying money as part of their running cost. These guys are not dumb , they are smart, and they have smart and intelligent people I'm their employ who does crisis management for them and have anticipated the government getting involved

Infact , politicians are the least of their problems because most of these politicians are owned by these big cooperations

It seems you think we are talking about just any politician. Here is the prime minister comment on the superleague Link https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-european-super-league-b1833689.html%3famp. Their is no lobbying here on something that will destroy England top league.

timay:
The British government also got involved in 1992 during the creation of EPL from the national league, at the end of the day, the big clubs had their way and the government ended up forcing the hand of the FA to let them be.

It's about lobbying bro. Infact, politicians are the easiest for big firms to lobby when the big firms want to have their way.
Also, do you guys think these clubs haven't budgeted for this? or you think they just woke up yesterday and started bringing up Super league idea without looking at the possibilities, both legal and political?
Something that Perez and his American friends have been planning for over 10 years

They didn't plan on the British government getting involved that's for sure. Both scenarios are not the same one bit. Britain has nothing to gain From the creation of a superleague rather it harms their domestic league. Their is no lobbying the Prime minister on this occasion when the entire nation is against it.

Havertz10:
All these fans and pundits shouting that it wouldn't happen don't understand how big firms work


They already know that all these will happen, every wail and threat was budgeted for


Who remembers when uefa wanted to ban man city for 2 years, una no ask why uefa lost the case at court of arbitration uefa isn't as powerful as you think, only man city humble them, last time that kind humbling happen na scientology vs IRS for America


They can't be banned cause there is no law that justifies it, super league is here to stay, as fans accept change and stop being sentimental about old practices

As long as the british government has getting involved then its a different ball game. They are various laws they can enact that will strangle all the big teams in England. Infact they can deny working permit to all their players and even deny them from buying foreign players. They can also ban them from signing home grown players.

Greenwood has been poor tonight

hensben:
Nothing wrong being a system player just that it’s a big disadvantage if you play for a team with no culture who hire and fire managers at will like Chelsea, Madrid, etc. If Pep succeeded in signing Jorginho then he would’ve being hailed to high heaven by now as the best CDM in epl and the world but unfortunately he is in Chelsea.

Systematic players are easily exposed, it’s selected managers that can use them.

So system players like Messi, Iniesta, Xavi etc will be easily exposed if they had gone elsewhere?