budaatum: Not exactly. I am not telling "Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria". In fact, I'm not telling anyone to do for Nigeria, though I recognise that's been your argument and where you've taken our conversation.
If you go back to my very first post in this thread you will see I was specifically telling the individual what was good for himself. I'll post it below to remind you.
Nigeria is far too big a country for any one individual to make it better, but everyone making their own portion of it better by investing in their own learning and education will make the nation better one day.
Just our conversation here has contributed to that betterness, I reckon. You might not have learnt something, but there's others who might have.
So you are telling the guy what is good for him even when he is telling you that it is not good for him, why not come back to Nigeria and prove to him that it is good for him, come and put your words into action, prove to us that all what you are saying is true, come to Nigeria COME and show us...
You have been blaming Nigerians since the beginning of your conversation for even bad leadership and telling people to take responsibility with various suggestions...
This is your comment;
but everyone making their own portion of it better by investing in their own learning and education will make the nation better one day.
Why don't you come to Nigeria by taking your own portion? Start showing us the change your own portion is making based on your suggestion since it is your idea, come to Nigeria and start first since you claim that is the solution to Nigeria's problem...
Come to Nigeria and take your own portion and prove to us that your solution works then we will follow, you can't be telling us to do what you have not done or planning to do yet from another man's country, come to Nigeria come and show us that it works here by yourself first.
If you can't then you are a coward, a deceit, a fraud, a hypocrite....
Prove to us that what you are telling us to do is what you have and it worked rather than telling people to do what you have not even done if not you are a fraud, a deceit, a hypocrite.
Sowore travels all the way from the U.S when he calls for protest, he puts his word into action, he won't call people for protest that he won't be at the forefront.
I am not asking you for protest, just come to Nigeria and do everything you are telling Nigerians to do and be at the forefront of it in your own portion as you claimed or you remain a fraud, a deceit and hypocrite....
budaatum: I left to educate myself because I love myself more, and because I am not the messiah of Nigeria and felt no need to save you since you the proles would just end up yelling crucify buda. There's far too many people who reason like you do, who don't see reason for accepting responsibility for the current situation of our nation, and opposing your sort of view mostly receives the sort of response you've been giving me here.
Take your example of "violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo" for instance. You make it sound like Martians arrived from outerspace to cause violence in Ododo, and can't seem to see that it is people of Ododo causing violence in their own community.
I am spearheading what I can by educating you here, but I am fully aware that some seeds will fall by the roadside and wither in the sun while a few will see reason in the sown seeds and learn to pick up their own cross and bear it.
budaatum: Probably why I am responsible and not so powerless, and why I am telling you what nations that run successful democracies have had to do since they too faced the difficulties Nigeria currently faces.
We've only been democratic for 24 or so years and have quite a lot to learn.
Please don't get me provoked, I've been wondering why your comments were so out of touch with realities about Nigeria, please don't just get me provoked, any suggestion you give that you yourself will not come down to Nigeria to spearhead yourself will not be taken seriously, please don't just get me provoked, I'm actually controlling the words I am using on you now....
budaatum: The violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force by voters against voters who wouldn't vote for Ododo.
And if the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo, number 1 was not number 1. In fact, what the heck were number 2 and 3 doing if what you claim were true?
Regardless, and assuming your claims are true, Who would I be in such cases? The person who lost the election or the person who's one vote was robbed?
If the former, I would simply be more diligent next time in organising my party so we are not so easily robbed, and I will try to get more people to vote for me and ensure their vote is counted for me, and I will ask my electoral agents to be more vigilant and collect evidence of any infringements, and I will hire good lawyers to argue my case in court too.
And if I am the person who's one vote was robbed, I'd organise all those like me who were robbed to be more vigilant next time and try to be electoral officers who'd ensure our votes are not stolen.
I would not be the only one who will suffer if the elections in my constituency are not credible abd reliable, so hopefully we'd all fight to ensure they are or we'd all suffer the consequences if it isn't.
budaatum: Why let the governor sit in the first place? Were you sleeping when you were electing him to sit?
And what evidence do you have that the INEC chairman was ready to announce the result for him? Would you also claim the judge in the court you take the evidence to is working for the sitting governor too, and the one in the appeal court?
Sorry, but I'm not buying the level of ignorance and stupidity you are here suggesting people have.
One thing I do know happens a lot in Nigeria is many people are convinced their vote doesn't count and the winner is a rigger. The consequence of such a belief is the people do not bother to go and vote, while the sitting governor makes sure his people vote and he wins the election while the loser yells rigged and cooks up the narrative you cooked up above.
Regardless, diligence on your part would ensure rigging doesn't happen or happens less, instead of what you are doing here which is the equivalent of not protecting your stuff then blaming the competent thief for stealing from you.
So the violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force against voters or the case where the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo?
What would you do in such cases? THIS ARE 1ST TIME GOVERNORS...
budaatum: I did mention we are bad governors of ourselves. That includes ensuring riggers don't rig themselves into power over us. And if some are rigging themselves into power overs us, then its our fault for being insufficiently diligent and irresponsible.
Hopefully we'd learn to be diligent and responsible instead of hoping riggers suddenly get godly unrigging hearts. Its after all we who would be wailing due to our irresponsibility and indiligence, while the riggers go on to loot the treasury for their own selfish benefit.
So how do you stop a sitting governor who is writing the election result inside the government house with the INEC chairman ready to announce the result for him ?
budaatum: What? A leader rigs himself into power where we the citizens are not stupid and sleeping?
Sorry, but I don't see how that happens.
But if we the citizens are so stupid and sleeping and irresponsible that some individuals can now come from Mars and rig themselves into power over us, then we most definitely deserve what ever rubbish we are served by them and I hope it is very painful so we weep tears of blood. For that pain is what will make us wake up and not be stupid and irresponsible next time or until we learn to protect our democracy so no one can come and rig themselves into power over us.
Incidentally, the time when some "leader rigs himself into power" over us was when the British rigged themselves into power over us, or perhaps when military ruled. If we can't count the votes we cast under democracy so the rightful person leads, we are the irresponsible ones that rigged and allowed our democracy to be rigged, and we better wake up quick time so we don't end up as slaves to martians from outer space!
Many leaders in Nigeria have rigged themselves into power, for example the former SSG to Amaechi said they were writing results from their houses, if he didbt say it who would know? so what if that is what most of the leaders have been doing?
so how would you know or want the citizens to know who rigged and who didn't trig?
budaatum: In a democracy, the citizens are the government, and are responsible for everything happening to themselves.
If we the citizens do not like what is happening to ourselves, we thankfully have an opportunity every 4 years to vote for a government that will make something better to happen to ourselves, if we are wise at least, and responsible citizens, and don't just stupidly vote for ọmọ wa ni emilokan.
But if they, or rather, we the people, choose to be stupid, then we will lay on the crooked hurtful bed we did not make how we'd have preferred we made it.
budaatum: Everything for myself includes governing and government, Brendaniel.
As I said, government is not some people we bring from Mars to govern us, but are people elected by ourselves from amongst ourselves.
Think of the government of Nigeria as me buda and you Brendaniel all the other citizens of Nigeria from amongst who some are elected by us all to hold office. It might make you understand that buda and Brendaniel and all the other citizens of Nigeria are responsible for our governance or misgovernance and inflation and the kidnapping of ourselves by ourselves.
So what then is the responsibility of the government if the citizens are responsible for everything happening to themselves?
budaatum: My preparation does not start when I am "encountering a kidnap situation". It starts so I don't encounter a kidnap situation at all in the first place.
I have not been kidnapped and neither have you, so we have either protected ourselves or have not been worth kidnapping, which is as good as, don't you think?
So you think the people who got kidnapped prepared to get kidnapped?
budaatum: I can not tell you about some other man, Brendaniel.
It is my responsibility to protect myself from kidnappers Or better still, and to be more accurate, I take responsibility for protecting myself from kidnappers.
No one cares about me more than I care for myself such that they will protect me from kidnappers. And I am far too responsible for my self than to leave my protection from kidnappers to others.
And still you could not tell me how you would protect yourself from a kidnapper?
And you want me to believe that you prepared to protect yourself?
budaatum: I am saying, we the people who are the citizens, elected the governments that imposed the decisions and the policies that caused the rise and fall and changes in the chart.
And I am saying, if we don't like the decisions and policies that caused the rises and falls in the chart that the governments that we the people elected have imposed on us, we should chose better next time instead of making out the rises and falls in the chart has nothing to do with us the people who elected the governments from amongst ourselves.
Sorry, but I do not rely on "your president to fix the nation" for me.
I get off my ass and fix the portion of the nation that concerns me myself instead of waiting for some president messiah who likely hasn't got a clue to fix my lot for me.
Read you comment again up there, going by what you said there, why do you need a government or even election if you are willing to do everything for yourself, what do you need the government for in your life?
If you don't need the government to fix anything for you why are you bothered about elections or the type of leaders that get elected?
budaatum: Have you encountered a kidnapper before?
Do you think it wise to wait until you "encounter a kidnap situation" before you do what you currently do to stop the kidnappers from kidnapping you?
Sorry, but since I wouldn't be kidnapping anyone, I sincerely doubt I'd be in a position to be telling a "man who is encountering a kidnap situation" what to do.
In fact, I think being in such a situation to be telling a "man who is encountering a kidnap situation" what to do would be rather stupid because I would be placing myself in the same situation where I would be encountering kidnappers myself, which I doubt would be a smart thing to do.
So who's responsibility is it to protect the man in such a situation?
budaatum: You are very welcome to believe the above.
Personally, I look at the results of our self governance and feel we are not very good at it, and hope we take responsibility and learn, or rather, educate ourselves to govern ourselves better so we are not here moaning that a 3.6m Lexus ES 330 2006 is now 9m.
In some countries, wear and tear would have reduced the price of that 3.6m Lexus ES 330 2006 by half.
That's because of people like you who will not call a spade a spade..
I mean just look at the country and look at the praise singers of the present government, are they calling a spade a spade? that's because they are just like you...
One was even prasing you here for your comment, that's because you are reasoning and talking like them, that's why the country is where it is...
That's why you believe you guys suck at governance not we who call a spade a spade, we don't believe that...
How can good governance come out of people who don't address issues as it should?
The evidence is very clear, the more you guys keep reasoning and talking like this then expect rubbish governance because the people in government will believe that they are doing right....
When people like you cannot call a spade a spade...
budaatum: Same way I've stopped another man from kidnapping me in present day Nigeria, and the same way you've stopped another man from kidnapping you in Nigeria.
I of course assume another man has not kidnapped you in Nigeria, so correct me if I am wrong. If not, whatever we've been doing seems to have worked so far.
That's because you have not encountered a kidnapper before....
What would you tell a man who is encountering a kidnap situation to do to stop the kidnappers from kidnappings him?
budaatum: Point is, Nigeria's inflation has been abnormally far too high. America hit post 5% and they are wailing like its 50.
As for defending a government, please do not make me laugh. Nigeria has not had a government in my lifetime that I could defend, and I am going back to very close to pre Gowon here.
If you asked me, we suck at governing ourselves. My hope is the trial and error and opportunity to try again that democracy provides will eventually ensure we learn. And my projected date for that, trend considered, is 3024.
We don't suck at governing ourselves, it is people like you who would not call a spade a spade and be truthful with issues in Nigeria that are part of the problem.
You can see the chart that you posted, are you trying to say it was the citizens that were causing the rise and fall in that chart?
That it was not the decisions and policies from the government that was causing the changes in the chart?
budaatum: Nope. I am not saying a person with 3.6m is lazy, since lazy people don't often have 3.6m. And I have not said anything here about "people who were kidnapped while traveling" or "the farmers who were killed or kidnapped".
In fact, I am saying government is me (we) the people, since our government is not elected from planet Mars. And if you asked me, I'd even say the bandits is also me the people, since they too are not from Mars but are amongst us the people.
So, yes, the responsibility does lie with me and we the people to not be lazy, and not kidnap and kill, and instead govern ourselves in ways that would exclude such things.
We are after all responsible for the leaders we elect and the policies they impose on us that results in us being governed well or badly, no?
Perhaps we should open our eyes better so we see next time instead of wailing at our bad choice.
So how do you stop another man from kidnapping you in present day Nigeria?
budaatum: The government is not the cause of inflation, but I'm certain you will disagree.
Nigeria has constantly had double digit inflation, and its cause is productivity not keeping up with consumption. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't even be talking about buying a Lexus ES 330 2006, but would instead be talking about buying a Made in Nigeria 2024 car that its Nigerian makers got paid an inflation busting wage to make. Instead, we are taking our low wage to buy what is thrown away by others.
But I'm not blaming the buyer. I even commended the buyer for being in a position of owning a car he bought for 3.6m that is now worth 9m, which makes him a savvy investor if he sells.
Please stop with the lies, Nigeria has not constantly had double digit inflation, since about 2003 Nigeria had single digit inflation till Buhari's regime, so you are talking totally out of point here...
Defending the government doesn't mean you should tell lies for the government to look innocent. For the stats to be going up and down with change of governments in power then it clearly shows that the government is responsible for inflation or are you trying to say the people where just changing the rate of inflation by themselves?
Does it even make sense to you?
So please stop with this nonsense analysis of yours....
budaatum: Sorry, but I do not rely on "your president to fix the nation" for me.
I get off my ass and fix the portion of the nation that concerns me myself instead of waiting for some president messiah who likely hasn't got a clue to fix my lot for me.
So are you saying the person who saved up 3.6m to buy a vehicle that is now 9m was lazy or the people who were kidnapped while traveling were lazy or the farmers who were killed or kidnapped while farming were lazy?
Since you claim the responsibility lies on you to provide everything for yourself and not wait for the government does that also include guns to fight bandits?
budaatum: You shouldn't really save up to buy an education, nor land for that matter, if you have any sense.
You buy the education in small increments as soon as you have a little. And the increment in knowledge you bought should improve your income so you can more easily buy the next level.
And the land can be bought with a fixed interest loan so its cost to you does not increase with time. You might even find you are still paying off a 3.6m loan while the land you bought is now 9m.
If all these options yoy mentioned were there for the vehicle buyer, don't you think he would have taken then.
What if the options you mentioned are not there for the land and the education just like the vehicle buyer?
budaatum: You'd own the land which will continue to appreciate, and the education you bought which will unfix your salary so it rises above inflation.
You are after all unlikely to settle for the same salary you earned before you bought yourself an education, considering the improvement in your brain use acquired from the education you bought. Or are you?
The land and the education are assets, note, while the Lexus ES 330 2006 is more like something you consume and that will depreciate.
It's like you do not understand me, if the worker is saving to buy the land worth 3.6m or get an education the same inflation would have made it 9m naira before he will be able to buy the land or get the education...
With Nigerian inflation running for decades at over 10%, I'd think only senseless people would hope to save up for a Lexus ES 330 2006. Because the more you run after a Lexus ES 330 2006 with your fixed salary, the further away the constant moving price of a Lexus ES 330 2006 will move away from you, as will the cost of maintaining it.
Not wise, I'd think, to buy a Lexus ES 330 2006, when even the maintenance cost is not fixed. The wise would rather buy land and build a house to save on constantly growing rent, or invest it in educating oneself so one's salary is not fixed.
But the land and even the education will also be going up with the same inflation of the Lexus ES 330?
budaatum: Meaning, if you sell it today you'd make profit of 5.4m minus depreciation, which sounds good to me unless you are a consumer and not an investor.
Imagine if you were one if those who bought 10 Lexus ES 330 2006 in January last year. You now be sitting on a cool 54m profit and would be praising agbado.
What of those that were saving to get 3.6 million to buy the same vehicle from their fixed salary only to get to the market and they hear it is now 9m?
Jagabanarmy: Probably, they supported his presidential ambition in kind because I don't know why they are still there causing distortion in that sector
Well, let me just tell you, he is doing a very good job for Tinubu at the NNPC...
Have you ever wondered why Buhari carried Emefiele over from GEJ's appointment and still reappointed him for another 5 years making Emefiele one of the longest serving CBN governors in the history of Nigeria serving almost 10 years, you want to know why?
He was doing a very good job for Buhari...
Well same thing is playing out here with Kyari, so I'm wondering why you guys are surprised, you guys are so funny, how you guys see Tinubu is one of the things that makes me laugh at you guys....
You guys feel so close to him yet don't really know him
You can't keep watching on while lazy heads keeping doing their best to rubbish your administration
You are still asking
Well, let me just tell you, he is doing a very good job for Tinubu at the NNPC...
Have you ever wondered why Buhari carried Emefiele over from GEJ's appointment and still reappointed him for another 5 years making Emefiele one of the longest serving CBN governors in the history of Nigeria serving almost 10 years, you want to know why?
He was doing a very good job for Buhari...
Well same thing is playing out here with Kyari, so I'm wondering why you guys are surprised, you guys are so funny, how you guys see Tinubu is one of the things that makes me laugh at you guys....
You guys feel so close to him yet don't really know him
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