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Templee333:
at the same time he (your jw friend) is also praying that God opens ur eyes to understand their truth.that's how it goes.

He thinks his JW friend is lost, his JW friend is convinced he is marked for Destruction. Funny world.

The JW Organization is false from its foundation to the top. Yet, this does not mean that the other Christian churches existing are any better.

It is important that people especially "concerned" folks like the you quoted learn that as exjws, we are not seeking sympathy or a pity party. We took a stand against falsehood even at the great cost it came.

We don't even want to start with the religion of the person you quoted. That is an entire seperate kettle of fish.

pinkylovely:
Hi!! . How's it been so far being a POMO? Thanks so much for your encouraging words. I'm a female. I'll definitely reach out to you soon.

Being POMO has it's challenges, but I wouldn't trade my freedom for the world.

I planned my steps of action; Made sure i had my finances in order.

It's not easy replacing the social network lost, especially since only exjws can truly understand what you went through and most of my new social network are not exjws. But there's progress there too.

In all ramifications I'm doing better as a person: better financially, better emotionally (no more heart palpitations and panic attacks caused by Fear, Obligation and Guilt), better physically.

I'll open up more to the specifics when you do reach out.

As to your situation, patiently plan out your exit strategy. You have our support. All the best.

POMO here.

Executed my fade recently. I wish you well as you try to escape the Organization.

Feel free to reach quote this comment and reach out if you ever need to talk.

Are you M or F?

Afonja 3 - Flathe@ds 2
Afonjas win this one

MAZI NNAMDI KANU the man who saw tomorrow said these exact words in 2014. You people called him an alarmist, a war monger, you insulted him. Now it is happening right before you. All security apparatus bar none is in the hands of Fulani, your villages are being taken over. Don't worry it will reach your cities soon. If you like shout God Forbid all you want. If God did not forbid the massacres in Benue, then know that yours is next.

It would soon dawn on you that while you were insulting MAZI NNAMDI KANU, You should have been arming your own militia like the heartless Fulanis have done.

Nigeria which way

achorladey:
@ bondatt and rottennaija make una restrict the questions to just one at a time.

For example that first question asked by bondatt is enough for the time being. Let needanswer provide answers to that first. If you are not satisfied press him further. Except needanswer hides under the cover of needanswer.

needanswer there are a lot of "the person conducting my study taught me this taught me that in your post"
Are you "studying your conductors?" or are you "studying the Bible?".

The people you are studying with always accuse others of saying "my pastor says" yours is becoming "my bible study conductor says" or the "Organization you are about to be a member of says" all na same of same. Keep that in your note when responding to questions asked.

I agree Good point. If he doesn't provide genuine answers to any of the questions there would be no need pursuing a conversation with him further.

Lol. I have been reading this with smile on my face. The more you read, the clearer it becomes that needanswer is not actually looking for answers. He's seeking for validation of his held belief by hoping to win an argument.

I laugh. If you know who some of us were in the organization and what our "privileges of service" were, you won't even fancy this your show of "wit".

Rottennaija has asked you questions which you have tried to wriggle your way out of.
The questions remain

1) John 6:54 since you agree that this scripture applies to those with the heavenly hope, how come your organization teaches that the resurrection of the "anointed" started in 1914?
Notice that the Bible says . "I will resurrect him ON the last day". Jesus did not say "IN" the last day as if to suggest an extended period of time.

Please answer that.

2) According to Romans 8:14 are you led by God's Spirit or are you led by the flesh?
Please note that it is only those two options that are presented in the book of Romans. So please answer. Are you led by the spirit or flesh?

Please answer this too.

3) here comes my own questions. You say Jesus is your mediator. This is funny. The organization teaches that Jesus is not your mediator but the mediator of the 144,000 only. How do you reconcile this? BTW, if you doubt me, I will show you from your own publication

4) You claimed your Bible study "conductor" taught you that God has always have an Organization. Okay fair enough, now who or what where God's Organization in the 1100's, 1200's, 1300's, 1400's ... Before Russell had his start in the late 1800's?

Please answer this one too

5) my final question. Your organization claims to have been chosen in 1919 by Christ after inspection to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Please provide Biblical, Empirical, and historical proof to support this claim.

Show us in the Bible where this was foretold so that we can examine together. Then tell us the criteria for picking your organization as outlined by your organization let's and lets examine if your organization met this requirement.


We dey wait for answer.

Kent2020:
What makes you believe those things on jwfacts are true?

Because all the things there are based on your own publications and you can confirm them by checking the references from your own publications on JW.org or wol.jw.org

By the way, if it is lies, you will easily find that out for yourself. Remember what I told you about A Governing Body member woke up to the falsehood of the organization and left as his conscience could not allow him continue. See! I urge you to do your own research if you truly have integrity.

you do research it's one of two outcomes:

1.) You discover that you have the truth and your faith becomes even more rock solid and you can give your all to your organization without reservation

2.) You realize that your organization is not the truth. In which case you can you can be glad for discovering this and you would stop wasting your life for an organization that is not the truth.

The choice is yours.

Ask yourself are you being honest with yourself?
You tell people to research their religion with external sources but fail to do so for yourself. That is double standard. Do your research and take your stand for what is right.

Kent2020:
Stop it,jwfacts.com does not belongs to Jehovah's witness. What's you motive be the way?

I never said it did. My motive is for you to do objective research. Prove the truth to yourself. If you have nothing to fear, if you have no doubt, you should not fear research.

Kent2020:
Jwfacts does not belong to Jehovah's witness..Imagine you telling me google is my friend, so everything on google are facts right?

So if you want to know the facts about The Catholic church would you only visit their website or would you visit other sources to see what others have to say about them?

Kent2020:
Op I'm sure you predicted all this..I was born in that organization and we were always told that even Jesus does not knw that date of Armageddon. Of course when his disciplines asked him when the son of man will come he told them that only the father knows,but he only give signs that when we start seeing this signs,we should knw that the time is not far away..So I don't understand where you got this from

You do not know your own organization. Do the research and see for yourself. Check out jwfacts.com

Search for this book online it's free to download.
"Crisis of Conscience" it was written by A Governing Body member named Ray Franz whose conscience could no longer allow him to teach such falsehoods.

Or download directly here : https://www.mediafire.com/folder/scqsf8h4rzcf7/Crisis

Chose the English version and download

Again, before you doubt me, do your research Google is your friend.

You would soon find out real soon why your organization warns you not to research anything about them.
If you have "the truth" would you be scared to examine your belief? Answer that honestly for yourself.

Again all what the OP wrote is in your own publications. Get their references on jwfacts.com
or visit a kingdom hall with very old books in their library. Or better still use the library at your branch office and do your research.

Truth doesn't fear scrutiny

Any JW who doubts anybody what the OP has written should do their research.

Get old publications and see for yourself.

Check jwfacts.com

MaxInDHouse:
We are not sent to go out and look for people with whom to argue Sir {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} so if you want to know the TRUTH about us, you can ask your questions and we'll oblige to address it with mild temper and deep respect! 1Peter 3:15
Note that we are not going to argue with you, so go straight to your question and wait patiently for our response but mind you we are not open to interfaith. So whatever you concluded after our discussion remains your own personal decision we will not welcome opinions we just need to present our beliefs, it's either you like it or detest it.

I don't see him arguing with you. Stop running when no one is chasing you. The floor is open for you to debunk any part of the letter you feel is wrong. After all, you were the one who invited yourself to this thread. The Bible says you should be ready to make a defense of your faith. So the floor is open.

People have a right to hear both sides of the argument, and not even your "Overlapping" Governing Body can hide the truths about your religion. With the click of a button on Google people can learn all they need to know about your religion in Minutes.

I ask you again to provide empirical, scriptural and historical evidence that proves that Jesus came back invisibly to chose your religion in 1919.

Hoephase:
Out of curiosity what is the yard stick on which the moral value that consider people that sleep with people that are not their partner as sluts, are based on?

My yardstick is 1 Cor 6:15 - 17 :

" Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Or don’t you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”b 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit. "

Except you don't believe the Bible. If you don't, I can quote Quran for you. No time.

funmisticqueen2:
No one is trying to make virginity unappealing. If not male non virgins will also be viewed as sluts who bring nothing but diseases.

But men measuring a woman by something as friable as a hymen, that a lot of virgins aren't born with and nothing else is as shallow as a chicken scratching the ground.

Male non virgins are sluts. I make no apologies for that, neither am in the business of trying to make friends by saying what they want to hear.

It goes both ways. Men and women who are 'actively' in the business of sleeping with those who are not their marriage mates are sluts. If their is another euphemism for the act, I'm open to hearing it, but for now that is what they are.

Of course those have stopped giving their bodies and private organs to every John and Jane do not come under the slut tag. But those who are actively doing it are sluts.

See, call me old fashioned or anything but that is the truth we all like to run from. What is bad is bad, what is good is good.

I'll rather be called a mad man in a morally decayed world than be called a sane among the morally bankrupt.

Hoephase:
Bros why are you barking?

Can you show me anywhere in the post you quoted where she discourage anyone from being a virgin as asserted in your write up?

Bros I have lived long enough to know when someone is trying to subtly imply something.

See, I'm not about to go all religious and spiritual, but we live in times when people who say and do abhorrent and morally reprehensible things are now celebrated, while those who do what is natural, virteous and moral are shamed.

She was saying it doesn't matter if you marry a virgin, that a man who is poor in bed (in her words) will lose his wife to their driver. That is a lie from the pit of hell, and nothing could be farther from the truth. How can a non virgin like her self who has lost all sense of commitment and attachment because of been rammed through by so many dicks know what it feels like to be a virgin woman who sticks to her husband?

She's trying to make sluttiness and virginity the same. We see through that veil, and we will have no place for that nonsense. She's trying to make herself feel better about whoring. That message is destructive as it can make unwary young women and men alike who have value for their bodies to begin whoring themselves and think it makes no difference.

Of course she's entitled to her opinion, but so are we. We are entitled to call her bluff and expose her falsehoods.

Sixfeetbelle:
That's why I pity men who want to marry virgins as a measure to hide their awful bedmatics. Women gossips about their sex life and before you know it, virgin wife will want to experience all these things but won't tell the husband cause 'she's a virgin and shouldn't know about those things'. Las las, na Okey, your driver that will educate her more

What a load of tripe!
All in a bid to make whoring acceptable, you are subtly trying to make virginity unappealing.

Try projecting your insecurities somewhere else. Our mothers were virgins and lived with our fathers till their death. No accounts of infidelity. For degenerated minds like you, you think sex is the only ingredient in marriage. Sex is not the only ingredient, neither is it the main ingredient. It is a cherry on the top.

With mindset like yours it's no wonder we have a lot of broken homes, bastard children and abortions. Our parents knew that family life meant responsibility, selflessness, integrity, self control, morality and virtue.

The holy book said that he gave Sodom and Gomorrah to unattainable sexual lust. That is exactly what is happening with you and your ilk. When your vaginas have suddenly overriden your brain. Blame no one but yourself for the fact that you have overrun your mileage and have no control of your own libido again.

Project your degenerative thinking elsewhere. You try to 'smartly' paint abhorrent black to become white.

When you talk about sex, you talk about it in a way that will make the unwary think it's rocket science, and that there is more to gain than the minutes of gratification. Let me ask you. Who taught Adam how to satisfy his wife eve? Is it your degenerate self? Who taught our parents who were virgins, both male and female to have sex, procreate and have happy families? Is it your degenerate self i ask again.
Who taught you how to suck your mothers breast? Didn't you learn as every adaptive creature does?

For men and women virgins reading this, don't lose your self worth because of wolves like these who have lost them trying to demean what is naturally vitreous. A man and woman who love themselves would have all the time in the world to learn about sex among themselves and experiment all they need to with themselves. They would have the love and patience to seek medical help and consultation if they have a need to do so while maintaining the bonds of their marriage.

The way these sluts talk, it is clear that the only thing in their cranium is sex. That is why say if for example their husband or their wife becomes handicapped and can no longer carry out their sexual duties, they cheat on them, or worse yet they leave them. Our forefathers and parents knew what marital commitment and true love, a ride and die kinda love truly meant.

Remain vitreous, have your own standards for what is right and stick with them no matter what others may say.

TO these whores I say, go reap what you've sown.

Maximus69:
Please everyone in this forum, can someone get me Bondatt?

Please tell him "Jehovah loves him,and he's appreciated always no matter what he might have done in the past"

We sin often and Jehovah is willing to forgive us as long as the sin committed is within the bounds of human flesh.

The unforgivable sin Jesus emphasized means sins we commit against the spirit of truth!

Satan want us to speak against what we're sure is good and can't be found elsewhere,{ Isaiah 5:20} he knew quite well that if he's able to bring us down to this debased condition of the heart most people will stand against all moral understanding. This is the sin against God's holy spirit and Jesus said it is UNFORGIVABLE!

So if your heart compels you to speak against Jehovah's witnesses because of some things that's not clear to you about this organization, you are still on the safer side.
But NEVER speak against someone or a group simply because you see others doing so when you're sure that THERE IS NO OTHER PERSON OR GROUP AS REPUTABLE AS THE ONE YOU'RE STANDING AGAINST! In this situation, "God will NEVER forgive you" ~Jesus Matthew 12:32

You quoted me five good times just to rant like A raving rabid dog, without one iota of evidence to support your concoction. You just use emojis to cover your ineptitude to come up with any argument. So typical.

With each response, you repeat the same gibberish.

Not one damn answer to any question. What a joke.

Not one attempt to disprove my points.

That u affiliated with the UN whom JW calls wild beast for 10 years. I provided the link in my previous post from guardian news media to back it up.

That the organization were in court in Australia for covering and refusing to coperate with police on 1006 child sexual abuse cases. Imagine the number. Again I provided link. With ur governing body member lying on live television.

That ur organization teaches that Jesus is mediator for only 144,000 (Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31)
When the bible clearly says "… one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."( 1 Timothy 2:5,6)

That 607 bce is false date of Jerusalem destruction as cuineiform tablets from Babylon has show 586/586 bce to be the date.

That 1914 is a false date with ideas of it starting with William Miller Of The Adventist church and later nelson Barbour and then Russell being an editor for Barbour adopted the so called chronology.

That even Luke 21:24 u use to support the bogus 1914 teaching was talking Of The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ce and not backdated 607 bce.

That even your stopping of your anti type bullshit invalidates 1914 bullshit as Daniel 4 had only one fulfillment on Nebuchadnezzar.

Hope you know that this generation teaching has changed 6 times ?

Good intention will never be an excuse for believing in falsehood. You keep saying the organization is the best and try to dismiss false doctrines as human imperfection. I pity you.


This is the last time I'll grace you with a reply.

You'll one day wake up, I guarantee that. But before then you'll soon answer to ur overseers when they get a letter.

Every one knows that truth fears no scrutiny. Any JW who is sincere has nothing to fear. Never be afraid to confirm your doubts. Make research about your organization. Wikipedia is a good starting point.

Read read read.

www.Jwfacts.com uses the organizations own publications To Help you compare and contrast. If you're sure you have the truth, you have nothing to fear. Do your research.

Many Jws around the world are waking up.

This is my last post on this thread Peace out guys.

Janosky:
Maximum69 responses to your posts is solid proof you're have been lying on a public forum that JWs "discourage critical thinking".

It's a firm rebuttal of your lies and rejection of your falsehood.
Go ahead and report him nau.....
You sheepishly pay membership fees/dues in your church,(ooh oh you be pastorpreneur wey dey chop Church membership fees?
Jesus Christ NEVER paid church dues, neither did his followers.
JWs DO NOT pay membership fees/dues to anybody.
Will Jesus Christ tell his followers to feed on the junk of Pharisees?
You buy the sermons,tapes of junk from pastorpreneurs, you listen to them week in , week out, it's well.... hypocrite!!
You wey be independent thinker, climb your church pulpit during next sunday services and challenge your god of men pastorpreneurs... (like Martin Luther).
Reform their "businesses" and licentiousness in Christendom before you can stand on the moral high ground to remove the speck from Jehovah's servants.

People under mind control don't know they are under mind control. See how you are barking when no one is chasing .

See how narrow minded you are, you think every one belongs to a religious group.

I have laid bare my arguments, the onus lies on you to rebuff them.

You'll one day turn back to see how brain washed you are. For now enjoy your mental slavery.

You are disobeying "divine" instruction by engaging in arguments in this forum. You should be counseled strongly, marked, reproved or even disfellowshipped.

As for Maximus. He'll answer for his crime. I've sent the letter already. Una never see chumchin

IjebuWarrior:
See how dis one don bleach him brain commot. Dem go come here come say dem pipu no dey bleach...

Rubbish and NgadaAwo balls!

He didn't bleach bro,
He's always been fair. The camera now is better than it was in the past, plus good food and environment gives a better skin condition overall.

The core of JW is based on the 1914 date, using Daniel 8. What many Jws don't realize is that they are not the ones who came up with this so called bible chronology. It was William Miller. Adventists and Jws all reaped and incorporated his calculations.

See the Wikipedia link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism

Jws read read read.

Russell believed that the pyramids of Giza had divine importance, he used the measurements for the pyramids to calculate the 1914 date in his book "Divine Plan of the Ages"

See verifiable quotes from Russell's own book

"Here, thanks to the very accurate measurements of all the passages, furnished by Prof. Smyth, we are enabled to reach what to us are by far the most interesting features of the testimony of this "Witness" yet delivered."
Studies In the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.338

"Prof. Smyth found the first of these measures (a) to be 1874 Pyramid inches, the second (b), 1881 Pyramid inches, and the third (c), 1910 Pyramid inches; Thus reduced, they would give the dates (a) October, 1874, (b) October, 1881 and (c) October, 1910 A.D."
Studies In the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.363

Maximus69:
Yet you're saying members shouldn't have come here to get in contact with you in the first place.

Please how do you expect Jehovah's Witnesses members to get in contact with you if they're not here doing what you're doing right now?

Mr Bondatt, You don dey colo walahi talahi!

Truthfully speaking Sir, you need spiritual assistance or a psychiatrist fast!

Fool I didn't say it, your organization made the rule not me. Please discredit the watchtower below. Atleast all have eyes.

Many Jws as well as other religious cult adherents are waking up in this information age.

Maximus69:
You hope to send whatever to the branch committee of Jehovah's Witnesses, to scold their own followers who are associating with them, you claim the organization is a cult, you even wish members should leave the organization, you said people shouldn't stick to the rules of any organization but to what they clearly understand after reading their Bible.
Yet you think you've got what it takes to make the organization arrest, imprison or kill their own members because they're doing exactly what you're doing now on social media.
All these you're saying because these ones you're chatting with on social media are NOT strictly adhering to the rules of their organization which you yourself said is a cult!



My friend, you need to see a psychiatrist fast!

Are you scared already? Why the long epistle?
I didn't make the rules, your organization did.
You are trying to use critical thinking to rationalize your viewpoint. Your organization discourages critical thinking. It's called independent thinking and satanic.
So all this your useless explanations should be saved for the elders when you are called

To current witnesses waking up, see response from the United Nations. You owe it to yourselves to hear both sides see links:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBE_oof1RzE

http://web.archive.org/web/20170304073619/http://ask.un.org/faq/14501

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

Truth fears no scrutiny

Maximus69:
The Bondatt guy is the funniest clown ever on this planet!

Just imagine someone saying such evil about Jehovah's organization, he is the same person saying "Go and meet your elders(those taking the lead amongst Jehovah's Witnesses) for what? HELP!

Instead of mentioning his own religious groups, he mentioned Mormon to ridicule Jehovah's Witnesses, at the same time he feels JWs are well disciplined to the point that one can report their activities on social media to their organization and expect them to be reproved!
Useless idiots everywhere this days!

Keep typing more things I need to send to the branch. You don't know who are dealing with aswear.

To ur question, see how wapped ur reasoning is, you think every one is associated with organized religion. Do you know that Russell in his earlier days condemned organized religion? Don't believe me, see it here

"(2) Beware of "organization." It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day."
-Watchtower 1895 Sep 15 reprints p.1866.

"We are in fellowship with all Christians in whom we can recognize the Bible as the only standard. We do not require, therefore, that all shall see just as we do in order to be called Christians, realising that growth in both grace and knowledge is a gradual process."

Watchtower 1882 Apr reprints p.344

"The test of membership in the New Creation will not be membership in any earthly organization, but union with the Lord as a member of his mystical body;"

Millenial Dawn - The New Creation (1904) p.74

I don't need to spend time on you. I know that one day, your eyes will be opened, especially as you expose yourself to material ur organization prohibits. The only challenge for you then will be where do you go? Dont worry you'll get past that bridge when you reach there.

But for now, expect your summon from ur body soon.

Cheers.

grandstar:
jwfacts.com is a disreputable website whose only existence is to disparage Jehovah's organisation and draw away his disciples from Him (Read Acts 20:28-30).

We aren't aligned with the UN. Our obedience is to the Christ. We have always stood neutral down to this day in respect of political affairs, something many non-Witnesses even know and which we have suffered immeasurably for. To now say we are aligned with the UN makes mockery of the suffering which many of us go through because of our neutral stand.

The problem with you is that you are a mindless controlled robot and you don't even know it. I posted a link, and instead of you to go through it, you tried to discredit the source without even reading it. Well, that's what you'll expect from someone under mind control.

Your mind has been programmed to shut down and tag as untrue anything critical of your American cult.

Well I don't speak without fact, and since you want a secular source, here it is:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/oct/08/religion.world

I'm waiting for you to discredit theguardian news house too. I really feel for you.

See another link :

http://web.archive.org/web/20170304073619/http://ask.un.org/faq/14501

There's a saying that what you don't know is bigger than you.

Truth fears no scrutiny. Make your research

Also don't forget to watch the Australian royal commission case number 29 on YouTube :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBE_oof1RzE

See Governing body member Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath.

Truth fears no scrutiny. Do your research.

Maximus69:
Walahi Talahi, You're the funniest clown ever on this planet!

Well if you're against comments of people on Nairaland, just exit the group.

Continue trying perhaps you'll get it correctly before night falls!

Thank you for the affirmation. Was all I needed

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir!

You missed the target.

Try harder!

By the time we are done, not only will your privileges of service be gone, you'd wish you never dared me aswear

Better go and meet your overseers before it's too late.

Does the pic below look familiar?

Maximus69:
Walahi talahi, you're the funniest clown ever on this planet!

Well let me educate you a little Sir.

God's organization is progressing in wisdom, so we're not stagnant like other false religions who won't improve in their understanding of applying scriptural principles.

If we're allowed to go and meet people in their homes and an interested persons out there presents what the organization has tagged apostates materials, will you just leave the interested person with the so called apostate materials?

Isn't it much more reasonable to carefully debunk such materials by making use of the Bible?
How are you going to debunk what you've not read/studied with efficacy?

Well, it's obvious you were once with God's people but the door is not shot yet. So you can come back and continue the race to life on the one and only lane that leads to everlasting life!

Hypocrite I say again go and seek help from your elders. Well, you soon get a call either way. See a material by the watchtower here...
You are doing exactly what the organization warns against.

Watch your back my brother

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir!

You missed the target.

Try harder!

We'll see about that

E go soon clear for ur eye

Maximus69:
@bolded!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses do care!

That's why we keep coming to visit you, perhaps we can settle the differences in our beliefs or better still understand how to relate with you,
We can relate as family ~ if we happens to come from the same tribe or family.
We can relate as colleagues ~ if we do the same kind of business/trade.
We can relate as spiritual family ~ if we share the same faith.

We need to relate with our neighbors somehow, that's why we MUST care!

Mr Babatunde Aregbesola, you'll soon get a call from your congregation elders when they receive a letter from the branch.

Keep your arguments and rebuttals coming..