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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 6:01pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:52pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
It's happy hour again. Thank God it's Friday! Santa Egungun is coming to town. @ Excuzeme, what should I order? |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:43pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
In the news CEO And Contractor Responsible For Lekki Building Collapse Remanded Into Police Custory A Magistrate Court in Ebute Meta, Lagos today remanded Richard Nyong and Odofin Taiwo for their role in the Lekki Gardens building collapse in Lagos which killed at least thirty-five people. Read more here http://saharareporters.com/2016/03/11/ceo-and-contractor-responsible-lekki-building-collapse-remanded-police-custory http://saharareporters.com/sites/all/libraries/juicebox/full.html 1 Like |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:42pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: When I see that the number of people standing is almost about quarter of the ones sitting. Then I'll know there's something fishy. 1 Like |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 2:45pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
oyb: Oyb, I built 2 units of detached duplex for a Nairaland in 2012 and the client insisted that they want independent consultants (structural, mechanical and electrical) to double check my work. Each of them had nothing less than 20 years of experience. This is outside the estate project managers and architect who come in at every critical stage of work to check conformity with standard. Why did the do that? To be sure they bought piece of mind. Not to show off. Now we are talking about mass production of multi-floor building projects in a reclaimed land. Then I'll fold my arms. See me as your consultant in this case. Na so I go blame you. The estate is Diamond Estate, Sangotedo which is not a reclaimed land. You can make further enquiries. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 2:38pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
Beulah09: I'm talking about the same truth Ocholi refused to hear. That you bought 2015 model Lexus does not exempt from road accident if you don't do the safety checks? Check tires. Check that the car is not overloaded Put on safety belt Maintain the speed limit Shout on the Overspeeding Professional driver If he no wan hear, stop the journey and take over your ride. Of course, Ocholi has the right to sue Lexus for manslaughter because he paid in full. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 2:23pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
Baba Beulah09, I'm not professional. Pls treat my case differently. I'm just happy the project has not been handed over with live loads increased. Maybe you'll appreciate my way of reasoning much better. As you lay your bed, so you'll lie on it. For the records, the Atlantic City project started before The Horizon. You'll see the difference between projects in there. The subscribers of the Atlantic City can build 10 Lekki gardens at once but they choose to wait until all (including the Great Wall of Lagos) that the promoters promised are in place. So talk to me about Pros using pro and not wisefool using supposed Pros. Pls note, I'm not holding brief for Lekki Gardens. I'm just trying to advice buyers not to be hasty in making decisions. Not all that glitters are gold. Forget the Pro talk. In few days, we will see the names of those who are involved in the collapsed building project. Even though I have a feeling, man know man, person know person approach will be adopted since most of the deaths recorded are foreigners. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 1:51pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
My favourite slogan now edited: Fast and Cheap service on reclaimed land in Nigeria can NEVER be good. Pick your choice! |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 1:38pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
Beulah09: Baba So because I'm digging a hole for myself now I should stop saying the truth. Is that part of the professional code of ethics? I thought pros put their reputation and life on the line to deliver uncompromising service. Typical Naija mentality. I get you! Anyone that isn't right in all that I said above to u can empty them in the Recycle Bin. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 1:28pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
texazzpete: Baba tezzapete, Don't get me wrong. I'm not putting all the blame on the subscriber but I'm telling they have a part to play. And you all know my position on Lekki Gardens and its contractors. Sorry for the loss of your grandad. That's exactly the way things run here. We believe every building with a cross sign is a Church. Any building with stethoscope sign is a hospital. Anybody with a COREN stamp is a Pro! (To the pros in the house, I mean no harm). But here's the truth: There are specialist hospitals who deals on special cases. My baby broke his arm sometimes in January and I took him to a family doctor (what do I know) who later me to another specialist hospital where they treat such case. It was in the midst of this that I realize the man I met is a Pediatrist and the man they referred me to is an Orthopaedist. What didn't I do at that time? I didn't let the anxiety or tension to becloud me to think the doctor is stupid because my believe is that. Hospital is a hospital and doctors are doctors. Misdiagnosis can only happen where there's a misfit. It doesn't matter the NAME of the hospital. No blame. Hope you get my point. Back to Lekki Gardens, what else do subscribers during launch phase of the Horizon that is not already on ground. I'm talking about the hindsight and the information readily available. Lekki Gardens before the launch of The Horizon had more than 5 estates where due diligence can be carried out. The YouTube videos that came up in 2015 is from models that were completed in 2013. But here we are, no one is even mentioning why did Lekki Garden add additional floors in the building? All the presentation drawings on Lekki Gardens website showed only 4 and 5 floor models and not 6 and 7. Why is nobody (especially the subscriber) making noise when more than 20 units of 5 floor building became 20 units of 7 floor building? Even the govt who claimed they issued contravention order, why wasn't the place sealed up immediately and possession take until developer revert to approved construction? At least, synagogue's case is still fresh in our mind. I believe the wise will pick points and others will blame whoever comes to mind. But the truth is we are our own enemy. I'm not a subscriber of any of the Lekki Gardens project nor a contractor. Neither a victim but a concerned citizen of this country. The earlier we start to do things right, the better for us. ______ If my airline with 285 capacity jet chooses to fly 350 people, I'll quickly ask for a refund. |
Properties / Re: Richard Nyong Detained At Panti Over Building Collapse by brabus(m): 12:50pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 10:23am On Mar 11, 2016 |
Beulah09: What's the fact Baba? Is it to buy a land? Get a professional architect? A structural engineer with COREN stamp and seal? Pay their bills? Get a builder? Pay his bill? And go and sit down while awaiting your keys? The major fact is will the license of the architect bring back the dead? Will it bring back the collapsed building? Are we saying Lekki Gardens didn't meet most of this conditions? Even when the Vice Chairman of the highest professional body (NIOB) in Nigeria confirmed his participation in the first 2 units. If the case is Lekki Gardens didn't meet the conditions or use orofessionals, why are we just talking about it now and not before or during the construction period before committing into the project? Well, thanks tor making your points. I tend to see things differently. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 10:05am On Mar 11, 2016 |
I can see your angle. Except that I won't do the following (Pro or no pro): 1. Allow any airline to use me to test run a jumbo aircraft knowing their capacity. As in the case of Lekki gardens switching from condos to MTUs on a reclaimed land. 2. Sit down and assume all is well because I've met my part of the contract by paying up promptly. I still don't see how the money will translate into a good job if their are no check and balances. #common sense. 3. Insurance? I laugh in Swahili. I thank God for those subscribers that they've not occupied the building. Maybe they'll talking insurance in the heavens just as many who turn deaf ear to clear warnings given in the aviation industry. 4. Yea. I agree the subscriber should confirm that the company is registered but there's a lot more than registration. They need to double check. 5. Is there any harm in keeping tab on progresses for quality control and assurances? Maybe because a "Pro" and "Licensed" company is handling the job. We are as good as go to sleep. I believe this mentality led us here in the first place. All government agencies, the subscribers and even you and me, who are now making noise believed Lekki Gardens is licensed and as such do not need to be monitored to cut excesses. My unprofessional view of this issue. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 9:00am On Mar 11, 2016 |
I took me a while to wrap my head around Skimanski's position on the subject. The client must be blamed. I took me some time to understand his Hyundai vs Gwagon analogy. I'm not going to take Hyundai vs Gwagon position. I'll like to compare apples with apple. The interesting thing is that most people (subscriber now) don't take the things we painstakingly do here on this forum serious. Daily updates of activities on construction site is one sure way to curb this type of menace. Not necessarily mean that there won't be issues but it means there are over 100 million people watching over our investment and many times (most people here will agree with me), it works. What you couldn't spot, there are thousand of people who will see them and raise alarm. Why is it different with Lekki Gardens. Why the hell on earth will someone gamble with N25m without any form of protection or accountability. Not even updates. I'm just talking sense now. Not the pro bullshit. Because if it is about pros, Lekki gardens have all it takes to get the best and deliver the best. 100% upfront payment from trusting clients can guarantee them that. Now, talking Hyundai vs Hyundai. I've never seen anyone in the middle class who just wen to buy a car without conducting a DD on the model he likes. Maybe some people will do so because they believed everything that the automaker promised them. Me think different. I want to read consumer complaints, the recall rate, the common problems. I want to read everything and anything about the particular model before committing my money. I want to go for a test drive. Not because I don't trust the automaker but because I have my interest to protect. Now, let's talk Pro!!!!! Before you talk pro, did the consumers use a pro to conduct a silent investigation of the company, their records and capacity to deliver such project. The Lekki garden I knew do well in delivering terraces and condos, and not MTUs. This is where the subscribers got it all wrong. I rest here. Contrary view will be highly appreciated. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 8:17am On Mar 11, 2016 |
On point now, anyone who has a contrary view can take me up on this. In Nigeria, people generally have two options when it comes to home ownership. One is to build a house from the scratch and the other is to purchase a house built by someone else. While home ownership is said to be the prayer of every working class, it is not the right option for everyone. There is no correct or incorrect choice when it comes to taking decision of whether to build or buy a home. Because both come with its attending issues and challenges. I'll dwell more on Buying a house since it's more related to the ongoing discussion. Buying a house (not built by you) is an enormous investment for most people and it is very important that people do not rush into a hasty decision. Instead, they need to make a well thought out decision based on their personal circumstances, safety and investment return. Now, is it safe to say that the subscribers of Lekki Gardens did not make a well thought out decision? They bought because everyone is buying or because of empty promises on paper. I'm coming back. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 8:00am On Mar 11, 2016 |
In Nigeria, it's very common to chase the people who took bribe while neglecting the people who gave the bribes. If we don't patronize evil, we will maintain a saner and safer environment. So the giver of the bribe is culpable as the recipient. I'm not on the main point yet o! |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:53am On Mar 11, 2016 |
Oga Beulah09, I beg to disagree with reasons on your last comment but I never get energy this morning. I'll give you my position shortly. Good morning. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:24am On Mar 11, 2016 |
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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 1:33am On Mar 11, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: I copy that my General. Everybody (the journalists, the subscribers, and those by the sideline) are in a propaganda bubble. Even the world’s greatest newspaper wants us to know. Now, I agree we should blame the clients. Didn't they do their DD based on completed rollouts? Or the catch is a too-good-to-be-true mouthwatering offer which hypnotizes even a snake charmer? Ignorance is no excuze in law. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 1:05am On Mar 11, 2016 |
true2home: It's called scheming. 21st Century Advanced Slavery coming in form of installmental payment. in Late Fela's voice Zombie o, zombie! Most of the subscribers are people that I referred to as "wise fools" - a book smart person who is street st.upid. They are aware of the possible implications of their actions yet still act contrary to their belief. 1 Like |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 12:43am On Mar 11, 2016 |
Oga Excuzeme, No Comment. You and I knew what I was trying to say there. No happy hour today so there's no bottle to break. I'm not just in the mood. The current administration palava is mind-boggling. No light, no fuel, no water, no money, queue everywhere, bad news every minute... Time to reflect on things that matters. How this is going to affect the economy and investments? |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:46pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Lekki Gardens: The Good Side of A Bad Business. Are there any positives? Initially I had intended creating a thread titled “10 Sins of Lekki Gardens” but decided that I should switch topic and consider the positives of this real estate firm. Note: This piece like most of my write ups will only give a flavor and is not conclusively resourced. But that’s OK. It’s just a piece of carrot and hopefully just enough for people (even doubting thomases and bedmates) to do their own research on these controversial areas. Here are the positives: 1. They never wanted to kill anybody 2. They have a very good vision to roll with. Within a very short space of time, we saw a company bring about tremendous change in rapid urbanization, demographic growth and an expanding middle-class. I knew what Sangotedo looks like in the last decade. 3. They brought about a change in the real estate market by changing the style of the game. Investable real estate in Nigeria have doubled compared to the figures we have in 2007. They deserves some credits for this. 4. Lagos state witnessed an unprecedented growth in real estates between 2011 and 2015, thus making it attractive to investors. Lekki Gardens played a key role in this through rapid urbanization. 5. For the first time, a developer brought about a paradigm shift from luxury Lekki (which only the rich can afford) towards affordable Lekki housing projects leading to higher absorption levels. That's a big plus for them. 6. Lagos is the highest employer of labour in Nigeria with over 120,000 construction workers (skilled, semi-skilled and unskilled) working on various projects. Lekki gardens had a fair share of this figure. 7. They made some regrettable mistakes which their arch rivals are using to attack them now. But I realized that even the Donald Trumps of this world too failed at some point. Went bankrupt. But staged a BIG comeback. We hope Lekki Gardens can stage a big comeback with more positives. RIP to the dead. More to come. 2 Likes
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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 6:06pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Is it happy hour already? cc: EgunMogaji |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:59pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
back2sender: You got me there. There were 4 estates where the accident occurred and I went with the police to meet the CSO of one of the estate where I happened to have worked before to explain the incident and my plan to fix the damages. Luckily for me, one of the engineers who worked on the infrastructure drove by and wanted to take pics of the truck and I asked him if there's any reason for doing so because I'm the owner of the truck. He explained himself and we exchange cards. The stuff has been fixed now. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:46pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
44chux: Of course, you know the drills. The question was asked after exchange of favors. When I got to the site, they don't know who I am. They were playing Jack Bauer. "Where's the driver of this truck?" "Inspector! Call office" When I greeted them and introduce myself, na him the story change. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:07pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: For where? My truck damaged a public utility sometimes ago and I was called to the accident scene. When I met the police who were the first to get to the scene, they were like "Are you not going to move this thing now before people see you?" Imagine that coming from the protector of public interest. The same thing applies to all other agencies. 1 Like |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 4:00pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
@ Adanny01, what's the lesson learned? I'm sure you know that the professional bodies in Nigeria have failed its members on numerous occasions. What can be done to prevent this? This is one of the change we are clamouring for. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:52pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
I'm learning what they won't teach you in schools here. Ride on Sir Beulah09. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:07pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
oyb: Oga, it's not yet happy hour o. I'm just telling you that you've corroborated my position on the matter as per who to be blamed. Thanks. I'm just pulling your trouser |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 3:05pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
mavverick: This is Lagos! Person know person especially if you're a member of the Island Club like the Oga above. I agree Omo Ibo will swim without prejudice. You don't want to know the stakeholders. So I see the police putting the contractors' music on the replay. He's the only one culpable here. And smartly enough, Lekki Gardens do not get involved in material supplies. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 2:40pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
mavverick: I think Maverrick is right on this. I spoke with a retired public servant (high profile) this morning and he told me Lekki Gardens can swim the murky water by piping low for now and offering 200k per person ( ) to their embassy here in Naija and that's it. The person in question is an authority in things like this. So, i believe him. Has anything happened to SCOAN with the number of SA nationals lost in the collapse? No! So if a kangaroo committee is setup, we know what to expect. Beulah09: However, if men of integrity. People who can be bold to say it as it is, like this man who choose to ignore me, constitute the investigative panel. Then, Lekki Gardens is in for a serious trouble. 1 Like |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 2:32pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
abdulwastecx: Forget those titles. If you want, I fit dash you for free. Get there on time o. The world is waiting for you. If I give you the CV of those behind Circle Mall Lekki, you'll know where you ought to be. I just gbadun your style. 2 Likes |
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